White Forgetfulness

5 08 2008

I have never had Absolut Vokda. My bar at home features a gigantic magnum bottle of Ketel One, and when I go out I tend to limit myself to K1, Belevdiere, or (if I’m feeling douchey) Grey Goose. But after seeing a certain advertisement, Absolut may be the only type of liquor I ever drink again:

Figure 1: Oh hell fucking yes…

This is an ad for Absolut that ran in Mexico several months ago, which effectively shows what the U.S. would look like if it hadn’t stolen the entire ‘Golden West’ in the Mexican-American War. The ad resulted in a firestorm of anger and caucasoid haterade, and I couldn’t possibly be any happier.

My favorite part of the outrage sparked by this ad is the stark relief of White Forgetfulness it exposes. For those who don’t know:

White Forgetfulness = (White Guilt) x -1

Most people mistakenly believe that the following equation is true:

White Supremacy = (White Guilt) x -1

But they are mistaken. White supremacy, despite being extremely caustic, is a fairly tiny, easily recognized, and popularly dismissed movement. White Forgetfulness, on the other hand, is far more pervasive, far more subtle, and far more dangerous. To elaborate more fully, White Forgetfulness is the desire of white people to forget that the greatness of the United States – and many of the race-based social ills that pervade it today – are the result of Indian blood, Black sweat, and institutionalized racism.

The Absolut Mexico ad produced a severe reaction not just because the lines of Mexico were redrawn all over America’s face – but because it wasn’t COMPLETE fantasy. As the article states, the key argument against the ad is that Mexicans (and other Central Americans funneling themselves though Mexico) are indeed ‘invading’ the United States…they’re just not doing it in the traditional military sense which would allow white people to respond with their most well-practiced prescription: SHOOT ‘EM UP!

Figure 2: For the visual learner

White Forgetfulness comes into play when those reacting negatively to the ad forget that a.) America owns California, New Mexico, Arizona, Wyoming, Colorado, Utah, and parts of several other states because we forcibly stole them from Mexico, and b.) America owns the rest of the land in its borders because it was stolen from Indians.

One of the favorite pastimes of white folks is to sit around thinking to themselves that, bit by bit and treaty by treaty, the taking of Indian land was somehow fair and legal – as if Indians were actually dumb enough to GIVE AWAY so much land in fair exchanges to Whites that, by the end of the 19th century, the remainder of us were intentionally sitting on a pile of dirt in Four Corners eating diabeetus-inducing commods with one hand and jamming our thumbs up our asses with the other.

Figure 3: Absolut Yoink

Have you ever had one of those roundtable type discussions in high school or college where you were forced to discuss issues of race in mixed company? These discussions always involve bleeding-heart liberal white douchebags, who enraged me for years until I figured out that they were gigantic piles of incarnate irony. These people are ironic because they’re white supremacists and they don’t even realize it. I will never forget the words I heard come out of the mouth of one of these guys in response to the tensions between blacks and native americans:

“It’s nuts, you know? All these tensions based on race it’s just…stupid. Life’s too short, you know? This is America. We should just forget all this bickering and just become one culture!”

The last sentence of his claim sent me into fits of laughter in a discussion that was otherwise utterly un-funny. I fell BACKWARDS out of my chair, and rolled around on the floor of the classroom howling with laughter and clutching my stomach until I was thrown out of class and told to report to detention (this happened in high school).

I’d attribute the dumbness of his claim to youth and inexperience if I hadn’t heard the same argument made by countless white people in college and even to this very day. White people make the ‘one culture’ argument in front of minorities all the time, and they do it because they think it’s what we want to hear. What they don’t know is that this argument enrages us for two reasons:

1.) It allows white people to forget about the consequences of historic racial injustice (which would persist, even if we were ‘one culture’) while continuing to reap the benefits of historic racial injustice

2.) ‘One Culture’ implies a melting pot, which is COMPLETELY impossible. For there to be one culture, there would have to be forced assimilation into an existing culture*, which is something that minorities (blacks and indians above all) are all too familiar with (think ‘YO NAME IS TOBY! and Indian boarding schools with the mission ‘Kill the Indian, Save the Man’, like the one attended by my father)

The One Culture argument implies ignorance of minority issues on the part of whites, and an entirely self-serving agenda. Of course, this is typical white behavior, but it’s decidedly atypical and angering when this behavior is repackaged as a CURE for racism instead of what it is: a centuries-old racist argument for cultural genocide.

I think it’s time for a drink.

Figure 4: This is how I get over damn near everything.

* White culture, to be exact. God knows white people on the whole aren’t going to start acting like blacks, indians, asians, or hispanics, and we can’t make them, because they have all the guns.

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436 responses

5 08 2008
Lindsay

This post is extremely timely in that I’m reading “Lies My Teacher Told Me” in which he addresses this topic for a good half of the book.

5 08 2008
Amadeo

I like how along with one culture things are said like, “Why do they have to have those weird names…what’s wrong with an American name?”

In response to this I’m changing my name to: Kweku Kills-for-fun Jamal Jose` Amawombe

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

I can’t sit still long enough to read this. But fucking Columbians side with 2520’s so I don’t like them.

By the way, does anybody else sweat in the midst of super cold air conditioning? I’m burning the fuck up…

5 08 2008
BK24/7

Wow, typical white overreaction. Boycott Absolut because of a map? One downside of the internet is you can learn the opinions of all the idiots with internet access. And there are tons of them!

“Lies My Teacher Told Me” is a great book and I recommend it to everyone. *calls friend to ask for his book back*

5 08 2008
Amadeo

Absolut for my Martini from now on.

5 08 2008
Knatural

Fuck Michelle Malkin!

5 08 2008
Saun

That is the best Absolut I have ever seen!

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

By the way, I killed a bottle of Absolut in ATL last weekend. Boy was I tipsy!

5 08 2008
former lurker

funny how 2520s expect us to “get over” slavery, oppression, jim crow, and all the other fucked up shit they’ve done since the beginning of time, but they can’t get over a damn liquor ad….

btw, i’ve always been a fan of absolut adds.

5 08 2008
Cheekie

Lies My Teacher Told Me! THATS the book I was trying to think of to get next. I’m in between “train ride books” and was trying to think of a book I’ve been dying to read. Need to pick that up soon.

Love that Absolut Ad.

5 08 2008
Knatural

America stole Hawaii, too. Thieving crackers.

5 08 2008

ABSOLUT!!!

Did we all have an experience with absolut lately? I had some absolut and orange juice after watching “The Dark Knight” a couple of weeks ago. That shit hit me FAST!

5 08 2008
cdf

“Lies…” is a pretty good book (sitting on desk) along with Legends, Lies, & Cherished Myths of World History. It gets repetitive (and hilarious) hearing some of these “American” blowhards get arrogant and outright suicidal to suggest this country is/was something other than what they claim it is. Maybe its the fear of all of these “non-whites” closing in or something…although we’ve been here for a while (200 years vs. 1,000’s+)…

5 08 2008
Omar

“…one culture” – HAhahAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHahahahahhahahaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

I hate that we are all the same shit, NO WE’RE NOT!!!!!

The other one is “we shouldn’t be responsible for what our ancestors did” … umm. you still got the money and the land don’t you. Funny how they never forget the holocaust though…

How they going to mad at a map that is historically accurate when…

“…our money look like baseball cards for slave owners” – Dave Chappelle

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

hahaha:

5 08 2008
Shay-d-lady

This is so true.. that is why I did not understand all the blacks that jumped on the Hillary bandwagon nor all the blacks that approve of the injustice against hispanic immigrants. Like you state, the bleeding heart white liberal is the most dangerous of all! I’d rather be hated for my power and intelligence than loved for my ignorance anyday.

5 08 2008
former lurker

@ Cheekie: not sure if you’re interested, but you may wanna check out the following books by Randall Robinson
1. The Debt- What America Owes to Blacks
2. The Reckoning- What Blacks Owe to Eachother
3. Quitting America- The Departure of a Black Man from His Native Land

pretty interesting reads….

5 08 2008
B4Prez

1.This is the third time in as many days that ‘Lies My Teacher Told Me’ has been recommended to me. Gonna have to pick it up.

2.Does any1 else who works with all YTs feel it’s awkward when the SBPH banner pops up on the screen, yet continues to refresh the page, just for this reason?

3. @ Chris – Where can I get one of those mugs for my Vodka…I mean….my coffee.

5 08 2008
Jay_Everyday

You hit the nail on the head. I’m gonna pick up Lies my teacher told me as well.

5 08 2008
B4Prez

@Omar – The holocaust is never forgotten because Jews sign too many checks. Where there is big money, there’s typically a Jew right behind it.

5 08 2008
BK24/7

Not only are they forgetful, but their memories are short too. Or should I say selective. They want us to remember the Alamo, the Revolutionary War, and the lofty ideas and people that shaped the constitution. But when it comes to the atrocities committed against blacks and native Americans and other groups that happened at the same time, they want to forget about all of that.

5 08 2008
Amadeo

I remember the Alamo by playing El Deguello while drinking tequila.

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

nobody seed my photo?

5 08 2008
former lurker

*Waiting for Irami to post a comment so he/she can get lambasted by errbody*

5 08 2008
gabrieloneverything

“This is so true.. that is why I did not understand all the blacks that jumped on the Hillary bandwagon nor all the blacks that approve of the injustice against hispanic immigrants.”

1) Because Bill Clinton was Black enough for people like Bob Johnson.
2) Because stupid people are fooled into forgetting that NAFTA was put into place by the Clintons which forces “dem d*mn Mexicans” to “illegally” come over the borders just to feed their families. That and some Black people believe in Fox News and the fact that the only reason they don’t have jobs is because “illegals” are taking them all…

I think I found a new facebook profile picture.

5 08 2008
Cheekie

chaoticdiva: HAHAHA! The 2520 next to the chick with the sign is what makes it art.

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

If it didn’t hurt so much, I would be laughing my ass off at that photo. But because my friends keep calling me kermit, I’m going to stop.

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

*disclaimer* I am currently being treated for a couple of different severe “ailments” (nothing mental dearies, don’t worry), but the meds they have me on make me loopy as fuck, so if I say something way off, forgive me in advance…I really have no control over this or anything else that has happened in the past week.

If you want details, click my link and there’s a post in the blog.

5 08 2008
blackberry molasses

that ad is officially about to become emblazoned on a t-shirt and worn by me every single day… specially since i love me some absolut. i used to collect the ads in college

5 08 2008
former lurker

“1) Because Bill Clinton was Black enough for people like Bob Johnson”

AMEN

5 08 2008
Sister Toldja

Chris- “Indian boarding schools with the mission ‘Kill the Indian, Save the Man’, like the one attended by my father”

Please explain.

5 08 2008
blackberry molasses

i work in a field that is the bastion of liberal bleeding heart whites– public health. it is so much fun for me and the other brown people to remind them of their white forgetfulness every single fucking day…

Statement from one of my fellow epidemiologists during a data meeting–“Wow, its crazy how the analysis (from their recent publication) just shows the burden of X disease on poor minorities in Philadelphia.”

My response (after the side eye) “well duh… since they’re the ones that come to the free clinic DOWNSTAIRS because they are on public assistance, don’t have insurance and are the legacy of…” (stopped myself mid sentence before I was officially cast as an ABW)

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

I wonder what was the original purpose of building porches on houses? I know the 2520’s came up with it…

5 08 2008
Sister Toldja

White people will spend 20 years in therapy because someone called them stupid in kindergarten and then demand that Blacks and Native Americans “get over it”, as if their forefathers deviltry hasn’t made an indelible stain on our daily lives. I really do wish we would just get this race war poppin’ some days. If Obama doesn’t win, it may happen.

5 08 2008
TomatoHead

Hey chaotic, we’re on the same boat..I’m on some freaky meds too…I’m fucked up and not going to class today…woo hoo!

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

I’ve missed damn near a weeks worth of classes, so I’m forcing myself to go to accounting. But damn…the thing that gets me is seeing the fucking creepy crawlers randomly…

I just can’t focus on the effing homework…I’m finally drugged enough to type and read, but I can’t read for long periods of time (for instance, I couldn’t get past the first paragraph and the first photo…

5 08 2008
TomatoHead

ST- I just learned about this in my Native American studies class. When Native Americans got pushed onto reservations, YT took their children and put them in boarding schools in other parts of the country. They would teach them English and force them to cut their hair and wear :white: clothing. If they spoke their native languages they’d get punished. Some kids ran away back to their reservations. Some kids were kicked out.

But the whole idea behind the boarding schools was to get the “Indian” out of them. And one guy (who’s name I can’t remember) actually had that as his school slogan: Kill the Indian, Save the Man. Basically destroy the Native culture and force the man to assimilate into white culture.

5 08 2008
TomatoHead

i’m laying here in a slight daze. My jaw randomly hurts (i think because i was grinding my teeth in my sleep) and my limbs feel kind of numb.

Unlike you, I don’t have a physical ailment and I do hope you get better ASAPS.

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

@ Tomato… The Native American’s in my family (actually both of my grandparents were half Cherokee), decided to fuck fighting it and get them some white folk lovin’…lol…

So yea, thats why my brown cousins on my mom side all have long and pretty baby fine hair, and either grey or green eyes….Thats also why I have to claim that bastard Bing Crosby as a relative.

But yea…my family is definitely unique on both sides, since they all wanted to not-claim their own races (the Cubans don’t speak spanish by choice and claim their born American despite green cards; the Native Americans either claim black or white, but never Native American).

…and people wonder why I grew up with a severe identity crisis when I found out people lied to me…

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

@ tomato…thanks!

But seriously, I don’t know what scares me most: the combo of the meds, or the fact that my immune system is so weak that if I catch something else, I’m in the hospital for a few days?

Oh, and btw, the other ailment is really bad Bronchitis. I think its stress…

5 08 2008
Jeresmom

I am loving that ad am may have to follow Blackberry’s lead and put it on a t-shirt.

5 08 2008
puff

God bless absolut.

if there’s one thing i really dislike about living in the united states, it’s this “melting pot” bullshit. i hate that les blancs feel that they have to be made to feel comfortable under all circumstances to do with race/culture. this is why i loudly lambast slavery/colonialism/pale skin that turns pink between june and september whenever white people are around. i like basking in the evils they throw when i start yelling at them.

fuck it, going to eat.

5 08 2008
lachickforever

See I knew there just HAD to be a reason why I drink so much Absolut and cranberry!

5 08 2008
Ms. Sula

There’s an African proverb that says:
“As long as the hunter is the one writing his story, he would have the heroic part of the story”…

5 08 2008
lachickforever

But seriously I worked undercover security at UCLA and someone (who was white) described a suspect to me and when I asked what he “looked” like he said, “I don’t know he was just American.” The guy actually used that term to mean someone was just white. Chris, in my mind I scalped him, but really I did nothing but seethe.

5 08 2008
Saun

@puff – i hate that les blancs feel that they have to be made to feel comfortable under all circumstances to do with race/culture.

This shyt makes me sooo furious. I moved from ATL to bum-ba-fuck Minnesota for a job and in a conversation with a manager about why I didn’t want to ski he said and I quote “You need to be willing to try new things”. I looked at him like he was dumb and said “I’m a black women that moved from Atlanta to a small town in Minnesota with only 100 black folks. CLEARLY I’m not the one that has a problem trying new things.” Did I forget to mention that my reason for not wanting to ski was a fear of breaking bones not because of the cold or something typical like that.

We would invite les blancs to the black employee events and they wouldn’t come. The minute we got the black VP’s, CFO, etc to fly in on the private jet for an event they wanted to come. So my question was “who really needed to learn how to step outside of their comfort zone?”

5 08 2008
Ariah

Actually, Texas fought for its independence from Mexico (and won it by kicking ass at San Jacinto, w00t!). Later on, it graced the United States with its presence. ^_^

5 08 2008
TomatoHead

lachickforever: I’ve had lots of similar experiences, mostly in elementary school. I asked this kid what race he was in like, 4th grade I think, and he says American. And I was like, yea we’re all Americans but what race are you? And he’s like, I dunno, American. And then he pointed at various other white kids and was like, they’re American like me. Then he says “You’re black”. And I was like, You’re white. And I’m American too. And he responds with, Oh you’re part white?

I swear to jesus. Everyone who was born here is American. Stupid child.

5 08 2008
blackberry molasses

oh. and whycome people assume that I want to be part of ‘one’ culture, meaning white culture?
i already have a culture filled with fried fish, jolof rice, drinking malta with my dad while watching soccer all saturday, wearing beautiful laces whenever we go out, speaking a language that has a longer history than Latin and having a huge loud loving African family… thankyouverymuch

5 08 2008
TomatoHead

we’re not a melting pot, we’re a salad bowl

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

These fucking 2520’s are staring me down in class b/c i’m coughing…

I should cough on that ….person.

5 08 2008
Jen

“These people are ironic because they’re white supremacists and they don’t even realize it.”

OH GOD, YES. My ex did not understand why I hated NY liberals. This is why. THIS IS WHY!!! I swear to God most white liberals have this vague concept that non-white people are, while humanesque, not quite like them. Even though our suffering is sad to them, we are not believed to have the intelligence to be counted as equals.

This mentality leads to the ignoring and marginalization of human suffering. It also leads to elaborate welfare systems which limit the control of recipients over their own lives. This, in turn, leads to the brainwashing, undereducation, dependency and the crippling of entire nations of people.

Observed in micro: A 20/20 special wherein stupid, liberal bastards travel across the world to return the school book and gawk at the suffering of a Sudanese kid who lost his home and family in a Janjaweed invasion. The bastards did not offer so much a fucking fruit basket to the kid’s currently orphaned, homeless ass, and yet the hundreds of white liberals who reviewed and cut the special before it aired somehow saw nothing wrong with this presentation.

Observed in macro: Israel. Israel is a European colony practicing the massive displacement of brown people, apartheid and murder of innocent children and citizens, much like European colonies before it. Yet, according to the civilized Western world, it has a right to exist. Why do AMERICANS accept that Israel has a right to exist when we all pretend to gasp and be appalled at what happened to Africans and Indians in order to bring our nation to its current state?

Thank you, Chris, for giving a name to this phenomenon: WHITE FORGETFULNESS.

I long ago came to the conclusion that Israel may exist because Arabs (a decidedly non-white collection of beings) are, while humanesque, not quite human. Their suffering is permissibly ignored as was the suffering of the indigenous peoples of every piece of land that white people have ever destroyed/colonized. The fucking connect is never made by the white masses because they are too damn forgetful.

CLARITY AT LAST!!

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

What the hell is up with 2520’s wearing flip flops in the snow?

5 08 2008
TomatoHead

I wear flip flops in the rain 🙂

But never snow…but i don’t live where it snows so

5 08 2008
Omar

THANK YOU JEN, most people say that occupied Palestine is worse than apartheid South Africa…

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/feb/23/israelandthepalestinians.unitednations

It is the same formula, steal all the land, sit the remaining inhabitants on small plots of land where they are barely able to survive. Then pretend that you were oppressed and fought bravely for your “independence” while enslaving others.

Gaza Strip = Reservation

5 08 2008
Cheekie

@chaoticdiva – “What the hell is up with 2520’s wearing flip flops in the snow?”

Since the topic of this post is “White Forgetfulness”, maybe they “forgot” how fucking painful frostbite is. lol

Seriously, though, flip flops AIN’T that comfy for me to be walking around in cold ass weather with some damn toe floss shoes on.

5 08 2008
Muse

Great Post Chris. This is probably one of my favorites. I really have nothing to add except that during high school when discussions came up about race, slavery, and the genocide of Indians I would get into heated discussions with my history/political science teachers which would end up with me going to the principal’s office and my parents getting a call. I never got in trouble because I spoke the truth and well the school didn’t want to get sued.

Since I went to a predominantly White/Other school, every time we had discussions about the topics noted above, my inner field negro would come out and scare the hell out of my classmates and teachers when I told them to their face that White people have blood on their hands and are benefiting from the humiliation my people had to endure. During those times I wasn’t the “safe” Black girl from the valley and everyone was real nervous and careful about what they said. My frustration was that in my AP classes the teachers would gloss over topics about race, slavery, and genocide and try to put a big happy face and act like all is well in the universe. I would prefer if educators would just share the facts and leave the bullshit at home.

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

lmao!!! Yea, in the cold, best believe I’m wearing layers!

5 08 2008
shabooty

I can get down with the ‘one culture’ argument if it’s being made by a white chick that’s trying to CRAMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

$

5 08 2008
Amadeo

El Deguello…Drive through Texas playing it….Loudly.

5 08 2008
B4Prez

It’s because YTs just don’t get cold….generally speaking. I’m from the ‘snowbelt’ and they act like it’s spring and fall all year. The main thing that I never understood, was the hoodie w/ the shorts n flip flops. It was basically the YT uniform where I grew up.

5 08 2008
TomatoHead

Amadeo what the fuck are you on about? What is El Deguello?

5 08 2008
Irami

I agree with the “One Culture” con, which is why I’m surprised you are so taken with Obama. He seems to be trying to ride this one culture bit all the way to the White House. The One Culture bit works as long as white people set the standards for success, standardized tests, drug laws(I can’t see the difference between the cocktail of anti-depressants white chicks take to get over and a heroin needle. Or a drug pusher for oneand a therapist for the other. Whatever happened to just say “No”?), curriculum, social mores and aesthetic standards, and it falls apart as soon as whites have to give up a damn thing, like their suburban house, private school, illegal immigrant gardener, or fast-tracked job.

Obama is offering the One Culture dream, where all sins are forgiven and differences washed over, pesky edges like Jeremiah Wright are rounded off for convenience, the only Negro they are going to have to deal with are the ilk who aspire to look, act and conciliate like Obama.

5 08 2008
Monie

Applauds Jen’s comments….

5 08 2008
riz

Love this post and will link to it every time that the 2520s come up here and start acting a fool.

White Forgetfulness is mufuckin plague on our American lands. And it walks hand in hand with white privilege…

“For there to be one culture, there would have to be forced assimilation into an existing culture*, which is something that minorities (blacks and indians above all) are all too familiar with.”

CO-SIGN! Because when they holler at that One Culture, We Are the World argument, it subconsciously suggests that we just become white, rather than vice versa… Because I know that they sure don’t want to be a one of us, and deal with being Black in America, these days.

Gosh, I’m trying to remember the name of this Critical Race Theory article. It talks about the certain techniques that white people use when they are confronted with the uncomfortable subject of race…. One way is dismissing the Black experience with the One Culture argument… Another way is “robbing” minorities of their experience of oppression by talking about how their white ancestors migrated and worked their way up in hard times, etc.

Does anyone have any idea of what I’m talking about?

5 08 2008
Omar

I hate the “american name” BS anyway, most of their names are British and some of them even have Middle Eastern origins since they are biblical.

What the hell is American culture what is originally from American that isn’t invented by Black people or Native Americans

5 08 2008
B4Prez

‘One’ culture to them means why do we have Black only things, because (in their minds) their stuff is for every1. I explained to a coworker how there are no blacks on tv or movies (besides Will) and the response was, ‘Wow, I never thought of that’, to which I replied, ‘I’m sure’ and walked back to my desk.

5 08 2008
Knatural

I love Jen and Omar!

5 08 2008
Cheekie

@B4Prez – “The main thing that I never understood, was the hoodie w/ the shorts n flip flops. ”

YES! That WAS the uniform while I was at college. Those mofos need to seriously pick a season. I mean, are you hot or are you cold? Why is part of their body hot (requiring the shorts/flip-flops) and the other part cold (requiring the hoodie)? It’s attached to the same body, no?

5 08 2008
5 08 2008
riz

@Irami,

A Black man running for president has to walk very very narrow lines in all directions, and Obama is a professional tightrope performer. That’s what he needs to do to win, and I support everything that enables him to do so. Once he gets into office, then maybe the One Culture argument will be less necessary…. But I don’t even think he does do the One Culture thing. He identfies as a Black man; has a Black family and 2 gorgeous little girls. He talks about hope and change, but he never says that race doesn’t matter.

5 08 2008
Amadeo
5 08 2008
Muse

Shoot I like my culture. Why would I want to be like anyone else? The differences between people make life interesting but they shouldn’t be used as a tool to discriminate or alienate a certain group of people. White Americans are always pushing the one culture BS because the truth is that they don’t have a culture of their own. Every civilization White people have touched has either be destroyed or died off as a result of disease. Whites are like parasites; they take and take until nothing is left. Even White Europeans took most of their culture from other civilizations they conquered.

5 08 2008
Omar

B4Prez (17:53:46) :

“‘One’ culture to them means why do we have Black only things, because (in their minds) their stuff is for every1. I explained to a coworker how there are no blacks on tv or movies (besides Will) and the response was, ‘Wow, I never thought of that’, to which I replied, ‘I’m sure’ and walked back to my desk.”

Speaking of no black people on TV or movies, I was watching “Wall-E” and there were no black or otherwise people of color in the future…

5 08 2008
Jen

“We Are the World argument, it subconsciously suggests that we just become white, rather than vice versa…”

@Riz – Well, take heart! As a Black person in America, you can never become white. You are a part of the “problem that solves problems”.

Have you ever read any of the sociological theory that equates the assimilation of immigrant groups with their whitening and indicates that at the crux of this whitening process is the rejection/betrayal of Black Americans? A couple of people push this idea. Apparently, all groups who have “become white” in this country have done so at the expense of Black people, with the noted exception of Jews. We’re the fire that boils the melting pot, so to speak.

5 08 2008
riz

@Muse,

This is what I learned about American history in high school.

1. There were Indians.
2. Christopher Columbus needed some spices and got his punk ass lost and “discovered” an entire continent.
3. Indians helped him through the winter because everyone was friends.
4. Framers
5. Revolution
6. Some people had slaves but only in the south.
7. Abraham Lincoln freed slaves
8. Martin Luther King Jr. did a speech and made everything better.

As far back as 4th grade, I remember arguing with my teacher about Christopher Columbus. I didn’t know the whole story at that age, but something just didn’t sound right to me.

Thank GOODNESS for African-American and Ethnic studies in college. Otherwise, I would have been at a heightened risk for a case of the Bob Johnsons.

5 08 2008
Monie

Irami,

Lately I’ve been afraid to post anything remotely negative about Sen. Obama, especially on a Black run blog. I support him but I am not happy about a few things with him. Yesterday I was attacked for pointing out that Barack would never have told a White, Jewish or Hispanic voter that ‘maybe they should consider voting for someone else’, as he told the Black gentleman in Florida last week. Sen. Obama has definitely begun to take the Black vote for granted, as have the Democrats in general.

5 08 2008
riz

@ Jen,

Yeah, “Whiteness” is a legal construct that was erected to protect slavery as an institution.

5 08 2008
gabrieloneverything

“What the hell is American culture what is originally from American that isn’t invented by Black people or Native Americans”

Mountain Dew, FRIENDS and mayonaise…

5 08 2008
Jo

Jen: that makes sense. Kind of how back in the day Italian immigrants immediately began a campaign against blacks. If they could point the finger at us as the “Other”, they would appear white by default.

5 08 2008
Monie

Jen,

Apparently some Asians are in the process of becoming White as we speak.

5 08 2008
Omar

@Irami – “…which is why I’m surprised you are so taken with Obama.”

This still doesn’t explain support for John “I will invade any country of color I want” McCain

Or your support for Ralph “King of forgetful white liberals” Nader…

5 08 2008
DToX

i am new to your blog and i love it already… a friend on twitter linked it and now i am figuring out how to get everybody i know reading it

http://www.myspace.com/xxxdtox

5 08 2008
Amadeo

Despite that it’s bigging up an italian white:

Amerigo Vespucci

The damn country is named after him…so why are people caught up on Columbus? Holidays, schools and all that. We don’t live in Columbia.

5 08 2008
riz

@Amadeo,

Because Columbus brought “the sex pox” and made white Imperialism easier to achieve!

5 08 2008
Knatural

Fuck Columbus!

5 08 2008
Amadeo

@ Riz

I wonder if he quoted Mercutio: “A pox on both your houses!”

El Deguello is actually a touching song…to me anyway.

5 08 2008
Omar

@Amadeo – Mayanaise was invented in Spain, and Friends is a white-washed version of ‘Living Single’, i guess I can give them Mountain Dew but carbonated soft drinks come from the Middle East.

5 08 2008
Cheekie

“What the hell is American culture what is originally from American that isn’t invented by Black people or Native Americans”

The White Man’s Overbite?

5 08 2008
TomatoHead

Chuck Norris would kick Columbus’ sex pox ass.

5 08 2008
Muse

Chuck Norris is white which makes him flawed. ::RUNS::

5 08 2008
Knatural

What the hell is American culture what is originally from American that isn’t invented by Black people or Native Americans

Head lice?

5 08 2008
Muse

Gawd Head lice has to be one of the most disgusting shit I’ve ever heard of. When I was younger white kids use to get them all the time. I never had lice..How the fuck do you get lice anyway? Rolling in the dirt? Not taking a bath? What’s the deal? EWWW i feel sick.

5 08 2008
zoso

I think I’m going to officially change my profile photo for 24hrs in honor of that wondrous display of cartography.

5 08 2008
riz

LOL at Muse.

I’d let Jet Li kick Columbus’ ass…

@Amadeo: LOL. Romeo and Juliet had the sex pox too.

And “Friends,” well…. they can have that. It has got to be the whitest show ever created in American history. Even the new 90210 has a Black dude on it! LOL.

5 08 2008
Cheekie

Chuck Norris is probably that “One Culture” they were talking about.

5 08 2008
TomatoHead

I never got lice because my mom used to press my hair whenever a lice outbreak happened at my elementary school. If any of the little buggers were in my hair, they’d die off immediately with the heat. There was always that two weeks or so in school when every little white/asian kid got lice and I never did. Perfect attendance bitches!

5 08 2008
gabrieloneverything

90210 has a new Black dude? He’s always hunting for snowbunnies ain’t he?

5 08 2008
Muse

The Black dude on 90210 was adopted by White folks to save him. LOL. So cliche I know…Lost little negro boy saved by the great white hope.

5 08 2008
BK24/7

@ Jen,

I agree with those theories. Every YT immigrant group was on the bottom of the barrel until they could do the following: Lose their accents. Achieve financial and educational parity with the colonizers. Realize that the “true” enemy are black people.

5 08 2008
Saun

That new 90210 is racist as hell and I will not be convinced otherwise. The only reason the black boy is in 90210 is because he was adopted (read saved) by a white family. You can imagine the racist-assed storylines they are going to have him in. As sure I know the sun will rise tomorrow, I know they are going have him in some “Compton/gang-related/thug/racial profiling/blame-the-black-boy-for-the-missing-jewelry” BS.

5 08 2008
riz
5 08 2008
Cheekie

@ Muse- “The Black dude on 90210 was adopted by White folks to save him. LOL. So cliche I know…Lost little negro boy saved by the great white hope.”

Oh God, STOP. They COULDN’T just PUT him on the show. There had to be an agenda. Not even close to surprised.

5 08 2008
BK24/7

@ Muse,

Did they adopt him to get him away from the tough streets of Baltimore? Will Dukie make any guest appearances?

5 08 2008
Amadeo

Hey now don’t forget…white people have Arthur Fonzarelli…but Shaft would kick his ass.

5 08 2008
gabrieloneverything

“Dixon, a star athlete and scholar who was adopted by the Wilson family after they took him in as a foster child.” -wikipedia

He couldn’t have been on quick recall or academic team or something? Who am I kidding…it’s hollywood.

5 08 2008
riz

They say that he’s supposed to be the Brandon Walsh, so he’s supposed to be Mr. Perfect…. which means he will probably be the asexual, “buddy” type character… And why does he have to be adopted? No Black people can afford to live in B Hills? Can’t have an entire Black family, could you?

They also have a PERSIAN Guy who will play an Andrea Zuckerman role.

5 08 2008
Amadeo

It would be nice if he went hardcore/Baltimore/Omar on some 90210 kid.

5 08 2008
puff

lmao @ amadeo – i can see ol boy strolling round beverly hills in an overcoat swinging a shotgun… make the show more interesting anyway.

5 08 2008
TomatoHead

They should have all the cast be Persian..I know more Persians who live in Beverly Hills than anyone else.

5 08 2008
Defiant

I’ve experienced first hand white forgetfulness, it happens all the time here in Canada. Canada is a nation that simply doesn’t like to talk about hard issues relating to race or any hitorical fact that makes Whites in Canada look worst or the same as Whites in the States.
I live in Toronto, Canada’s major city here there is a wide array of different ethnic cultures, and pretty much is the show case of the diversity Canada claims to offer. While watching the news a few years back with my now ex white girlfriend who was from a small town, a stat came up which stated: that Toronto’s visible minorities now out number whites in the city. I’ll never forget my ex’s comment which was ” thats horrible”! I was shocked by her response and asked why she felt that way… Her repsonse was that if we keep letting in imigrants there will less and less white people and eventually Canada won’t look or be like it is now! I barfed in my mouth at the thought that I was with a person like this but tried to smooth things over by trying to explain to her that her view was fucking retarded but I sat on it.
A few months later while still with the same girl she made another comment. She had recently gotten a job at a retail store where most of her co-workers and managers were black, while filling out a an employee store review card she came accross the question… What could be done to improve the store? Her answer as a joke to me was hire more white people. I barfed again this time in her face and dumped her that same night.

Theories of melting pots, cultural mosaics, and diversity in general are all things whites like to say they are buzz words, when the reality of the matter is that the only way they’ll be happy with any of the above concepts is if they are holding all the cards which they currently are!

Sometimes it takes a few wacks in the head for things to compute for me. I’ve met some really awesome white people in my day but once I get to know them well enough they all come out with this bullshit racist rederic which typically results in the end of my friendship with them.

5 08 2008
Knatural

Rich White don’t adopt poor Black teenagers!
They adopt poor Black African babies and change their names. That show’s sooo unrealistic…I refuse to watch.

5 08 2008
riz

I’m not gonna lie– I have to watch episode 1 of the new 9-0, but only because it’s written by the same guy who wrote my favorite show ever, Veronica Mars. So this means that there is an off-chance that it’s a witty show with a lame premise… Possibly.

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

You know what? I like “My name is Earl” because it makes 2520’s look very…trailer…

…minus the token black dude. But hey, I’ve seen better in the projects.

5 08 2008
puff

@ defiant – even though i’m sure you don’t hit women, tell me that you gave the bitch a straight backhand slap for that comment.

5 08 2008
B4Prez

@Omar – Doesn’t surprise me about Wall- E. And this is why it disappoints me so much that many black ppl take this notion of turning down any and everything black.

We’ve all ready established that the YTs arent going to watch and support any of our stuff, but if we don’t do it then it’ll be 2028 and we’ll be on the SBPH comment board talking about the next show that’s casting some black boy to save him from his blackness.

Also, as the black pop continues to shrink in comparison to the Latino population, all of these ‘token’ black roles are about to become token Latino roles. It’s all about marketing and advertisement. And we’ll be lookin at Vogue, TV, and Wall-E part 10 complaining about how there aren’t any black ppl in anything.

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

My fave 2520’s? Has to be Greeks. They HATE white folks, and they look out for the minorities out my way. And they invented the fucking coney island!!!

…I’m always getting discounts there…

5 08 2008
riz

… and followed it up with an “Bitch needed to get backhanded, eh?”

5 08 2008
Amadeo

@ CD

Darnell has show more intelligence then everyone on that show at various points in time.

Score 1 for the Token Black guy.

I always loved that the Black kid on South Park is named Token…honesty is refreshing.

5 08 2008
mari

YTs are so forgetful…in my dorm, our ‘multicultural educators’ had this activity to see how far behind white ppl minorities truly are; none of that ‘we’re all equal!’ BS. they would ask a question, and if it was bad and applied to you, you took a step back, if good, you go forward…tell me why i came in about 30 mins late and took about….12 steps back?!?!?! and hmm, 2 steps forward?! yeah, the YTs were looking amazed.

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

@ B4prez…what people fail to realize is that 2 of the largest groups of latinos in the U.S. are pretty much black. Hell, most caribbean latinos are african descended and speak spanish. Hang out with a Cuban/Dominican/Rican for a day and see what I mean…

…but yea….Wall-E is a Disney film. There will be NO black people in it because its not in the time of slavery during the south. Hell, even the new black princess is from the segregation/sharecropping era…

5 08 2008
Jeresmom

So is that guy Chris Brown cause it looks like him

5 08 2008
former lurker

@ muse: “How the fuck do you get lice anyway? Rolling in the dirt? Not taking a bath? What’s the deal?”
yup, thats pretty much how. when the white girls used to ask me how come i didn’t wash my hair every day like them, my reply was always how come you wash you hair but still get lice every damn month?!?!

@ gabrieloneeverything: it’s the same cat from the wire. the one that got hard and capped snoop. i noticed that on the previews though, they always show all the white kids together, then a millisecond shot of ol dude. so if u don’t pay attention, you may miss him.

5 08 2008
puff

@ amadeo – i loooooove token black. and all the south park episodes about black people generally, like the one with the athletes and the one with “a person who gets on your nerves: N_GGER” – bwaahahaaha

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

@ Amadeo…South Park is my shit!!!

But yea…I hate how that white hoe always steals Darnell’s ideas as her own…

5 08 2008
puff

@ jeresmom – he’s called tristan wilds

5 08 2008
riz

Funny, though, Token never gets clowned on, but Cartman is ALWAYS on Kyle for being Jewish.

It IS refreshing.

5 08 2008
Amadeo

Oh shyt @ CD

We used to rent space for this Youth Center from a Greek guy named Mr. Handakis, he had a dry cleaners under us. He loved to talk about how stupid the (white) Board for our parent agency was. Always looked out for me.

Funny he stayed in this area until he just didin’t want to work anymore.

His son used to be on the Young and the Restless.

5 08 2008
gabrieloneverything

@ former lurker:

lol. I already watch Greek and OTH. They’re pretty bad with tokens, I don’t need another show full of White people to become obsessed with.

5 08 2008
Jeresmom

DAMN I THOUGHT HE LOOKED FAMILLIAR, now i see the Wire reference, I am a lil slow today

5 08 2008
Sister Toldja

I like “Friends”. I don’t think they would have had a bunch of Black or Latina homies around, though I think the guys would have dated more Asian women and one of the girls would have fucked a brother or two…I was glad NOT seeing it, lol. Just because NYC is a mixed city, doesn’t mean everybody rolls all multi-culti.

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

I’m eating the best freaking chili cheese fries!!!

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

I watch Desperate Housewives…and Will and Grace…

those are my 2 white people shows…

5 08 2008
Knatural

My first kiss was with a Greek boy…my first and last time outside (kinda).
All Greek surnames sound like some mutant fungus, can’t marry that – not that I would change my name anyway.
I do love mousaka, though.

5 08 2008
riz

White people get lice because they don’t put product in their hair. Come on now, some scalp oil and hair lotion (or what we used to call “grease,”) is good for hair. White people are too busy asking us about how we did that to our hair, then they don’t take care of their sh*t.

Lice is also a side effect of inbreeding, which many white people engage in, as means to keep the race “pure.”

(Okay, I made that second part up).

5 08 2008
B4Prez

BTW, the adopted kid will be the ‘perfect guy’ so they can get a two-for. They get to depict a ‘positive black male’, but spin it as ‘he’s positive becus he’s adopted by YT’.
Not to mention, he’ll only date YT girls so that they can promote how ‘we’re all the same and this generation doesn’t see race’, while quietly illustrating how this ‘perfect’ black guy will never be snagged by a black woman.

This will all fly over many EBP’s heads as they watch and support under the notion of ‘it’s not a black show, so it must be great’.

5 08 2008
TomatoHead

chaotic: I’m eating a very tasty chicken, tomato and broccoli pizza.

I want chili cheese fries now…

5 08 2008
gabrieloneverything

@ chaotic diva:

All my TV is white, anime/cartoons, or espn. Most current Black shows suck.

5 08 2008
5 08 2008
TomatoHead

white people are dry…like a piece of toast.

5 08 2008
riz

Nah, I don’t think they’ll let B Hills Token date white girls. Too scary for white men to think about.

And I repeat; Veronica Mars is my shit.

5 08 2008
puff

@ riz bwahahahaahahaha i haaaaaaaaaaaate white people hair. i remember when all the white chicks at my school would have lice, but i was always good cos they couldn’t get a nit comb through my hair…. i hate how their hair gets all greasy when they don’t wash it for two days, shit looking so oily it’s damp (bleugh)

5 08 2008
Defiant

No but you’re right I should have back handed her for that. But rather it just verified one of my biggest fears about people. When I first met her I never would have guest that she would have turned out like that. After that night when I blew up and accused her of being a fucking racist her only response was that she couldn’t be because she was with me, this of course only angered me more. Dig deep enough into anyones psychie and you’ll find some seriously nasty shit. I don’t think all whites have this out look but I do think most do, especially when a topic of “us” vs. “them” arises. I think we’re all guilty of it no matter what race we are. At one point in my life I tried to look past such things like race, and culture but the way our whole world is set up only reinforces the differences insted of the simularities. Fuck if the white irish and white british hated each other for hundreds of years, then hate based on different skin colour is just too easy for these people.

5 08 2008
gabrieloneverything

What about an asian girl?

5 08 2008
Sister Toldja

TomatoHead (18:55:22) :

white people are dry…like a piece of toast

LMAO LMAO LMAO

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

@ Gabriel…

Best black/mixed shows:

* Greys Anatomy (I love Dr. Yang….Izzie is fucking annoying)

* Girlfriends (my fave….they’re all educated black people that speak good english that haven’t disowned their black sides).

* The Game (you have your stereotypes, you have your educated, I like the diversity).

…does anybody else miss Jacque Reid from BET Nightly News? She’s such an awesome person!!!

5 08 2008
Amadeo

Um….I like How I met your Mother

NPH!!!!

5 08 2008
Knatural

ahahahahahahah
Doogie!

5 08 2008
Monie

…Wondering why Defiant continued to date aforementioned White girl….

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

@ tomato…thats why they call them crackers – dry pieces of hardened bread.

@ Gabriel…depends on where the Asian is from. Filipinos HATE whites….my girl is from the Philipines and she was like “what the hell is wrong with white people” when she first came over here. It was hilarious!

5 08 2008
TomatoHead

I don’t watch tv so much…only reality shows like Project Runway and America’s Next Top Model. They always have diverse groups and gays galore.

5 08 2008
former lurker

while we’re on tv shows, why in the holy hell does luke (yes, freaky deek luke that made some of the best stripper songs to date) have a tv show!??!?!?

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

you know whats a scary place? Utah….

There are NO black people in that entire state.

5 08 2008
gabrieloneverything

@chaotic diva:

I joined the group and wholeheartedly agree with it.

I used to like Greys until Burke and Addison left. It became horrid. Girlfriends I can watch if I’m bored. The Game is my ish…

Kelsey Grammar (however you spell it) knows too much…

5 08 2008
Monie

“…does anybody else miss Jacque Reid from BET Nightly News? She’s such an awesome person!!!”

I bet Jacque Ried is somewhere kicking her own ass for leaving CNN for BET.

5 08 2008
former lurker

and it comes on vh1, right after new yorks new show (yes, new york has a new show) and i wanna work for diddy.

it’s like monday night is coonery night on vh1 or some shit.

5 08 2008
riz

I’m down with my Filipinos, for sure. They are considered the Black people of Asia and I grew up around a lot of Filipinos. My hometown had a restaurant called Lumpia and Ribs! Yes, I’m not lying…

And in general, I’m down with my East Indians. Honestly, I have had only positive experiences with young Indian people.

5 08 2008
Get Togetha

” A People’s History of the United States” is also a great read.

5 08 2008
B4Prez

The only YT shows worth watching consistently (I refuse to sit around and watch YTs do everyday things that they never allow blacks to be depicted doing, [see: Friends, and virtually all laugh track sitcoms]) are 30 Rock, Weeds, The Comeback (low-key HBO show)and the Office. I might be missing a few, but how many shows do we need to see young YTs living life like they’re no problems.

And for some reason all of the Blacks I know who love Friends and the like, always have a problem with the black shows that do the same thing (Girlfriends and The Game).

@chaotic – My best friend is Puerto Rican. I’m from NY and here, PR and blacks get along just fine, but the Dominicans…they haven’t been here long enough to realize that they’re pretty much the same as us to the YTs.

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

@ riz…there was this cute Indian dude that used to live in my bldg at MSU…he was cool ppl.

OOOh!!! I LOVE Australians!!! They are cool as hell!

5 08 2008
Shavonne Nicole

I freaking loved Jacque Reid! What’s she doing now?

5 08 2008
Knatural

UGH! I saw I Wanna Work for Diddy last night…that big girl – Kim – pissed me off. I hate VH1.

5 08 2008
former lurker

does BET nighly news even come on anymore?!?!? if so, i’d be very surprised

5 08 2008
TomatoHead

I hate Girlfriends because the acting sucks and the story lines suck. The characters, to me, aren’t interesting at all.

5 08 2008
Knatural

Austrailians are racist…

5 08 2008
riz

Love 30 Rock. Are they bringing it back next season?

Weeds is okay, but annoys me. Nancy is a weak woman. Her kids need their asses beat. And there are no good Black female roles.

Project Runway is the business. Top Model used to be better before Tyra kinda lost her mind. It has become the Kiss Tyra’s Behind show.

5 08 2008
colasally abundant number

Just so I have this all straight in my mind. If I (as a colasally abundant number) treat blacks based on the the way that ghetto fuckface did after he knocked up my sister, I am a narrow minded racist. After all, he is not an ambassador for his race, no-one should be.
Got it.
All people are there own people, representing only themselves. Carrying my dislike of him over to others who remind me of him is short sided and bigoted. I agree completely.
The black man I’m speaking to on my smoke break deserves to be looked at on his own merits without my bad experiences with other black folks affecting my opinions.
Well I guess I can just hate all the white folks, at least that’s still ok. (unless they are gay, of course)
Boy am I enlightened now, thanx

5 08 2008
Knatural

Um. The only worth-while show on TV is Lost. Full stop.

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

@ Knat…maybe just the ones I met were cool. They like to drink and party…and one of them, I’m really cool with. He used to date my suitemate, so he was always trying to get me to come drink and hang out.

5 08 2008
former lurker

@ B4Prez: i love friends, girlfriends, and the game. i’m just weird like that though.

btw, the office is my shit. and two and a half men is hi-fuckin-larious

5 08 2008
TomatoHead

colasally abundant number: your grammar and spelling mistakes render your idiotic comment moot. Go away and allow us to chat about television.

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

@ Riz…I love 30 Rock…Tracy Morgan is a fool!

As for Weeds, I agree…however, that show is addicting. Nancy is a whore though.

5 08 2008
Knatural

Non-reality show, that is.
Project Runway is great!

5 08 2008
B4Prez

@gabriel – Kelsey Grammar knows that no one else is tapping into the audience, so if he stays in the cut and signs the checks and lets Mara Brock Akil run the show, then in the long run, the Jews start signing checks addressed to him.

5 08 2008
TomatoHead

I’ve come across several groups of Australians and they were always nice to me. I had a rower (seeeexy) try to hit on me in my first year here…but I didn’t get his number and never saw him again on campus. It was like he literally disappeared.

5 08 2008
Defiant

@ Monie
Not really sure we were both sociology majors and would have conversations of this sort at the beginning. As time moved forward I noticed that her hidden views were extremely skewed and insted of saying white vs black for her arguements she would say small town vs/ big city. In retrospect it was a mistake to stick around after the first initial comments but I typically chalk shit like this up to ignorance and try to educate the person that they have an incorrect view. As I’ve gotten older I don’t deal with shit like that anymore you either as a person come correct with me or not at all!

5 08 2008
former lurker

@Knatural: LOST is my shit! i was sleeping at first, and it’s impossible to understand what the hell is going on if you don’t watch it from the beginning. can’t wait for next season to start, gonna be some ill ish….

5 08 2008
Monie

It’s really weird/ interesting that people are commenting that entire groups of people are either cool with Black people or are racist. There are racists and “cool” people amongst every group. So why generalize. (Scratches head)

Last I heard about Jacque Ried she was trying out for The View. That didn’t go so well, she was beat out by (dumbass) Sherri Shepard.

5 08 2008
riz

@Defiant,

Hey, you tried. A lot of us have felt the need to “educate” others. But after a while… Man, I am personally not the one. Billy Bob Clinton showed us how white people are deep down inside…. You learned a tough lesson, but good for you for calling her out on it. You need to let her know that she is racist so she can’t go on justifying her behavior by saying “I dated a Black guy once.”

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

Um, colasally abundant number, I’m sure whites sit in their own little world making comments about blacks thinking nobody is listening. Trust, I’ve heard some of the off-color humor (no pun intended) spawning from “you people”.

For you to be offended on a privately funded website in which nothing was directed to you personally means you have way too much time on your hands. I am truly sorry that your sister has had the unfortunate encounter with the scum of our race, however, just as you discuss your experience with that person, we discuss our experiences with the scouring scum of your race.

Hope you enjoy your cancer stick.

5 08 2008
Sister Toldja

Riz- He’ll date White girls, because he will be some punk-ass “emascualted” boy who poses no threat. OR, they will try to be edgy and let him be street and still put him with Becky. The White man doesn’t tresure his little girl as much as he once did, he likes money way more.

And putting a pretty Black girl on there threatens the White gals who pale (hi-YO!) in comparison by default. They may give him a hoodrat chick from his old life to dump, I could see that.

5 08 2008
Sister Toldja

What in the hell does colasally mean? Cola Sally? Is that your nick name? Do you drink a lot of Coke?

5 08 2008
gabrieloneverything

My money is still on him dating some Asian girl. That way he still has his “Whiteness” but the man doesn’t have to sacrifice his woman…at least earlier on in the series.

5 08 2008
Knatural

I ove Lost. One thing that helps mitigate confusion is lostpedia.com. I can’t wait until next season!

5 08 2008
B4Prez

@ tomato – Persia White and Tracy Ellis Ross are hilarious. One of the few entertainers to get a parent pass into Hollywood who actually deserved it.

@riz – That’s one reason I like Nancy on Weeds. She’s so deep in the game that she can’t even keep up with her kids. It’s more realistic that way.

@former lurker – 3 and 1/2 men IS funny.

Did any1 else see The Comeback on HBO w/ Lisa Kudrow? It was hilarious but they didn’t bring it back. If you catch it on demand, I promise you will love it.

5 08 2008
puff

@ monie – i’ve tried to give the 2520s the benefit of the doubt. really, i have. but 11 years of “you speakenz zee eenglish?” just ground on my nerves a little too much… so i gave up hoping to find one cos all the ones i’ve met are either a) overtly racist or b) the pseudo-liberal/educated/free darfur closeted racists. over a decade, not one that’s cool. i’m gonna say with those stats, i’m entitled to my opinion, cheers very much.

p.s. i really don’t hate white people that much, that’s way too much energy directed at their asses than i can afford to give.

5 08 2008
Omar

chaoticdiva (19:01:57) :

“you know whats a scary place? Utah….

There are NO black people in that entire state.”

Except for Karl Malone… How did a state with no black people get a basketball team called THE JAZZ and I’m in ‘Chocolate City’ and our team name is the fuckin Wizards…

5 08 2008
Monie

Defiant,

I think a lot of people have had those types of relationships. Sometimes it’s not even about race, it can be just about being ignorant in general and we stick around hoping we can enlighten the other person.

5 08 2008
puff

@ ST cola sally had me confused too… perhaps an attempt at clever word play?

5 08 2008
Knatural

The Jazz moved from Louisiana to Utah. Can’t name a basketball team the Utah Polygamists.

5 08 2008
Yonnie 3k

Wait! Michael from the Wire is gonna be on 90210? That’s all the reason I need to check it out right there.

5 08 2008
TomatoHead

colasally can’t spell

5 08 2008
riz

@TH: That is my #1 beef about YT TV: THEY NEVER PUT BEAUTIFUL BLACK WOMEN UP AGAINST A WHITE GIRL.

Seriously. All the gorgeous Black women in the industry, and they never put a pretty Black woman in a white show. It’s always a token Black dude, or some girl who is not as attractive as the white girls. Why is that? Someone please explain it to me because it pisses me off.

5 08 2008
Irami

[quote]A Black man running for president has to walk very very narrow lines in all directions, and Obama is a professional tightrope performer. That’s what he needs to do to win, and I support everything that enables him to do so. [/quote]

I don’t support the do-what-you-need-to-do-to-win ethic. It’s shameful when white people do it, and it’s even worse when black people do it because we should know better.

“This still doesn’t explain support for John “I will invade any country of color I want” McCain

Or your support for Ralph “King of forgetful white liberals” Nader…”

I don’t support John McCain. I do believe that the country will survive a straight-talking jackass like McCain, but I think that a bigger danger will come by people confusing the vague, all-things-to-all-people(with white people first in line)-turkey like Obama. His energy speech yesterday in Michigan was a step in the right direction.

With Nader, I flat out agree with him regarding education and the justice system. Those are two huge issues with me, and if the rest of the world hasn’t figured out that Nader is right, then maybe my vote will remind them.

5 08 2008
Monie

puff,

Okay. But my point was more to how people generalize about us, Black people. So I just try not to do it to others.

5 08 2008
Irami

Nobody is going to confuse McCain for a role-model. I just want to make sure that nobody confuses Obama for one, either.

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

lmao @ Omar…

Note: as of 2005,blacks make up 1.32% of Utah’s total population.

5 08 2008
colasally abundant number

Wicki colasally abundant number, read the list of what they are. It was a math joke for Chris.

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

@ riz….10 Things I Hate About You…Gabrielle Union was a bitch…but she was the other popular girl…

5 08 2008
riz

LOL @ Omar!

“Colasally” was incoherent. All I got was something about his sister opening her legs to a Black dude and then Black dude was called the ghetto one. Yeah, I don’t know about all that. I feel bad for the future biracial kid though– looks like he’s gonna be born into a family of racist rednecks….

For that reason, I’ll take it easy on Colasally, bc at least he’s trying. He’s reading the site, smoking cigs with Black people…. Hopefully, he can get it together before his nephew reaches puberty.

5 08 2008
Monie

I think the only Black people in Utah are people from New Orleans after Katrina. I wonder how that’s working out for them….

5 08 2008
B4Prez

@Yonnie – He won’t quite be playing Micheal from the Wire with this new check/gig.

@riz – For the same reason that they don’t put regular black ppl in anything…We’re only loud, troublesome, ghetto, hookers, pimps, the magical negro, and the likes.

They won’t cast a pretty black woman because she she’s ‘to pretty’ to play the kind of black character they’ve written.

LMAO@UTAH POLYGAMISTS

5 08 2008
riz

@CDica; that’s true. Bring it On, too.

5 08 2008
puff

@ monie – i feel you. but whereas the stereotypes with us are not often true, the stereotypes i was talking about with white folk always are…. so i assume that i’m not generalising, and that’s what they’re really like.

i’ll happily admit to my lack of political correctness. that’s why i keep coming back to this damn crack addict site.

5 08 2008
TomatoHead

Irami your vote won’t do shit

5 08 2008
Monie

Lol@Puff…okay, got it.

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

colasally abundant number = 2520. Makes sense.

lol…

Ok, I’m done with this cretin…He’s making my grammatical siren go off.

5 08 2008
Omar

Knatural (19:19:36) :

“The Jazz moved from Louisiana to Utah. Can’t name a basketball team the Utah Polygamists”

Can’t be worse than the REDSKINS…

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

@ Omar….the Lions…

…only because they suck.

5 08 2008
Monie

Question: why do people try to talk to you when you are listening to your ipod? And why do they keep talking even after you give them a black stare that says “I’m really into this song so I don’t really give a fcuk what you are talking about”.

5 08 2008
riz

Wow, I guess math *is* the universal language!

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

@ Monie…I know how you feel. I wear freaking hot pink and white earbuds that stand out on my brown skin….and you can’t figure out that I can’t hear you? Especially when in the gym…you see me lip syncing with the song…what other signs do you need?

5 08 2008
BK24/7

“Note: as of 2005,blacks make up 1.32% of Utah’s total population.”

I believe all black people in Utah are involved with sports. They are one of the following:

1. Playing ball in college.
2. Playing ball in the pros.
3. Related to someone involved with nos. 1 and 2.

5 08 2008
Omar

@Irami – You really think the US can survive John “World War III” McCain, I’m not sure the world could take…

5 08 2008
B4Prez

TomatoHead: “Irami your vote won’t do shit”

LMAO…I love when ppl put down the thesaurus and just get to the point.

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

Irami is John McCain…or one of his kids from one of his marriages….

5 08 2008
Kristina

This is a really good post. I frequent a board on this sex ed site gURL.com, and they have various topics. One of them is racism. We always have the white liberals saying “Why can’t blacks get over slavery! I didn’t even own slaves!” Then some black person will say “Why can’t you get over the Holocaust!” And then we have a big cat fight. I should just post this and say “Read the comments, AND TALK TO AN ACTUAL BLACK PERSON before you say get over it.” I go to a predominately white private school, and I ended up being friends with the ‘colorblind’ people. One of them actually said “Did you get corn-braids?” She was trying to say cornrows, and I was about to start bursting out laughing, but I didn’t(her mom was right there and she was paying for dinner). Anyway, what I’m trying to say is, these people have never seen black people. Especially the girls. At least the boys get to see some when they play football.

5 08 2008
TomatoHead

I have hot pink and white earbuds too!

5 08 2008
Jo

I know I’m late, but did anyone notice that the actress that plays the black kid’s adopted sister on the new 90210 is named Shenae Grimes? The world has turned upside down.

5 08 2008
Monie

chaoticdiva,

With me it’s always grocery store clerks. I see thier lips moving, I know they’re talking to me. But if I take my buds out all they are saying is how are you today. Or would you like to donate to the charity of the month! WTF! Lol

5 08 2008
Knatural

Omar – I hate the name “Redkins”, but I love football sooooo much! *sigh*
I hate you Dan Snyder.

5 08 2008
Kristina

To add to my post:
Or any other minority, except for Indians(from India) and even then, whenever they get mehendi(henna) people start going “Oooh, what’s that? How come you get tattoos?

5 08 2008
former lurker

“I don’t support the do-what-you-need-to-do-to-win ethic. It’s shameful when white people do it, and it’s even worse when black people do it because we should know better.”

the fuck!?!?!? well, i don’t support the waste-money-and-have-unsubstantiated-lofty ideas-that-waste-votes-and-i’ll-never-ever-ever-win ethic. (read: ralph nader)

i totally believe that people have a right to vote for whomever the hell they please. but when they back up their votes with misinformed disillusioned bullshit, it angers me. as much as i hate to say this, it’s true – a vote for nader is a vote for mccain.

5 08 2008
Amadeo

The Office is the shit…I go now to the final portion of my 12 hour day…I hope it rains before the 8th hour.

5 08 2008
Yonnie 3k

I’m surprised I didn’t hear about this Absolut ad. The ad is hilarious and I think WE should BOYCOTT Absolut for making that wack ass apology. I HATE. repeat HATE the wackass apologies that people make after they said exactly what they felt (nappy headed ho’s) or told the truth (Absolut’s map) and somebody got upset.

5 08 2008
The Doc Is In

Knat – oooh you’re a fan of that sucky, most unfortunately named DC footballing team? We have to get together this season and trashtalk over a game. Oct 5 or Dec 21 😀

5 08 2008
TomatoHead

Yonnie I 100% agree. Fake apologies drive me fucking crazy.

5 08 2008
B4Prez

@Jo – I caught that on 1 of those Extra or Access Hollywood shows. I guess they figured with a YT girl named Shanae Grimes, all they need was 1 black.

5 08 2008
Monie

My question about White people adopting is; why do White people who are always going on about patriotism, then adopt babies from communist countries? Does that make sense? I guess anything is better (to those White people) than adopting an African American child.

(All the 90210 talk about the adopted Black kid made me think about this.)

5 08 2008
Knatural

Gross. You’re an Eagles fan. At least you don’t consort with the true enemy – Cowboys. *vomit*

5 08 2008
Amadeo

Ravens…that is all.

Late edition:
Fuck the Patriots
Favre go away.

that is all.

5 08 2008
riz

Katrina, please don’t send those nasty, ignorant little white kids over to this site. I refuse to lower the convo level back to Ethnic Studies 101 where we have to define White Privilege in every single conversation.

If someone has gone their whole life without knowing any Black people, or seeing them, then that is privilege in itself. Tell them not to worry about what Blacks think of slavery because clearly, their lives remain unaffected.

5 08 2008
Omar

“I don’t support the do-what-you-need-to-do-to-win ethic. It’s shameful when white people do it, and it’s even worse when black people do it because we should know better.”

Fuck President, most brothers have to ‘do-what-we need-to-do’ to get and keep a damn JOB… Where the fuck you live, must be nice over there…

5 08 2008
riz

@B4Prez: LMBAO!!!!

5 08 2008
TomatoHead

Yesterday my little sister saw two white ladies (she presumed lesbians) with three little african american girls…

The white gays love adopting african american children. Please explain this to me.

5 08 2008
riz

Fuck President, most brothers have to ‘do-what-we need-to-do’ to get and keep a damn JOB… Where the fuck you live, must be nice over there…

I’m so mad at that!!!!!

ahahahaaha

5 08 2008
former lurker

and is john mccainc NOT doing-what-he-needs-to-do-to win?!?!?!

all politicians to it!!!

@omar: “Fuck President, most brothers have to ‘do-what-we need-to-do’ to get and keep a damn JOB… Where the fuck you live, must be nice over there…”

true…so true. i think one of the best (shit, damn near only good things) about the cnn special was the part about ol dude trying to get a job, and how a damn hard it is for even a ‘well qualified’ black man to get a job just cuz he’s black….
damn shame

5 08 2008
Monie

TomatoHead

You know that’s true, especially White gay men. I’m not sure why that is.

5 08 2008
riz

It’s because gays feel like minorities too.

But there are a lot, LOT of race issues w/in the gay community. Gay men are notoriously racist (Hello, I’m from San Francisco). So I think in all honesty, they adopt the colored kids sometimes because that’s the only ones that they can get.

5 08 2008
former lurker

maybe they think adopting little black babies makes up for all of their ancestors wrong doings.

or maybe they think that when they start handing out reparations, they can get some of that dough too…

okay i’m kidding

5 08 2008
TomatoHead

Hey Riz, I’m in the Bay area too and have had black gay friends of mine basically say that in terms of dating, white males are the best, then small Asian guys then black guys.

And there is also a gay club in San Francisco that won’t let minorities of any type in. I forget which one it is though…

But everytime I go to Disneyland I see shitloads of white gay couples (lesbians included) who come with a cadre of African American kids. It’s kind of nice, to be honest, because the kids always look happy and clean and whatnot.

5 08 2008
Monie

Riz,

I’m from The Bay Area too, so I know what you are talking about. They treat Black gay men pretty bad in the Castro. So you might be right about Black kids being the most available for adoption rather than White gays being less prejudiced.

5 08 2008
Bajan Girl

“I don’t support the do-what-you-need-to-do-to-win ethic. It’s shameful when white people do it, and it’s even worse when black people do it because we should know better.”

WTFF!!!?!?!?!!?!?!? That is the most incomprehensible statement I have ever heard!!!!

Once again I am offended by the magnitude of your ignorance.

5 08 2008
Monie

lmao@small Asian guys

5 08 2008
Cheekie

“I don’t support the do-what-you-need-to-do-to-win ethic. It’s shameful when white people do it, and it’s even worse when black people do it because we should know better.”

So, I guess you won’t be voting for ANY politician, then, huh?

5 08 2008
former lurker

i had no idea that race was such a HUGE issue in the gay community.

learn something new everyday….

any particular reason why?

whats so special about small asians? do they give incredible head to compensate for their small penises??

oops, did i say that out loud

5 08 2008
riz

@TH: I think it was Wasteland that got sued for not letting minorities in.

There is a lot of fetishism in the gay community over Black men. So, yeah, Whites may date them, but for the wrong reasons.

I mean, I’m not hating. I heart my gays, but it can be a very closed community… and don’t get me started about how (especially older gays) can be racist as hell, then start comparing sexuality to race when they try to make a legal argument.

I don’t really see the same malice with lesbians, though. I think a lot of lesbians are cool… But hey, I’m just generalizing.

5 08 2008
Monie

Riz, I think it was Badlands….

5 08 2008
B4Prez

Little black kids come with a buy 1 get 2 free special…that’s y the gays get them so easily, lol

5 08 2008
Monie

lol@Former Lurker

I think White gay men are just like str8 White men when it comes to race, as simple as that.

5 08 2008
former lurker

i’m gonna make up my own hypothesis for why other gays hate on black gays:

they’re jealous of the black man’s huge mandigo penis

5 08 2008
puff

@ former lurker – you hit the nail on the head… from what i hear, that’s actually the case

5 08 2008
riz

Yeah, Badlands. Thanks… Wasteland is a clothing store. =p

5 08 2008
puff

i apologise for the pun, but apparently the asian appeal is that they’re twinks… all delicate and shit. or so i hear.

5 08 2008
Jo

I think the reason most non-minorities go outside of the country to adopt is the because they see little ambiguously African children on informercials dying or preventable diseases and/or starvation. They don’t think about adopting kids here (white, black, or whatever) because they don’t see them as being such a desperate situation. Not to downplay the tragedy of the most impoverished countries, but American children are dying too–from a disease called “ignorance”.

5 08 2008
TomatoHead

Lesbians tend to be more cool because no one likes them. Women don’t like them, men don’t like them and male gays don’t like them. Any time someone is nice to them its like a relief.

Yea, Riz, the older gays are horribly racist, which I’ve always found bizarre.

From my understanding, the small asian male thing is like a fetish. It’s like Yellow Fever for gays.

5 08 2008
Jo

That or is supposed to be “of”.

5 08 2008
Monie

lol@Puff…i have a joke but I’ll leave it alone..:)

5 08 2008
Saun

The white gays love adopting african american children. Please explain this to me.

There is no waiting list for little black babies. Black folks complain if they see white folks with an adopted black child but aren’t in any rush to adopt any themselves. I plan to adopt 1 or 2 in a few years. I’d rather a child have a white parent than no parent at all.

5 08 2008
blackberry molasses

@ the Doc

E-A-G-L-E-S, EAGLES!!!

Lawd, I can’t wait to be at the Linc drunk of my ass singing that stupid song!

5 08 2008
Knatural

i’m gonna make up my own hypothesis for why other gays hate on black gays:
they’re jealous of the black man’s huge mandigo penis

AAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
mythmythmythmythmythmythmyth

5 08 2008
Jeresmom

I absolutely, more than anything in the world, with the utmost fit of anger despise the Eagles, that sorry ass nig nog McNabb and that GODDAMN SONG!!!!!

5 08 2008
Monie

“Lesbians tend to be more cool because no one likes them. Women don’t like them, men don’t like them and male gays don’t like them. Any time someone is nice to them its like a relief.”

Really? I think gay men have a much harder time than lesbians, especially in the Black community at-large.

5 08 2008
riz

American foster children live in a third world of their own. It’s a sad, sick, system where these kids are coming from abusive, neglected, violent backgrounds and often enter into another one. 2520s have NO BUSINESS adopting out of the country when there are so many children in need right here. Stepping right over the kids who need their help, just so they can brag about their exotic babies and fulfill that imperialist blood lust that they have inherited from their ancestors.

I’m sorry. I know its not only a white problem, but they are leading the exodus of overseas adoptions. It angers me so much to see all this need. Children are innocent. They don’t deserve to be treated so poorly.

5 08 2008
Knatural

Madonna outright stole her Black baby.
Whore.

5 08 2008
puff

@ jo – the whole flying to malawi/somalia/timbuktu to steal (i mean, adopt) african children really pisses me off. there are plenty of needy children trapped in the foster care system in america who need loving homes so they’ll grow up successful and happy. and while i appreciate that the poor starving children in africa (eugh, hate that line) need help, the phrase “it takes a village to raise a child” is so often true (ie more often than not, there’s some sort of family to take care of the child if their parents cannot) that i think there are probably more children in desperate need of adoption in the usa.

@ monie – naw you can’t start and not tell the joke now!

5 08 2008
joy

@ riz – “Seriously. All the gorgeous Black women in the industry, and they never put a pretty Black woman in a white show. It’s always a token Black dude, or some girl who is not as attractive as the white girls. Why is that? Someone please explain it to me because it pisses me off.”

That’s why I loved Aisha Tyler on Friends back in the day. Even though it was for a short while, she pwned all those other ugly women.

Also, wrt racism in the gay community, I’ve never seen that. My uncles are in an interracial homosexual relationship (which is probably effing hard in itself) and many of the people I know in WeHo are open to other races. I’m just curious to know more about what you’ve seen/experienced.

5 08 2008
TomatoHead

I know a few lesbians and they say that in the gay community in San Francisco, no one likes a lesbian. None of them are out at work and one even wears a wedding ring. It’s kind of sad, to be honest.

5 08 2008
riz

Hopefully, some Greek lesbians will start adopting Black kids, because that would be the best of SBPH unofficial “they aight” groups (along with Filipinos).

5 08 2008
puff

also @ monie – i agree with you that black gay men probably get more hate than lesbians – i think women’s sexuality historically has been so largely ignored that a woman not conforming to the “norm” probably attracts less hostility than a man.

i also am using the wire as a case study for this, so i’m probably talking out of my ass here, but humour me.

5 08 2008
joy

For fuck’s sake, I should have refreshed before posting. NVM as to the second part of the above.

5 08 2008
Knatural

I don’t like Flippin Pinos!
Damn tongue-talking midgets.

5 08 2008
riz

Well gay guys will f*ck anything that moves, so yeah, many are “open” to other races, but there’s still a value judgment placed on the person, like TH listed above…

5 08 2008
Monie

Men tend to fantasize (3somes, even though why would a lesbian want to be in a 3some with a guy) about lesbians and think they (fem lesbians) are hot, so there isn’t much hostility there. I can’t figure out why gay men would be hostile toward lesbians? But some st8 women are definitely hostile toward lesbians, it’s usually the ones that think every lesbian is trying to sleep with them.

5 08 2008
blackberry molasses

@riz
CO-SIGN!!!!!

Dammit, its actually becoming commonplace in my neighborhood now to see white couples with children from African/South Asian countries… WTF?!?!

What about all the children that I see living in the group homes in the city that don’t have a hope or a prayer… oh, that’s right. They’re just reglar-ass-ghetto-babies… EAGH!

5 08 2008
blackberry molasses

maybe, if they white peoples where I lived really wanted to help “poor starving children”, they could have prevented this from happening…

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/front_page/26172199.html

5 08 2008
Defiant

It’s a fad because of Brangelina! I’ve found white people to be easily programed into buying into random fads. Examples stem from the classic pet rock, to peoples love of the Hills *barf*. Just because a few top list celebs want UN families everyone jumps on board. I doubt it has any link to peoples ancestory being linked to slave owners, it’s just white people thinking in the moment or not really thinking at all… typical.

5 08 2008
Saun

@riz

One reason they go to other countries is b/c US laws allow birth parents to come back for the child within a certain time period, usually 6 months. An overseas parent is usually either dead or doesn’t have the means to come back for their child. It’s wrong but I can understand that people don’t want to get attached to a child they may have to give back. Most of the white folks I have seen have US born babies.

5 08 2008
Monie

“Well gay guys will f*ck anything that moves”

lol..that’s true but so will str8 guys….men in general are like that.

5 08 2008
Uninspired Muse

The memories of high school racial debates ( be proud I didnt strangle anybody).
The ‘one nation’ POV I havent heard, but the “go back to your country” is the main argument you heard in my high school.

…From the same guys who were oh so curious what it would be like to date ::gasp:: outside the white race.

Loved the Ad

5 08 2008
riz

@ Saun,

Thank you for that clarification. I heard that it’s “harder” to adopt in the US. But if Brangelina had started adopting crack babies, they’d be flying off the shelves… And yeah…overseas adoption still sounds like slavery to me. Not the forced work part, but the “take the child and do whatever I want to with it and there is no oversight, from an agency, a social worker, a parent. Nobody at all.” Taking advantage of the indigents in other countries who basically sell their child into hopes for a better life…

It’s wrong and I don’t support it. If

5 08 2008
B4Prez

As for lesbians hating/being hated, I think it’s more-so the butch women. They’re often hitting on str8 women more than they’d like them to, they often like to challenge men in various ways, and they’re quick to call gay men fags faster than a Jamaican. Not to generalize, but, you know how it goes.

5 08 2008
riz

@Blackberry:

That article….

It seriously makes me want to strangle the fcking throat of those people. All nine of them. I am seriously enraged.

5 08 2008
Monie

What’s with Asian chicks dating White guys? I swear I see more Asian women with White men than with Asian men. Asian men must be pissed-off. They are even starting to show Asian women with White men in tv commercials.

Whose gonna date the left-over Asian men?

5 08 2008
puff

@ monie well, black women and asian men are apparently the least married groups in the country so….

i gotta say, i did see a black woman/asian man couple on the subway and i nearly missed my train i was so shocked.

5 08 2008
TomatoHead

Asian chicks like white guys because they have bigger dicks than Asian guys but aren’t black. Black guys are typically unacceptable to Asian parents but Asian parents love a successful white guy or a white guy with successful parents.

Although there are also those Asian families who are obsessed with only marrying Asian as well.

5 08 2008
Defiant

@Monie
There was an article about that on this website which you should read like all of them it’s pretty funny. But you’re right I’ve herd sub par white boys say they’ll date asians because it’s easier for them to do so, again *BARF*. No matter how much it pissed me off looking around at my asian female friends I’d have to say it’s true and equally true for the asian boys. Those boys go ape shit for any and I mean any white girl.

5 08 2008
BK24/7

@ monie

Asian chicks, having already obtained their education and already able to speak English without an accent, are just trying to complete the assimilation process. If they have a child with a white person and that child has a baby with a white person, then their great-grandchild will be practically white and assimilation is complete!

5 08 2008
The Doc Is In

Blackberry – Flyyyyy Eagles Flyyyyyy!!!
And were you the one who mentioned being an epidemiologist? I’m working on an MPH right now, awww, kindred spirits!

5 08 2008
B4Prez

To Asians, esp first generation, landing a YT solidifies their status a true American.

5 08 2008
Monie

@ Defiant…OMG..I have seen the most loser appering White guys with cute Asian chicks..it’s so odd.

@Puff..I’ve seen a few Asian guy/ Black woman couples here. I’m not sure if it will be a trend but the numbers appear to be right to start one.

@TomatoHead..I think you are right about Asian parents not minding White guys dating their daughters, especially about them not liking Black guys dating them. Although I think that’s mostly first generation Asians.

5 08 2008
Defiant

@BK24/7
You’re 100% correct about the assimilation process. Maybe in 1000 years we’ll all be brown with slightly slanted eyes HA one could one hope!

5 08 2008
Monie

@ BK24/7…That’s true, I keep hearing people talking about Asians being the next group to become White.

5 08 2008
riz

If I was Asian, and my parents pressed me to date only a white man, I’d say,”Well, I love you, Mom and Dad, and YOUR not white. This means that I can love non-white people.”

5 08 2008
The Doc Is In

Puff, I know three fabulous black women who recently married Indian guys (of course they’re not who we’re usually talking about when we say “Asian”). Maybe I need to snag one of them, if that’s what’s hot in the streets these days.

5 08 2008
riz

I’m telling you: Indian guys are good looking, and they are nice. I’ve dated 2.

But religion is a potential barrier.

5 08 2008
The Doc Is In

Riz- and there you have it. That is one of the main things that sets me off about black men (or anyone who exclusively dates outside their race) when they go on a diatribe about all the faults of black women. I’m like…really…so that’s what you think about your mother too?

5 08 2008
Monie

As long as they are atleast second generation South Asian (Indian) guys. Otherwise they have some pretty old-fashioned (read: backward) ideas about women.

5 08 2008
Omar

@Knat – THANK YOU!! The kid Madonna has isn’t even an orphan youngin’s father is still alive. they could have at least threw the father a bone, gave him a job or something… What they going to tell the kid when he grows up, “well your father died over there and we could’ve helped but… adopting foreign children was in style not hiring thier parents”

5 08 2008
TomatoHead

I hate that crap. But of course immediately after they say “Well MY mom isn’t like that, but all the black women I’ve dealt with have been faulty”

5 08 2008
Monie

Okay I have to go….Peace, Love and Souuuuuuuul everybody! 🙂

5 08 2008

what did I miss?

5 08 2008
Jen

“What they going to tell the kid when he grows up, “well your father died over there and we could’ve helped but… adopting foreign children was in style not hiring thier parents””

*dead*

5 08 2008
riz

@Ne: Christopher Columbus is a sucka, Racism in the gay community, Greek people are cool, white people stealing babies from the “third world” is not.

5 08 2008
blackberry molasses

@ Doc
yes ma’am, i am an epi… i wish you the best with your MPH! where are you going? and LAWD do I BLEED GREEN!!! I am pining for football season to start. People know not to call my house on sundays after 12:00 PM

@ riz
you want to know the messed up part about that story? its not unique at all. i saw countless families like that all over the city and NEVER saw them getting services. The only reason this girl’s case came to public knowledge AT ALL is because of an op-ed piece the former mayor (coon ass mofo John Street) was going to write defending DHS… until the pictures of the girl’s bedsore ridden body came across his desk. The DHS comish was soundly fired the next day because the scandal ‘threatened to destroy his administration.’ THE FUCK?!?!?!?

5 08 2008
Jen

I am afraid of white people adopting Black American children. I am trying to decide if it is better to become a self-hating, depressed coke addict living off your parents your whole life or a self-loathing, depressed, weedhead living off the government your whole life.

5 08 2008
joy

Greeks are funny to me because they will call out 2520s with a quickness and do not consider themselves white. My spouse is Greek and heaven forbid someone call him YT.

5 08 2008
The Doc Is In

I’m torn on the adoption issue. Not to undermine the problems we have here, but to be real with it, most of even the poorest of the poor Americans can’t even fathom what poverty is like in some other nations. So in *theory* I can sympathize with wanting to “rescue” a little foreign baby.
However, I do agree with y’all that the 2520s motivations for doing so never quite sit right with me. It often reeks of “trendiness” and a disturbing inability to identify with and empathize with their FELLOW AMERICANS who are also in dire need (it disgusts me that adopting a minority child here would probably never cross many of their minds…local black kids just aren’t fancy enough I guess). Also I think it allows them to avoid confronting and delving into black culture as much as would (hopefully) be expected. I mean, they get these little Chinese girls for example, teach them a couple characters and take them to a New Year’s parade and they think they’re doing some special shit and no one in their whitewashed suburbia calls them on it (cuz half the time even the Asians in their hood are probably trying to assimilate too). But that’s harder to do with black American culture which is a little more “in your face”.
That being said, I still can’t stand Negroes who get all “eye-rolly” when they see a non-black couple with a black child. As long as they’re doing right by the kid, I’ve got nothing but love for someone who can open their homes to an adopted child.

5 08 2008
riz

Yeah, the article said that 20 CHILDREN HAD DIED UNDER DHS CARE!!!!! TWENTY!!

There is a special place in Hell for those people.

5 08 2008
vitazza

Interesting Joy….
Greeks in Baltimore do call themselves white and so do the Jewish folks who have kinky curly hair like me …..

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

Greeks, Caldeans, Lebanese and Filipinos….I NEVER see them “consorting” with 2520s…

Sorry, I didn’t have the patience to read up on all those posts…I just got back from voting…my arse was on the ballot.

5 08 2008
Samia

Thanks for this post. That is a great term for it…forgetfulness. What infuriates me is that there’s no way to penetrate the fog without seeming over-sensitive. And I’m Indian-Bengali, so no one gets why the fuck I care about members of other groups. Argh. I hate being functionally considered white because the racists feel perfectly safe making stupid statements around me, thinking I’m “in on the joke.” Then my eyes narrow and the backpedaling begins. Sigh.

Adopting kids is something I’d love to do because I want to help kids without homes. I don’t necessarily want race to be part of some weird selection process where I only care about the ones who look like me. There are tons of resources out there for transracial families.

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

@ Doc…its just like how we can send so much money to Darfur, but we can’t do shit for New Orleans…

5 08 2008
The Doc Is In

Thanks Blackberry! I’m at Hopkins.
Yeah, I freaking LOVE football season and freaking LOVE my Eagles.

5 08 2008
vitazza

I also forgot to mention Bmore is the Bermuda Triangle were strange things are normal

5 08 2008
The Doc Is In

LOL, Vita, as I’m shacking up in Bmore for the year, you’ll have to tell me more!

I also know a few Greeks that don’t consider themselves white, but this may just be the nature of the Greeks that I hang around (those that LOVE black women! LOL). I knew a few athletic Greek hotties too, hhhhmmm…more things to consider…but their aging worries me, and the chest hair…lawd the chest hair.

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

GO STEELERS!!! a

I hate Tom Brady. And Pittsburgh is my 2nd home, thats why I root for them.

5 08 2008
vitazza

yes they are hairy and hella sexy!!! Perhaps I am more privy to local Greeks from Greek Town……they really stick to their own….
Doc I think you are seeing the premium Greeks around jhu lol

5 08 2008
She Is Qui

its funny to me how white people are so quick to call people out who are exposing the white race for its past actions and current faults but as soon as another race speaks up “they’re making a big deal of it”. smh

i am from baltimore and i can agree. i went to school with a Greek girl who refused to let people call her white to the point that she’s be ready to fight. really that serious huh? then again the Jewish people here are quick to call themselves that.

5 08 2008
vitazza

oh and chest hair is hot…..until man boobs and angry grey wires start popping out the shirt like Capn. Buddy

5 08 2008
Angry IV

I’ll never forget the look on my teacher’s face in AP US History in high school when I raised my hand to discuss the night’s readings:

“Yes?”

“Ah…so basically what I got out of the homework was that they just stole it.”

“Stole what?”

“Stole the land. The white people stole the land and used slavery to reap the benefits.”

[stunned silence]

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

lmao @ angry

5 08 2008
vitazza

Angry……ya know that teacher still talks about you..right?
That’s as good as the time my best girlie in our Private High School sat in history class one Febuary morning and listened as the teacher explained that there was no need to talk about Black History cause there were no Black Girls in the class!!!!
WRONG!!!!!! MY Friend is SOOOOOO Black just pale…….caused a parent admin meeting
the end

5 08 2008
TomatoHead

WOOOOOOW, Vitazza….never in my life…the YTs sho do think they can get away with anything. I bet no one in the class thought it was weird either

5 08 2008
Jen

@ Vita: Ho lee crap

5 08 2008
Siggyboss

The people of the US have had a better life DESPITE enslaving people and stealing the land of others, NOT because of it. There are many countries in history, including today, that practice slavery in some form or steal someone’s property and remain miserable places to live. The key reason for the higher standard living in the US is a long history of distrusting government. The government passed Jim Crow laws to protect white workers from competing with formerly enslaved people. The government is today passing laws to protect workers from competing with foreigners. Alas, trusting any government with protecting you or your property has never worked. I reiterate, it isn’t slavery or the stealing of land that improved our lives, but relatively unhindered competition amongst entrepreneurs.

5 08 2008
Tea

“Have you ever had one of those roundtable type discussions in high school or college where you were forced to discuss issues of race in mixed company?”

Hell yes, when the whole Rev. Wright mess jumped off, one of my professors had the nerve to say “I find it hard to believe that Barack Obama has never heard similar remarks from Rev. Wright. I mean I’ve heard black people say the same things that Rev. Wright says. That has me feeling a little iffy about him.”

I’m like “and the problem is?” I’m sure he has and so have I. Because what Rev. Wright said was LIVED by blacks of his generation. They FELT the abuse, the disrespect and the effects of dehumanization. Remember Jim Crow and the Tuskegee experiments? Yea, that pain and anger is still there and it’s not going to just go away because no one acknowledges it in any significant way. So yes, he has heard those remarks before and so have I, from older black people. So what, am I iffy? Because I sympathize with them rather than looking at them as they are crazy. I may not agree with all Rev. Wright has to say… but I understand. Hell, I know my father is a little off, he’s traumatized by what he went through in the Jim Crow south.

She eventually agreed with me (probably to shut me up) but this was from a women who was giving lessons in cultural competence.

5 08 2008
Jen

White Americans giving lectures on cultural competence = Funny of the Day

5 08 2008
Tea

Damn Vitazza, what I learned about black history in high school was taught in I would say… 10 minutes. They could have spared the 10 minutes

5 08 2008
vitazza

That is just how it is in the Mason Dixson South………We think Baltimore is progressive and hard but there is LOUD subtle Racism in your face…..I just keep it moving otherwise I would have died a million times before college eh……
And yes there was a formal appology from the Principle….
I still LOVED and STILL LOVE my HS but that crap was wrong and that’s why someone was witness to the bull

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

1. white is the presence of all color.

2. 2520’s turn orange when in tanning booths.

3. 2520’s turn red when you slap them.

4. 2520’s turn purple, blue and black when you choke the shit out of us…

….and they call us colored? (yes, I jacked the old poem and put a diva spin on it)

5 08 2008
Tea

“White Americans giving lectures on cultural competence = Funny of the Day”

Yes indeedy. But at least the textbooks are written by people of color

5 08 2008
Jen

P.S. I hate Facebook. It serves no other purpose than to distract my nosy ass with awe at other people’s stupidity. SOMEBODY please make me step away.

5 08 2008
vitazza

Jen step away from facebook…..unless your on the group SBPH page or playing mob wars ………the end

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

i need more mobsters in my crew…fucking punks keep robbing me with their large armies and Landon isn’t protecting me…

5 08 2008
TomatoHead

For anyone who still thinks Beyonce is black in the media:

http://www.idontlikeyouinthatway.com/pictures/20080805/beyonce%20loreal%20ads/1.html

5 08 2008
TomatoHead

hey Chaotic, I’ll join your mob

5 08 2008
Jen

I CAN’T.

I just logged on a woman’s Facebook page whose “boyfriend” cheated on her at least two times (COITUS–REAL CHEATING!) within the first month of their “relationship”. Yet, two months later, they are writing the most ridiculous shit on each others walls (You’re the best! No, you’re the best!), she’s tagging pictures of flowers he gave her, people are commenting on how cute they are.

Is this the damn Twilight Zone??

WTF?? DUMP HIM, YOU DUMB BITCH!! BEFORE HE GIVES YOU THE HERP!!!!!

Is this common? Am I just naive? Do women completely lack self respect??

5 08 2008
Jen

Beyonce actually makes a rather homely white woman.

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

@ Jen…I agree (on Beyonce).

What is it with them white washing the brown girls. Examples: Shakira, J.Lo, Rosario Dawson (she always looks pale), Beyonce…

5 08 2008
Jen

The photo retouching people put some kind of hook in her nose trying to slenderize it and gave her a twink’s cheekbones trying to slenderize her face.

5 08 2008
vitazza

send me an invite or am I in your mob???
I am suppose to be in a summer pta meeting right now did somebody mention addhd…..

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

Shout-out to the Angry person in the banner…didn’t know there were other Mich folks on here…howdy-do!

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

@ vitazza, You’re in my mob…i think.

5 08 2008
chaoticdiva

Ok, just a heads up…If I disappear for a long while, its because I think my throat is swelling closed on me again….

5 08 2008
vitazza

I will send you a link on how to invite folks….in fact if someone attacks me I friend that ass then send them a mob invite….. three have jioned me thus far one of them a mean b too

5 08 2008
vitazza

Tomato join my mob please!!!!!!

5 08 2008
riz

I wonder if Beyonce even knows what she looks like anymore, all that retouching. She looks like a cartoon.

6 08 2008
chaoticdiva

@ vitazza…how do you do that?

6 08 2008
vitazza

when I get home I will send you a tutorial…hahahaha everytime someone hits me I find them then friend them and collect the money……..but there was just one that must have been an admin cause I kept getting the facebook home page rather than the profile page……. I will show you how….k

6 08 2008
TomatoHead

Vitazza, are we friends on facebook?

6 08 2008
chaoticdiva

tomato…whats your name on fb?

6 08 2008
vitazza

idk look for vita maria

6 08 2008
TomatoHead

alicia lansdowne

6 08 2008
chaoticdiva

Why is it always that the guys that I’m not that interested in actually like me, despite my erratic asshole behavior, but the guys that I actually like (actively) don’t want shit to do with me?

*Obviously a future cougar at this rate*

6 08 2008
TomatoHead

Awwww…Chaotic you’re adorable

6 08 2008
vitazza

haha I will find you in the group!

6 08 2008
TomatoHead

Vita I’ve sent you a friend request…I think

6 08 2008
chaoticdiva

me? Adorable?

6 08 2008
ph2072

Forgive me, but what is a 2520?

Great post Chris. I hate white forgetfulness too.

6 08 2008
chaoticdiva

ph….its a cracker.

6 08 2008
TomatoHead

I’m at work now and about to get off in a half hour. I’m super hungry and need to decide if I want to go to the dining hall or take the “pure strength” class at the gym. I can do one or the other but not both. Help!

6 08 2008
chaoticdiva

ok, tomato….go to the caf, steal some food, then go to your gym class.

6 08 2008
TomatoHead

Hahahaha. Ew but then it would be sitting in my locker for an hour

6 08 2008
chaoticdiva

grab some ice in napkins to keep it cool; cover your plate with another plate.

6 08 2008
Jen

Chaotic Diva – do you treat the guys you like as though they are shit on the heel of your boot? My friend has a theory that the only way to make guys like you is to treat them like cow manure. Sadly, I have found that this is largely true.

6 08 2008
chaoticdiva

@ Jen…that probably explains the ones that come back running.

UGH!!! I hate these stupid fucking games. I’m one of those people who’s straight to the point. If I like you, you will know it. If you play me, I get mad and hurt and pretty much add to the built in bitterness, only to fall for another guy who does me the same way. The difference is that if a guy is treating me like that, he has a week and then I’m gone to spare myself from torture.

I swear up and down every day I wish I were a lesbian…Most guys are literally interested in me for non-intellectual reasons. Fuckers.

6 08 2008
TomatoHead

We have these organic, biodegradeable boxes that any kind of juice just seeps right through. They aren’t meant to sit for very long.

I think I’m just gonna suck it up and go to the gym. I’ll get a banana there…possibly some tasty yogurt.

6 08 2008
TomatoHead

Chaotic dear, I have giant boobies on a small frame. I think every male human being barring the completely insane are interested in me for completely non-intellectual reasons.

6 08 2008
chaoticdiva

*Sigh*

Boys are stupid. And they really hurt my ego because I’m not as dense as Paris Hilton…

6 08 2008
Jen

@ Chaotic, I am the most transparent creature on the planet when it comes to human relationships. I haven’t yet begun the games, either. But, If I am still single in three years, LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!!

6 08 2008
chaoticdiva

@ Jen…I’m so trying to withhold the inner bitch…I swear. Part of me wants to take my Nine West pumps and shove them up some asses some days…

(by the way, everytime I see someone respond to you, I think they’re talking to me b/c my name is Jenn too…lmao)

6 08 2008
ayomidejpw

Great post! I have never seen the ad but of course it is right. In one of my classes we had a online discussion about the bottlenecking of information and we needed to give examples. So I wrote that anything positive shown from the media about blacks would be consider bottlenecking. Anyway, my teacher who is white gave her two cents.. She wrote that discrimination against black is bad, really? and that Americans need to travel outside of the country and see how things are in other countries where there is less discrimination. It would be a eye opening experience. I had to remind her (white forgetfulness) that discrimination is in every country because whites traveled to other countries/continents and either took over or left an influence so great that the country/continent is now screwed…. She made no response after I left a list of countries that deal with discrimination thanks to whitey….

6 08 2008
chaoticdiva

@ ayomidejpw…so very true…and I find it funny that 2520’s in Western Europe are racist against those from Eastern Europe. Italians and Greeks are like the scum of the earth over there..

6 08 2008
Jen

Fabulous people tend to be named Jennifer.

I can think of no representative examples in the popular media, but I hold on to this idea like it is the Jesus Truth.

6 08 2008
chaoticdiva

…yea, J. Ho was booted a while ago.

I like Jennifer Love Hewitt simply because she’s happy with who she is.

6 08 2008
Jen

Jennifer Lopez has always irritated me because the world thought she was so freaking beautiful and I see prettier girls on a daily basis. She’s cute and her ass was aight, but DAMN. Not remarkable.

I used to like Jennifer Love Hewitt because I found her giant boobies aspirational. But that effect has worn down with the exposure of her cottage cheese thighs.

6 08 2008
chaoticdiva

..according to google search, I’ve written several books, have a several Ph.D.s and even hold a Juris Doctorate. Tee hee hee…

6 08 2008
Jen

Wow. I am a top five hit for my extremely common name.

6 08 2008
chaoticdiva

You have to search J. Diva for me. I have one of the most common names in the U.S.. Alone, there are 25 ppl in my area with the same name.

6 08 2008
chaoticdiva

OH shit!!! John McCain may be ineligible to run for president:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/mccain/citizen.asp

6 08 2008
Jen

AAHHHHH!!! You ARE skinny. No wonder you bitch about vanity sizing. I am going to stop using this man’s blog as my personal chat room and friend you on the Facebook.

6 08 2008
chaoticdiva

what is your name on facebook?

6 08 2008
Quirky Cutie

Can I get that Absolut ad on a t-shirt? I love it!

6 08 2008
Knatural

Facebook is digital crack.

6 08 2008
chaoticdiva

so very true!!!

6 08 2008
joy

“Jennifer Lopez has always irritated me because the world thought she was so freaking beautiful and I see prettier girls on a daily basis. She’s cute and her ass was aight, but DAMN. Not remarkable.”

J.Lo can suck it easy for the plain and simple fact that she’s always tryin to play a damn Italian in a movie. She’s the Latina “Creole” equivalent.

BTW, based on that ad, Beyonce is starting to look more like La’Toya Jackson. She should be careful.

6 08 2008
chaoticdiva

lmao @ latina “creole” equivalent. So very true. Shakira does the same thing, trying to look whiter and whiter in everything she does. They call her out in Latina all the time…

6 08 2008
letinstar

i would love to get my hands on a giant poster of that absolut vodka ad…

6 08 2008
Amadeo

Fucking 12.5 hour day.

6 08 2008
MiracleMax

Actually the Indians didnt believe they owned the land, they believe the land owned them. I mean sure it was there land, because they were the native people, but the indians didnt see it that way. Besides the obvious fact that europeans wants resources and to get them they killed most indians, but did you know that they also killed indians because they couldnt keep them as slave labor? why do you think they imported africans, because an indian could easily escape and would be able to live in the wild for a long time, but the africans didnt know the secrets of the land the indians had, so if they escaped they couldnt live in the wilderness for long. If indians werent so capable of taking care of themselves in the wild, there would have been relatively few african slaves.

Whats funny about that Absolut ad isnt that they redrew the boundries, it is the fact that the “mexicans” who owned that land were also europeans a few hundred years before, and just like the english europeans who stole the land from the indians on the east coast, the spanish stole the west coast land from the indians. Although to be somewhat far, most Indians in California were very welcoming and didnt really protect there land, and thats probably why they were giving much more freedoms and rights under spanish rule when they took over. All is fair in love and war. I doubt anyone would be living they way they didnt in america if we didnt have the other half, I know I would have a different life, because I live in California.

6 08 2008
riz

@MiracleMax: Are you the Great White Apologist?

Goodness gracious.

6 08 2008
Kristina

Okay, sorry for all my edits…I suck at remembering what I’m saying, so I end up rewriting it, only to remember it while I’m in the bathroom.
Here’s a WTF moment:
When I was in 5th grade we got this magazine, Time For Kids. It had some pretty good stuff. Anyway, our Social Studies teacher asked us what we thought about illegal immigrants. This one kid said, and I quote, “We shouldn’t let them in here. They’re going to take over the country and we’ll all be speaking Spanish.” This was the same kid who told me “You can’t have a white great-great-grandfather, you’re black. I’m sorry but you are African.” and “Blacks shouldn’t care so much about slavery, we woulda freed y’all anyway.” We have a lot of pseudo-liberals at school. Their parents are liberal, but their family is EXTREMELY CONSERVATIVE. This leads to any debates, like illegal immigrant debates, becoming extremely hypocritical and possibly reiterating stereotypes over and over again.

6 08 2008
J

Dear you, creator of this site.

I think I love you.

6 08 2008
chaoticdiva

I just want to point out that there are plenty of illegal immigrants that come over here that either:

1. Don’t speak Spanish, because they’re not from a Spanish speaking country.

2. Don’t teach their kids to speak a foreign language so they would assimilate into American culture plenty easy.

…3rd gen…3rd gen…

6 08 2008
nelo

YT Liberals are slutty and racist. And they justify it because they are “liberals”. Jeez. This post made me irriated at my boyfriend.

6 08 2008
HerroKitty

I dont mind immigrants, or even illegal immigrants, what I do mind is not being able to understand the damn person taking orders at Mcdonalds. Im sorry but unless you speak damn good english you should not have a service industry job. The people who arent complaining about illegal immigrants dont live in a state that borders mexico (and dont even say Canada, because they dont want to come here, how often do you hear on the news of the “waves” of canadians coming to the US illegally?). And dont be haten on liberals, without them we would still be living in a pre 1960 world, dont bite the hand that feeds you, i wanna see how many conservative republican organizations give to minorities.

6 08 2008
chaoticdiva

@ Herro…yea, my state may border Canada, but we also have the largest population of Middle Easterners outside of the Middle East in the world. Trust, and the population of latinos is growing. I work in the service industry and I am constantly approached by those who speak Spanish, Portugese, Farsi, Arabic, Polish and even Mandarin. Remember, where there are factories, and large industries, you have plenty of foreign investors, immigrants, and their families that may not have the best of English away from their translators.

And for the record, my grandmother was a Cuban immigrant. The US wouldn’t give her a green card because of her age (she was under 18, over 5), so she was pretty much here as a non-citizen until she got married.

6 08 2008
Jeresmom

Here is the only problem I have with illegal immigration, taxes. I have no problem with those that are over here becoming citizens, just pay your back taxes and you are alright in my book. I am helping pay for their children to go to public schools. I am sending my son to a catholic school but still have to pay the public schol taxes. Paying for their Medicaid bills, yet they are not contributing anything. Pay taxes and we are square. I also agree with learning English. It does not mean you have to assimilate, but you need to know the language of the country to which you are living. If I moved to France, I would have to learn French. No one is saying they have to stop speaking their native language, but learn English in adddition to your own.

6 08 2008
Jeresmom

Oh and this going natural with my hair is turning out to be a lot of work. Am I doing something wrong?

6 08 2008
Omar

“Chaotic Diva – do you treat the guys you like as though they are shit on the heel of your boot? My friend has a theory that the only way to make guys like you is to treat them like cow manure. Sadly, I have found that this is largely true.”

Listening to Bad Advice = More eternally single women

6 08 2008
Knatural

ChaoticDiva – has your friend heard of the concept called Karma? AAHAHAHHAHAH…

Jeresmom – you need to use leave-in conditioners, avoid heat, and keep your scalp healthy and moist. Or maybe just cut it. Having the two opposing textures, depending on how kinky/nappy/thick your hair is, creates more problems.

6 08 2008
Omar

“Here is the only problem I have with illegal immigration, taxes. I have no problem with those that are over here becoming citizens, just pay your back taxes and you are alright in my book.”

@Jeresmom – How much in taxes does someone owe who is making below minimum wage??? By the way the pay sales tax which is a big part of any areas budget.

6 08 2008
Knatural

Oops, Jen said that. Sorry.

6 08 2008
Amadeo

That taxe argument is never really valid…everyone is paying for something that doesn’t really apply to him. I pay taxes for public schools and even though I don’t have kids I want my more for my money.

This is the problem with illegal immigration. The only time it’s a problem is when it’s brown people…unless our country wants to shit on another one. Prime example…Cuba. Even then there are restrictions. More people come from Europe and stay illegally than a little bit and guess what…no one really cares. There have been recent talks about allowing Euros to stay longer without a Visa. However the people who can’t get in that will come here and work a shitty job are a problem. i think back to the Cold War. If you could get here it was easy for a Russian to stay…because “we” wanted to shit on Russia. The thing that mose annoys me is the language issue. Go to Europe, most countries have things represented in several languages because of the proximity to other countries and the same Americans who say people should learn our language are the type that go abroad and end up yelling, “Doesn’t anyone speak english!”

It’s a farce. It’s the collective of White people fearing they’re going to lose what they took because they don’t have the numbers, while they do all they can to let more Euros in.

6 08 2008
Jeresmom

@ Omar-I am barely making above minimum wage yet I still have to pay Uncle Sam and I am not talking about the sales tax I mean the 1/3 of my check that the govenment snatches before I get a dime.

@ Knatural, I am not ready to cut it yet, still needs more length, but I guess I can trim off some of the relazed ends. I am rocking a fro today and loving the looks I am getting from the 2520s in the office. No one has had the nerve to ask me about my hair yet, but I am waiting. On another note, my fiance loves my hair. I was worried he wouldn’t like it and was pleasantly surprised when he gave an enthusiatic approval.

6 08 2008
Jeresmom

I make my illegal immigrant rant about any color, I have no one preference toward one or another. And as far as the language goes, if I go abroad (which I do plan on in my lifetime, India, Italy and Dubai, in that order) I will rosetta stone those languages. At least learn enough where I can function in those countries. I would not DARE say ‘this should be in English’ because that would be a mighty DUMB thing to say. People that say that are STUPID, whether it’s an American overseas, or an immigrant over here.

6 08 2008
Knatural

Immigrants do pay taxes, especially if they have a legit job. If they aren’t paying taxes it isn’t their fault, it’s their employers fault, right? I could be wrong. Are there really that many “lazy” immigrants coming here, legally or illegally? I don’t think so. We have to keep in mind, people emigrate to improve their standard of living, not to piss off folks.

My husband gave me an example once: He’s from Trinidad, and that country is currently experiencing an influx of Venezuelan and Colombian immigrants, and folks don’t like it because of the municipal and financial burdens. He says, if folks are willing the come to Trinidad, a country the size of Delaware with few opportunities for Her own people, then their country must be fucked up.

6 08 2008
Jeresmom

Again, if they are paying taxes, then there is no problem as far as I am concerned. It is ultimitely not the employer’s responsibility make sure your taxes are paid, it’s yours and Uncle Sam will say so as he is hauling your ass off to jail for non payment. I am not saying that the ones that are illegal are lazy. Hell anyone working that hard for 5 bucks an hour cannot be lazy. I am saying that if I, Jane American, had a job paying 5 bucks an hour, I would still be giving the government 1/3 of my check for taxes.

6 08 2008
Amadeo

Actually unless you own a business or have income through another means it is your employers job to make sure your taxes are paid. It’s part of their accounting of their finances. That’s why getting paid “under the table” has a negative conotation to it. Someone got mad because we paid them for an event and they wanted money in cash. We pay in check so that our books are accurate. That’s why the average folks get taxe refunds. Most peoples checks are set up so that you over pay (and give the gov an interest free loan) then get money back.

6 08 2008
Omar

Thank You again Knat…

@Jeresmom – I remember my minimum wage days and I didn’t pay that much but the reality is you nor I are responsible for taking out our own taxes, it is the employers getting over on purpose not just the workers.

As for learning English many do, but there have almost always been many spanish speaking people in the US and we do happen to ‘own’ a spanish speaking territory (PR). It is basically about survival you would learn French in France because it would be necessary for survival, that is not necessarilly the case in border towns in Texas or in the Bronx for that matter.

Why do you think this is all coming up now?

6 08 2008
Omar

I’m not an immigrant and I have gotten paid under the table and I am sneaking a few bucks past uncle sam as we speak.

I wonder if waiters REALLY put all of their tips on their W-2’s

A lot of people try to beat the system it is the American way… Their first step in assimilating… 😉

6 08 2008
Jeresmom

@ Amedeo, thanks for clearing that up, I was led to believe it was my responsiblity.
@ Omar, no it’s not much but it’s still enough to make me pissed every two weeks.

6 08 2008
Jeresmom

Hell if I could I would but dammit I can’t so I am hating on anyone that is not, including you ; )

6 08 2008
ladebelle

amazing… last night my dad and i were in an impassioned discussion of which we were on the same… we were talking about racisim in America and essentially how white people perpetuate this through the media and use our people (be them black, native american, hispanic, etc) as a tool to help spread racism… however, the real flaw is that most races (unlike we blacks) tend to ignore it and allow the hate to make them stronger and more unified. i was telling my dad that blacks need to be more like mexicans and other races that unite together… he brought up such a good point that white people consistently through blacks under the bus more then any other minority (which aren’t really minority as they are now growing to be the majority).

on another note, i was a rebel in highschool too… like most black americans, i’m a mutt mixed with primarily african and native american descent. one day at school i was feeling particularly rebellious and decided that i wouldn’t stand and pledge alligiance to the flag and my ignorant ass teacher asked me y i wouldn’t… of course, i was waiting to for her to ask me that so that i could attack her ignorance with the tirade of built up frustration that i’d had to bowing down to white people through pledging… i think i scared her and the rest of the school… they no longer expected me to pledge but i wasn’t put in detention…

6 08 2008
uhhhhhhh

Amazing. The amount of racism spewed in the responses to this post is appalling.

What a clever ad campaign by Absolut. They’re always pulling in diverse groups and pulling in their business by making inefficacious jabs at whatever, but satisfying you enough to drink their vodka. How humanitarian, and profitable.

Maybe I’m not “In on the joke” but what does 2520 mean? Feel comfortable making stupid racist jokes since you think no one who’s white would care to read this post?

6 08 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

Ah, how I just adore the Holier Than Thou types that grace my blog…

My solution to your indignation. Apply, and repeat.

6 08 2008
Laurel

2520’s hate not being in on the joke.

6 08 2008
uhhhhhhh

an intelligent response from someone claiming a certain level of aloofness. i was thinking i should have said i liked your post, but i’ll refrain. the comments, definitely not.

i think it’s funny that you’re supporting absolut even though they rescinded…like i said, fabulous ad campaign.

6 08 2008
pam

miracle max

where on earth do you get the impression that the spanish were nice to indians? Cortez and his followers where cold blooded thieveing bastard cut throats. They flet indians were not human and treated them as such.

6 08 2008
pam

i forgot to add disease ridden

6 08 2008
pam

or in sbphspeak sex pox ridden

6 08 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

“an intelligent response from someone claiming a certain level of aloofness. i was thinking i should have said i liked your post, but i’ll refrain. the comments, definitely not.”

…nobody cares 🙂

“i think it’s funny that you’re supporting absolut even though they rescinded…like i said, fabulous ad campaign.”

As Laurel said before…2520’s hate not being in on the joke. I’m glad you find our perceived ignorance amusing, though. Please don’t steal my home.

7 08 2008
toddyenglish

I love this post. This is the preeminent reason I loathe getting into racial discussions with white people, particularly when you are in the minority (pun intended) amongst them. They will always find away to make it seem as though you are: angry, paranoid, delusional, or just looking to rock the proverbial boat. We’ll never get anywhere, as far as race is concerned, if whites continually close their eyes and cover their ears whilst yelling, “I’m not listening! I’m not listening!”

7 08 2008
4m_no_2_dc

white people…. they’re so, white….

like my teacher told me in college, white people will say they’re not part of the racist system, but if they have no problems benefitting from it….well….WELL!?!?!?!?

she then said “white people think i’m timid and soft spoken because of the way i look (when they ask me to come and speak at colleges/ universities), but by then, they’ve paid me my money, and i’ve said what need to be said”

7 08 2008
4m_no_2_dc

and since “uhhhhhh” thinks absolut is so damn clever, wy don’t you ask them what a 2520 is….jackass. step your whole life up.

7 08 2008
riz

I’ve decided that Micheal Jackson is partly to blame for white forgetfulness…. Because when “Black or White” hit, it was the hotness.

Black people didn’t really think about the color aspect of it– we just liked the beat, the dope video effects and the fact that MJ had come finally come out with another album.

But now, I think Others took it to heart. As a universal “Black” man, I think that the song became a beacon to those who don’t want to deal with race.

9 08 2008
straight.white.american.male

Hi, it seems reasonable that if whites should be expected to be ashamed of bad things their forefathers did, are we similarly entitled to be proud of the great things our forefathers did (inventing the steam engine, the railroad, the telephone, the airplane, penicillin, the stock market…).
There also seems to be a moral gradient of societies over time. If you go back 3000 years, genocide was really pretty widespread, while it’s pretty unusual now and receives a great deal of press attention when it occurs. Slavery was an improvement over genocide — instead of exterminating a defeated tribe, you kept them around as slaves. Advanced capitalism made sophisticated economic activity possible without slavery, in fact, it obsoleted slavery. If you go back in time, everybody gets more and more barbaric. Is it fair to judge people in the past by contemporary moral standards?
Regarding slavery, what about whites whose ancestors were northerners and maybe even fought against slavery in the civil war? If whites are to be castigated for slavery, are they to be given credit for deciding, very painfully, to stop it? That was a white decision, it was not forced upon whites by anybody else. Arabs were still taking blacks as slaves in Sudan a few years ago, if they aren’t still dong it now.
The Mexican claim to alot of the contested land was really pretty dubious, in a lot of those states all they’d done was planted a flag in the ground. If you’re going to say all that land was genuinely Mexican territory, then I’m going to claim that all of the moon is American territory.

11 08 2008
JR

Whites are this, whites do that and whites say that; this forum’s stereotype driven comments document complete agreement with the KKK that your simpleminded observation of irrelevant color differences engenders omniscient knowledge of every single person’s actions, value choices and even economic circumstances. Amusing to see racists of one color using racism to criticize the racism of another color

11 08 2008
Knatural

huh?

11 08 2008
blackberry molasses

straight white american male seems to be under the delusion that the civil war was fought over slavery…among other things. can we add white delusionism (is that a word) to the list of afflictions?

JR, howver, is just overly verbose and innately stupid…

16 08 2008
cracker bait

hey I’m a honkey. I live in east harlem, just so you know I’ve seen black people before, hey “some of my best friends are black”. So I have a question that has been bothering me for a while… Why are some of the most Christian people black and mexican/south american? I’ve always wanted to ask these people, don’t you know you were given that religion when made slaves, by either my ancestors, or the conquistadors? It really freaks me out that these people are on and on about jesus… so tell me, any super christians here want to address that?

16 08 2008
Jen

@ cracker

Because they are poor as shit and need hope.

If they are middle class and still on the Jesus, it is because their parents or grandparents were poor as shit and they retained their family’s religion.

16 08 2008
Sister Toldja

First of all, if that was not the most disrespectful way of trying to ask a question I have ever heard!

Translation: “Any of you super christians” want to explain to me, White privilaged (by skin if not by economics) gentrifier of what was once the cultural Mecca of Black America why you choose to worship God in the way you do? Oh and I am not a racist, as made evident by my Black friends and willingess to compromise the cultural value of Harlem, NY.

WOW OH WOW OH WOW. It wouldn’t have even occured to you that your question, and the sense of entitlement which guided you to pose it in such a way, would be offensive. As a decidedly non-Christian (for the reasons you cited, amongst others) I am offended by that!

Go to a library or bookstore or Google and pick up a fucking book on the history of Blacks and Christianity. If you had half the knowledge about Black people you seem to think you have (as a HARLEM resident, of course) you wouldn’t even have to ask. You would understand the legacy of internalized oppression (do as the oppressor does) and you would understand how traditions are handed down through generations.

Please….return to your native White land and leave those of us in Negronia alone. This is why I fucking hate Harlem, btw.

17 08 2008
cracker bait

Yeah I’m real privileged. You have no idea. Seriously, there are actually poor white people in the world. Yes I know that it is harder in this society on blacks. A lot harder. That doesn’t mean that every white person is rich. Not by a long shot. There were years when all I ate was rice and beans for weeks straight. I was raised by a single mom who was poor. And it’s a valid question regardless. It shows a lack of desire to follow a though process through to its logical end. But I’m not mad at you. I mean you guys are here on this thread saying “white people this white people that.” Well yeah you’re right, there’s a natural tendency in all human beings to be racist. It’s not like the black race has a monopoly on morality. There are good and bad in all races and in all individuals. There’s slavery practiced in Africa to this day. There were slaves in Africa before white people ever got there. There were imperialist nations in Africa as well. If they had the technology they might have enslaved white people instead. Yeah life isn’t fair. I try to do my part and remind white people when there are no others around that blacks and others don’t have it as easy as they think. I’ve seen the inequality firsthand, I know it exists, but a lot of white people haven’t, so I tell them it’s real. On the other hand you are on this thread with no insight to the other side. I’m here to offer it if you’re interested. You know as a human being I want to do the right thing. I would like to make things as right as possible. I try to treat people as fairly and honestly as I can. I also can’t stand hypocrisy and ignorance. You have some of that going on Sister.

25 02 2009
Van Rijn

One culture does not interest me. I agree with you on that point. My culture interests me. The people of beef and wheat, the yolk and plough, the telescope and the microscope. Bach Cantatas interest me. Breughel interests me. The accomplishments of white, Western people from French food to reel-to-reel tape decks, fine ale and fine wine, which you, out of spite and self-loathing, distill into nothing more than ‘manipulation and genocide’. Well fair enough. My ancestors did manipulate and commit genocide, and it has redounded to my benefit at your expense. Mille Regretz. I don’t blame you for being pissed off. But I won’t sacrifice my or my children’s ethnic/cultural and (yeah, here it comes) racial identity on the p.c. altar of assimilation. I love straight hair – my family comes by it honestly. I love rosy red cheeks, hale and hearty. Caucasian beauty standards? You bet. You can leave it, I’ll take it.

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