Reverse Racism

18 08 2008

America was founded on divisions of race. It can be argued that the story of the country became largely white vs. red after the French and Indian War. After the Revolution and over time as frontiers turned into settled country, those established parts of the country – particularly in the south – were focused on white vs. black. Then the ‘immigrants’ came in. Whitey was constantly defending himself from the onslaught of various minorities (in the words of the immortal Dave Chappelle – “niggers, jews, a-rabs, homosexuals, mexicans, and all them different kinds of chinks…”) attempting to stake a claim in the American dream.

Figure 1: Let’s face it. This is all they were really scared of.

While white people have enjoyed and even relished in the role of Oppressor for the past few centuries, two phenomena are beginning to take its place. One is the ever recognizable white guilt, which spawns everything from white women who are willing only to date black men, to the pre-2008 Clintons, to Wiggers. There is, however, a growing community of white people who are fed up with white guilt but stop well short of being white supremacists (who have never subscribed to white guilt). The most interesting thing about this group is that a growing number of non-whites, particularly asians, are joining their ranks.

This is the community of people who attempt to negate the cascading effects of hundreds of years of slavery and institutionalized racism by trying to convince black people (and everyone else) that they also face ‘discrimination’ and have a similar history of oppression. This is why it’s so popular these days for white people to claim Irish ancestry – the Irish are perhaps the only group of white people in America that were ever systematically stigmatized by the dominant society. I refer to these people as Mark 2’s, which is what I’d assume U.S. Marines would call idiots running around yelling “ME TOO!” when other people discuss racism.

The typical Mark 2 will usually cite some trite instance where black (or white) people made them uncomfortable and compare that to the lingering effects of several centuries of slavery, Jim Crow, gentrification, modern day institutionalized racism, and semi-conscious stigmatization that black people have to deal with EVERY SINGLE MOTHERFUCKING DAY OF THEIR LIVES. For the visual learner:

Figure 2: Inside the mind of the Mark 2

Yes, white people will point out the time when they walked onto a nearly all-black basketball court and got funny looks from people, and actually think that’s comparable to, say, black unemployment being fueled by deliberate strangulation of public transportation (which poor people need to get to interviews and to work) funding in poor black neighborhoods. Asian people will reflect on a time when a white dude made slanty eyes and yelled “ME SO SOLLY!” and thinks that’s just as damaging as the Superpredator stereotype. Fucking awesome.

The next Indian (red dot, not feather) asshole to approach me and say “shut the fuck up – black people aren’t the only people that get discriminated against in this country” is going to watch in horror as I make a peace pipe (feather, not red dot) out of his trachea. I wonder what a rape victim thinks when some chick who got her ass pinched by a lecherous boss walks up to her and says “You know, you’re not the only one that’s had a guy force himself on you.”

I need a fucking therapist.

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567 responses

18 08 2008
sarah

first?

18 08 2008
Jay_Everyday

Too true. I can’t stand the term reverse racism myself. First off, reverse means to go against. So reverse racism is not racism at all. It’s like a double negative. People have a stupid ass need to “sympathize” and keep up with the jonses and thats where reverse racism came about (at least in my mind). Some black dude complained about how the white man kept him down and the one upping white man decided he could one up him and said “Oh yeah? A black guy stole a parking spot at the front of the JC Penneys and I had to go ALL the way to the next aisle to park.”

18 08 2008
Knatural

I HATE – aitch, a, tee, e – HATE the term ‘Reverse Racism”. Racism is racism. Full stop.
I Hate when Whites try to equate societies treatment of ‘their people’ to the treatment of Blacks. Dude, you’re White. You can blend in.

18 08 2008

I am having a bad day so far and my weekend was worse. I know this will post will make me laugh…I am counting on you chris!

18 08 2008
TheChad

i dig it…

whenever i do something and exclude a white person… i like it when they ask “is it because i’m white?”…. i say “yeah” and keep going…

it just doesn’t make sense! how can you be discriminated against when you’re the majority property owner… that’s like saying the roaches discriminate on you because they make you scared to turn on lights in your own house… white people man the f*ck up!

Chris, lemme get the number to your therapist…

18 08 2008
sarah

i think thats his point, Jay. his statement shut the fuck up – black people aren’t the only people that get discriminated against in this country sums it up, how reverse racism lessens the effect of actual racism by “empathy”.

18 08 2008
Amadeo

People also tend to forget what helped the Irish ease into society…the fact that people could focus on hating blacks…especially since people were getting pulled into the civil war and blaming blacks. I always hate when people talk about race cards for the same reason. Yes a black person can pull the race card…but we’ve had it (and still do have it) thrown in our face for hundreds of years.

When people complain about reverse racism I use the legal term…suck my dick.

18 08 2008
Vanita

Hahaha! Homosexuals and Jews are guilty of this also. I dont doubt they’ve been through alot, but its wrong to equate social and racial struggles in the county. “my people’s struggle was worse than yours” – Not cool.

18 08 2008
Vanita

But the irish were worse off than black people AT ONE POINT. Signs advertising for jobs used to state NO IRISH WANTED, blacks ok. It was bad to be black, but it was WORSE to be irish. So I guess they found comfort in each other. Most black people I’ve met with freckles and red head have sometime of irish decent.

18 08 2008
Amadeo

@ Vanita

That reminds me of the movie P.C.U. where all the P.C. groups are in line for a party and arguing about who’s been oppressed more and why they should be at the front of the line to get in.

18 08 2008
Anesidora

My phrase for this is “Please stop trying to connect.” It seriously causes a visceral reaction in me when non-blacks do this. Just stay quiet and keep in moving, and nobody will get hurt.

18 08 2008
gabrieloneverything

“When people complain about reverse racism I use the legal term…suck my dick.”

LMAO. You should just quit your job and become a motivational power speaker or something. Hilarious.

18 08 2008
puff

dying at figure 2….. bwahahahaahahahhahahahaahaha.

i hate when “the oppressed” start to compete over who has it the worst – that’s just giving les blancs more opportunity to get one over us and point and laugh. and there is nothing i hate more than white people pointing and laughing anywhere in my vicinity. obnoxious motherfuckers…

imho, the peoples on the earth who’ve had it the absolute worst are native americans and aborigines.

18 08 2008
puff

@ vanita – some with scottish blood like my relatives have the freckles and red hair. i dunno, i always assume the redheads are picts originally or something, probably because of the janitor from the simpsons.

18 08 2008
JD

Classic. Gotta bookmark this one.

18 08 2008

I hate you. I love the “Mark 2”. Consider that borrowed!

18 08 2008
blackberry molasses

I had an example of this at a gathering last night. It was women of mixed racial makeup and somehow we got on the topic of discussing the real causes of the Civil War (i think it had something to do with a woman asking me if Ghana was close to Darfur… not even going to TOUCH that one).

Someone said something to the effect of ‘well there are so many groups that have suffered in this country, and i know that Black people had it hard but so did…” or some B.S.

I forced myself to give her a pass because she was about 15, but my friend, my mother and my mother’s friend all gave eachother the collective side eye, and I had to pass my girl ‘the signal’ to keep her mouth shut… cuz a sista was about to go OFF!!

18 08 2008
Quiet Storm

“Homosexuals and Jews are guilty of this also.” -Vanita

So true. I seeing a big protest the gays were having on the news that was happening in San Fran (when arent they having one?). This one b!@#$-ass chi-chi had the nerve to compare their “struggle” with that of blacks. W.T.F I was sooo shocked. I was yelling at the TV at him/her (couldnt figure it out) like they could here me.

18 08 2008
Cheekie

“i hate when “the oppressed” start to compete over who has it the worst”

Co-fucking-sign to the umpteenth power. I’ve NEVER liked that argument and it really hit full blast during the Academy awards when Crash won Best Picture over Brokeback Mountain. To many, that meant racial relations are all good while sexuality relations still need work. Wrong, mofos. They BOTH need work and a golden ass statuette ain’t gonna solve shit.

These petty arguments about “who has it worse” infuriates me to no end because it takes away the attention from the real problem.

18 08 2008
Quiet Storm

Forgive the misspellings. I hate Mondays.

18 08 2008
Sister Toldja

When I first saw the title of the post and that picture, I had a bad feeling this post was gonna be about Black people like me who call White people cave bitches and complain about their bologna smell. Forgive me for forgetting who I was talking to!

White feminists are often guilty of the same thing, which is part of the reason why Black women have been so loath to even UNDERSTAND feminism, beyond the reactionary brand we have in our community because we have to do so much with no assistance from our men. FAIL.

18 08 2008
LeNoir

my favorite was in high school when everyone was applying to collges. This white guy goes to me and my black female friends “you guys are black and females, do you know how lucky you are. You guys have such a better chance of getting into college.” I assume he was speaking of affirmitive action. Then of course the other white kids in class had to join in and attack us on why black people have it so good. There was one girl who alwyas felt the need to tell me that if she attacked me physically or verbally it would be a hate crime. I thought this was simply a display of HS ignorance. No; its in collge too. One time I was in the library, this group of white guys was looking at an article about how the university was trying to recriut more minority professors, This fool seriously had the balls to say that whites were now i the minority…….
Mind you its a predominantly white school. I think its that sense of white privalage that they dont even understand is engrained in them. Any time they are not ruling over people or they feel their right to EVERYTHING is challeged they cry foul. Why do you think WHITE people get more angry about the N-word than anyone? They can’t use it so, they don’t want anyone to. It makes them feel isolated and unwelcome and reminds them of the racist history that they created. The sad part is they don’t even realize it.

18 08 2008
gabrieloneverything

Crash and Brokeback Mt. were just movies so that hollywood could pretend like they were leading the wave of new progressive thought…give me an effing break. They’re all coke addicts and liars.

18 08 2008
TheChad

in the defense of white people… (am i allowed to do that?)…
or perhaps just to play devil’s advocate…

it follows the same logic of a sick person telling you about her common cold and then you say “so what bitch i got cancer!”….

it’s like she knows it’s not nearly as bad… but then again… she still got a muthafuckin cold and your cancer ain’t helping…

perspective is good for… well, perspective…. it still don’t cure shit.

18 08 2008
Ms. Sula

“i hate when “the oppressed” start to compete over who has it the worst”

That’s the most powerful side effect of white supremacy/oppression… Convince the “oppressed” that they need to compete for our crumbs…

What’s sad-der is that it even happens within the “black” community.

Effin’ 2520s…

18 08 2008
Cheekie

“Homosexuals and Jews are guilty of this also.”

That reminds me of this one incident where this Jew approached a Black-owned book stand shoving this anti-Semitic book in the seller’s face and chastizing him for selling it. Saying he shouldn’t be selling lies. I don’t see this mofo charging up to Borders or Barnes and Noble screaming that shit. Know why? Because they can sell what the hell they want, regardless of their personal views on the subject. It’s a business…and this particular man was no different, just smaller…and Black.

WHY OH WHY do oppressed groups insist picking on each other when there are plenty of “The Man” running around just asking for a hit upside the head?

18 08 2008
Esquire

wonder what a rape victim thinks when some chick who got her ass pinched by a lecherous boss walks up to her and says “You know, you’re not the only one that’s had a guy force himself on you.”

Your wisdom….astounds me. Right on brotha.

18 08 2008
Ms. Sula

@TheChad… To some degree, I understand what you are trying to say…

But the question is this: what exactly are we trying to solve by listing our ailments? Like seriously? Do you want me to commiserate on you having a cold?

I can’t because you can just pop a Tylenol Sinus&Cold, turn in early a couple of nights, drink some goddamn reinforced orange juice and call it a day.
Me with my cancer? I got 95% of chance of extreme body discomfort including vomiting and the likes, losing all my lustrous hair, possibly lose a part of my body and at least 50% of chance of not making it through.

So yeah, excuse me if I don’t give a rat’s ass about your cold…. That is unless I am your doctor or therapist, or in any other way paid for listening to your stupid rant.

It’s Monday, and I am hungry. Forgive me. 🙂

18 08 2008
blackberry molasses

I think this phenomenon goes back to white forgetfulness/delusionality… if some fraction of the whole that was marginalized claim that their plight is similar to that of black people, they can conveneiently disown the fact that while their direct culpability doesn’t exist, they continue to benefit off of it… we’re still struggling to catch up to their 500 year head start… on BOTH sides of the Atlantic

they especially like to throw the whole “but look at how many successful black people there are now… you all have come such a long way (with our benevolent white help, of course).” FUCK THAT SHIT

“Don’t hate me/my folks is poor, I JUST got money/America’s five centuries deep in cotton money.”

18 08 2008
Jen

I don’t even think I can comment on this subject it pisses me off so much.

The shortsightedness of people who relate to this RR shit is the number one reason I avoid interracial dating.

I have been dealing with this shit since I was a little girl.

18 08 2008
Esquire

Vanita…

One thing I have to say to on your comment is this…Jews (back in the day) were treated almost as bad as blacks. But you are right…NOT NEAR AS BAD.

And being in the south…I know some racist men who would rather hire a black man than a “faggot” They catch down here really bad. (sigh) Our society.

18 08 2008
Dekela

Reverse Racism is the perfect tool by the 2520’s to make it seem that life is so great for the oppressed, because we use it as a way to better ourselves

Affirmative Action (which seems to benefit White women more than blacks)
EEO work policies and quotas
Mandated percentage soliciting of Minority owned business for projects
Affordable Housing (I’ve seen more Jews w/ Section 8 in BK than anyone else)

What they fail to realize is THEY ARE THE MAJORITY AND SET THE RULES (for all aformentioned programs)

How in the hell are you oppressed then? ::smmfh::

18 08 2008
Jen

Also, the Irish have never been worse off in this country than Black people. When I read Vanita’s comment, I assumed it was a joke. But, in case it wasn’t, that just needs to be said.

18 08 2008
Esquire

Was I the only one who hated Crash? All my white friends wanted to have the “I feel your pain” talk after paying 10 bucks to see that piece of crap.

That movie…did not EVEN portray the half of anything done to various minorities/gays. It was a real POS movie to me.

BTW Who was that asian actor…he is the only asian man in the universe who could get it from me.

18 08 2008
Esquire

Jen, I thought it was a joke too. (lets hope) The only people arguably worse off than blacks in this country are the native americans.

At least with black people, some whites recognize the unfairness. They will never admit robbing Indians and giving them some casinos and an Atlanta Braves t-shirt to make up for it.

18 08 2008
Jen

Crash was a terrible movie. It made me want to vomit. What I hated most was how that goddamned redneck cop was supposed to be redeemed of finger-raping Thandie in front of her fear-paralyzed husband for doing his job. Sit the fuck down, writers of Crash.

18 08 2008
SCGirl4Life

My great grandmother used to work for a Jewish family (in SC) and they had two little girls. The little girls would always ask her why people hated them so much. It was sad but notice I said that my great-grandmother WORKED for them right? Okay then.

I like this argument as well, “Well some Africans sold other Africans into slavery”. That did happen but why does that somehow excuse the travesty that followed. I am going back to lurking for a bit. This type of stuff will make me go off.

18 08 2008
Esquire

No, no

I love how the black insurance adjuster was a bitch from hell. and the rapist ass cop was just tryna help his poor old racist daddy.

Thats why he hates black people. vomit vomit vomit.

18 08 2008
Jen

@Esquire – WHY DID YOU MENTION THAT AWFUL MOVIE? I am having heart palpitations just thinking about its watershed scene. I think I audibly screamed at the screen when I first saw it. I am about to search Facebook for friends with Crash listed as their favorite movie so I can defriend them.

Yes, it is that serious.

18 08 2008
JessAKA Rabbitt

First off, the whole comparing a basketball court to hundreds of years slavery, rape, abuse, applied self-hated which will affect us in some sense for hundreds mo’ years is painfully true!

My ultimate annoyance is when White people compare being called CRACKER to black people being called NIGGER

18 08 2008
puff

@ esquire – daniel dae kim from lost… he can sooooo get it. when he gets all over protective over his wife sun yung ho in lost…. *sigh*.

but yes, crash was a stupid movie trying make hollywood come across as less racist than it is. i hate token actions, it’s like putting a plaster on a broken leg and acting like it’s all better. fuck you very much, white america.

18 08 2008
Esquire

um according to every white person I know…racism does not exist.

duh.

18 08 2008
JG*

Like Chris Rock said “Black people do not have time to differentiate what kind of White you are”

I understand that different kinds of white people have different features, but usually, they can still blend in together. At the end of the day I am black, no hiding that unless I’m light enough/straight haired enough to pass. And that’s not a bunch of us.

18 08 2008
Cheekie

Esquire – “Was I the only one who hated Crash?”

I didn’t hate it (it was aiight), but I wasn’t impressed. It didn’t impress me in terms of being the innovative racial relations movie it purported itself to be. It didn’t push any real buttons…no matter how many 2520s were like, “Oh, wow, this opened my eyes wider than a dilated exam!!”, it still remained in the safe area to me. Didn’t really cross that line that it needed to in order to get a “Wow, thank you!” from me.

18 08 2008
former lurker

i almost had to go off on this boy senior year in high school. he was upset because he didn’t get into his school of choice. so he says, “maybe if i would have checked a different box on the application, i could have got in AND gotten a minority scholarship”

so i said, “no, maybe if your ass didn’t have mediocre grades and test scores and if you did more than join the chess club last week, you would have had a chance”.

18 08 2008
JessAKA Rabbitt

Vanita:

I hope you were joking about being Irish was WORSE than Black (are you Irish?)….please tell me you were…Also, I’m no historian, but maybe those blacks with red hair and freckles are exhibiting the before suppressed phenotypes of their ancestors slave masters…

18 08 2008
Cheekie

JessAKA Rabbitt – “My ultimate annoyance is when White people compare being called CRACKER to black people being called NIGGER”

Oh, GOD, yes. 2520s never understand that “cracker” is only a REACTION to oppression, it isn’t a form of oppression. Same with that Rev Wright type anger. It’s a REACTION.

In regards to this “Reverse Racism” issue, I always think of Kevin Powell of Real World fame and that infamous race argument. Lovely brotha, that Kevin.

18 08 2008
Jen

I am sad to report that I have 30 friends on Facebook with Crash listed as a favorite movie, including one of my favorite people. I will have to assume that these people have very poor taste in films (not that they are socially retarded) because, otherwise, defriending some of these people would be painful.

18 08 2008
Esquire

puff, shut yo mouth! Is that who that is. God…I like that show all over again. He is one fione asian man. He doesnt even lose points for being in Crash. I was extremely disappointed in Don Cheadle. Terrance Howard was just playing himself to me anyway.

Ive had white people say in my law class that because I got in thier friends did not. Um…I got a 160 on the LSAT. I had a 4.0. I passed the bar the first go round. WTF did you do? Besides spend daddys money?

18 08 2008
Esquire

nikiaphoenix.com

no Irish roots.

(I am very quietly laughing at you Jen)

18 08 2008
Jen

I know I am an AA beneficiary. I don’t give a DAMN. My family line is full of slaves, sharecroppers, placaged child concubines and Indians. I deserve my extra admissions points. Thank you kindly.

18 08 2008
TheChad

are we at 100 yet?

am i the only one who gets more obvious racist comments from blacks than whites?

actual conversation maybe 5 years ago…

Man in suit store: where do you go to school?
Me: UNC
Man: oh cool, do you play basketball?
Me: No
Man: run track?
Me: No
Man: [with confused look in face] Well what do you do, then?
Me: I GO TO CLASS!!!!

and that has happened SEVERAL times since high school… which is worse having a white person trying to compare their shortcomings to your life of normalized degradation or one of your own in utter disbelief that they let you out of the yard?

18 08 2008
stuffgirlslike

Well chris you are become more serious? It is almost as if this post is not does not belong to the blog.

http://stuffgirlslike.wordpress.com

18 08 2008
JessAKA Rabbitt

The Chad:

That reminds me of the scene from School Daze with Sam Jackson in the KFC parkking lot…LMAO!

18 08 2008
gabrieloneverything

I liked crash. It is on my facebook favorite movies. But just because I thought it was funny. Crash was a comedy to me. Racist sandra bullock lmao.

18 08 2008
sarah

Crash wasnt a bad movie. it wasnt made to push any buttons or test the bounds or anything. it was more a “fly on the wall” experience.

@ Esquire, next time someone gives you the whole “affirmative action” argument, remind them that there are more legacy slots than affirmative action slots for most schools. so, the douchebag (or douche-bitch) benefitting from nepotism or having their parents “pull a few strings” is the real reason why their mediocre friend did not get into whomever’s ivy league school.

18 08 2008
sarah

yikes! forgive the excess use of quotation marks. i am working on getting a white paper published.

18 08 2008
Roger

Oooooooohhhh, I fucking HATED “Crash.” That was some liberal Hollywood “aren’t we special for making this movie?” bullshit. Yeah, y’all were special–short fucking yellow bus special. That movie from abominable start to inexplicable finish was a piece of fucking shit. That movie should have been called “Retarded,” given that every character acted slower than a motherfuck. I didn’t feel a whit of sympathy for any of those fuckers–and I hate going to a movie and knowing that I’m being manipulated into “feeling” something. I was sitting there calling plot twists twenty fucking minutes before they happened–usually I’d say, “Well, such-and-so is a moron; so, in the real world where such-and-so would do this, this moron will actually do that, resulting in racial stupidity.” And so it would happen (ie, Ryan Phillippe and Larenz Tate’s incredibly STUPID exhange)

Man, FUCK “Crash.”

18 08 2008
Ms. Sula

I actually liked Crash. The acting was good. The stories, mostly true from the writer’s perspectives.

@The Chad: Yes, I experience more “reverse racism” from Black folks… Then again, I am not “black” according to one of my black colleagues. The kicker is she is green-eyed and let’s just say coffee doesn’t even render my coloring… :D.

*shaking my very dark head*

18 08 2008
former lurker

i can’t quote the exact study or wonderful statistics that we all love, but i remember some guy, maybe a former admissions office from princeton, did a study, and determined that if affirmative action were totally eliminated from their admissions process, only 1% of the white applicants that were rejected would have been admitted.

18 08 2008
former lurker

btw, i agree crash sucked ass. it’s like they were trying to do way too much in that movie, and they didn’t even do it well. only reason i watched the whole thing was cuz i already spent my hard earned $7.00 (holla at that matinee AND student discout!)

18 08 2008
Omar

“Mark 2” ass busters…

18 08 2008
TheChad

lol @ Omar…

18 08 2008
Shavonne Nicole

What a way continue my crappy weekend….great post, Chris.

18 08 2008
Jen

Roger is correct. Crash was race relations for the mentally disabled. It was “let me beat you over the head with this ridiculous fucking idea while retaining unwarranted sympathy for these egregious ass white people”.

Crash was the cinematic equivalent of the diversity rationale for Affirmative Action.

18 08 2008
Omar

In Crash the only people that got to redeem themselves were the white cops I guess they want the world to forget that these mofo’s conquered and pillaged 4 of the 5 inhabited CONTINENTS outside of Europe.

I wonder how mny Irish people were lynched…

What makes me mad is we are supposed to forget slavery but they will go to the Holocaust museum drop a tear and say “we will never forget”.

18 08 2008
JessAKA Rabbitt

“What makes me mad is we are supposed to forget slavery but they will go to the Holocaust museum drop a tear and say “we will never forget”.

AMEN…

By the way, Milwaukee=home of America’s Black Holocaust Museum

(I put on for my city) 😉

18 08 2008
Monie

Vanita,

Irish and Blacks were not cool with each other in general back in the day. Read about The New York City Draft Riots of 1863. The Irish were pissed because were being drafted to serve in the Civil War and went around in groups finding Black people and killing them, including Black children.

Also I can’r imagine it ever being worse to be Irish than Black in America.

18 08 2008
TomatoHead

Crash wasn’t a bad film. It was well acted and the story was very well paced, the editing was great and the music was fantastic. Sorry, I get uppity about people saying a movie is bad just because they don’t like the story. What you don’t like, and what I didn’t like, is the story. Good film, stupid story.

Racist Sandra Bullock=hilarity.

18 08 2008
JessAKA Rabbitt

I liked crash…i hope everyone isn’t just jumping on the bandwagon of hating it!

18 08 2008
Lindsay

What I’m really mad about is that folks are still using apostrophe s to pluralize nouns. Bammas are still doing that?!

Argument void.

18 08 2008
TomatoHead

I got into a fight with one of my former friends about going to see “white girl” movies i.e. sisterhood of the traveling pants and really any romantic comedy. She wanted to go see “Thirteen”, that probably crappy movie about some white teenager who starts using drugs at age 13. GASP! Anyway, I told her I just wasn’t interested in seeing a “white girl” movie like that and she got super offended saying that I was insensitive and it was rude of me to talk that way. I told her that movies like that appeal to white girls, no? And she grudgingly replied, “yea”. So there you go.

We aren’t friends anymore.

18 08 2008
JessAKA Rabbitt

Where is the comment? Chris…you CENSOR people????

18 08 2008
former lurker

lol. i guess Chris is trying to prevent the inevitable from happening. for a second i was like hold up, i know i just read some ol ignant sh*t, where did it go?!?!?!

18 08 2008
Vanita

@ jessAKA Rabbit – No I wasnt joking. There was a time in history when being Irish was worse than being black. I learned that in my art history class (aka nerd).

18 08 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

“Where is the comment? Chris…you CENSOR people????”

I tolerate neither the ignorant nor the vacuous, nor any references to them.

18 08 2008
imaG

Reverse racism is a bitch…

http://www.anythingblack.net

18 08 2008
Ms. Sula

lol @former lurker…

18 08 2008
Shavonne Nicole

I was waiting for the rippery that would have ensued once people came out of their comas from dropping dead at that tomfoolery of a comment that has since been deleted (for shame Chris!)…. Oh well….
@Tomato
I saw “Thirteen”…. and I wanna punch Holly Hunter in the kidney and demand those 2 hours of my life back.

18 08 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

“No I wasnt joking. There was a time in history when being Irish was worse than being black. I learned that in my art history class (aka nerd).”

There is no God.

18 08 2008
Cheekie

Dammit, what comment? Now I’m all curious nosy and shit.

Even if it woulda made my blood boil, I wish I’d just seen it. Or do I?

18 08 2008
Jen

@ Tomatohead – The core of what makes a good film is its storyline. And this one was predictable, as was mentioned. The writing insults the audience by both sugarcoating and watering down its subject and beating the audience over the head with its message. Complete lack of subtlety–even in the directing. I like intersecting storylines, but these characters paths were forced to cross. Deus ex machina, your name is Crash. I did not believe the movie. At all. Contrived. Melodramatic. I love movies. I’ve studied, shot and worked on them. Crash was just terrible on multiple levels.

I still refuse to believe you are serious, Vanita. This is elaborate flame.

18 08 2008
blackberry molasses

what’d i miss?? dammit. i need to skip these inane meetings to pay attention to what’s really important… this blog

18 08 2008
TheChad

yeah i missed it too….

that’s what i get for doing work…

18 08 2008
Vanita

The book is called “How the Irish became White” they were equated to african american, and hated just as much as they were. I cant remember where I learned that the Irish and black were tight, although it was from a movie that my professor showed in that art history class. Anyway, what I am sure about is that the Irish were in fact worse off than black for a brief moment in history.

18 08 2008
Jo

Cheekie–it wasn’t even worth it.

*back to lurking*

18 08 2008
blackberry molasses

art.history.class.

*shakes fists in air* WHYYYYYY?????

Vanita… you drank the Kool-Aid. Spit it out. NOW.

18 08 2008
Amadeo

Crash sucked it didn’t deal with institutional racism and thus is null and void.

18 08 2008
JessAKA Rabbitt

At Irish having it worse than Blacks: We don’t believe you-you need more people! Or at least more than an art history professor, book and documentary…
No personal offense intended Vanita…what it reminds me of is a story, or film i read or saw a long time ago, in which U.S. soldiers from some war ( a lot of holes in this story I know) was like if giving the option of killing a Japanese or Black man…he would go with the black man because “The Jap is closer to White anyway”

True Story…i think

18 08 2008
Vanita

*I had to take it guys, i swear!*

18 08 2008
B4Prez

Umm…I’m pretty sure Crash was just a movie. Hollywood wasn’t trying to redeem themselves or Yt’s with it, they were just out to make a buck with the always bankable ‘6 degrees’ plot. They gave it a race spin, got a decent group of writers, and threw in a pretty good cast and they got their hit. Everything is sociopolitical folks.

18 08 2008
Vanita

No personal offense taken, I just SWEAR i remember learning about this!!!

18 08 2008
Ms. Sula

Yeah Vanita… They made you drink the Kool-Aid… Remember, the Lion doesn’t write the story that’s why the Hunter is always coming off as glorious and heroic and shit…

18 08 2008
Tamz

I feel like I just saw a unicorn (the deleted comment).

I didn’t like Crash. I understand if people were entertained by it, but when people (esp. black people) say it is so deep and life changing, I lump them in with people who love Tyler Perry’s films.

How can 2520’s and other non-blacks understand that they can’t compare oppressions if they don’t even understand the concept of perms? Most white women and even hispanic women that I’ve talked to in Houston don’t realize that perms are not the way black women’s hair grows out of their heads. (Ok I’m done, sorry to get off topic but this just happened in my office lol.)

18 08 2008
Omar

@Vanita – “But the irish were worse off than black people AT ONE POINT. Signs advertising for jobs used to state NO IRISH WANTED, blacks ok”

The problem with this statement is that:

A) We don’t know if this were true for a significant amount of jobs, but we do know that there was a significant amount of jobs shut off to black people well into the 60’s and 70’s and they were blatant with it.

B) If they can do a different accent and change their last name they would have no problems; black folks not so lucky.

C) Irish people first came to America in large numbers around 1850 and slavery was still going on; which renders all of their problem nil in the eyes of black folks. My great-grandparents were share croppers in North Carolina and they said that it was like slavery with a new name.

I also wonder how many Irish people were shot for “reckless eyeballin'”…

18 08 2008
Vanita

ok
http://academic.udayton.edu/race/01race/white13.htm
I didnt go to Dayton, but through alot of my racism, law & racism classes in undergrad I had to subscribe to Ms Randalls Newletter.
My Art history class was in HS, but the Irish/Black relations was something that was commonly brought up through my undergrad.

18 08 2008
TomatoHead

B4Prez is right. it’s all about the bottom line and no, a movie doesn’t have to have a fantastic storyline to be a well-made film, all you need is good writers, good actors and a shit ton of money. Norbit was a bad film. Valley of the Dolls was a bad film. Crash is not a bad film. Crash is race relations 101 at Hoboken High School. They wanted to make money with a movie about intersecting story lines. The way they made theirs different is they threw in race.

18 08 2008
JessAKA Rabbitt

Omar
Damn….I was just recklessly eyeballed at work! lol…

Tamz
I feel the same way about the unicorn comment…lol, but Chris like a warrior swooped in and saved us from a workday of internet irritation and blog-bitchassness

18 08 2008
Amadeo

The irish were never “worse off” then black people. They were just hated in a similar manner. However they rose on our (further) demise. No doubt they were hated, but the hatred against them was a passing phase, like hatred for jews or any other group of immigrants.

18 08 2008
Vanita

And I hope everyone understands that when i mean ‘better’ it was only by a narrow margin. They were both still discriminated the hell out off. Anyway, I just thought I might share a bit of what I was taught, I just thought it was interesting.

So when are we gonna talk sex???

18 08 2008
puff

@ vanita – art history now teaches our history? the only art history classes (they were compulsory, don’t e-throw stones at me) i took were all about les blancs. as almost every other class i’ve ever taken is.

sidenote – i HATE when white people ever try to claim that they know about your culture (salty ass African immigrant speaking) cos they went to Kenya this one time and understand the struggle because they bought a necklace from a Masai woman – i’ve lived and breathed the white culture forced on me and been around them for damn near 12 years, all the while trying to deal with them annihilating my own. so i can say i know all about their culture, which they force on others, and they don’t know shit about mine, so i am justified in throwing spears at them when i run out of elephants and cheetahs to hunt.

18 08 2008
tp2

hello all…

“Like Chris Rock said “Black people do not have time to differentiate what kind of White you are”

I understand that different kinds of white people have different features, but usually, they can still blend in together. At the end of the day I am black, no hiding that unless I’m light enough/straight haired enough to pass. And that’s not a bunch of us.”

I have this as an arguement all the time. 2520’s know their ancestry for the most part. Down to where their surname orignates. Us? We’re just black.

2520: What’s your ancestry?
Me: ??
2520: I mean no one is from America **Native Americans are you twit, hence NATIVE Americans**, you’re from somewhere
Me: IDK, I’m just black. My people are from Africa
2520: Well duh, that’s not hard to figure out! *giggles* *I don’t find sh*t funny* Like what part of Africa, there are a lot of countries over there you know…
Me *Go ask your great grandfather, I’m sure he has some insight** The only thing I know about my ancestry is that my name should be on the tag on the shirt on your back.
2520: **turns red, walks away**
Me: Exactly…

We have very little/no identity and this is why we are the most oppressed. If you don’t know who you are, you become lost…

18 08 2008
Vanita

(disregard any spelling errors, I’ve been jumped on enough today thanks!)

18 08 2008
Jen

Vanita, I know what book you are talking about.

Your prof must have taken very isolated excerpts of the book and presented them to you without the context of contemporary Black history.

Somebody once tried to pull that shit in [ironically] a Film History class I took in undergrad. The prof, a Southern white man, literally asked the person talking to stop talking, and told her that whoever taught her that tripe was a racist. He said he refused to expand the class exercise in contrasting actual history with film portrayals of it to a contrasting historical fiction and film portrayals of it.

I rarely encourage censorship, but at that moment, wanted to start a slow clap.

18 08 2008
Omar

“Norbit was a bad film.”

Norbit was the biggest waste of money next to spinners…

“they spinnin’ nigga they spinnin’…” – Chris Rock

18 08 2008
Lindsay

“Go ask your great grandfather, I’m sure he has some insight.”

Sooo using this.

18 08 2008
JessAKA Rabbitt

speaking of course (legitimate or not) that we have taken…I took a course called The Psychology of Racism-cool huh? anyway, the professor, very well versed in Psychology, sociology, Africology, statistics and more stated that Reverse Racism does NOT exist because Racism is defined by the HATRED of those with POWER for those which have been oppressed. i.e. White people are only capable of Racism in America and other countries because they are the only ones that have power….what ya’ll think

18 08 2008

I want to know if Chris did the list of things he said he was going to do this weekend.

18 08 2008
Omar

“2520: I mean no one is from America **Native Americans are you twit, hence NATIVE Americans**, you’re from somewhere”

Proof they think certain people aren’t PEOPLE… I remember during the early gentrification of DC and people were complaining about how bad some of the neighborhoods were and one lady on the news gets interviewed and says:

“PEOPLE are moving back to DC and we need protection”

… as if the people who were living there for the past 20 yrs aren’t PEOPLE.

18 08 2008
I'm here

Crash was…..eh ok. It got on my nerves. Now I wonder what that movie would have been like if they would have included EVERYONE who claims to have reverse racism.

lol @ TheChad as a black female at a predominately white insititute I also get asked the “are you on an athletic scholarship” question. Its a damn shame.

As for The Holocaust comment, this reminded me of a debate in on of my classes b/t the balcks and whites after watching “Roots” (yeah I know). This one white girl had the nerve to say that The Holocaust and slavery were the same thing. I was livid! I went off on that girl. Yes both tragedies were bad but how dare she compare a few years to over 100 years of oppression. Damn this is making me mad all over again. White people will just never understand. You cant just “forget” something like slavery when it is thrown in our faces almost everyday, intentionally or unintentionally.

18 08 2008
Lindsay

@ JessAKA –

I’ve heard the same, and don’t really think ‘ism’s need to have power associated with them to “exist.” A redneck can be classist, just as blueblood can; likewise a black person can be racist.

18 08 2008
Amadeo

The one good storyline in crash was the Latino locksmith.

The Dark Knight was a good movie.

Donnie Darko was a good movie.

If they stick to the book the Watchmen should be a good movie. All these happy ending movies and everything works out in the end are craptastic.

That said…I came the closest to crying in a movie theatre when Obi-Wan yelled at Anakin…”You were my brother…I loved you.”

I was a little verklempt…so what.

18 08 2008
Omar

“Somebody once tried to pull that shit in [ironically] a Film History class I took in undergrad. The prof, a Southern white man, literally asked the person talking to stop talking, and told her that whoever taught her that tripe was a racist.”

@Jen – Your professor probably stared in “Birth of a Nation”.

18 08 2008
TomatoHead

LOL Amadeo. You nearly cried in that shitastic pile of tripe?

I have to say though….I cry every single time I watch Titanic. And not when people think. I cry when I see those old people in their lifevests holding each other in their bed while water rushes in on them and that sad, sad music is playing. Goddamn them and their sad, sad music.

18 08 2008
Cheekie

*standing ovation for tp2*

18 08 2008
Jen

@ Omar

I guess I was unclear…I type pretty quickly and, sometimes, incoherently.

Somebody started presenting the idea that the Irish had it “as bad” as Blacks in America in my Film History class, and the Prof put that bitch on pause and told her she was spouting historical fiction.

That man will always be a winner in my book.

18 08 2008
tp2

““PEOPLE are moving back to DC and we need protection””-was she a Klingon or something? WTF?

**This one white girl had the nerve to say that The Holocaust and slavery were the same thing**

why I can’t walk around with a gun…

18 08 2008
A.K.

“Shut the fuck up- blacks aren’t the only people who’ve been discriminated against”

The die is cast…

18 08 2008
Jen

I laughed at Titanic when the dude hits the propeller and goes spinning in the opposite direction.

Also when Rose claws Jack’s clammy fingers from her piece of buoyant salvage and pushes his ass in the water.

Good times, good times.

18 08 2008
tp2

@Cheekie-thank you. they bother me sometimes. I can’t hold my tongue ALL the time…

18 08 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

“I cry when I see those old people in their lifevests holding each other in their bed while water rushes in on them and that sad, sad music is playing. Goddamn them and their sad, sad music.”

While I didn’t cry at this scene, I definitely got choked up. I’m going to get railed on for this, and you can all kiss my hairy yellow butt.

18 08 2008
LEO

It’s my birthday!
Happy bithday to me…………….

18 08 2008
hipployta

@ Amadeo…if they stick to the comic Watchmen will be great…but considering the ending and what they did to Wanted I just don’t know…but the film pictures look great.

beautiful kisses
Siobhan

18 08 2008
Omar

“You nearly cried in that shitastic pile of tripe?”

@TH – Star Wars is trip? Surely you jest, Ok maybe Episode 1 was bad but that’s it.

18 08 2008
Landon

I know you guys missed me 🙂 i was on the run in the midwest, lol

Titanic as Steve Harvey Said — Kool and the Gang would not have played while the ship went down, lol….

18 08 2008
tp2

HAPPY BORN-DAY LEO!!!!! I pray today is all that you want it to be. You are truly blessed to see another year (as crappy as it can be)! Enjoy!!!!!

<<<<LOVES birthdays! YAY for B-days!!!

18 08 2008
Cheekie

“Goddamn them and their sad, sad music.”

TomatoHead, you ain’t lyin’. For me, it’s all about the soundtrack when watching most movies and getting emotional. I always wonder if I’d have the same reaction if there wasn’t a soundtrack. Emotional manipulation, that music.

“I laughed at Titanic when the dude hits the propeller and goes spinning in the opposite direction.”

OMG, though Titanic is a sad movie, it has all kinds of hilarious moments. I love that douche with the top hat who says he wants to go down “as a gentleman”. And then later on when Rose/Jack are running, trying to find lifeboats, he’s all, “This way, I’ll show you!”, but they’re WAY ahead of him at that point.

18 08 2008
Vanita

In Titanic, the part I cried on was the part where she unclipped his frozen ass from whatever she was floating on. I was so mad, like he saved your ass and you cant even make sure his family gets the body? Selfish bitch.

18 08 2008
puff

am i the only heartless bitch who didn’t cry (and actually, in parts laughed) during titanic?

18 08 2008
Ms. Sula

I have to say though….I cry every single time I watch Titanic. And not when people think. I cry when I see those old people in their lifevests holding each other in their bed while water rushes in on them and that sad, sad music is playing. Goddamn them and their sad, sad music.

TomatoHead, get out of my head! I always cry in Titanic not for the crappy (unrealistic) love romance, but when the workers in the bowels of the ship got locked down, and the lady with her two kids not being able to make it up…

Damn rich white people!

(Still Monday and I’m still hungry. I am allowed!)

18 08 2008
Meka

Landon! You’re back! I

18 08 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

Ha, ‘hairy yellow butt’ reminds me of something I did in 3rd grade.

We had this after-school program, and our activity one day was to lie sideways on a huge sheet of paper and let a friend trace you with a crayon. Then you’d fill in the outline with your likeness.

My mom comes to pick me up shortly after we finish, and is horrified to see that I’ve filled in my skin color with yellow crayon:

Ma: “Boy…why did you color yourself yellow?”
Me: [confused] “Um…look!” [holds out hands, big smile]
Ma: “Why didn’t you use brown, boy?”
Me: [looks at own hands, puzzled] “…I don’t see no damn brown.”

Ma laughed, then grounded me for a week.

18 08 2008
Landon

In reference to the Slaves the Irish had it rough also, nonetheless the Irish is part of the reason slavery and race riots and issues happened in the north.

In the south – slave owners would hirer irish to catch the cotton bales. This was often a very dangerous task which, death or serious injury often happened. Lost limbs and so on. Slave owners had to pay for slaves were as they only paid an Irishmen. If the irish men died they didnt have to pay them. The Irish were never enslaved just more like servants who got kicked a lot.

In the north Blacks held a lot of jobs when freed. But when the Irish came to the states they demanded the blacks jobs… cooks, horse buggy drives etc…

18 08 2008
Meka

You know what killed me about Episode 1 was that teenage Amadalla (or however you spell it) is attracted to a 9 year old. It just didn’t seem quite right to me.

18 08 2008
Jen

Most pathetic thing I’ve ever cried at is the beginning of Finding Nemo when Nemo’s mommy and unborn brothers and sisters die.

My ex rented that movie so I would have something to watch/do when I was visiting him and he was in class. He came back and I was sitting in the dark crying watching Finding Nemo. I was pretty much banned from watching movies alone for the week.

NOBODY UNDERSTANDSSSS. That scene touched me.

18 08 2008
Yonnie3k

Esquire:

Ive had white people say in my law class that because I got in thier friends did not. Um…I got a 160 on the LSAT. I had a 4.0. I passed the bar the first go round. WTF did you do?

YES!! That’s the ish I’m talking about. Someone said something similar to me once and I had to let them know. People assume that affirmative action means that unqualified or undeserving people will get jobs/scholarships/etc. NO! It means that someone who IS qualified will get a fair chance instead of being pass over for their lesser qualified, but melanin challenged, and wealthier competition – can you say George W. Bush?

18 08 2008
Meka

Happy Birthday Leo

18 08 2008
EJ

@ Vanita – I didn’t cry at that part, I was ENRAGED at that part. I know you could have moved the hell over, or at least kept LOOKING for something for him to sit on … SOMETHING! What the hell! You just going to let him die though …

Also was heated when she threw the rock into the ocean. That old woman had no sense.

18 08 2008
Omar

I cried in the end of Titanic when she dropped that big blue diamond inthe water. What the fuck was she thinking…

18 08 2008
Jen

@ Chris – that is such a cute story. Children are so sweet. I don’t know how people discipline their children in between laughing at the things they say and do.

18 08 2008
Amadeo

@ TomatoHead

He was supposed to bring balance to the force…not leave it in darkness…I died a little that day.

For real though…Friday Night Lights…when Boobie cleans out his locker and goes to the car and cries with his unlce…that scene got me.

18 08 2008
gabrieloneverything

How about Mo’ Money when all they had to eat was spam…that killed me a little.

18 08 2008
Muse

Morning or good afternoon SBPHers…

I LOVE….I absolutely fucking LOVE LOVE LOVE it when White and “Others” think that just because they fucked or sucked black dick, they understand the plight of Black people and can relate to me. I go into hysterics when one of these females tell me “I understand how you feel as a Black person Muse because I my boyfriend is Black and I relate to Black people yada yada yada.”

18 08 2008
Omar

“It means that someone who IS qualified will get a fair chance instead of being pass over for their lesser qualified, but melanin challenged, and wealthier competition – can you say George W. Bush?”

Yup, they complain about affirmative action while George W. Bush gets into Yale with a 600 on his SATs. Affirmative Action only been around for like 30 years, Nepotism has keeping white men rich and fat for centuries.

18 08 2008
Yonnie3k

Vanita:

No I wasnt joking. There was a time in history when being Irish was worse than being black. I learned that in my art history class

The book is called “How the Irish became White” they were equated to african american, and hated just as much as they were.

I expected better of you Vanita. First of all, who wrote the art history book. You got one more time to use The Man’s books to prove His Story and we will take your proverbial black card.

Secondly, were Irish people sold like cattle? Did 2520s lick their faces to see who was the saltiest? Did the other European people rape them? Breed them and then sell their children? Is that in your book too?

18 08 2008
Landon

its funny how they forget that White Females gained the most from affirmative action

18 08 2008
BenAfficial

“had to turn away when Tony killed Manolo, that’s real” -JayZ

Sorry but the end of Menace to Society had me out at first. Caine! and Carlito made me tear up real quick. I..I.. love…you.. Gail..

18 08 2008
Jen

“Did 2520s lick their faces to see who was the saltiest? ”

Heart attack from laughter. Please call ambulance.

18 08 2008
Muse

Funny how White women are my biggest issue at work. I get along fabulously with White men but it’s the White broads who are ultra sensitive and complain that I’m too “hard” on them. Bleh. AS you can see I’m angry about going back to work tomorrow.

18 08 2008
BenAfficial

Oh yeah and the Royal Tenenbaums was a tear jerker at the end. Weird movie w a f*ckd up family, but a decent ending.

18 08 2008
Tamz

…..I have never seen Titanic. I don’t know how that is possible, but I haven’t.

18 08 2008
Yonnie3k

Most pathetic thing I’ve ever cried at: In that movie Hardball when Keanu Reeves is an alcoholic Little League in the projects – I cry everytime Baby G gets shot….I’m a little choked up right now.

18 08 2008
TomatoHead

Oh jeez Amadeo. I love Star Wars but those new movies were just awful and then george lucas goes and fucks up the old ones by putting in computer generated nonsense. I liked the old movies because of the puppets and such.

18 08 2008
puff

why the fuck did i not cry in any of these movies? are my tear ducts broken? the last movie that got a tear out of me was hotel rwanda, when they’re in the jeep and drive over all the bodies – but it was literally one tear.

@ chris – i think i love your mother, mainly cos she sounds just like mine.

18 08 2008
TomatoHead

Yonnie…you cry when someone named “Baby G” gets shot? 😛

18 08 2008
EJ

I cry at any sad moment in any movie. I cried during Ms. Doubtfire when they take Robin Williams kids away in the court … that was hard on me …

Yesterday, I was watching Heroes season two and cried … I’m a sap.

18 08 2008
Muse

OMG have you guys seen What Dreams May Come with Cuba Gooding Jr and Robin Williams? I cried my little heart out through the whole damn movie. Shoot I watched it again this weekend and cried my little heart out. It’s so beautiful and romantic.

18 08 2008
Omar

@Amadeo – Friday Night Lights don’t have nothing on Varsity Blues.

18 08 2008
Yonnie3k

Baby G was so cute. He was only like 6 or 7. All he wanted to do was play baseball with his big brother. They didn’t have to kill him, TomatoHead. They didn’t.

18 08 2008
Yonnie3k

I cried all through Hotel Rwanda. In fact, half way through the movie, I had to remind myself to breathe. I was so choked up, literally choked up, my throat hurt.

18 08 2008
blackberry molasses

@puff– no you are not the only one. i laughed my ass off when the boat was nearly vertical and people started sliding down the deck like it was a freaking slip ‘n slide… people thought i was psychotic…

@amadeo– glad to see i’m not the only star wars nerd on here… but my hubby did make me go see the craptastic animated Clone Wars this weekend… we both agreed we should have waited for it to come out on DVD.

18 08 2008
Knatural

AHAHAHAHAHAH…@ Tamz.
Thanks to your avatar, I am now singing “the ambiguously gay duo” over and over again in my head.
Crying at movies? I cry at some commercials. So sad.
And how in the world were the Irish treated worse than Coloreds? Was this in some alternate dimension or something? Not that my pain is worse than another’s, but c’mon, the Irish?

18 08 2008
angrywhitewoman

the irish were treated like shit- that’s why my ancestors were so attracted to the “i may be poor but at least i’m not black” carrot when it was offered to them. it sucked so much to be irish that we made the decision to become white.

white landowners had to do something when their white indentured servants and enslaved africans wouldn’t quit running away together to live with native people- thus, the birth of white privilege. we cracka ass crackas ate that shit up and it has happened with almost every other social movement in this country since. you can actually see the first time the word “white” was used to describe someone in the u.s. legal code, and it was in relation to european indentured servants who ran away, in order to differentiate them from Africans. if whitey got caught before the african, he/she would have to serve out the rest of the african’s term of servitude, which became life.

18 08 2008
Yonnie3k

whispers ~ can someone explain “Mark 3?”

18 08 2008
Dekela

I cried at the end of Titanic only because I couldn’t believe I sat through that shit…. I was smiling inside though (seeing a bunch of wealthy 2520’s drowning on a boat with no black passengers gives warm fuzzy feelings)

I literally screamed and cried in Iron Man when he falls into the Bluthner piano… I was sick for days

18 08 2008
Knatural

it sucked so much to be irish that we made the decision to become white.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA…

18 08 2008
Muse

Honestly the only group in American that has had it as bad if not worst than Blacks are the Native Americans. I wonder how I would feel to wake up everyday knowing that White people were responsible for stealing my land and the genocide of my people. To add insult to injury the only apology that my people receive is a fucking shitty reservation and a job at a casino.

18 08 2008
Muse

Erm America…not American.

18 08 2008
puff

@ blackberry molasses – i feel much better now, thank you. is it also sad that i was laughing like a goon at that bit in pearl harbour when ben affleck says, “you’re gonna be a father danny!” and josh hartnett is like, “no, you are”?

18 08 2008
Muse

Pearl Harbor was lame as hell. I wish both those fuckers planes got shot down.

18 08 2008
Omar

I almost cried with laughter at the end of Hidalgo when the guy comes back to the US from the race in the middle east and usse his money to save some damn horses; he probably could’ve saved some Native Americans since he was like half Native American but no he saves the horses.

18 08 2008
JG*

The Pursuit of Happyness. I cried so hard during that movie (lots of personal reasons too) That I think I cried until we got home. My guy was like “WTF. please stop now”

18 08 2008
Amadeo

@ Omar

But they practiced and practiced…he said they was going to go to the pros!”

18 08 2008
Knatural

Million Dollar Baby.
If you didn’t cry during the end of that movie…

18 08 2008
JessAKA Rabbitt

I always cry at the end of The Color Purple and the one lady is crying and singing Maybe God’s Tryna tell you something…it always makes me think of my sinful ways! I cried when Nino Brown shot sexy G Money…I cried when the disabled man is shot in the beginning of Schindler’s List…I cried in Lackawana Blues when grandma dies-matter of fact I cry whenever an old, disabled or black person dies or is killed

18 08 2008
angrywhitewoman

all of that to say- vanita didn’t drink the kool-aid, the irish did. dammit.

18 08 2008
BenAfficial

oh sh* Omar- I never thought about Hidalgo like that! You got a good point there.

18 08 2008
Muse

Angry white woman…why are you angry? The world is your oyster…

18 08 2008
JessAKA Rabbitt

AngryWhiteWoman: ” we cracka ass crackas”

I was just about to start ROTFL then I’m like…WTF you so angry about???

18 08 2008
Vanita

Second Million Dollar Baby. I cried during Lion King when Mufasa died…I was 10, but so did my mom…
I cried at the end of Pride and Prejudice…but I think I was coming on, so it doenst count.

18 08 2008
Defiant

Equality is a sham, no group wants this unreachable ideal in our society there is only dominant and subordinate.

18 08 2008
Amadeo

I cried when Keyser Soze get’s in the car at the end…it was just so beautiful…he played everyone…I need a moment.

18 08 2008
Vanita

lord…
Im gonna go do work.

18 08 2008
Omar

I was mad at Million Dollar Baby, I have fall and hit my head on some stuff in my day and I’ve never broken my neck, that looked too fake to me.

18 08 2008
Knatural

Omar – exactly. I hate that Viggo Whatshisname starred in that piece of shite Hidalgo. He redeemed himself with History of Violence and Eastern Promises, though.

Vanita – who DIDN’T cry when Mufasa died? “Somebody…anybody…” Awwww, poor Simba. At least Nala finally gave him some. Tease.

And I always tear up at The Color Purple. And Glory, when Denzel got his ass whooped for stealing shoes.

18 08 2008
angrywhitewoman

well my people went with that whole i’m white thing and now i don’t know anything about where i came from except that it was all about oppression. and though i very much appreciate what all i have, it sucks to know that it came at someone else’s expense…oh wait…i’m teetering on the edge of white guilt and that is SO annoying.

menace II society and the little mermaid always make me cry.

18 08 2008
Yonnie3k

Oh! Another one. I always always always cry at the end of Blow when Johnny Depp’s little girl is sitting there on the steps after he PROMISED that he was gonna come pick her up.

18 08 2008
Omar

I’m crying right now…

… I just heard Master P is starting another black television network and it is supposed to be positive. Even if he means well; it will probably suck, I’ve seen some of the No Limit movies; I still have nightmares. *shudders*

18 08 2008
Jo

@Knat–that scene in Glory is the worst. When that single tear dropped from Denzel’s eye, I lost it.

I’ve only seen one movie that made me break down hard though. Lilja 4-ever: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0300140/. We’re talking sobbing, hiccups, the whole works. That kind of cry you did as a child after your parents put away the extension cord/birch switch/leather belt and sent you to your room.

18 08 2008
Yonnie3k

Was anyone else unaware of the magnitude of this whole “white guilt” thing until Obama took the lead in the campaign and the MSM started talking about it? – or is that just me?

is anyone gonna explain mark 2 to me?

18 08 2008
Esquire

Excuse this:
I have not been in my office for several hours. (I was actually lawyering today)

but I scrolled thru the comments.

@Jen: Not only did I laugh at that part in the Titanic, but I also died laughing when Leo was all frozen and half blue.

@Landon: hey boooooy

@Vanita: Jen is prolly right. You may have been not have been given the entire pic.

@Chris: you should not have been punished. my child came home with a drawing and she was yellow, her daddy was an ugly peach color and I was a doo doo brown. Its on the fridge. She tried.

18 08 2008
Yonnie3k

I read in Essence that JC Watts is starting a 24 hour black news network. Oh Jon Stewart is gonna have a field day with this one.

18 08 2008
Esquire

The last movie that made me cry was chicken run.

It is very deep. I still cant believe they actually KILLED the chicken in the movie.

18 08 2008

“Most pathetic thing I’ve ever cried at: In that movie Hardball when Keanu Reeves is an alcoholic Little League in the projects – I cry everytime Baby G gets shot….I’m a little choked up right now”

me tooooooooooo

ok I know I’m officially kicked off this site after I tell ya’ll this….

Why do I cry everytime I watch a league of their own. BIG tears though.

I might get a pass with Malcom X though. I CRY like someone shot my family member when denzel gets shot!

18 08 2008
Yonnie3k

Esquire, is your husband white?

18 08 2008
Esquire

Omar, we talked about Master P last week. It sounds actually legit.

18 08 2008

The last movie that made me cry was chicken run.

It is very deep. I still cant believe they actually KILLED the chicken in the movie.

ahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhahhahhahha

18 08 2008
BenAfficial

lmao @Omar

18 08 2008
Jo

Did anybody else hear that David Alan Grier is doing the “black news” on Comedy Central?

18 08 2008
Esquire

No, he’s very light though. Which is why I would have thought he would have been yellow instead of her. my baby shoulda been a light brown and yellow combo.
Im going to have to reevaluate those crayons.
I, by the way, am not the color of shit either.

18 08 2008

YO! Has anyone seen the movie Niagara Niagara?

18 08 2008
Esquire

ne!!!
Chicken Run is a deep claymation about the perils of slavery and the chicken’s valiant escape to a safe place. Poor chicken. It was very moving.

18 08 2008
Omar

Menace II Society made me mad because the one who deserved to die the most, O-Dog, didn’t.

18 08 2008

OH! and crash had me crying when the ese thought his daughter was shot!

18 08 2008
angrywhitewoman

speaking of master p, the movie hot boyz always makes me feel ridiculous for crying too.

18 08 2008
Omar

@Esquire – i don’t doubt his intentions just his eye for quality worries me.

18 08 2008

omg when mufasa died I was SOBBING hard like it was my dad.

HIIIII MUSE AND LAAAAANDON…Missed you guys. Look at you too coming back on the same day.

18 08 2008
Knatural

AHAHAHAHAAH…when I was little I used ‘peach’ for my mom, and ‘raw umber’ for my dad. I was always ‘brown’. I love how literal children can be. I love Crayola.

Another movie that made me cry, in the theatre, was Passion of the Christ. And I’m not even Christian. But the scene in which Heyzoos carried his cross, and his mom was watching him struggle and stumble, touched me.

18 08 2008

Heyzoos

I hate you!

18 08 2008
Muse

Whether someone is a Christian or not, Passion of the Christ was a very powerful movie and a well done film.

18 08 2008
Tamz

@ Knatural

Waaaaaaay late but FINALLY somebody else remembers the Ambiguously Gay Duo!

I cried at The Devil’s Advocate when Charlize killed herself in the crazy house. WHY DIDN’T YOU LISTEN TO HER KEANU?!! WHYYYYYYYY?!

18 08 2008
Esquire

oh God. I cried for Mufasa too. I forgot that one.

18 08 2008
Omar

Knatural (19:07:10) :

“AHAHAHAHAAH…when I was little I used ‘peach’ for my mom, and ‘raw umber’ for my dad. I was always ‘brown’. I love how literal children can be. I love Crayola.”

raw umber? I guess you were a born artist.

18 08 2008
Esquire

Omar, Master P would be wise to hire someone else to do that. All of his movies, videos, and the decor of his house are awful.

anything is better thab bob johnson

18 08 2008
Cheekie

Movie that NEVER fails to make me cry: E.T. When E.T. points to his heart and says, “Ouuuuuch” and then Elliot says “Ouch” in a choked sob. And then, E.T. points to Elliot’s head and says, “I’ll be right here”. Niagara falls all over my face. And I don’t care HOW many times I’ve seen it (bajillion) and I know damn well what’s gonna happen, the waterworks come. And I HATE watching it with other people because I know I’m gonna cry.

I also cried when Flava Flav was born.

18 08 2008
Amadeo

I didn’t cry…but I wanted to slap that young chick at the end of Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. Selfish bitch.

18 08 2008

I didn’t cry when charlize killed herself. I was freaked out. That is a crazy movie.

18 08 2008
Tamz

Also, when I was a kid, I used to go around saying “I’m not black, I’m beige” in the most smart-ass stank 4-6 year old voice you can imagine. My mother still calls me Beige Girl.

18 08 2008

Amadeo,

I love that movie and I too, wanted to whoop her selfish ass!

18 08 2008
Yonnie3k

angrywhitewoman (19:04:55) :

speaking of master p, the movie hot boyz always makes me feel ridiculous for crying too.

And rightly so

18 08 2008
Knatural

raw umber? I guess you were a born artist.

Maybe. Or because my dad is that Black.

18 08 2008
Amadeo

@ Ne

I had the best advertisment for a reading program when I saw that. Didn’t know it was subtitled, but it’s foreign so I didn’t care. However as soon as the first subtitle comes up on the screen, the whole row behind me in unison said, “Awwwwww SHIT, we gotta read.”

18 08 2008
Yonnie3k

Unrelated:

You can waste so much time on Wikipedia. I went there to look up the NY Draft Riots, then ended up clicking on Irish, Irish Diaspora, Black Irish, Black Hair, and finally, Afro-Textured Hair – where I read this: During August 2007, American Lawyer Magazine reported that an unnamed junior Glamour Magazine staffer did a presentation on the “Do’s and Don’t’s of Corporate Fashion” for Cleary Gottlieb, a New York City law firm. There was a slide show where the woman made negative remarks about black women’s natural hairstyles in the workplace, calling them “shocking, inappropriate, and political.” Both the law firm and Glamour Magazine issued apologies to the staff.

Reminds me of the time I saw Dreamgirls and went home to read some stuff on Barry Gordy and ended up reading about Lenin. Its like six degrees of wikipedia

18 08 2008
TomatoHead

If you didn’t cry watching The Lion King, you have no heart. I was traumatized by Bambi as a child. I kept wandering into my mom’s room to make sure she was still alive. She would get pissed at me for waking her up. I have subsequently never watched it again.

I also cry every single time at the end of Pride and Prejudice when Mr. Bingley proposes. I know it’s coming but I’m so overcome with joy that I cry like a little girl.

Hotel Rwanda had me in funeral tears. I don’t even remember half of the film because I watched it through sobs and I couldn’t breathe. Same thing with Blood Diamond. I cannot in good conscience ever buy a diamond.

18 08 2008
TomatoHead

I refuse to watch E.T. That creepy little shitstain looks like it leaves a trail of earwax everywhere it goes.

18 08 2008
tp2

the natural hair debate infuriates me even more!!! grrrr!

18 08 2008
B4Prez

I cried when they canceled Martin…

18 08 2008
sarah

its all about Burnt Sienna.

classic Family Guy Quote:
Cleveland: Hey, baby. How’d you like to go black and then have to make a difficult decision regarding whether or not to go back?
White Woman: Sorry, I went burnt sienna and never went back.
Burnt Sienna Crayon: Ready, baby? Who’s this clown?

crayons suck, in any case

18 08 2008
Cheekie

TomatoHead – “I refuse to watch E.T. That creepy little shitstain looks like it leaves a trail of earwax everywhere it goes.”

Somehow, this broke my heart. But, then again, I can see how people (kids and adults alike) would be creeped out by him. 🙂

18 08 2008
Knatural

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH…TomatoHead!
You can’t call E.T. a shitstain.

Amadeo – that irritates me, too. Dubbed movies are worse than subtitled, you lose the emotion of the actual actors. Folks miss out on great foreign films having that attitude – “I gotta read?” After a few minutes, you don’t even realize you’re reading anyway.

18 08 2008
Cheekie

“AHAHAHAHAAH…when I was little I used ‘peach’ for my mom, and ‘raw umber’ for my dad. I was always ‘brown’. I love how literal children can be. I love Crayola.”

HAHAHAHA @ “raw umber”. Ah, Crayola memories. I remember I used to think I was THEE SHIT in grammar school for having the 64 box with the crayon sharpener built in the back.

18 08 2008
Vanita

Im goin natural guys!! Im gonna document as much as I can. It weird, because I have some people looking @ me like Im crazy and others really excited for me to do it. Im scared because I dont wanna do the big chop just yet. I only have about an inch of new growth at this stage.

18 08 2008
Vanita

I used to want to go to crayola factory. In fact, I think I will with my children. When I have/adopt them.

18 08 2008
Knatural

YES. I remember I used to think I was THEE SHIT in grammar school for having the 64 box with the crayon sharpener built in the back.

That’s because you were. I was too. I remember I got PISSED at me best friend for (1) using my crayons without my permission and (2) putting them back upside-down and out of order. I was way too serious about my art supplies.

18 08 2008
Tamz

@TomatoHead
Please don’t bring up Bambi. I can watch the Lion King even though Mufasa was murked in a horrible fashion. I cannot watch Bambi anymore. I get choked up telling people who haven’t seen Bambi about that death scene.

“I made it Mother!………….Mother?………Mother?!
*Bambi’s dad* Your mother can’t be with you anymore.
*one tear falls down Bambi’s cheek as he walks away in the snow with his dad*

I am a loser.

18 08 2008
Omar

Two of the best foreign subtitled films I’ve seen were both Brazilian “City of God” and “Favela Rising”(documentary)

18 08 2008
tp2

<<never did the big chop and I am 2 years into the game…this is my second and final time. NEVER going back to the creamy crack!

CONGRATS VANITA!!

18 08 2008
former lurker

“Ah, Crayola memories. I remember I used to think I was THEE SHIT in grammar school for having the 64 box with the crayon sharpener built in the back.”

NOOOOOOO. remember when crayola got extra gangsta and put out the damn 96 box! I just knew I was gonna be the coolest cat in art class, despite my lack of artistic ability

18 08 2008
B4Prez

‘City of God’ is great.

18 08 2008
tp2

I used to think I was THEE SHIT in grammar school for having the 64 box with the crayon sharpener built in the back.

I still think I am SMOKIN SH*T bc I still have a 64 box with the sharpener and get mad when people mess with it and don’t put things back where they got them…

does this make me a loser? lol…

18 08 2008
TomatoHead

I went to see Pan’s Labyrinth with my younger sister. Neither of us knew it was in Spanith. We looked at each other and just were like….well alright. I didn’t want to have to read nor listen to those weird Spanith accents that people from Spain have. Ick.

By the way, some English accents are really really ugly. The low class people there talk like they haven’t got single working brain cell.

18 08 2008

AMADEO,

I thought I wouldn’t enjoy it. But it wasn’t that bad though. I was in high school so it was good for me to read!

I went with all of my homeboys(11 of us) and after the movie we were all doing stunts in the parking lot, Jumping on cars…swinging from tree’s….fun times

18 08 2008
tp2

oh the 96 pack! it had all the metallics and pastels and everything. GLORY DAYS.

18 08 2008
Knatural

Oh, the 96 box was crazy. I eventually graduated to colored pencils. Crayola has a 150 box now. That’s riduculous.

Best Foreign films I’ve seen:
Pan’s Labryinth (Spain?)
Curse of the Golden Flower (Chinese)
Raise the Red Lantern (Chinese)
Yesterday (South African film about rural community effected by AIDS)

18 08 2008
Tamz

I f-in love City of God…….did anyone see the sequel? I heard it was garbage.

@ Vanita: Are you documenting it on Fotki? Congrats and be patient!

18 08 2008
Meka

B4Prez, co-motherfucking-sign! I will forever hate Waterhead Gina.

18 08 2008
blackberry molasses

this crayon talk is making me want to go out and get the 96 pack and some coloring books… does that make me a dork?

maybe i’ll stop by Risque and get ‘adult’ coloring books…

18 08 2008
Amadeo

Hmmm…I don’t even remember what type of crayons I had…I can tell you what type of markers I used to write on walls with.

I just realized that Han Solo was actually smoother then Lando Calrissian.

18 08 2008
Meka

Where can I learn to play Mob Wars? I figure that I should ask before August 31 (my birthday and Chris gives me a lump of coal).

18 08 2008

“Hotel Rwanda had me in funeral tears. I don’t even remember half of the film because I watched it through sobs and I couldn’t breathe. Same thing with Blood Diamond. I cannot in good conscience ever buy a diamond.”

You are not alone.

“B4Prez (19:28:16) :

I cried when they canceled Martin…”

Martin is the best. I actually prayed about that…lol
No matter how hard I think I am… I am a pansy

City of god was GOOD, but sad.

18 08 2008
Omar

@Tamz – how they going to do a sequel to a true story? Is nothing sacred…

18 08 2008
Esquire

Actually tp2. coloring is very therapeutic.

I cant paint. But I can color a mean mickey mouse

18 08 2008
sarah

Knat, thank you for admitting that you were just as anal rententive about your crayons as i was. i made sure to keep my crayons well sharpened, facing up, labels to the front, and in color order. that being said, my desk was always a mess of test papers, old homework assigments, and secret notes.

TH, Pan’s Labyrinth was so GRAPHIC! i had to cover my eyes during a couple of moments. it was a symphony for the eyes though. quite an imaginative piece, i thought.

18 08 2008
TomatoHead

Oh Crayons….I had Crayons for awhile but then my mom got me this beautiful colored pencil set that came in a wooden box and had three sharpeners and erasers and had like, 100 colors. I was THE shit at my school. All the little white girls were like, where did you get that? And I wouldn’t tell them because they never told me where they got things. FYI, it was Target.

18 08 2008
Meka

Wait, did anyone else cry during Armageddon, when Bruce Willis stays on the meteor so that he could detonate the nuclear bomb? I hate to say this but if it were up to me, the world might have to kiss its collective ass goodbye.

18 08 2008
Lia

Vanita-I went to the crayola factory when I was in either kindergarten or first grade. It was amazing.

18 08 2008
LEO

I cried at “Message in the bottel”

18 08 2008
Amadeo

Re: Pan’s labyrinth

I did not expect dude to do that hardcore shit with that bottle. I thought he might smack homeboy….but that was hardcore. On top of that they really were hunting.

18 08 2008
TomatoHead

LOL meka..Imma have to say I cried as well. but I was like, 13 when that movie came out so I have an excuse.

Sarah I had no idea it was rated R. I had no idea what it was really about. My sister and I were bored one day and both of us had heard good reviews about it so we went. Lordy…I felt sick to my stomach at some points and just couldn’t watch when that thing with eyes on it’s hands started messing around. And that big ol herky jerky wooden fawn creeps me out to this day.

18 08 2008
Omar

“Yesterday (South African film about rural community effected by AIDS)”

I saw this it was good, that’s devotion she built that dude a home from scraps that she found when he was on his last legs.

Another good South African movie was Totsi.

18 08 2008
sarah

Message in a Bottle – tremendous fail. that was a horrible movie.

18 08 2008
LEO

@sarah. Really, i thought it was really sad.

18 08 2008
Knatural

SARAH! My crayons were organized by color family, and I hated when kids would color with the unsharpened tip. WTF? But, my room was always a mess – to the outside observer. I knew where everything was though!

And I thought Pan’s Labyrinth was graphic, too. The scene in which dude used a bottle to smash the rabbit-thief’s face. Oh my. I often turn away from gory violence. It’s looks so real!

18 08 2008
Vanita

Oh yea, i cried at the Notebook, but the book.

TP@ how havent you cut the permed hair off yet?? Yea, Im gonna document it on Fotki, youtube, facebook, everywhere.

Isnt there a 128 box? And yes I was crazy about my crayons. Remember when you lost one?? I was so MAD because as soon as you lose one, you lose them all. My favorite color was cerulean…its sooo pretty!

18 08 2008
tp2

Meka, i did. that movie is one of my guilty pleasures…

18 08 2008
Vanita

Oh I also cried at Sarafina, but that because I was like 9, and my parents took me to the movies to watch it. I still let them know they scarred me to this day from that movie.

18 08 2008
Cheekie

Knatural – “That’s because you were. I was too. I remember I got PISSED at me best friend for (1) using my crayons without my permission and (2) putting them back upside-down and out of order. I was way too serious about my art supplies.”

Aww, you had that “artist” in ya from the jump, huh? Then again, I’m no artist, and I feel ya. I always had my crayons in order and got pissed as well when someone put them out of order. Then again, I was always overprotective of my shit. That’s what I get for being the youngest and technically the “only child” (my sister and half sister are each 14 years older than me)

And, oh yeah, former lurker! The 96 pack! Crayola was like the iPod of back in the day. Always upgrading and shit. When the 96 pack came out, it de-throned the 64.

18 08 2008
sarah

you know whats a good movie about AIDS? 3 Needles. what i loved about it was it took my by surprise. i half expected it to center on the South African/African American plight heavily and was prepared to get mad, but it showed what is most ignored about the realness of the disease.

18 08 2008
Meka

Armageddon had the entire theater crying; however, my friend and I were crying and laughing because the woman in front of us kept sniffling. For some reason, sniffles have always cracked us up.

18 08 2008
LEO

Another movie that i cried so hard was Hurricane (or the hurricane), I don’t think i cried that much the day my mother passed away (ok may not the same), but seriously, that was a sad movie.

18 08 2008
Cheekie

Favorite foreign films

Tsotsi – South African
Amelie – French

I don’t mind “reading” films since I don’t even notice it after a while.

18 08 2008
Esquire

Change of topic…very briefly

Did anyone see how that Jamaican smoke everyone without even trying. That negro stopped running with 15 yards to go.

18 08 2008
Cheekie

Random Question: What’s the largest Crayola pack right now?

18 08 2008
Esquire

smoke = smoked

18 08 2008
The Doc Is In

Holy shit!
http://www.crayolastore.com/product_detail.asp?T1=CRA+52-0029&.

Trying to come up with a rationale for why I need this in my life, cuz I’m *thisclose* to clicking “add to cart”

18 08 2008
sarah

Knat, i think you are my long lost twin. i would always surprise my mother because my room stayed a mess, but i knew where every sock, puzzle piece, and book was in my room. my bed was never made, but i could tell if you sat on my bed (me and my first college roommate came to blows over a situation like this), which used to gross me out. but, when it came to stuff like organizing my crayon box or my book shelf, thats when my OCD would kick into overdrive.

18 08 2008
Amadeo

The Professional was a great foreign flick.

I was mad that Leon died…but at least he took that crazy prick with him and had a great line in the process.

If Gary Oldman walked up on me in an alley I would beat him to death…dude plays some crazy ass villains.

18 08 2008
Knatural

Cheekie – my sister is 10yrs older. I’m more or less an only child, too. I think the deciding gap is anything beyond seven years.

THA 150 PACK! Doc – lets buy it, it’ll be both of ours but we just keep it at my house.

18 08 2008
Vanita

OMG Esq – Both the male and female jamaican athletes!
I sincerely hope they werent doping. The last time we saw a margin of victory that big was M. Jones. And homegirl in is jail now.

18 08 2008
Vanita

@ sarah – Nope, thats me to a T. My boyfriend would alway say ‘your room is soo junky but you know where everything is…’

18 08 2008
sarah

whoa! thats some serious coloring! seriously, if you are ever in the market for 150 crayons, call it a day. if you’re that serious of an artist, i am pretty sure crayons should not be your medium of choice.

18 08 2008
The Doc Is In

Did I see the edited version of Pan’s Labyrinth? I didn’t get the hype about that movie at all. The “violent” parts didn’t move me much, nothing in the movie did. I keep thinking there was some theme that I missed.

18 08 2008
Jen

Thoughts on discussed movies:

-I cry watching The Little Mermaid as an ADULT when Arial goes “Daddy, I LOVE him” and gets her shit blown up by abusive father/autocratic leader, King Triton -The first movie that ever made me cry was Schindler’s List. The red dress did it for me. You see the little girl early on in the movie playing in the red dress, and then the red dress on the corpse later in the movie. That was the saddest thing I had ever seen.

-All of ya’ll are better than me for crying at The Passion because I just sat threw the whole movie pissed over the fact they casted Jesus whiter than Davey Crockett.

-The Lion King never made me cry until I watched it a month ago. Bawled like a moron.

I decided not to let my daughter watch The Lion King until she is in at least Kindergarten because the last child I watched it with asked me what was wrong with Mufasa after the stampede. I told her he was dead. She asked what that meant, and I told her death is when someone goes to sleep, but can’t wake up. She looked at me really confused, pointed out that Simba was shaking Mufasa enough for him to feel it even if he was asleep and asked why he wouldn’t just get up. I called my cousin in at that point and told her it was not my job to explain death to her overinquisitive child.

18 08 2008
Esquire

I hope they werent doping. I just cant believe that dude basically cruised into first place AND broke a world record.
Dude is faster than a cheetah.

18 08 2008
BenAfficial

I used to feel proud when I had crayola markers cuz they weren’t the cheap off brand (like the sneakers I would have to get- can anyone say Zips; and don’t forget pro-keds).

18 08 2008
The Doc Is In

LOL, I know what I’m getting Knat for her birthday! I’m sure you’d make better use of it anyway. I was always stunting with the colored pencil and crayon sets (I had the plastic carrying case for my 64 pack…get like me!) …and NO artistic talent to speak of. Although I once drew a BOMB-ass dingo with some oil pastels. I think oil pastels were my favorite…I like it a little greasy and dirty 😉

18 08 2008

Yesterday was intense. The journey and pain killed me.

18 08 2008
Yonnie3k

What about City of God? I love that damn movie.

18 08 2008
BenAfficial

or Stadia’s.. damn showin my age here…

18 08 2008
Vanita

He’s tall is ish.
The commentator was describing his stride as a gallop, because hes sooo tall. And me and my sister were just about to curse, saying how racist that was. Then they showed him running and we both said “oh. he sorta really does gallop”. It was soo funny because we were about to call NBC, we jumped off the couch and everything.

18 08 2008
Knatural

Damn, Sarah. Sounds just like me. I struggle with that ‘messiness’ trait to this day. My husband prefers a more spartan environment, clutter free. And when we (he) cleans up, I can never find anything. He’s so quit to “put everything in it’s place”. It’s annoying.

Jen – I agree. Why was Heyzoos sooooooo White. No tan, nothing. Do better Mel Gibson.

Oh! Remember the scented markers? Blue smelled like blueberry, brown smelled like licorice, I think?

18 08 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

“you should not have been punished. my child came home with a drawing and she was yellow, her daddy was an ugly peach color and I was a doo doo brown. Its on the fridge. She tried.”

Haha, I wasn’t punished for the yellow. I was punished for using the word ‘damn’

18 08 2008
Amadeo

@ BenAfficial

I had Stadia’s.

18 08 2008
I'm here

There have been a few things that I have teared up on like in that video “Goodbye” with Jagged Edge, it was so sad when that little was crying because her daddy was leaving for the army.

Now the only thing that had me snotting and crying like somebody died was the scene in “Passion of the Christ” when Jesus was getting beat. Man that really got to me. I was the only one in the movie theatre who was crying like that.

18 08 2008
Knatural

quit = quick

18 08 2008
The Doc Is In

The only movies I remember crying at have been mentioned – The Lion King, Armageddon, Passion of the Christ and Hotel Rwanda. Most recently I *almost* shed a tear when Will had to kill Sam in I am Legend. I haven’t seen a lot of the other movies mentioned…I need to get up on Netflix and lock myself in my room for a week to catch up.

18 08 2008
tp2

aww @ explaining death!

the Jamaicans were ridiculous this weekend. wow.

18 08 2008
tp2

still haven’t seen the Passion bc I think I will cry through the whole thing 😦

18 08 2008
Jen

Who has seen Life is Beautiful? It is a really popular Italian film about a dad who tries to protect his young son from the fact they are living through the Holocaust by telling him they are playing a game.

Cried like a fucking baby.

18 08 2008
Amadeo

Wait, wait…No love for Leon? You cold hearted bastards…after what he did for Matilda.

Unless you just haven’t seen it…in which case you are losing at life.

18 08 2008
Ms. Sula

I just have my mouth wide open and salivating at all the crayolas…

I need kids. As an excuse to buy that kind of stuff.

18 08 2008
blackberry molasses

I loved Life is Beautiful… absolutely adored it

18 08 2008
Ms. Sula

@Jen… Life is Beautiful is one of the most heartwrenching films I have ever seen.
Oh my God.

I bawl at commercials even, so I am certainly not the person to ask about crying at the movies. I cry out of frustration and/or shame most of the time though.

18 08 2008
Jen

Okay, I am really mad at the crayon tutorial on the Crayola website. Have tv and video games made children so uncreative that crayons now need to come with tutorials??

18 08 2008
Yonnie3k

Oh – we talking about videos now? How about Aaron Hall’s I miss you when the woman died giving birth. Why the hell am I 13 crying in the middle of the night watching Midnight Love? Who was it that died? Was it Garcelle Bouvier (sp?)?

18 08 2008
sarah

tp2, me as well. i’m a bad Christian.

18 08 2008

“Most recently I *almost* shed a tear when Will had to kill Sam in I am Legend.”

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

You guys have to see “Niagara Niagara”

Anyone read the twilight series?

18 08 2008
Yonnie3k

I’m keeping a list of movies to see. So far, 3 needles and Life is Beautiful.

I swore I was gonna get some work done today

18 08 2008
Yonnie3k

Not to be a Debbie Downer, but what number are we on on the Last 10 Posts Countdown? I’m gonna miss you guys

::::sniffles::::

18 08 2008
Vanita

Ne – People keep tellin me about the twilight series.
What about I am Sam? or the Other Sister? Those movies made me cry.

18 08 2008
Jen

I am crying now because I just watched the last scene of Life is Beautiful. Shoot me in the face.

18 08 2008
tilshiloh

to “blackberry molases”..dat calls for a replay when i get home

“Don’t hate me
my folks is poor, I JUST got money
America’s five centuries deep in cotton money.”

mr nigga..nigga nigga

“black on both sides”
mos def used to be the illest

everyone needs that album

18 08 2008
JessAKA Rabbitt

jen:

I saw Life is Beautiful in my Italian class-it was a beautifully sad movie *sigh* if someone wants to see me cry:

slavery
holocaust
drug addicts
abused children
abused elderly
abused disabled
documentaries on general sad shit

Will all do it for you…I’m depressed now 😦

18 08 2008

videos?

UNBREAK MY HEART!!!!!!!!! Yo! I was like 15.

18 08 2008

awww I am sam!!!!!!

I did lmao when he had that cake and bit the dust

18 08 2008
Yonnie3k

Mos Def used to be the illest? Did he die b/c he mos def didn’t fall off.

18 08 2008
I'm here

@ Yonnie3k-Damn I forgot about that one! I was bawling like a baby!

Has anyone seen the movie “Soldier’s Girl?” Its about an army guy who gets killed b/c he fell in love with a transsexual. Its so sad when he gets brutally killed

18 08 2008
Amadeo

I was also sad when I realized that the movie was ending and Boba Fett got away with Han Solo.

But I laugh at the end of Pet Cemetary when the “returned from the dead about to die again kid” is walking down the hall saying, “No Fair, No Fair.”

18 08 2008
Tamz

Ok……I was about to admit crying to a certain music video but I am way too ashamed of myself so instead I’ll say I cried to Aaron Hall’s I Miss You as well. Although, watching it recently on Youtube, I have to admit I laughed when Aaron Hall found out and collapsed all dramatic-cunt like in the hospital.

18 08 2008
ishouldbeworking

I spent the better part of my weekend coloring in a Strawberry Shortcake coloring book. It wasn’t as enjoyable as I would have liked it to be because somebody got me for my Crayolas. It’s only a 24 pack but the sucky 64 pack Sargent Art ones that I was using didn’t have nothing on my Crayolas. The Baby Blue, Sky Blue, and Light Blue all looked the same. My sister thinks I’m bougie because I prefer Crayola. She just made because I know how to appreciate the finer things in life.

“Yesterday” was a heartbreaker. Girlfriend was a much better one than me caring for her husband after he cheated on and lied to her. Not big on foreign films but when I did my stint in Mexico “El Crimen del padre Amaro” and “Maria Full of Grace” were good too. I don’t ever have to see “The Passion” again.

I also went to see “The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants 2” (I know I know) and this 2520 woman was bawling at the closing credits complete with tissues and sniffles. The look on her husbands face was almost as entertaining as the movie itself.

18 08 2008
The Doc Is In

LOL, dangit Ne why you laughing at me, that was sad! That was his only companion in the world! And in retrospect, it was also sad because the movie went to complete shit after that scene.

18 08 2008
Amadeo

@ Yonnie3K

Everyone I know who saw him at Rock the Bells might disagree with you…actually no…they would disagree flat out.

18 08 2008
I'm here

Cant forget “Of Mice and Men” when George kills Lennie

18 08 2008
Cheekie

Jen, I’m with ya on crying at Disney movies as an adult. I BAWLED at the end of Monster’s Inc when Scully brought Boo back to her house and then left…and Boo ran to the closet door to find he wasn’t there and was all, “Kitty?”. Waterworks!

Oooh, I Am Sam! That movie is just as sad as it is hilarious. Like when he went to that Bob’s Burgers (or whatever it was called) place and asked for IHOP items. And when Sam wanted that specific item, the woman said they didn’t had it and he BLEW UP. She said she’d ask her manager and then Sam blurted out, “Yeah, ask Bob!”, which was the damn mascot. I was in TEARS from laughing. But, I cried sad tears also when that devil prosecutor bullied Sam to tears and it looked like he was gonna lose his daughter. Aw.

18 08 2008
tp2

umm, nothing wrong with perferring Crayolas…all the others are too waxy and leave chukns when you color with them. BOOOOOOO…

another one that makes me cry-steel magnolias when julia roberts dies and sally fields is crying at the funeral…OMG its so funny at the same time.

no? ok…lol…

18 08 2008
sarah

aww man, Mos Def. don’t remind me.
Black on Both Sides – the realest
The New Danger – tremendous fail 😦 although the cut The Panties is my favorite single off the album

did anyone else cry during the movie Powder. no? 😳

18 08 2008
TomatoHead

Vanita I can’t cry with ‘tard movies for some reason. I think it’s because I know those people aren’t really retarded and that makes me angry.

Although I did cry during What’s Eating Gilbert Grape? I totally thought Leo was a tard until I saw him talking in real life and I was like, ftw?

18 08 2008
Yonnie3k

Nuh-uh Tamz! Spit it out. What video did you cry at?

18 08 2008
Jen

Okay – I have a question.

When Tom Hanks jumps in the water after Wilson in Castaway.

Is that SUPPOSED to be the funniest moment ever captured on film?

18 08 2008
Yonnie3k

The New Danger was a tremendous fail? I LOOOOOVVVEEEE that album!!

18 08 2008
TomatoHead

Jen….I’m sorry to say but I was Crying with a capital C when Tom Hanks lost Wilson. I was fucked up after that part because it was his only companion and it was a fucking volleyball and even the volleyball left him. I mean damn. It was even more sad to me to watch this guy freak the fuck out because he lost a volleyball. Like…complete mental breakdown.

18 08 2008
ishouldbeworking

I can’t even watch Armagedon. I cry at the Aerosmith video for “I Don’t Want to Miss a Thing” so I’d be a mess watching the actual movie. I loved “I Am Sam.” What happened to Dakota Fanning. She disappeared after that horse movie.

18 08 2008
Tamz

@ Yonnie3k:

Immature-Please Don’t Go

*runs off*

18 08 2008
Yonnie3k

cheekie – you gonna make me have to go home and watch I Am Sam. I’ve seen it before, but I don’t remember that part. Sean Penn is extremely underrated. The scene in Mystic River when he finds out his daughter is dead? Wow.

18 08 2008
Esquire

oh yea, you did curse. I was laughing at the yellow part that the cussing didnt register.

@ The Doc
my husband cried at that part. After laughing so damn hard. It caused a BIG argument after the movie. I was thinking I had married this sensitive man who never ceases to surprise me, and this coon is wiping his tears of laughter away. That shit was so sad when he had to kill that dog. He also thought it was hilarious that Will Smith talked to the mannequins afterward.

18 08 2008
Cheekie

“When Tom Hanks jumps in the water after Wilson in Castaway.

Is that SUPPOSED to be the funniest moment ever captured on film?”

You’re gonna crack the hell up at me because I cried during that scene. When he’s lying on his back mourning the loss of Wilson.

I was crying — and at the same time — saying to myself, “The fuck am I crying for a damn volleyball for?” and then cried some more. Again, with the manipulation. HOW the hell did a movie just make me cry over a damn ball?Did it have characterization or something? What’s going on, Marvin Gaye? What’s going on?!

I guess know damn well I’m extra sensitive.

18 08 2008

“Oooh, I Am Sam! That movie is just as sad as it is hilarious. Like when he went to that Bob’s Burgers (or whatever it was called) place and asked for IHOP items. And when Sam wanted that specific item, the woman said they didn’t had it and he BLEW UP. She said she’d ask her manager and then Sam blurted out, “Yeah, ask Bob!”, which was the damn mascot. I was in TEARS from laughing. But, I cried sad tears also when that devil prosecutor bullied Sam to tears and it looked like he was gonna lose his daughter. Aw.”

:CRYING WITH LAUGHTER!!!!!!!!!!1:

18 08 2008
Esquire

Mystic River!!!! That movie WAS THE SHIT.

18 08 2008

:CLEARS THROAT:

“BEACHES??”

18 08 2008
sarah

aww, Yonnie no! even Mos Def himself has alluded to the fact that he is done. he only put out The New Danger because he had to.

Maria Full of Grace was a great movie! i love Catalina Moreno. she was in Fast Food Nation too.

on Disney Movies, and MGM/Warner Bros. cartoons, they were geniuses. somehow they manage to have adult themes that kids miss. thats what makes them so timeless. i watch classic cartoons to this day and see them so differently than when i watched them as a kid. some of them had very risqué overtones.

18 08 2008
Esquire

I also cried when watching Toy Story. When the Space dude realized he couldnt fly.

damn man.

18 08 2008

“Jen….I’m sorry to say but I was Crying with a capital C when Tom Hanks lost Wilson. I was fucked up after that part because it was his only companion and it was a fucking volleyball and even the volleyball left him. I mean damn. It was even more sad to me to watch this guy freak the fuck out because he lost a volleyball. Like…complete mental breakdown.”

YOU GUYS ARE FUCKING KILLING ME…Is it that funny or am I being extra goofy today?

18 08 2008
Omar

the volleyball didn’t leave him he LOST it.

18 08 2008
Yonnie3k

The song Hero by Enrique Iglesias always makes me cry – but that’s only b/c right after 9/11/01, the radio station had this mix where laced into the song were soundbites from the news coverage of people recounting their experiences in NYC. So the song always reminds me of that day and all the chaos that ensued and how we were all (once again) reminded that we are not guaranteed another day.

18 08 2008

@ Yonnie3k:

Immature-Please Don’t Go

*runs off*
———————————————-

18 08 2008

yonnie was it me or was mystic river kind of eerie?

18 08 2008
ishouldbeworking

Come back Tamz! This just made my Monday 🙂

18 08 2008
TomatoHead

OK Omar…he lost the volleyball. Jeez. 😛

18 08 2008
Esquire

Omar,

would you shut the hell up, pointing out the obvious. the ball left HIM. lol

18 08 2008

Why everytime I hear “keep your head up”- Tupac I cry

18 08 2008
Yonnie3k

aww, Yonnie no! even Mos Def himself has alluded to the fact that he is done.

Can I get a link?

18 08 2008
Cheekie

Even though I cried when Wilson left, I had to laugh at the fact he was SMILING as he floated away. Either it was a “Ha! I’ve escaped, bitch!” smile or one of those sage “You will be alright, grasshopper” smile. Either way I had to giggle at that one.

18 08 2008
B4Prez

Dakota Fanning is somewhere being grown…probably chillin with Lindsay Lohan and them. SMH…never trust a child actor.

18 08 2008
Jen

Okay movie/song that made me cry:

The Way We Were

Why Barbara Streissand gotta be so REAL?

18 08 2008
Tamz

@ ishouldbeworking

You can’t tell me that boy wasn’t showing raw emotion! LOL!!

18 08 2008
Esquire

on that note cheekie. im out. you all have a grrrrrreat Monday

18 08 2008
Lia

Life is Beautiful is among one of my favorite films. We watched it in my world history class in hs. Schindler’s List has been an all time favorite since I saw it in 8th grade in another history class. The red dres, the score…I was done. I didn’t think anyone elsehad ever seen Sarafina outside of my family because nobody I know has seen it. I just assumed since my fam is African, that’s why we had seen it.

Oh and the Jamaican sprinters…ridiculous! Usain Bolt is my new hero because he sure did stroll through that finish line for the 100, and in his 200 he looked like he was barely trying when he came in 2nd, I don’t even wanna know what him at full speed would have been. That being said, I was really excited to see that my personal best 100 time(11 flat*) was on par with the Olympians.

*it should be known I ran an 11 flat ONCE, but I will steady talk about it til the day I die lol

18 08 2008
Dekela

I went to see Jarhead with a female friend and she became sad at the part where the horses walk by covered in oil…. She said that was the saddest part in the movie..

I was like WTF, soldiers going thru all this shit and you care about a damn horse?

Her response: the soldiers signed up to be there, but the horse didn’t have a choice…..

18 08 2008
BenAfficial

Sorry but “In too Deep”. When God (LL cool J) shoved that pull stick up his boys’ rear, I jsut teared the hell up instant like (shove- “think about her”; shove, turn, shove; “think about her”. I also involuntarily squoze my cheeks together. That scene and the knife shanking rape scene in the movie American Me will make any grown man cry.

*shivers at the thought

18 08 2008
Jen

“Even though I cried when Wilson left, I had to laugh at the fact he was SMILING as he floated away.”

This is what got me and my sister. I wanted to tell Tom that love don’t love him; love don’t care.

18 08 2008
Cheekie

Esquire: Wait, wait…what? lol

18 08 2008
ishouldbeworking

@Tamz. It definately took me back especially the matching outfits! I remember being all in love and matching with my boo!

18 08 2008
Yonnie3k

Nobody cared to tell me that I had already missed the City of God convo? That’s cool.

18 08 2008
Omar

Honestly “Tha Crossroads” video was kind of sad

18 08 2008
Jen

Okay….to shift the convo a little…the most disturbing thing I have ever seen on film is the rape scene in Irreversible.

It was entire too real for no reason. I cried and paused the movie to yell at the person who recommended it to me.

18 08 2008
blackberry molasses

okay.. i also suck for crying at the end of House of Flying Daggers… but that movie was the shiznit.

abt black on both sides… the reason I love that album (besides the fact that it was just GOOD) was that back in my TFA days when I played Mr. Nigga for my classroom full of “i- don’t- give- a- shit- about- school- ignint- mess- loving” students and made them actually LISTEN to the words, they were so motivated to do better in my class, it actually brought tears to my eyes… students loved my class because it was the class where they could come and listen to rap-er, hip hop- in school. and they actually LEARNED some stuff too… do what it takes to get the childrens to learn

18 08 2008
I'm here

Crossroads creeped me out especially when that old man’s eyes turns black

Wait what was this blog about again? lol

18 08 2008
ishouldbeworking

I miss my Uncle Charles y’all!

Have a good evening people….

18 08 2008

It’s a bunch of pussies on sbph. We are all cry babies.

18 08 2008
TomatoHead

What the hell? What is In Too Deep and why is a father(?) shoving a pole up his child’s butt whilst talking about thinking about a chick?

18 08 2008
BenAfficial

lol @tomato-
LL was playin a drug dealer named God and he did that to his best friend for flirting with his baby’s mom

18 08 2008
Yonnie3k

Oh- somehow, I remember talking abou this on here before – but I cried in Roll Bounce when Bow Wow busted up that car. Does that make you feel better Tamz?

18 08 2008
Dark IS Beautiful

Dang all taht just for flirting? sheesh!

18 08 2008
Omar

“Okay….to shift the convo a little…the most disturbing thing I have ever seen on film is the rape scene in Irreversible.”

The most disturbing thing I’ve ever seen on film is the sex scene with Halle and Billy Bob in Monster’s Ball…

“Make me feel good” **SMH**

…she set black people bak 20 yrs with that mess.

18 08 2008
Cheekie

Aw, man, Crossroads was SCARY. That old man’s eyes that turn black haunted me for years. Damn, The Box. Ya’ll remember that channel? 24/7 music (puts the current MTV to SHAME) where you call in to request videos and “Crossroads” and “Hay” (Crucial Conflict) was ALL they played? I loved it. Or was that just a local thing in Chicago?

18 08 2008
Dark IS Beautiful

I teared up when Ricky got shot in “Boyz In the Hood” The couch scene took me over the edge

18 08 2008
Omar

Tha Crossroads was the number 1 video on The Box for like a year and a half.

18 08 2008
Vanita

Crossroads was sad…and I remember when one of my sisters friends died, were were singing crossroads HARD and cryin.
RIP DeAngelo!

18 08 2008
Vanita

OMG!!! i used to be SOO pressed when Hay came on…and once I realized what they were talkin about I liked even more…

18 08 2008
Dark IS Beautiful

@Omar Hell yea it pissed me off but it was funny as hell to me and quite disturbing….EWWWWW!

18 08 2008
Tamz

@Yonnie3k:
Yes. Yes it does.

@ All:
Off the top of my head, the most disturbing scene I can think of is the stripper/dildo/oh the humanity scene in Requiem For A Dream

@Cheekie: I think I was in 8th grade when Hay came out……..why were we all so crunk over that song?

18 08 2008
Yonnie3k

Why you hittin’ me fo”! Why you hittin’ me! I’m tryna get the baby. He don’t need to be seein’ all ‘lis!!

You Dough! Why she hit you man?

18 08 2008
Cheekie

Yeah, “Hay” was the shit! And they just started playing that again on the radio over here. I was GEEKED when I heard it in the car. “…and my head is spinnin’!” LOVE!

18 08 2008
B4Prez

I always wondered why everyone was so disgusted by Halle Berry in Monster’s Ball. If any1 would like to explain, please do. We know her character wasn’t a ‘strong black woman’ and she’s no Angela Bassett, but was it really that serious at the end of the day.

18 08 2008
Yonnie3k

this isn’t along the same lines, but the most disturbing thing I’ve ever seen in a movie was that damn movie Hostel. THE WHOLE MOVIE!! Some things…you just can’t come back from. And to this day, I refuse to see the Saw movies.

18 08 2008
Jen

rotfl @ “ass to ass”

18 08 2008
Yonnie3k

I went to FAMU – I don’t really see what the hype is about our marching band – but I LOVE LOVE LOVE when they play(ed) Hay

18 08 2008
Vanita

LMAO @ Ass to ASs! that was a disturbing ass movie. Motivated me not to take drugs. I made my lil sister watch it too.

18 08 2008

Dark IS Beautiful (21:11:25) :

I teared up when Ricky got shot in “Boyz In the Hood” The couch scene took me over the edge

LOLOL

18 08 2008
Dark IS Beautiful

@B4Prez-Well what creeped me out was that he’s really old and she’s young. It was like picturing my grandpa with a 20 year old or something…YUCK!!

18 08 2008
TomatoHead

Apparently I don’t watch a lot of movies with man-rape in them…the only one I remember was American History X. I’ve only watched that movie once although it was very good I’m just not the type to enjoy jail rape or any kind of rape scene.

By the way, I didn’t think halle berry/billy bob thorton sex scene was THAT bad. People make it out to be way worse than it is. Out of context it just looks stupid and like she’s a skank. I dunno…I didn’t really like Monster’s Ball (Stupid title, I hate hate hate that title) but that sex scene is way overhated I think.

18 08 2008
B4Prez

Requiem for a Dream was all kinds of fukd up. The craziest part to me was when the grandma started freaking out n thought tv’s and fridges were coming to set it on her. That shit had me thinkin’ I was high. Giving the fridge the side-eye all night and sht…

18 08 2008
Jen

Dark is Beautiful, please never see Last Tango in Paris.

18 08 2008
Dark IS Beautiful

@Jen-normally stuff like that doesnt freak me out, I think its just the fact that its Billy Bob

18 08 2008
B4Prez

Tomato – ‘Apparently I don’t watch a lot of movies with man-rape in them’

LOLOL

18 08 2008
Vanita

the score in requiem for a dream is beautiful.

18 08 2008
B4Prez

And wtf is Ass to Ass? Sumthin about that title just doesn’t sit well with my soul.

18 08 2008
Yonnie3k

LMAO @ the angry black woman. I’d be mad too if I lived in Kalamazoo.

18 08 2008
TomatoHead

Yonnie: The first Saw is great. There is some gore but it’s mostly about tricking people and surprises and such. The subsequent Saw movies are all just gore, torture and more gore. I watched the second one and I felt sick to my stomach. My gummi bears were coming back up and that pissed me off.

18 08 2008
Cheekie

I’m sorry, but…

Ass to Ass? The hell could that possibly be about besides porn? I mean, does it have some deep storyline because if so? It would make my Monday.

18 08 2008
Vanita

Watch requiem for a dream
you’ll feel so dirty
‘ass to ass…yeah! ass to ass!”

18 08 2008
Tamz

LMAO! Ass-to-Ass is from Requiem For A Dream.

18 08 2008
Jen

“Ass to Ass” refers to a scene in Requiem for a Dream wherein two drug-addicted prostitutes are hired to simultaneously have anal sex with a double-ended dildo as a crowd of men watch screaming, “Ass to ass!”

18 08 2008
Cheekie

Ohhhhhh! Right. Well…damn.

*disappointed that Ass to Ass isn’t the title of a movie* I mean, like what if it was like, a Lifetime movie?

18 08 2008
Dark IS Beautiful

Wow thats crazy

18 08 2008
sarah

Lifetime movies are out of hand.

but speaking on disturbing sex scenes, foreign films are the worst. they leave no stone unturned. the show full rape scenes, incest, you name it. most of it is hard to watch cause its so… raw. besides, they’ve re-introduced unsimulated sex back into movies.

18 08 2008
B4Prez

LMAO @ ass to ass… i remember that now.

That sht is hilarious!!! Might be a leading contender for the funniest chant i’ve ever heard.

18 08 2008
Dustin

I like ass-to-ass.

18 08 2008
Blacker

There were too many to read. But, what about the gays who compare their plight to the plight of being black in America??

18 08 2008
Dustin

I can’t lie. I get angry when “the gays” do that. Here’s why:

Usually the subtext isn’t “discrimination against homosexuals is wrong, let’s turn to our african american fellow citizens and look at how they’ve struggled in the past to show you, the oppressor, how your current discrimination against us is wrong.”

No, the subtext is usually – jut like everyone else – “I’m tired of hearing black people lcomplain about how bad they’ve had it. That’s all in the past.”

The fact of the matter is that very few non-black people can understand the long, long, long, long-term effects of institutionalized racism and the distinct way it affects black people.

I’m not saying discrimination against anyone else is right – by any means; I’m just saying that other minority groups should stop saying “what if he said the ‘n’ word?” It’s not a contest. It’s apples and oranges. [If it were a contest Black people would still “win.”]

Ugh. Black people don’t generally like the gays and the gays don’t like the black people. And I’m Christian. And a lawyer. No wonder I’m also an alcoholic. all of my identities hate each other. My head is like that scene from Anchorman where all of the different newsteams have a rumble.

18 08 2008
Muse

Wow we didn’t break into a conversation about sex. Good job everyone.

BTW has anyone see Lust Caution? OH MY GOD. Go rent the film…

18 08 2008
TomatoHead

Lust Caution? That sounds like porn…

18 08 2008
Amadeo

KIDS was a fucked up film as well.

18 08 2008
Tea

Figure 2 has me steaming because that really is the way some think.

I attended the DNC committee meeting on the Florida and Michigan vote. When the ruling came down I had to listen to those YT harpies screeeech and carry-on about their votes being stolen. One of those heffas had the nerve to step to me and a couple of other black people and tell us we stole their votes. I’m like “at least you got half, you weren’t even supposed to get that. Pay back is a bitch!”
And I’m sure you’ve seen that nut on youtube, talking about for the first time in her life she felt like a second class citizen (she meant, nigger) because of that decision.

18 08 2008
sarah

Kids was so sad 😦
the ending was something serious
also, in the same vein was the movie Kidulthood

18 08 2008
Muse

Tea please tell me you are joking? How the hell did you or any of the other Black people steal votes?

18 08 2008
Leo

@Muse. Can you recommend any business/finance book? and don’t stop listing some of the good book you have read, thanks.

18 08 2008
Leo

sorry for changing the subject

18 08 2008
Amadeo

I see white people.

18 08 2008
Tea

Beats me. It wasn’t about the vote for some of those people that were there. When white people don’t get their way their true colors come out (literally, those mofo’s were beet red, I got kind of scared for a minute) she was just lashing out and letting her true feelings be known.

18 08 2008
TomatoHead

I hated Kids…it’s such a “scare the adults” type movie. And it was just so unnecessary to show what looked like basically children having sex. I’m sure the pedophiles were way into that movie.

18 08 2008
Amadeo

Maybe but it was real to me. Especially later in life when I did a survey of when people lost their virginity….that was scary.

18 08 2008
Saun

I just saw this on a friends blog. It’s perfect for today’s topic and kind of funny.

http://video.236.com/services/link/bcpid1612766543/bctid1731277029

19 08 2008
Amadeo

LOL “Reverse Race Card!”

19 08 2008
Muse

Leo,

For starters check out Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins, The intelligent Investor by Benjamin Graham, When Genius Failed: The Rise and Fall of Long-Term Capital Management by Roger Lowenstein, The Essays of Warren Buffett: Lessons for Corporate America, When Genius Failed: The Rise and Fall of Long-Term Capital Management by Roger Lowenstein.

There are a lot of other books but those are the ones I recommend. If you are looking for something specific let me know. I refuse to recommend cliche books like Rich Dad Poor Dad…It’s like dude are we in 1st grade?

19 08 2008
Ms. Sula

@Muse… Lust Caution made me revise my definition of sexy… That little man had some serious moves… Didn’t help with my strange attraction to Asian guys..

I’m dead @ “Accounts Receivable Card”…. Hi-friggin-larious!

19 08 2008
Startariot

KIDS depressed the fuck outta me for a couple days. I only recently rented it off netflix and it killed me a little inside. But I still think the last 15 minutes of Requiem For a Dream were the most disturbing shit ever put on celluloid. I sat there for a good 10 minutes after the credits ended in front of my monitor, hyperventilating, tearing up, scared to move.

19 08 2008
Nice

“By the way, Milwaukee=home of America’s Black Holocaust Museum

(I put on for my city) ”

Dido

19 08 2008
Startariot

Oh, and that freak baby in Eraserhead. I was fallin asleep on that movie then BAM. E.T. in a diaper with chicken pox appears.

19 08 2008
Angry IV

You all watch some wack movies….?

19 08 2008
nelo

I say that schools should stop wasting money with the DARE program and make seventh graders watch Requiem for a Dream. I Co-Sign with anyone that shuddered/puked/turned away from the Ass to Ass scene. God have mercy.

19 08 2008
Nice

When I was in HS this White girl got all up in arms over a comment the teacher made about Blacks having to struggle and go thru more than Whites. The teacher was mostly referring to Jim Crow. She was like “Well Whites struggle too. I grew up poor. I dont understand why Blacks feel like theyre the only people who go thru hard times and struggle”.

I have come across too many White folks that feel that they can compare their struggle to that of Blacks. Or are quick to yell reverse racism if the phrase “white boy” comes out of someones mouth. Now I have seen some reverse racism take place, but it is never as severe as what Blacks and other minorites have had to endure.

19 08 2008
Leo

@Muse. Thank you so much. I read Rich Dad Poor Dad and you are right about being for beginners.

19 08 2008
Nice

The most tearjerking and depressing movie I have ever watched has to be Rosewood. I cried long after the movie was over. Not to mention I was mad a White people for a long time.

19 08 2008
letinstar

reverse racism??!! what’s that? don’t you know every successful black person is that way because the of affirmative action…and i live in boston, which has a proud and high concentration of “irish people”..these are the same people that threw rocks at black kids in school buses and up until very recently, there were entire towns you couldn’t go into unless you wanted to die…

19 08 2008
shabooty

damn i just burped and still have thai kapow beef breath at 12:30am.
sigh
=P

19 08 2008
Kit (Keep It Trill)

Well said.

19 08 2008
Boss Lady

http://www.diverseeducation.com/artman/publish/article_7782.shtml

interesting study……and proves that 2520 delusionment or forgetfulness is real

19 08 2008
dc_diva

you know what pisses me the fuck off….

when white people say shit like “why do black people get to have black history month?? why don’t we have a white history month???”

ANWSER: Cause that’s every day of the mutha fuckin’ year, you cracka ass cracka!!!!!

19 08 2008
ViK

I’m late to the discussion, but Crash was an awesome movie 😉

19 08 2008
ViK

@Vanita – “But the irish were worse off than black people AT ONE POINT. Signs advertising for jobs used to state NO IRISH WANTED, blacks ok”

Curious – was this BEFORE the minimum wage laws were passed? I ask that because when Blacks worked for less, they were more desirable than any type of white person who would demand more money

19 08 2008
overit

dc diva, you aint lying, right when i thought i was “over it” (or at least convinced myself i was) here comes all the stuff i also hate.

im not sure if chris is joking or not, but thinking about this crap really IS enough to make a person lose their damn mind. and drinking is not an option so i’m always looking for creative ways to cope..NOT suicide chris lol.

19 08 2008
ViK

Yonnie3k (18:13:30) :

Esquire:

Ive had white people say in my law class that because I got in thier friends did not. Um…I got a 160 on the LSAT. I had a 4.0. I passed the bar the first go round. WTF did you do?

YES!! That’s the ish I’m talking about. Someone said something similar to me once and I had to let them know. People assume that affirmative action means that unqualified or undeserving people will get jobs/scholarships/etc. NO! It means that someone who IS qualified will get a fair chance instead of being pass over for their lesser qualified, but melanin challenged, and wealthier competition – can you say George W. Bush?

Hold the phone – black people READ???????? Here’s my beef with the racist liberal, wholesome media when it comes to affirmative action cases. There’s a huge hoopla over why Jenny didn’t get into U Mich, but 34 porch monkeys with lower SAT scores and GPAs did. For some off reason, you never here how the lawsuit ends. Know why? The school almost always wins. On what grounds? There were 34 ignit negroes in the class, all attending on ATHLETIC scholarships. oh, by the way, over 500 white males with lower SAT scores/GPAs got in too.

19 08 2008
ViK


Knatural (18:38:06) :

it sucked so much to be irish that we made the decision to become white.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA…

This made me think of Jack Cafferty saying women who use birth control pills made a “lifestyle choice.” I’m comforted to know that I chose to have menstrual difficulties, and therefore, can choose not to. His inability to achieve a boner, however, should be subsidized.

19 08 2008
VoiceOfReason

Black people can never stay on topic.

Crayons… really?

GTFO

19 08 2008
dc_diva

movies that make me cry:

when the levees broke
roots
queen
i am sam
schindler’s list
the color purple ***i cry EVERYTIME at the END***
yesterday
the band played on
the passion of christ
pan’s labyrinth
sleepers….when they kill rizzo…damn shame!

i remember when people were crying when biggie and tupac died…. i was like “yall didn’t know them” but i was young and dumb, an didn’t know any better….

19 08 2008
Mayo is DEFINATELY disgusting!

I told my co-worker that I BELIEVED (not practiced) Black Nationalism and my reasons for doing so. She (a white woman) asked me, ” Isn’t that kinda racist?” WOW! So financially relying on your OWN people and striving to be independent of a European influenced way of living is “racist”??! It’s so mind-boggling that white people, or any pro-European person for that matter, believes that anything opposite of the European culture is bad/negative.

Knowledge is power man. Had that dumdass knew and read that we were once kings and queens, a people who created mathematics and science and who birthed civilization and spirituality, she would KNOW why Black Nationalists want no part in this chaotic, westernized, European influenced hell-hole!

I do like SMART and socially conscious white ppl though 😀

19 08 2008
aimlessfrolicking

i actually attend u of m (and i’m from kalamazoo, strange coincidence) and affirmative action is such a touchy issue there. ann arbor is not as liberal as everyone assumes.

it’s so fcking annoying when non-black wolverines ask me if i’m from detroit or subtly insinuate that i’m here because of aa. i worked my (black) ass off in HS and got into columbia too but went to michigan because of the kalamazoo promise scholarship so they can fck off.

the backwoods rednecks and metropolitan-detroit yuppies got their way because affirmative action is banned. so all the legacies and relatives of those on the admissions board will receive their campus day postcards instead of rejections.

and they can feel justified in their racist thoughts about blacks when the only black students left are those on athletic scholarships.

19 08 2008
Siobhan/Hipployta

When the levees Broke made me cry too.

Affirmative Action always made sense to me since legacies and connections do the same thing.

I’m military…I was accepted to Rutgers on my own merits BUT got in-state tuition because I’m stationed in Jersey. Same concept and I personally approve particulary since the current GI Bill and military TA does not cover my in-state bill as it is (the new one will).

beautiful kisses
Siobhan

19 08 2008
MiracleMax

WOW some of the ignorant comments are amazing….

First off, there is no such thing as “reverse racism” because that is an oxymoron. There is either racism or there isnt. If white people are hated in say, Iraq, is that reverse racism? no its just racism.

Second, you cant seriously add the jews to that list. The jews have been hated by pretty much everyone for about, oooh since forever. If people have even read anything about jewish history they would know they were not only slaves for 2000 years, but have been kicked out of every european/north african/middle eastern country at least once in history. Also, slavery in north america was terrible, but if you think about it, would you rather be picking some cotton or getting gassed in a chamber? Over 6 million jews were killed in 5 years, black people were at least valuable enough to be kept alive (by what ever strand they were holding on) and used, slaves owners did not just kill slaves for fun, because they were seen as life time workers, so the owners would have wanted to get the most use out of them. The jews really didnt have that luxury, they were just killed.

Third, Most white people in the US have a high probability for having some irish in them (probably because the poor irish lacked some sort of contraception). But the irish hating thing fazed out with the hatred of the catholics, and white people realizing they were part irish. Also, JFK helped put a complete stop for any irish/catholic hating left. Im guessing Obama will be similar…..so once people stop having blacks…..who will they hate then? Probably asians, after this olympics and all the medals they are winning, it will piss everyone off and i think i will start it…”they have soo many asians, would it make that much of a difference if we killed like, 1 or 2 or 300 million of them?, im bet they would love it, it would free up alot of the tokyo parking.”

19 08 2008
Omar

“By the way, I didn’t think halle berry/billy bob thorton sex scene was THAT bad”

Umm, it kind of was because of the imagery and portrayal of black women. Julia Roberts played a prostitute and she didn’t even get it like that on camera. The closest thing I remember to that scene was Christina Ricci in Black Snake Moan but even that seemed less graphic. It was kind of the cinematic equivalent to the ‘credit card booty swipe’ in Tip Drill, except it wasn’t on BET in the middle of the night it was on the big screen.

19 08 2008
JessAKA Rabbitt

Wow Miracle Max…

Reverse Racism may seem oxymoronic, but in reality, it is a poorly worded term for a form of hatred that does exist:

“The term reverse racism was created to imply that dominant groups could be the victims of racism. Racism includes having a certain power in society, power which non-dominant groups do not have. It is a term used consciously or unconsciously to blame and place non-dominant groups back in a targeted position. When dominant groups are discriminated against it is simply “discrimination.”

Jewish Issue:
Judaism and the Holocaust was something that has peeked my interest since i first saw Schindler’s List in elementary school. While you are correct with the enslavement and hatred of the Jewish people for thousands of years, we must keep in mind that racism by skin color is historically new…before the majority started to hate Blacks, or other “skin colors” they hated based on religion…does this justify the Jewish plight? HELL NO…however…we are discussing Reverse Racism in the United States, with some references to the Jewish Holocaust. It is true that Jews and other targeted groups were killed….but so were my ancestors in America…they were lyniched, shot, drown, stabbed and burned…the difference is that this “worth” upon Blacks in America was comparable to the worth of a good mule to a farmer. They were treated like animals (actually worse), being bred to provide work that fuels this economy to this day, although, hundreds of years afterwards, we still are not benefiting as much as we should. And, how often in America today are Jews discriminated against and talked about and treated like rented mules? Think about it because no other ethnic group can relate to the plight of Blacks: stolen from your homeland, sold like merchandise, beaten, raped, systematically breaking down every sense of culture, roots and self-esteem, suddenly “freed”, sharecropping=slavery 3.0, denied rights of a country they helped build, ridiculed and abused in life and MSM to this day, everyday faced with another example of why we will never be as good, smart, beautiful or successful as the white man…then expected to just get over it….

At least the Irish & Jews could assimilate into the white culture (which many did) regardless of the constant rape and breeding with African blood, it is nearly impossible for a Black person to “pass”….even though most of us wouldn’t want toanyway

19 08 2008
Omar

“…black people were at least valuable enough to be kept alive (by what ever strand they were holding on) and used, slaves owners did not just kill slaves for fun, because they were seen as life time workers, so the owners would have wanted to get the most use out of them. The jews really didnt have that luxury, they were just killed. ”

Oh I forgot they just been killing black people for fun from 1865 to umm about 2008 and before that in the north they did kill black people for fun. And no the Jews were not slaves for 2000 yrs you’re going to have to explain the when and where of that one because they were slaves in Egypt according to the Bible for a few generations; out side of the Bible there is no credible historical proof. Then the Jews weren’t the only people killed in the Holocaust over 12 million were systematically eliminated and 6 million Jews were killed. As a matter of fact Hitler issued an order that it was LEGAL to kill Polish people in the street if someone felt like it before they started sending Jews to concentration camps. I’m also sure it was easier to escape from Germany than it was for black folks make it back to Africa.

If your yardstick is most amount of people killed in a shor period of time than we have to say the Japanese were with 220,000 killed in like 3 days. ALso honestly being worked to death and tortured for your entire life isn’t much better than being killed.

19 08 2008
JessAKA Rabbitt

Omar:

How bout a round of applause…standing ovation!

19 08 2008
Amadeo

Beyond those killed in America…which isn’t recorded…there are also no records of how many potential slaves died from Africa through the voyage until they reached Amerian shores. The difference with jews were…people cared enough to even think about it. Meanwhile jews could escape from countries the size of some of our states…being in this country mean brutalization, slavery or death.

19 08 2008
Yonnie3k

Historians, and we know how good their memory is, estimate that roughly 20 million Africans were taken from their homes and sold into slavery. They were stored in dark dingy dungeons (called castles) for months at a time where they lived in their own feces, starved, and were raped. They were shackled, branded, packed into ships like sardines, and fed once daily (if there was enough). And oh yeah ~ they were raped. If they didn’t starve, succumb to disease, get thrown overboard, or die from sheer desperation along the way, they were lucky enough to become slaves.

Half of the 20 million taken from their homes did not make it to “The New World.”

19 08 2008
Landon

That is not even accounting of the number of Africans who fought the british –

a la the ZULUs.

We have not even mentioned South Africa.

Dont get twisted the JEWS had it bad in WWII and would never wish that upon anyone. Both acts were pure evil and each were worst in their own ways. There is no point to have a pissing contest about which was worst.

Nonetheless it was easier for a JEW (not to look like a jew) sadly being black is not something you can easily hide in the face or terrorism (slavery or whatever).

Now one major difference is BLACKS helped defeat the NAZIs in WWII to help the JEWS…

but there is historic proof that jews in 1500 to 1800 were often not allowed to own business and shops in Europe except for banking. Those banks helped financed the companies who were involved in slave trading or insuring their cargo – SLAVES!

19 08 2008
Omar

And therein lies the subtle racism or white forgetfulness.

What did Germany due to Europe that European imperial powers didn’t do to other parts of the world…

All during the Cold War people cried crocodile tears for Eastern Europeans behind the Iron curtain when black people in colonized countries in Africa had it just as bad if not worse.

19 08 2008
Jen

MiracleMax…baby! I will tell you like I told another brother who once came at me with some shit like you just said: while suffering is not a pissing contest, please do not ever discount what your ancestors went through.

“black people were at least valuable enough to be kept alive”

Yeah, dude…the thing about that is that it isn’t true. In many forms of U.S. slavery, slaves were treated well enough to be kept alive, but in the West Indies, it was typically more profitable to work a slave to death and then buy a new one than it was to keep a slave alive. Many more Blacks came into West Indian countries prior to the dissolution of slavery than were recorded as living on its islands when the institution was ended.

Many of our ancestors are West Indian. And I’m not talking about recent West Indian immigrants, either. Both sides of my family are primarily from Louisiana, and there was substantial slave trade and voluntary immigration of Blacks between Haiti (and, to a lesser extent, Dominica) and Louisiana. My family traced at least one ancestor from hundreds of years back as being Dominican.

Please keep things like these in mind in addition to the wisdom above.

19 08 2008
Rosie

I think these kinds of “victim” comparisons are dangerous. Every country has its “out-groups”. Jews and Roma are reviled in must of Eastern Europe; in Italy there have been what are essentially pogroms against Roma in the last few months. In the US, it’s blacks. Racial hierarchies are culturally and historically specific.

That said, the Irish-Black comparison presented here is flat-out wrong. Blacks and Irish were both seen as inhuman and simian at the turn of the last century, but the Irish were 1) able to vote and capture political power in cities, 2) unionize and capture economic power in factories, and 3) serve in the Army with other whites in WWI & II, allowing them to “earn” their place as Americans, and move to the ‘burbs on the GI bill. The point of the “whiteness” literature is that even the most loathed of the ethnic whites was able to capture power in American society because they were not “stained” by blackness.

The last image here says it all: http://www.haverford.edu/engl/faculty/Sherman/Irish/19thc..htm
Would this kind of image appear of the Irish today? No. Blacks? wouldn’t be surprised.

19 08 2008
Tamz

My paternal grandmother’s family line can be traced back to 1800 to the three (white men) from Scotland and England. What is frustrating, and what people don’t understand if you’re not black, is that there’s no way to trace the African part of the lineage. I also take issue with the term ‘African-American’ because our history has been so muffled and muddled.

Oh, and Gawd, When The Levees Broke had me in so many tears. Where Katrina hit isn’t getting much publicity anymore, but most of the places still look like the hurricane just hit.

P.S. Scrotum. Just because.

19 08 2008
JessAKA Rabbitt

When the Leeves Broke made me cry, feel angry and helpless all at once

19 08 2008
Tamz

@ Rosie:

What has happened/is happening with the Roma is fucking terrible. I still wouldn’t compare their plight to the history of black people worldwide because it’s just not the same.

19 08 2008
Rosie

My point is we *shouldn’t* compare. Every country has issues in one way or another and it manifests differently. Even supposedly “homogeneous” countries have out groups. I do think that the case of blacks is unique because of the sheer scale of the redistribution of the population via slavery and imperialism, and how many countries were affected by it, but for countries that were not part of the slave trade (or weren’t even countries when it was happening), there are other issues of xenophobia and ethnocentrism that can erupt into violence.

That said, Europeans drive me crazy with their finger-wagging at the US. Their shit does NOT smell like roses.

19 08 2008
sarah

I think these kinds of “victim” comparisons are dangerous. Every country has its “out-groups”.

my point exactly. this is why i cannot participate in this conversation.

19 08 2008
Edumucated

Toooo sum up everything that has been said in 500 words or less… I took a friend to the Holocaust museum here in Choc City and there is an exhibit on the Nazi Olympics discussing the nazi relation to blacks and propoganda saying aryan and aryan is good… aryan and mixed was ok… mixed and mixed was bad… etc etc… if there were millions of blacks in Germany what do you think would have happened to them. Jews always seem to be the quickest to say I understand your struggle… but they also have the easiest time assimilating (for the most part).

I also have a big issue with African-Americans and Afro-Latino relations. There is such a competition between African-Americans and Latinos about who has/had it worse. I am Afro-Cuban… the descendant of slaves. I could not pass a brown bag test yet I had an African-American man tell me that no Latino could understand being black in America. As someone said very early on… we fight for the crumbs… it is so sad that we need to compete over who has had it worse. A woman who was with us during this argument who is a very light Colombian (courtesy of the conquistedores) decided to throw in a comment about how Slavery existed longer in Latin America and slaves who worked in Panama had it the worst. Why does this argument even take place.

Finally… movies that have not been mentioned yet that have sad moments

The Great Debaters when they see the lynching
Do the Right Thing when Radio Raheem is killed
Set It Off when they all die

19 08 2008
chaoticdiva

1. I don’t know what the hell any of you are talking about.

2. I have one more stinking final today and I’ll be back to freely roam around and instill my reign of terror on the male population in the form of ass-grabs and stereotyping.

3. Next will be a garter.

19 08 2008
JessAKA Rabbitt

Speaking of the Holocaust Museum…

Milwaukee, Wisconsin=home of America’s BLACK Holocaust Museum!!!

(I put on for my city ) 🙂

19 08 2008
chaoticdiva

Edumucated…Its nice to see another Afro-Cuban soul. How are you?

And yes, I agree. I especially hate when black people come up to me and tell me I’m lying about having Latin roots, then they proceed to tell me how I must have one white parent because I speak properly.

19 08 2008
B4Prez

While it IS stupid to argue over who had it worse, the biggest difference btwn these groups is that blacks are the only group to still feel the effects of their oppression so prevalently. Unlike other groups, A

19 08 2008
chaoticdiva

@ B4Prez….because we finally got our equal rights, and then succumbed to materialism and other things that were the downfall of black people (i.e. the stereotypes). Hell, if Mexicans can overcome (and 2520’s hate them more than they hate blacks), why can’t blacks?

Latinos and Middle Easterners get it worse than black people, but instead of them stopping and complaining, they continue to do whatever to fight the stereotypes. Blacks, on the other hand, sit in front of BET and complain about what the hell is ruining society while not doing a damn thing about it. And the worst thing is for most blacks, they are citizens and English is their first language, so they don’t have extra barriers that alot of recent immigrants from Latin America and the Middle East would have.

19 08 2008
B4Prez

While it IS stupid to argue over who had it worse, the biggest difference btwn these groups is that blacks (and Natives) are the only group to still feel the effects of their oppression so prevalently. Unlike other groups, we have been disconnected from out native cultures, and have been forced to adopt the country that treated us like crap. While the holocaust is as bad as any other inhumane treatment, Jews have not experienced the lasting oppression effects the way Blacks have. Everyone knows Jews run the world financially, and you can’t get around how much weight that carries.

I’m not refuting the ills and discrimination Jews have faced, but I’ll be damned if the Jewish massive is going to come up to me talking about how they’re oppressed like Blacks and what not. They definitely need more people for that 1.

19 08 2008
Omar

“And yes, I agree. I especially hate when black people come up to me and tell me I’m lying about having Latin roots,”

@CD – I hate this one the most, I had someone tell me i don’t LOOK Costa Rican, like how the hell would they know, that is like telling someone they don’t look American there isn’t a look.

19 08 2008
chaoticdiva

@ B4Prez…Both North and South America were invaded by the Europeans…just south of the border it was Spain and Portugal…and believe me…most of the traditions (such as staunch Roman Catholicism, a lot of the spices found in foods (for instance, saffron), and the language) were adopted by Latin Americans. Also, don’t forget that Brazil was the last place to end slavery (1888), and there is much more discrimination down there against people who are darker than caramel complected.

@ Omar….smh at people…

19 08 2008
Jen

“Latinos and Middle Easterners get it worse than black people, but instead of them stopping and complaining, they continue to do whatever to fight the stereotypes. Blacks, on the other hand, sit in front of BET and complain about what the hell is ruining society while not doing a damn thing about it.”

Please just stop it.

19 08 2008
Edumucated

@ChaoticDiva… There are a lot more of us than people might think lol… I am good just trying to fight my way through another day of civil litigation in the nations capital… by the way who died that they had a million and 1 police blocking up F St Downtown?

I just feel African-Americans have positioned themselves as not needing anyone else anymore. I remember last year in college everyone wanted the Latinos to participate in Jena 6 rallies but they all turned their head when we asked the black community to support an Immigrant Rights March. I kind of felt the same way with Obama… it was like oh shit we might need a Latino vote or 2 here… si se puente!

As Afro-Latinos we end up in between the cracks… not light enough to fit in with our conquered counterparts… and too Latino to be accepted by the black community.

19 08 2008
JessAKA Rabbitt

I didn’t realize how many Latinos were on here (Black and Puerto Rican right here!) 🙂 anyway, as Omar said, no discriminated group can compare to the plight of Blacks…well, actually, they may be comparable just not as harsh….at least Native Americans (a different story), Jews, Latinos, Asians, European immigrants etc. in the U.S. weren’t FORCED here…I always find it strange how groups whose families IMMIGRATED to this country complain so much, or even worse, have the audacity to look down at the grievances and struggles of the Black community, yes, all citizens should be garaunteed the same rights and freedoms, but dammit, you didn’t have to come here and then to come here and ask i.e. Chaotic Diva, why the only group to be forced here, enslaved, beaten, raped, killed, mentally broken down and still treated that way in some sense, can’t get over it, is so offensive it’s hilarious

19 08 2008
B4Prez

@chaotic – The difference is Blacks aren’t immigrants who see America as some promised land. We built all of the buildings that immigrants come over here to work for pennies in. Trust me, I’m not knocking the hustle. However, black ppl are defeated from generations of not getting anywhere in a land which is always broadcasting prosperity (see: rich ppl) down our throats. It’s an American thing. American society dictates how and what we see and learn. We aren’t going to base it on a comparison to, say, Costa Rican poverty, because that’s not how we get down in America. I’m not making excuses for shiftless negros, but all of that ‘blacks should have done this…, cus the mexicans…’ just doesn’t hold the same weight AT ALL.

Also…whether ur black in America, DR, Columbia or Brazil, the key word is still black. Black is bad…in every country with roots in western slavery.

19 08 2008
chaoticdiva

@ Jen and JessAKA….you do realize that slaves were also taken to Latin America, where alot of those countries (like aforementioned Brazil) freed their slaves AFTER American slaves were freed, and STILL have racial tension in their country, in which so many of them immigrate to the U.S. to avoid.

Did we forget that the U.S. helped free some Latin American countries from European Colonialism in the 20th century? Think Cuba, Panama, Puerto Rico (sort of…)….

19 08 2008
chaoticdiva

…and because of the U.S. helping “free” these countries from colonialism, thats where the idea of the U.S. as a promised land comes from. That and the engraving of the statue of liberty. Besides, the Native Americans down there got fucked just like the ones here did…

My point: the only difference between brown latinos and black people are country of orgin, and often language. Now West Indians…they are a totally different story (thanks to Toussaint L’Overture).

19 08 2008
Jen

Yeah, I’m reasonably familiar with the Black experience in the Americas.

But, your statement was a clear reference to the experiences of those groups in the United States.

And, within this context, it was patently ridiculous.

19 08 2008
JessAKA Rabbitt

CD:

I am absolutely aware of the slave trade within Latin America…but that’s a whole other issue (sort of) and since we are discussing Reverse Racism and race relations in the U.S., that is what I meant…I am pretty sure those of African slave descent in Latin America have struggles very similar to those of Blacks in American with the added concern of a economy that is not flourishing like the U.S. but with the added reality that MANY Latin Americans, look more similar, Latinos come in all shades, but the difference between White Americans and Black Americans skin color is hard to ignore, hard to assimilate (which, historically does play a big role) and easier for the main stream culture to see and thus discriminate against…

By the way, the comparison of Latinos & Middle Easterners “getting out there” while Blacks just “sit in front of BET” was in fact ignorant, racist and i am SMDH

19 08 2008
B4Prez

@edumacated –

Blacks and Latinos still see each other as threats, sadly. Just like in America, the racial constructs all alive and well in Latin countries. So when Latinos come to America, not only do the views travel, but it gets even worse because the blacks here aren’t even from their culture. Abuela is blacker than me, but she doesn’t want her grand-daughter dating me, the ‘prieto’.

Meanwhile, you have blacks who feel threatened that they’re losing jobs and opportunities because of the massive immigration mvmt. The only Latinos, at least on the east coast, who have figured out what lane they’re in (the same 1we’re in) in white America’s eyes, are Puerto Ricans.

The saddest part is that we, blacks n latinos, often tend to live right next door to each other, and still can’t see how often we’re traveling in the same lane.

19 08 2008
Edumucated

The point about Latinos and Middle Easterners… was pretty much my point I was not trying to imply that African-Americans are the only ones who negatively view Afro-Latinos… we choose to ignore our similarities and instead come up with reasons why we are different….

19 08 2008
chaoticdiva

@ Jess…being that I’m also black, I think I have the right to my observation, without it being stated as racist.

Seriously, we jump out there when someone is being wronged, but how many of us actively march on BET and tell them to shut it down because of its negative portrayal of blacks? How many of us have gone out there working in the community to be positive role models for inner city black youth? How many of us have gotten up and made a difference without someone having to do us wrong first?

I can say that I have, I still continue to do so, and I’m an advocate for other people doing so. And I do it without it being a requirement for an organization, or a class or anything like that.

I think that gives me the right to speak my piece, since I’m from an area that has a high concentration of blacks, and at most of the volunteer events I’ve gone to (Including relay for life), I haven’t seen one black organization, or large numbers of blacks in attendance.

19 08 2008
JessAKA Rabbitt

“the U.S. helping “free” these countries from colonialism, thats where the idea of the U.S. as a promised land comes from”

We need to fix HOME first…shit how you gone bring somebody else into your house and give them a better life when your children are starving and illiterate?!

How the hell did America think it could garauntee a promiseland to the freed people of colonialism when the African slaves that BUILT this country on stolen INDIAN land, are NOT free….we are not free mentally or socioeconomically…just watch T.V., pick up a magazine…we have been systematically beaten down to the point that you can barely go to a BLACK Entertainment Television network and find a BLACK woman (Latinos, however are all on that station SMH), everything that is Black is deemed wrong, unclean, evil-just look up the definition…we are still enslaved, I don’t care what anyone says, at least Latinos in the U.S. know where the fuck they came from, still keep their names, etc….i’m getting mad

19 08 2008
chaoticdiva

amen @ Edumucated.

Honestly, I think people would understand the issue better if they grew up between 2 or more cultures that clash at times.

19 08 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

I am laughing so hard I think my jaw is about to fall into my lap.

19 08 2008
chaoticdiva

@ Jess…let me tell you something about my experience as a Latino.

My family came here during the 20’s and because blacks were higher up than latinos, they didn’t allow my grandmother and her brother to speak spanish from shame. My dad, and his side of the family is ashamed to be Cuban. AND I have a grandmother that hates me simply because I claim my Cuban roots. I have the most americanized name ever, and its probably one of the most common names. My family changed their last names, and tried to integrate with blacks in New York, despite the fact they eat Cuban food, and are all Roman Catholic.

Stop assuming about a culture until you’ve lived and dealt with it. Trust, I had to go through life being lied to about my ethnicity, not being able to figure out why most of the food in my cabinet had spanish labels and why I didn’t fit in with the other brown kids out here (because my area is either black or white…not much diversity growing up). I lived through being taunted by black kids for being different, being hated by white kids (I was called “nigger” by another 5 year old in kindergarden), and not having the luxury of growing up with anything from my culture, not even salsa music, not the language, just food which I was lied to and told that it was Soul Food.

Now you’re upsetting me.

19 08 2008
JessAKA Rabbitt

CD

I grew up between Black and Puerto Rican cultures…anyway, i didn’t call you racist, but the statement was…why the hell the Black people gotta be sitting in front of BET doing nothing?! IDK…that was just sadly funny to me…and yes, it’s possible to say racist things about a culture you belong to…

Anyway, i do a lot in my community as well, sure anyone can say anything on the internet as to what they do and don’t do and even who they are…everyone has a right to voice their opinions=the beauty of an anonymous blog, right?

Anyway, Chris…what’s so funny?! lol

19 08 2008
Rosie

“Did we forget that the U.S. helped free some Latin American countries from European Colonialism in the 20th century? Think Cuba, Panama, Puerto Rico (sort of…)….”

The US “freed” Caribbean countries from Colonialism because WE wanted complete control over the Western Hemisphere, especially its shipping lanes. And we “freed” Panama from Colombia because we wanted to control the canal zone. A running joke is that you can tell where there has been massive US intervention in the region by which countries prefer baseball to soccer…

19 08 2008
Edumucated

Jess… “least Latinos in the U.S. know where the fuck they came from, still keep their names, etc” Not if they are the descendants of slaves in their own country. An African who was brought to Cuba on the same boats as the ones that carried slaves to the US does not know where he/she is from any more than your ancestors did. If you move to England do you all of a sudden know where you came from and keep your name because you came from the US? You still are a “Smith” named after the white man who once owned your family and you can still not trace your roots back further than a few generations. If people want to shake their head at something it should be the fact that we cant recognize how similar our histories are. I am not complaining about coming to the United States and struggling to make it. As Cubans my parents were naturalized as soon as they stepped foot in Florida… I am talking about that I am Black… and I am Cuban… am I therefore unable to understand what it is like to be Black in America because my parents do not speak English and I am Bilingual? Because my family harvested sugarcane and not cotton. When I go into an interview I am not only a black man, but I am a black man with a Spanish name so I am not only dangerous and most likely a criminal… but also an illegal immigrant.

19 08 2008
chaoticdiva

@ Rosie…I wasn’t saying why the U.S. did it, I was saying how it looked to the people in those countries, as to why they wanted to immigrate to the U.S.

19 08 2008
JessAKA Rabbitt

Chaotic…I meant no PERSONAL offense, when I said “I’m getting mad” I was refererring to the white Americans which have historically twirked OUR minds-you didn’t say enough to make me Hulk-out….and I could feel a lot of what you were saying, and except you said this:

“Hell, if Mexicans can overcome (and 2520’s hate them more than they hate blacks), why can’t blacks? Latinos and Middle Easterners get it worse than black people, but instead of them stopping and complaining, they continue to do whatever to fight the stereotypes. Blacks, on the other hand, sit in front of BET and complain about what the hell is ruining society while not doing a damn thing about it.”

Maybe I read it wrong, but how does your Afro-Cuban family history explain this position?

19 08 2008
chaoticdiva

My comment was referring to your comment about not knowing where we came from. My Cuban family became africanized when they got to the states. Their pre-U.S. history is that much more complicated…and trust me, I don’t know anything past my grandmother’s birthplace (which is another long story) and her citizenship. My point was saying that I know what its like to not know where you come from and not grow up with your “culture” just like other latinos in this country who went through a similar something as I did. Trust, there are alot here in Michigan who don’t speak spanish or know anything about their own culture because of shame and wanting to assimilate. I’ve heard Mexicans say that they wish they were either black or white because of ill-gotten stigmas.

But yes, Edumucated kind of finished my thought with the last post of his (sorry, my brain is somewhat frazzled…finals week…so my thoughts are a bit incomplete).

By the way, Edumucated, are you single? lol…

19 08 2008
Jen

What I am about to say is going to sound really trite but…

Chaotic Diva, I would not be surprised if I am more intimately familiar with the Latino experience and culture than you are.

You may not know it, but you need to stop. I am really not sure what is keeping me from tearing your entire argument to pieces.

But, do me a favor.

Research the experience of Mexicans in Texas during the Civil Rights Era.

Google the phrase “black philanthropy”.

19 08 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

I’ll tell you why it’s so motherfucking goddamned funny by describing the series of events of this blog post:

1. Author writes a post admonishing whites and asians for equating awkwardness on the basketball court and ‘slanty eyes’ with genocide, institutionalized racism, slavery, and murder.

2. Someone mentions the Jews. BUCKLE UP KIDS, YOU’VE JUST BOARDED THE RETARD ROLLER COASTER! HERE WE GO! :::click click click click click click click::: OH BOY, THIS ONE LOOKS LIKE A DOOSEY!

3. We’re near the top of the coaster. Holy shit, I wonder what’s on top! LOOK MOMMY! It’s a bunch of asinine rhetoric about Latin vs. Black struggle! Mommy…why is Daddy’s head melting? Because, sweetie, your father is a logical person, and the idea of a black vs. latin oppression argument being made by individuals of mixed black/latin descent is making him have an aneurysm.

4. Mommy, aneurysms make heads melt? No baby, it just facilitates it. The actual melting is a result of all the hot air that gets blown out of the asses of the oppressed when they actually get angrier at each other than at their oppressors. Do you understand, now?

5. Yes, Mommy. Oh…Mommy, did Hitler kill Jews in America?

6. Why no, sweetheart? Why would you think that? Um…because there’s a Holocaust museum in downtown Washington D.C. Why come there’s a holocaust museum in the country where it didn’t happen?

7. I don’t know honey, but my tax dollars did pay for it. Do you know what else my tax dollars paid for? What, Mommy?

8. They paid for educational infrastructure that would allow Latinos and Blacks to continue to fight proxy wars against one another on behalf of white people. Hang on, WE’RE GOING OVER THE TOP!

9. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

10. Mommy, I feel dumber now. That’s ok pumpkin – just wait’ll you’re 30.

19 08 2008
JessAKA Rabbitt

chris! wow….

19 08 2008
Jen

Well, damn, sir.

How the hell am I supposed to respond to someone who describes me as an impotent retard watching BET when I should be freedom-fighting? Is it better to laugh it off just because they happen to be brown, also?

19 08 2008
Edumucated

Ah, but you missed something. It is actually Afro-Latin Vs. African-American.

19 08 2008
Quirky Cutie

I too hate the Latino vs. Black nonsense. I’m not in favor of illegal immigration in any sense, but one thing that softened my thinking was realizing that the same whites who are so staunchly opposed to it probably wouldn’t hesitate to institute slavery if they could…

19 08 2008
JessAKA Rabbitt

Jen…You are my blog sister…I definitely co-sign on this one!

19 08 2008
Amadeo

Chris…your interjection has made it all worthwhile.

19 08 2008
Jen

As a Texican, I love illegal immigration. I know there are other illegal immigrants, but I am most familiar with those of the Texican variety. Keep them coming. If America builds that big, country fence and divides Texico, I will DHL shovels to the other side in between my tears. Illegal immigrants take jobs nobody else wants, pay taxes and ain’t never done nothing to me. Aside from the obvious, they tend to be law-abiding citizens. They also make good neighbors. I am happy when illegal immigrants have babies here, and I hope the babies’ paths to citizenry are easy. These babies are what are pushing whites into the minority, after all.

Woot, woot. Nothing would make me happier.

Of course, I also hope that illegal immigrants like Black people a little better than Chaotic Diva when they come over. Otherwise, all this well-wishing is for naught.

19 08 2008
Omar

I think this was said in another post, but immigrants are always a selective group of people and can’t be seen as completely representative of the entire group. People that come here come for a reason and the shiftless folks in their community, excuse the expression, got drunk and missed the boat.

Being muslim the funny thing I noticed about Middle Easterners is before 9/11 you suggest that anything in America is racist they will look at you like you are crazy then after 9/11 they want sympathy. I ronically they themselves can be just as racist as anyone else, for an example you can look at Egypt they been shitting on black people for over 2500 years.

19 08 2008
Tasha

Just a quick that I could not keep to myself. There was definately a time in recent history in which being Afro Latino was much better than being African American. Speaking Spanish or with an accent got my Grandfather many priviledges that my Grandmother did not receive. He was a darker skin color than she was but he had an accent which made him better, in the eyes of those in power which makes for resentment.

One of the major issues that African Americans have with Afro Latinos is that the Latino heritage seems to be what is treasured and it creates a distance between the groups. Many of us look exactly the same and have way more similarities to each other than to the whites of Latin America and the US, however many Afro Latinos are qucick to separate themselves from African Americans, which as far as I am concerned we all are. We are of (general) African descent living in the Americas. Same people.

19 08 2008
overit

Omar, you’re right, I’m Muslim and that’s the truth. My thing is,the Muslim world is also in part the product of colonization. White people really did their homework and did a number on..well the world.

But the racism in the Muslim world (NOT to be confused with Islam) is a whole other story.

19 08 2008
Quirky Cutie

@Jen, illegal immigrants also give competition to white businesses such as in construction – if you ever need to do work on your house, that’s more conpetition for the 2520’s/less of a chance you’ll get ripped off because you’re black…my mother once said that with them, you’re only paying for the face…

19 08 2008
overit

“4. Mommy, aneurysms make heads melt? No baby, it just facilitates it. The actual melting is a result of all the hot air that gets blown out of the asses of the oppressed when they actually get angrier at each other than at their oppressors. Do you understand, now?”

That’s what I been trying to tell errbody! Its enough to make a sista lose her mind. And #6? You know saying that and being Muslim is nuff to get the Patriot Acting on yo ass

19 08 2008
Quirky Cutie

However…before whites become a minority, they’ll grant Asians the honorary “white people” status the Asians have so desired, but solely to increase the white numbers….hopefully the Mexican birth rate will outpace it all…

19 08 2008
sarah

Tasha, let it die. just let it die, sweetie.

19 08 2008
chaoticdiva

Ok, now that I am finished with exams, my brain isn’t as fried, so I can clarify what I meant by the BET comment.

First of all, I didn’t say all black people sit on their ass. I said in my experiences in an area of highly black populated area, I rarely see them getting out and doing something outside of complaining when it comes to work in the community.

With that being said, I will also tell you that my stint working with Black Caucus and the NAACP on campus created the resentment that I have for black campus organizations because they are more focused on social crap (like movie night watching “How High” or some other ghettofied movie), than actual initiatives for change. At one point, I organized a bottle/can drive for Hurricane Katrina victims(we get refunds for pop/beer cans/bottles), in which both Black Caucus members (I was the president) and the NAACP were invited to help with, but I ended up pushing a cart around by myself collecting bottles/cans, and when it was seen that I was solo, one of the girls from a Latin sorority came and backed me up.

All my life I have dealt with black people turning their backs on me, criticizing me, and what not, despite me being a black person. So instead of holding it against blacks and saying that I hate them, I go out and I try to change the black community for the better, unlike the majority of those who I come across (in person, not on the web, simply because I cannot speak on behalf of everybody that I don’t know).

I hope that clarifies where I stand on the issue, for those of you who are confused.

And no, I was not pointing out that blacks don’t have it tough, I was pointing out that blacks are not the only ones that are victims of society, whether it be American or their own.

19 08 2008
Jen

CD, please read the last paragraph of Chris’s post.

19 08 2008
chaoticdiva

@ Jen. I saw it. I just wanted to clarify myself from earlier since most ppl took it the wrong way. I don’t need ppl putting hits on me in mob wars b/c of this shit.

19 08 2008
Jen

No better way to take someone’s statements than how they look on their face.

I don’t see a single positive thing that could have come from that statement. AND it was extremely divisive, especially when it was built upon such erroneous premises.

The only reason you weren’t mercilessly attacked by me for saying what you did is that you are not white. When I see Black people making statements like you have, I become more appalled and sad that you are so misinformed than angry as hell. After all, nobody but you is differentiating you from the people you are looking down upon on a day-to-day basis.

19 08 2008
chaoticdiva

*sigh*

…I don’t differentiate from those groups by race, I differentiate from those groups by how much they get involved. Reason why I’m starting my own damn organization.

I could go on and on of trying to explain myself, but you’ll still see me as some bigot against black people, despite you reading more into what I posted as my experiences with whats going on in my area, and nobody elses.

And for the record, why was I one of 10 people literally on my campus that actually wore black for the Jena 6? Most ppl I asked that didn’t wear it were talking about “oh, I just felt like wearing something else today”. You try to organize shit in Michigan where there are a bunch of people who devalue education because they think they can get a high paying job working at the factories and not have to do so well with school.

Again, I’m speaking for the Detroit area, where I was born and raised, not Texas, DC, or any other freaking area. My experiences are my own, just like yours and I’m not judging you on your observations, so don’t judge me on mine.

19 08 2008
dtang

wonder what a rape victim thinks when some chick who got her ass pinched by a lecherous boss walks up to her and says “You know, you’re not the only one that’s had a guy force himself on you.”

that’s the realest analogy ever!!!

19 08 2008
Janus

Ahahahahaha omg this post was just spot the fuck on…. Excellent work Chris.
I aint even get to read all the comments so I miss the lil bacchanal time bassa-bassa that gine on between Jen and ChaoticDiva…. Lawd have mercy.

Aren’t you guys perpetuating the whole ‘my history of oppression is greater than yours’ rididculousness…. don’t you find this just a bit silly. We are all in the same minority boat, Black or Latino and both getting kicked by the Whiteys who still run tings bout de place. Hard times hit all of us minorities the hardest and 2520s still simling all the way to the bank.

Its the Olympics ppl…. what happened to world peace and all that jazz? Jamaicans won the 100m Mens and Womens respectively…. the 100m Mens final had in only black men. Aren’t these things we should be celebrating?

19 08 2008
Robert Higgins

Reverse Racism vs. White “me too?” Don’t see the comparison. Anyone who finds time to waste on “me too” is too filled with mis-placed guilt that they’re too foolish to even consider.

Consider this: I’m white. Have no guilt about being white. Recognize this country enslaved people. No one in my family tree ever owned a slave. My family came here after the turn of the 19th/20th century. Into Brooklyn, NY. Worked hard for nearly nothing. Most became garbage men or firemen or cops or plumbers. Many drank themselves to death. Who cares. My family wasn’t/isn’t so special and again, who cares!

A white who lives on land that was worked by African slaves lives on conquered land (though the land “conquered” was the land from which these African slaves stolen) and short of handing it to the direct decendants of those slaves (who truly “earned” it) there isn’t much Whitey can do.
Black people have a harsh history to “live down” if they ever want to enjoy the monumental “self esteem” that I enjoy. Or at least this is what I’m lead to believe I enjoy and what Blacks lack. Good luck finding THAT.

I suppose reparations will erase all the evil that people who looked like me did to people who looked like Black people. Perhaps then that sense of historical “connection;” that “lost heritage” will be found and embraced. And then the next day that elusive self-esteem will arrive. I’m sure that is JUST what is needed.

Or is it an apology. The Apology. Perhaps a Congressional Apology will fix it. Like The Pope’s apology cured all the ills of the long dead and buried Jews who were tortured by long dead and buried Catholics.

I, as do all Americans (and non Americans living here), live on conquered land. Anyone with any guilt about the rape of the Native peoples needs to give the land on which sits his home back to some direct descendant of whatever tribe held that land. Or just shut up, because anything short of that is lip service anyway.

Or Blacks and Natives can live in the present and stand up against racism when it occurs. I suppose forgetting about the racism of the slave and Jim Crow past is a lot to ask of those who lived through it and those who decended from them That, I suppose, is the continued “burden” of the African American. But what the hell do I know. I’m Whitey and the world has been handed to me and BOY is my sense of heritage and self-esteem just driving me toward that Mountain Top! (Forgive the sarcasm..or not).

I try to live a decent life and treat everyone as my brother or sister. Again, who cares.

All the best to all.

Robert.

19 08 2008
Jen

@Janus, no that is not what “gine on,” not from me at least, so maybe you should read the comments before you go down that unfruitful path.

@Robert… What do you know, you ask? Not a damn thing, apparently. Sit the fuck down.

19 08 2008
brownngirl

Um, did Robert just play the race card?

20 08 2008
ninasimone

Jen, Its official. We are kin. You are ridiculously(sp) on point. Ridiculously!!!

Im from a Louisiana too…trying to trace the family history before all the elders pass on..I have a feeling( based on just a little bit of info) that if I am successful in elucidating the history I will find that my ancestors stopped along the way in Haiti too before all those Haitians came to New Orleans

Some of these comments –wow. Mandatory reading list needed. Ignorance is amazing

Regarding the last green post:
Chris, if I send you a long cotton swab—will you swab the inside of your cheeks and then put it back in the envelope for me? ALso, please include a lock of you hair–with no product. Items not to be returned. Postage Included. I may also need sperm so be aware of that.
Thank you.

20 08 2008
Justin

Chris, you seem like a really intelligent guy, but I don’t see how you could come up with this stuff without having taken some black studies class in college.

20 08 2008
ViK

Just got into it with an acquaintance today. She said something about whites and blacks being equal in the eyes of the law, it’s just white people could generally afford better lawyers. I reminded her if a rich black guy and a poor white guy get pulled over by the cops, the white guy is more likely to live to see the courtroom. This did not compute – cuz cops are are friends, right? *sigh*

20 08 2008
Complacent Guy

Dude, what happened… This blog was good before people tried to get so serious… Now it blows…
Going to watch Samford and Son

20 08 2008
HerroKitty

Chris doesnt seem to understand why there is a holocaust museum in dc….

well, its probably due to the fact that most of the holocaust survivers came to america and wanted to show the world what they lived through. Isreal has the most jews in the world with like 6 million jews, and america is second with like 5.5 millon jews, so having a holocaust museum here would seem understandable. Now having a holocaust museum in Napal would be a tad odd. Kind of like having a Cuba Communist museum in miami, those people were immigrants from another county and wanted to show how life was like living in communist cuba.

Im going to go watch The Facts of Life……”you take the good, you take the bad…..”

20 08 2008
overit

HeroKitty,

If I may be presumptuous, I think Chris, and most of the people in here; do not mind the holocaust museum. In fact, they probably have a deep appreciation for the acknowledgement of oppression and honoring the resiliency and struggle of a people despite whatever (small pox, a 17 day trip on the Atlantic to a foreign land, slavery, Jim Crow, lynching, being forced on reservations…in your own land. I digress)

The point I think he was trying to make, and the way I understood it, was that there was a holocaust museum way before there was a Native American museum. There was a holocaust memorial museum before there was an African-American history museum (notice I said museum and not display). There is an African American museum being built in DC but if its anything like the Native American museum…. I don’t know. Btw, can anyone living in DC share his or her opinion of the Native American museum?

In short, the holocaust, which took place in Europe and not here, should not take precedence over the genocide that took place right here in America. In my opinion, this is just part of a trend, its easier to acknowledge other nations shortcomings, while sweeping ours under the national rug. This is why Americans can look at the holocaust with such heartfelt abandon; they were the saviors in that case. When it comes to Slavery and the genocide of natives…not so easy.

20 08 2008
Raven

I don’t understand how the Irish people today can claim that they felt racism, because first off it wasn’t nearly as long as blacks have had to deal with it and also how in the world can you honestly discriminate against an Irish person today? Correct me if I’m wrong, but is there some type of identifier that tells people that a certain person is Irish? Even back then when they were being discriminated against, it’s not like some couldn’t just blend in with the whites.

Why do you think blacks were brought in as slaves in the first place. They had darker skin and could easily be picked out if they ran away.

As for the Asians claiming that whites discriminated against them…Most Asians, in America and especially in Asia, are the most racist people ever especially when it comes to skin color, so I have no idea what the hell their complaining about. They want equal rights here, but they have no acceptance for people with dark skin. How hypocritical is that?

20 08 2008
Samia

Thank you x100000000000000000000 for posting this. I love my white friends, but sometimes shit of this nature comes up and I can’t think of a polite way to tell someone to kindly shut the fuck up.

Bring up any issue of race affecting a non-white group =

“Well, this one time a black person assumed I was racist and it really hurt my feeeeeeeelings.”

Not at all comparable to what too many people in this country deal with everyday, and it affects not only their emotional and mental health, but their employment, families, education, their fucking ENTIRE LIFE.

“My family never owned slaves and we came here in 19**.”

Aaaaaaaaaand you speak perfect English, can blend in at any time, and have no problems taking full advantage of white privilege. SHADDAP.

People talk about Asians (East and Southeast) becoming the new whites, and it makes me sick to think it may be true. The amount of white people who feel comfortable talking shit about other groups in my presence is staggering, and they seem very surprised that I am not cool with it. Fuck a bunch of racist bonding. We are not on the same fucking team.

20 08 2008
Kelso's Nuts

Agree with you. I was born in NYC to Eastern European Jewish parents but spoke Spanish and English from early childhood (too complicated to explain). Holocaust in Europe was horrible. Much of my father’s family suffered mightily at the hands of the criminal “justice” system in the USA.

Am I under any illusion that despite all that I wasn’t better off with an olive complexion and Mediterranean features in the USA? Hell, no.

I’m glad I live in Panama now and don’t deal with this USA racial madness.

20 08 2008
ph2072

“I need a fucking therapist.”
__________________________________________

If you need a therapist, then you also need to finish the book as soon as you can (under the circumstances – your computer) so that you can speak the truth and then have the money to afford one. 😉

If therapy is necessary for speaking the truth, then go get one pronto.

20 08 2008
ph2072

Forgot to mention – to sit there and compare one’s “struggle” to ours is straight bullshit. i.e., “I had to walk through (non-white) neighborhood and I felt unsafe and alone and stigmatized.”

Fuck you. Welcome to my world….. every got-damn day.

21 08 2008
anjiebaby

A century of American colonialism in Panama hardly makes it a place to go to escape “USA racial madness”. Ask a black engineer or sailor if he can get a job at the Panama canal. Along with our technology for building the canal, we exported our good ole fashioned racism and discrimination. The Panama Canal museum has a tool that lets you trace if your ancestors worked on the canal. Despite the fact that a vast majority of workers from the West Indies and Caribbean islands helped build the canal, good luck finding a trace of their contribution in their computer records. Up until 2005, they posted signs at the entry of clubs, bars, etc saying “We reserve the right to refuse entry to anyone we please for any reason we please” which usually meant: black people (they don’t discriminate b/t “latin” blacks and “american” blacks)

On another note, I appreciate this blog for offering witty, smart ass remarks to use when people catch me off guard with some reverse racism nonsense. Luckily, I rarely encounter the types of people who make those types of comments.

22 08 2008
riz

Asian people will reflect on a time when a white dude made slanty eyes and yelled “ME SO SOLLY!”

*dead*

22 08 2008
Eliza.D.

TheChad is frigging hilarious. That’s all I have to say. Quit your day job and do comedy.

And I lied. I have something else to say. Being that I am a black woman completely in love with a white man who finds himself in a staunch Republic family, I’m starting to wonder if he can really see my liberal (Barack all the way) views. I know this is a little off topic, but it just made me realize we may not be able to talk about EVERYTHING, even though he can “sympathize” with most of my history. I guess you never can win, hunh?

22 08 2008
Eliza.D.

Republican*

23 08 2008
toddyenglish

Reverse racism is such a bullshit cop out, forreal. Really, I’ve nothing more to say. As usual your latest entry summed my feelings up! And if I see ONE more Asian person say, “The “Model Minority” stereotype is damaging to them” I am going to scream and pull my hair out by the roots…which would be hard to do seeing as I’m sportin a baldy.

24 08 2008
Jen

Somebody just equated saying “2520” to Klan membership in the comments of one of the photos uploaded to the Facebook group.

24 08 2008
Jon

What a bunch of faux militant bullshit.

White guilt, lol. Anyone with an ounce of “white guilt” should publicly whip themselves to get rid of it.

25 08 2008
kenneth

The whole concept of reverse racism is unintentionally hilarious, and exposes a subtle truth about white perception.

Reverse Racism assumes that racism is only leveled in one direction and that primary hatred comes from whites to black. If there was equality, all racial hatred would just be racism.

k

26 08 2008
Pocho

“Reverse racism” is retarded. So because white people feel themselves descriminated against it is “reverse”? It SHOULD be going the other way like it always has, right? Paaathetic.

I remember having a conversation with my own brother years ago when he was looking at schools to go to after high school and he said something like “I hope it doesn’t come down to me and some minority, cos then I know I won’t get in”…like there are SO MANY MINORITIES where he ended up going to school in fucking WYOMING!

As probably the whitest person to comment on this blog, I gotta say: White people need to get the fuck over themselves. Not everything revolves around you, and since you don’t have to put up with what black people and other minorities have to put up with every damned day of their lives, you can’t relate and aren’t really in a place to tell if they “deserve” AA benefits or whatever else. What’s next? Are you going to complain at people who use handicapped spaces at the grocery store because YOU would’ve rather parked there than a few feet further back even though you don’t actually need to? If you can’t relate to what someone has to deal with, then don’t pretend that you can and don’t complain about how much worse you think you have it. Just shut the fuck up and grateful for what you do have, which is, y’know…damn near everything.

26 08 2008
Bill

The best one is gays comparing there struggles in particular same sex marriage to that of the struggles of the black civil rights movment of the sixties.

30 08 2008
Pissed off Jew

Six fucking million people systematically murdered. I AM ALLOWED TO FEEL BAD ABOUT THAT. Jesus fucking Christ it’s not a contest.

Most of my family got murdered and that was awful, other people have had awful things happen to them too. Focus on MAKING AWFUL THINGS HAPPEN LESS instead of who had it worse. The last time you saw a “Jew or homosexual do this too,” were they ACTUALLY trying to commiserate with you? Or were they just TALKING ABOUT HOW SOMEBODY HAD OPPRESSED THEM? Because I hate to break it to you, but they are allowed to do that too.

2 09 2008
pegasus

Fuck yea.

9 09 2008
Notjeff Goldblum

You do need a therapist. You’re really not helping the situation with these articles. I think you are actually perpetuating the problem.

11 09 2008
Sneaky Fuckin Russian

To the author & youe supporters I say: booo-hooo! Cry me a river.
Yeah, black people have been getting screwed pretty hard in the last few centuries.
But why are you mad at white people about it?
Silly question?
Let me ‘splain it to you:

If somehow along the world’s history our situation was reversed, and the developing black city states and nations of antiquity were in a position to develop sea-faring, conqueror cultures based on expansion and war, they would have undoubtedly begun to expand and conquer/enslave those around them. On a limited scale, this actually happened all over the African continent.

Your problem is that your ancestors were NOT in this position for very long historically and when those crazy-eyed white people started showing up, they were NOT prepared to compete and win against them.

This is the basis of your anger and resentment. That during the course of our relatively short human history, your people were the weaklings in the proverbial schoolyard.

Nations have and still do operate on a law of the jungle rule. The weak are taken advantage of by the strong. There is no right or wrong to this, only the fact that if YOU don’t take advantage, someone else WILL.

I’m white, Russian to be specific. My people have seen some pretty harsh times – first came the Mongols, then the Germans (a bunch of times), French, etc. Constant warfare, revolutions, bloodshed.

It’s estimated that in the 300 years of the Transatlantic Slave Trade, some 12-30 million Africans were forced into slavery, millions perishing along the way.
Russia lost that amount of people (close to 30 million) between the years of 1939-1945. Just a little perspective for you.

Despite that, I don’t go around crying about the Germans invading and oppressing us. Because we beat the Germans, pushed them all the way back to Berlin and then raped all the women in Berlin for good measure once we captured it.
That’s how white people operate, we’re brutal heartless killers by nature.
If you had to evolve a culture in a harsh environment sorrounded by other tribes of bloodthirsty, crazy white people, you would be too.
But you didn’t evolve in that sort of environment.
Which is why when white people started expanding, ya’ll weren’t ready.

So don’t hate us for oppressing you or for not bowing our heads in shame & nodding while you scold us for all that institutional racism. Hate your great great ancestors. Curse the African kings and queens that cut deals with the white invaders for selling masses of your kinsmen by the shipload.

Better yet, learn on a personal level that feeling bitter and hateful about the past isn’t going to do much. Take action! Start a revolution! I’d love to see that.
Oh and don’t feel too bad – the white man’s empire is in decline, no doubt about it. Unfortunately the next in line will either be the ‘browns’ through sheer population growth (Hispanics will be the main ethnic group in the US in a decade or so, doncha know) or the Asians through steady cunning.
Have a great day!

14 09 2008
Amanda

Well, it is true that blacks have not been the only ones to suffer. The entire country of America was taken, by force, from the American Indians. It is wrong and hateful of you to state such things. That was ignorance in its purest form.
The Indians don’t complain, they sit on their nasty dirt patches in their sub-standard ‘reservations’ and try to make the best life they can for themselves. However, it seems that other races just can’t deal with the real world.
You say you’re not racist? I have read all your blogs, and I can honestly say that you are indeed a racist. Your witty little bits about Asians and the like prove it.
I also agree with Sneaky Fuckin Russian. If you do want to pissed at anybody, get pissed at your long-dead tribal leaders. If you want compensation for being slaves, bring your still living relative who WAS a slave, and we can apologize and give them some money.
Thank You. It is because of you, that things will get fucked up.

6 10 2008
rv

if you actually wonder what one woman who was raped thinks of women who complain about getting their asses pinched, it’s this: white men are shitbags and should really be sent to concentration camps for a nice change of pace.

that is, i empathize. and then i calm down again.

28 10 2008
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29 10 2008
Driscoll

about the white part… i’m white, hell i’m probably the whitest kid in my school, but generalization is b.s. No matter what the fuck a guy looks like i don’t wanna hear shit about his race and what he/she did or got done to that gives him reason to get pissed off at some group of people. You van hate a person, but that gives NO ONE reason to hate a group of people.
no one.
If you meet a man and he’s a racist asshole bigot, hate him not his race.

4 01 2009
lankyboi

this blog is da bomb! i found this blog on my phone i had to check it out and leave a comment.

6 01 2009
S

I went to high school where I was the white minority. I look and act very “white.” It was amazing to when I said something as it was taken as something racist. Somehow it was my ansestor’s fault that there was ever slavery or any discrimination. My grandfather faught under MLK Jr. during the civil rights movement. My father’s side of the family has not been in the US long enough to be involved in this.

That’s not even important. I haven’t done anything racist that I can remember in my life. People are people. I am not the cause of any sort of oppresion. Why should I be treated like I have?

I know that the same generalizations are made about black people. That doesn’t make any sense either.

10 01 2009
Xantar the MaGniFeriOUs

**Micks, Wops, Krauts, Shilos and Spics all sucked hind-tit in the ghettoes along with the ‘afroscendiente’ niggers at some point…this is the definative truth about cats and dogs.

—in response to rv’s comment 3 posts ago—
white people were sent to the concentration camps, ever heard of the holocaust you moronic douchebot. why dont you take your head out of your ass and put it in a book for a change of pace?IF you can see through the foot in your mouth, that is…

**the aforementioned geocentric racial subgroups are included in derogatory nomenclature as to provide self evidentiary context to their social repression.

19 01 2009
Aish

“I wonder what a rape victim thinks when some chick who got her ass pinched by a lecherous boss walks up to her and says “You know, you’re not the only one that’s had a guy force himself on you.””

Harassment at work can be pretty traumatizing depending on context/duration, but I had one chick try to tell me that a guy in a bar turning on the charm for a girl he’s attracted to is equivalent to rape because he’s “presenting a false image of himself.” As a rape survivor, THAT makes me want to eviscerate her with something blunt and heavy.

I’ve never seen the reverse racism argument used in any way that wasn’t obviously, laughably, disgustingly racist. Does anyone really believe this shit?

10 02 2009
Westerly

“The Indians don’t complain, they sit on their nasty dirt patches in their sub-standard ‘reservations’ and try to make the best life they can for themselves.”

Yeah. There’s nothing in the least patronising or condescending about this stereotypical, smugly complacent portrayal of mute passivity and acceptance about indigenous people nobly shouldering their ‘lot’ that comes from a place of white privilege. Not at all. Guess there’s no such thing as Indian activism, discontent or plain being pissed off at whites. Please. And of course, you’re not patting them on the head for being good, quiescent little minorities unlike those uppity African-Americans who have the audacity to continually *whine* about an appalling history and a difficult present and demand that you for once in your lives, do right.

Trying to play off one oppressed group of people and hold them up as an example to another group – *yawn* More boring colonial divide-and-conquer. How original? And here have I seen that before?

And then this:
“Despite that, I don’t go around crying about the Germans invading and oppressing us. Because we beat the Germans, pushed them all the way back to Berlin and then raped all the women in Berlin for good measure once we captured it.”

… And you’re PROUD of this? WTF?

Assuming that you really are Russian and not just some troll, why are whites under the delusion that a.) They are the voice of all authority and are in a position to *tell* other people how they are supposed to feel and respond to their own history of oppression? b.) That they are ANY kind of example to be upheld in terms of race relations or the appropriate treatment of other human beings?

12 02 2009
gosh your a dipshit.

westerly…if you believe there is no paradigm methodology to race-relations , why are you so self-delusional as to believe that whites ARENT the final authority on the history of oppression and others responses to it?—you contradict yourself, which is the first sign that you should be promptly ass raped by a fat man in leotards.

5 03 2009
TiredOfHearingIt

As a mixed white person of 50% Canadian French and 50% Native American descent, I’d just like to point out that the ‘rest of Americas’ are tired of the whining. How many blacks have a white heritage that they shun. So many people that live in America now, never had anything to do with slavery here. Slavery was never legal in Canada and the Native Americans had it worse that blacks EVER did. But I still have to live with the hatred of whites from blacks every day. I live in a city in the NE and since Obama was elected, there is EVEN MORE evidence of hatred towards whites. If the whites didn’t vote for him, he wouldn’t be there. Grow the fuck up, become responsible for your own place in society and quit teaching your kids to hate whitey. Your hatred is what fuels rasism from generation to generation. Get over it and teach your children racial tolerance as MLK would want you to. Black hatred of whites is the biggest problem for blacks in America – but none seem to realize it. Feeling entitled will get you nowhere.

20 04 2009
Mr. Tinkle

Why do people play the race card? Honestly, just accept the damn race, and move on….
I mean we’ll be here forever, and if god didn’t like us he wouldn’t of put us black (or whatever race/religion you are) people on this damn earth! Just move on with this damn planet! God! People are too blind to see that race doesn’t matter….it doesn’t! Honestly, acting like a bucn of kids….
Oh and there’s a huge difference between blacks, and us african americans….
african american: people who generally know they come from africa, and moved here for ex: I come from Ghana (and I’m a bit german) so I’m ghanian american

blacks: people who know they come from africa, but don’t know which part.

20 04 2009
Mr. Tinkle

And besides, all whites have done (not being racist or anything) have tried to scare people out of there country. Ever heard of the united states of america? And they say we should apologize…..selfish people

17 05 2009
wallacengromit

I quite honestly do not understand why someone will think that she/he is at a disadventage because of skin color alone. There is no overt racism in this country, everything is on equal grounds. The country itself, as a matter of fact, is run by a black president. Some people may argue “Well… Obama is not black, he’s very much white inside.” What makes black person black enough then? Do we need to separate ourselves from the rest of the world obsessing over who’s black and who’s white inside? Is it productive? Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons of the world are unjustly reaping the benefits from racial division and disharmony. Yes, the world is not black and white per se, it is far more complicated than we may hope it to be and it sure is far from being perfect. No matter the case, further division and separation can never be the solution. It is time to open up and see eachother for the first time for who we really are. It is indeed time to use some common sense.

23 06 2009
30footsmurf

I think the focus of this is all wrong. Racism is when you judge someone based on their race. This cannot go in reverse, it is an observation attached to what people think they know of that observation. If white guy feels left out because a black guy got a job because he was black, then he has every right to call racism. The truth of the matter is we are all used by the ruling class in efforts to maintain power and wealth. I think it was back in the early days of the gold rush where whites were paid just a little more than Chinese in order to provide a wedge within the laboring class. The lower class uneducated whites assumed they were better because they got paid more. This ignites racism by giving a poorly or not educated white person a reason to think well of himself, because at least he’s not Chinese. The folly in such thinking is that the Chinese had the most similar stake in what was happening. The wedge in the laboring class kept them from working toward their common interests, ie striking and demanding better wages and working conditions. This in turn kept the ruling class in a position to take in a large undeserving percentage of the fruits of their labor.

When I use that same reasoning today, I can see plainly that we are divided as a people, the ruling class has done well to convince many of us that our fates are not entangled. We have republicans and democrats, and neither of them look after the welfare of common everyday people… which is their job. Instead they focus on the wealthy interest groups. Some of these do happen to work for real people, the NAACP for example, but are mostly given lip service from law makers. Sadly it is the more affluent interest groups that get the most play. The bail out is a perfect example, and they said it on tv. “If you shower before work here’s your check, if you shower afterward, go find another job.”
If you don’t like racism, refrain from racist comments, and chastise those that use them in a constructive way. No one changes while someone is yelling at them, but a smile, a little sense and some interracial courteousy goes a long way.
Racism is the trap they want you to fall into. The knowledge of shared fate, the strength and beauty of unity is the way to win. Its a long struggle though.

27 06 2009
Jim Crow

This new economy is going to pull you niggers up by the bootstraps and give you some tough love like you have never seen before.

If you think the white man is starting to rub off the ‘white guilt’ wait until you see the Obama Amnesty of 2010.

Mexican guilt is almost non existant and when they start to ethnically cleanse your from detroit, new york, and atlanta, I am going to laugh through my bucked teeth from my rural trailer park, as I sip my bud and watch the whole thing play out on foxnews.

4 07 2009
Mark

I don’t think we should start comparing racial or ethnic pain, because ultimately we’d have to go back to pre-colonization era history and list all the countries the Jewish people were banned from, etc.

Suffice it to say, the Africans and the Irish were both sold into slavery by the British in the West Indies, and were forced to have sex at gunpoint in order to breed ‘mixed’ slaves, which were worth more. There are marriage licenses showing they were both viewed as ‘colored’ in some states. This perspective on the Irish had a lot to do with Ireland not being colonized at the same time as England, by the Romans. Neither background was intended to inherit America, but thankfully we both did.

It may interest some people that according to the Roman poet Juvenal, the best lawyers came from North Africa and Gaul. There were also a lot of Celtic and African hired warriors all over the globe. Just remember, your background is a lot more complicated than just what you can see in the mirror, because history is looonnngg.

4 07 2009
Mark

Not true, Nikia Pheonix has some Scots-Irish on her mom’s side.

Ali was paternally part-Irish… naturally uncomfortable with the idea that it could’ve come from a slave owner. I think at some point, you just have to accept your background, even if you were bastard born. Families are intricate

6 08 2009
person

Do you guys understand that you have a wall sitting around hating on a race because many many years ago people enslaved ancestors? It’s stuff like this that fuels racism. To be “racist” is natural. People like to be around their own race.

30 08 2009
Dash

Blacks are more raciest than most… Did you know blacks still practice slave trading? to this very day?

hummm

30 08 2009
Dash

One thing I did not mention in my past post…Obama is a Marxist, are American Blacks ready to be Communists?

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