Subtle Racism IV: Statistics

25 07 2008

My Google Chat messages tend to be relatively extreme. One of the more recent ones stated:

“THE WHITE MAN BROUGHT THE SEX POX!”

Figure 1: Spices, Slaves, Syphillis

Personally, I was just kidding around. I really have no idea what race (assuming it’s any one race) is responsible for the Sex Pox (‘Sex Pox’ is my term non-terminal sexually transmitted diseases). Upon seeing this, however, the same asian girl that was responsible for this blog starting in the first place* once again comes rushing to the defense of white people – offering this in response:

“Actually, studies show that it’s black people in Baltimore that have the majority of STDs.”

Figure 2: Asians – charging to the defense of whitey since 1878

This response is irksome for more reasons than I can count, but I’ll list the top reasons. These reasons are rooted in the argumentative flaws used by non-blacks and self-hating blacks alike when citing statistics to prove that there is something ‘wrong’ with black people:

  1. Use of a self-serving example by citing STD rates in Baltimore, which has twice as many black people as whites (65% vs. 32%). This is like saying that more Japanese people have STDs than white people in Tokyo. No shit.
  2. Failure to cite other statistics/trends that explain the discrepancy. For example, poor Blacks are far more likely to get treatment for STDs by visiting free clinics that report data on client groups to stat takers. Whites, who are more affluent and more likely to be insured, are also more likely to be treated by private clinicians and never have their data bubbled up to the census. Even if the infection rates between blacks and whites were 50/50, the reporting of infections would be (and is) heavily weighted towards blacks

Everyday, the entire country is inundated with dismal statistics about black people. These statistics are almost always presented in isolation of other statistics that FACTUALLY DEMONSTRATE why those statistics are skewed – and since no explanation is given for the skewed negative stats, people do what they’ve been conditioned to do for hundred of years: assume black people are fucking inferior. Here are some of my favorite pairs of ‘facts’ used to show the depravity of niggerdom, and the countering argument that is always left out:

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Fact of Niggerdom: Blacks comprise the overwhelming majority of arrests/incarcerations for drug use
Fact Ignored: It has been demonstrated in study after study that the majority of drug users are white
Fact Ignored: Police departments around the country ADMIT TO THIS DAY the frequent and even institutional use of racial profiling in drug-related arrests

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Fact of Niggerdom: The overwhelming majority of people in prison are black
Fact Ignored: Blacks are, by orders of magnitude, more likely to be sent to prison for non-violent offenses than whites
Fact Ignored: Many offenses committed by whites go unpunished by police, especially in small towns and suburbia – almost all of which are overwhelmingly white and have police officers living in the community. Police are far less likely to make an arrest on someone they know than they are on a total stranger
Fact Ignored: In black-dominated high-population cities, police tend not to live in the communities they patrol, nor do they walk foot beats and get to know people in those communities. They make more arrests in communities filled with blacks

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Fact of Niggerdom: Black children are, my orders of magnitude, more likely to drop out of school than white children
Fact Ignored: Studies show that, when exhibiting the same behaviors, black children are far more likely to be placed in special education, suspended, or expelled than white children
Fact Ignored: Self-esteem issues are considered among the top root causes of drop-outs…with unfairly targeted suspensions, expulsions, and trips on the short bus doing nothing to help the trend

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I don’t have the time, patience, or cardiovascular health to get into the rest, but you get the fucking picture. I don’t use these ‘mitigating’ statistics to give black criminals an excuse. Whatever color you are, if you’re snorting coke or selling crack, you belong in pound-me-in-the-ass prison.

Figure 3: This is the most insanely hilarious thing I have ever seen

My only problem is when facts of niggerdom are spilled recklessly all over the airwaves by white media to be consumed without qualification by legions of idiots who then email/IM me telling me how the latest study ‘proves’ that I should hate myself and my race.

The next person to quote negative black statistics to me is getting punched in the back of the head. If you’re convinced that my black ass is prone to violence, I might as well not disappoint you.

*Many people have asked, in response to this girl constantly coming to the defense of whitey, why I am still friends with her – to which I reply that she is no more misinformed than anyone else in the country. If I can’t be friends with her, then I can’t be friends with anybody.

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25 07 2008
Knatural

FIRST!
Sorry.

Every time I think of statistics, I think of that line from Anchorman:
They’ve done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

25 07 2008
Jo

Fig 3 = HILARIOUS.

It looks like the one guy on the far left has to take a piss.

I’m not even gonna get into the screwed up nature of statistics reporting. All it takes is one class in Stats to realize that most of the “facts” spewed by the media are completely false. Besides, I find it’s just as effective to say “Studies have shown” when making an argument. Stupid fools never bother to ask you what studies you’re talking about. Same thing goes for “They’ve done experiments proving…”. Who the hell is “they”? Nobody bothers to ask. Instead we just eat shit up like the lemmings we are.

25 07 2008
Jo

Okay, I’m a little confused. That should be the far right.

25 07 2008
Soul Cry

*Applause* Bring it, bredren.

25 07 2008
ayo

Its like YT ppl use statistics to condesend and derive extreme joy at the process.

25 07 2008
Omar

Statistics = secret ancient art of being racist without being racist.

25 07 2008
The Doc Is In

65% of statistics are bullshit, 30% of statistics are numerically true but not valid because based on confounding factors, %4.9999999999999 of statistics are numerically true and valid, but not generalizable to the general population anyway (or even the population claimed to be sampled). .0000000000001% of statistics are true, valid and generalizable…that statistic is that 99.9% of people are dumbasses.

P.S. – I WILL work “sex pox” into a paper this year, I promise to give you full credit

25 07 2008
shabooty

sorta unrelated

hey, in my dream last night, barack obama was my math teacher… he stopped back from his trip, for exam week to do the math exam… ‘cept like it was “exam time”, so you know you have to be all sullen and quiet …so I couldn’t really give him a “HOOTYHOO” and give him a fist bump. :/

25 07 2008
Jen

Fact: when I was a girl, I took an entire class on how to lie with statistics.

I’d have to check the online catalogue to confirm this, but I think it was called Statistics 2520.

25 07 2008
Amadeo

LOL @ Pound me in the ass prison

I always love when people say “Numbers don’t lie”…they have never been to a Casino. Despite the Crystal Meth Boom no one ever shows any busts for it. But get some crack and guns and you do a press conference with it laid out in front of you.

25 07 2008
Lindsay

“People can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. Forfty percent of all people know that.”

– Homer Simpson

and LOL at Jen

25 07 2008
Jen

Well, white Republicans’ War on Drugs conveniently failed when a low-cost, debilitating weapon was introduced to insurgents within their own community.

25 07 2008
JG*

I have been working sooo much lately and been so busy I went back into Lurker mode! Right when I was starting to come around! But I had to stop in and say:

THANK YOU CHRIS!!

If it did nothing else, Black in America at least opened up dialogue. It’s crazy though how the media has hyped black people up to be this crazy, insane, uncontrollable race of monkey people. And Chris already showed how “they” are more monkey than us thanks to Pictionary!

Welfare is another thing they like to make an “all black” issue. How many white women have been helped by affirmative action but it’s a “black” thing.

This world! I tell ya!

Preach!

25 07 2008
sarah

my favorite is when statistics trickle down to UEP who happened to hear some random percentage while flipping channels.

25 07 2008
sarah

JG* – cosign! the whole state of West Virginia disproves the notion that welfare is an all black issue.

25 07 2008
Esquire

I love fake statistics. I laugh in my head 78.435% of the time. Did you all know that only 1 in 2764 black women have an IQ over 67? Also, 45% of the inmates in prisons across America have been sexually assaulted by an evil black man, causing them to commit crimes later in life. 98.4% of the time, that black man who assaulted them did not have a father.

Was anyone else bothered by that man who played Denise’s husband? What is his insignigicant name? I was agreeing with some of his points, then he started losing his mind.

25 07 2008
Esquire

damn insignificant…

25 07 2008
The Doc Is In

@Esq. – Joseph Phillips

And BWAHAHAHAHA. I was really wondering WTF his purpose was. But let me be nice, after all, alls us blacks in America got a story to tell…(some are just more relevant that others :-p )

25 07 2008
Amadeo

@ Esquire

Joseph C. Phillps…who Fox is probably scrambling to hire.

Murdock: I want him on the air yesterday!!!!

25 07 2008
aceklub

@ Esquire
Joseph Phillips is the dude’s name

25 07 2008
Amadeo

The child in me says:

How could Denise marry him?

25 07 2008
ayo

http://www.josephcphillips.com

dude is really feeling himself.

25 07 2008
Mo

Joseph ‘im a tool’ Phillips

25 07 2008
Monie

I left the following comments on yesterday’s post:

Monie (15:08:59) :

I’m with Knatural on the idea that a lot of what we see reported about us is trying to create a Self-fulfilling prophecy. For instance; if you say that 70% of Black babies are born out of wedlock enough times, people will begin to say well if everyone else is doing it then I will too.

So even if the actual number of babies being born out of wedlock was less than 70%, the trend soon follows the prediction.

The same goes for the “it’s impossible to find a good Black man” thing. Women begin to project that on the men they meet. In other words if there are no good Black men out there then the Black man I’m with must not be a quality man since the good ones aren’t around.

I just don’t believe the hype.

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Monie (15:18:47) :

And why is it that when someone comes out with a new negative study about us no one ever tries to replicate it? For all we know most of these studies could be complete lies, and yet we belive them without challenging them.

We are just so used to believing everything bad about ourselves. It’s really a shame.

25 07 2008
Amadeo

Sooo….is someone gonna put his home address up next.

25 07 2008
Jen

My first book: “He Talk Like a White Boy” is available now!

NOOOOOOOOOOO.

25 07 2008
Mo

‘Lover of cooking and Western films’……seriously Joseph?

25 07 2008
Cheekie

Thank you for this post, brotha Chris. Made my Friday.

And I agree with you, JG, in that Black in America did at least open dialogue. My family was talking all through the night. Mostly about stuff they didn’t cover. lol

And STFU Martin Kendall and lay off Spike Lee. Unlike you, he actually IS relevant in the business so the mofo knows what he’s talking about. And name-checking TWO Black people who have “made it” doesn’t solve the racism in the entertainment industry that obviously exists. I really want Olivia to slap him in the face.

25 07 2008
Vanita

Like Jen, I was taught how to lie with statistics. You can skew the numbers to say ANY THING you want. I was so good at it, they told me to be a lawyer. LMAO!!!

I liked Black In America, although they didnt show me anything I didnt know. I think (hope) we are on the brink of some major improvements in race relations in this country. Although I think I’d rather be black in the USA than Jewish in Israel right now.

25 07 2008
my2blackbabiesrbeautiful

This post, along with being on summer vacation allows me to declare that I am officially back! Thank you Chris, for another hillariously genius post.

I’m not sure if ‘hillariously’ is actually a word.

25 07 2008
Knatural

*just waiting for the White supremacists to come in here and reek havoc*

25 07 2008
Amadeo

@ Vanita

I don’t know…Israelis get to be hardcore and financed/protected/backed by the US.

25 07 2008
ayo

JOEL THEN! JOEL THEN!!! JOEL THEN!!!! (aka Supreme!)

25 07 2008
Vanita

Oh yes, PLEASE STFU Martin Kendall. Uncle Tom ass. I was so mad @ him. and that fat lady who had the nerve to be pregnant AGAIN with twins. Who I did think looked pregnant at all, just fat. Her baby father didnt sound like he wanted to be a father, although he said he was. LMAO!

25 07 2008
Vanita

@ Amadeo – Yes the Israelis get to be hardcore, but can you imagine being in a region where ALL the countries surrounding you want you wiped off the face of the earth?

25 07 2008
Jen

Israel has got it good over there with the apartheid and the stolen land.

Israel is America, Part II. They’ll be fine.

25 07 2008
Cheekie

LMFAO @ chanting Joel Then a la Beetlejuice.

I love ya’ll.

25 07 2008
Michael

Since you are still friends with her, I am hoping she is HOT and you have a much higher tolerance level then me. I only have black, Filipino, Caribbean friends because of stupid comments made by others who had to kick rocks.

BUT damn this blog was revealing, how have I never heard of the STD thing. I didn’t know private places don’t report to the CDC, now it all makes sense!

25 07 2008
JG*

@ Vanita: I liked it as well. I think we as Black people know better than anyone else what being Black in America is like. There’s just no way they can properly put 18 months of “research” into 4 hours. There’s no way you can show the Black experience in just 4 hours. But with what they did cover, people will be talking for a while. Maybe at least one Non-black will see us as the multidimensional people we are. That would equal a level of success at least to me. And as for black people, maybe we’ll start working towards bonding together and the baby steps of building our community.

25 07 2008
RWEmerson

There are 3 types of lies in this world. There are lies, damn lies…and STATISTICS!

25 07 2008
Michael

You should make a list of books for recommendation. I have read a few but then I run into the super erykah Baduy kuffi wearing, poetry night, you are the sun and I am the moon type books and have to stop.

25 07 2008
shesgreen

This post is so unbelievably true! Especially because statistics effect the self-esteem of the kids that don’t hear any positive ones. It kills me when people pull false ones out of nowhere to validate a point..

25 07 2008
Amadeo

@ Vanita

I’m a black man in Baltimore…by the average standard I’m seen as a drop out, (as showin this post) STD having, criminal…I am the pariah, but if I get hardcore it’s the taser.

25 07 2008
Defiant

This all plays very well int to CNN’s Black in America documentary which is being aired right now. The documentary goes something like this stereotype, stereotype, stereotype, stereotype , one example against the stereotype, stereotype, stereotype, stereotype. Overall I suppose it could have been worst but in the end of the day I would like to see a future where no such documentary is needed and people are seen for what they are people first. Secondly if they are going to do a black in america doc. I would like to a white in america documentary as well… However it probably would just be a testiment to white greatness BARF. I hope the Myan calender is right and the end comes in 2010.

25 07 2008
JG*

@ Michael: I just read “Assata” the autobiography of Assata Shakur and I bout grew my hair back out and started the Army all over again. Great and powerful book. LOL But I feel you on the “I am he, and he is me, therefore we are we” books.

I also am reading “The Door of No Return” which describes the Cape Coast slave castle that most of our ancestors passed through.

25 07 2008
JG*

@ Defiant: No luck.. it’s 2012. And the end of the year at that! Gotta go 347 days just thinkin about it.

25 07 2008
Knatural

Amadeo – blame The Wire! AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

25 07 2008
ayo

I thought it was good to get people talking, but I think it also solidified sterotypes as well. I know how to navigate thorugh the stats and images that were presented, but do the 2520’s? I think that they see Shareeta and shake their heads, not knowing that we are shaking our heads too, but instead believe that we are running around making excuses. I dunno. I think if like Knat said, they did the series of hour long shows, more good could have come out of it. Like 1/2 hour playing up the ‘niggardom’ statistics, but then the 2nd 1/2 hour explaining why, showing solutions that have positively affected the trend, etc.

Does anyone believe that NON Blacks have will change their views following the expose? Not me.

25 07 2008
Amadeo

My girl has this queen Afua book that says something about she should lay on me and breathe on my back…but that shit is just annoying. I keep wondering who the hell thought this was a good idea?

25 07 2008
Deesigner

I was both intrigued and disappointed with the show. On one hand it was a great idea, however, I was disappointed that for every positive black person that they profiled, they linked him/her to some criminal/deadbeat/low achiever in his family, or highlighted the mean streets that they came from. The black experience is more than diverse than what was shown. IDK, it just felt incomplete to me and seemed to reinforce the stereotype that we are all just a hair removed from being ray-ray and shanequa ‘nem.

25 07 2008
Defiant

Fuck your right and chances are Barack will be in the White House when it all goes down haha. Fuck we’re blaimed for everything why not add the destruction of the world to the list.

25 07 2008
WO Is WO

[25-20] my thoughts ( I use that phrase a lot LOL)

didn’t you do a piece on how white people love to give statistics on how fucked up blacks and other races are? I’m sure you did.

I’m just waiting for Jesus to come and. Get Right with God and don’t be Left out. All this white –black –Asian–Hispanic–German–Swahili–Spaniard– stuff is such a gross miss representation of how God intended us to live. And I’m sure many of the the people who spew this racist rant of statistics go to Church to.

25 07 2008
Yonnie3k

My comment, left this morning under yesterday’s post (Amadeo, had to do it):

Joseph C. Phillips needs to get a clue. I heard him speak on the radio (Urban Journal? XM169?) one day and I thought he was cool. But this statement last night let me know that he’s clueless:

I don’t understand how you can look around you and see people doing things that are illegal and immoral and decide that you want to do those same things.

FOR REAL, JCP? Could it be that that’s all you know? Could it be that no one has shown you an alternative and that the alternative is attainable for you? Could it be that the people doing the illegal and immoral activities are the ones with the “respect” and they’re getting paid? I mean, I’m not saying it’s right, I’m just saying JCP needs to dig a little deeper.

25 07 2008
ayo

Which book Amadeo?

25 07 2008
Omar

I’m mad that the one son, that the successful father from Little Rock had, who wasn’t with a white women gets into trouble in a crack house shooting.

What they trying to say it’s either the white women or the crack ho’s…

25 07 2008
Amadeo

@ Ayo
I’m not sure but there’s also a mantra to repeat when you’re having sex…she read it too me once…I was thinking some dude came up with that too replace thinking about baseball stats.

25 07 2008
ayo

Omar: I know him. He dated the rainbow at will, has 3 kids out of wedlock by multi ethnic women and last I heard was married to an Indian(dot) woman. They should put that sh*t in there. I think the pictures in the youngest brothers room were his paintings.

25 07 2008
Vanita

I hate JCP.
I LOVE Michael Eric Dyson. So much more after watching Black in America.

@ Amadeo – 93% of White people now find it in bad taste to just up a kill a black person because they dont like them( the other 7% are scattered about WV, TX, VA, etc.). Unfortunately for some other minorities in this world, that is still a reality.

25 07 2008
tnt

i wish this post was up yesterday!
i had a conversation with friend about the obscene amount of black people with aids. and I knew that this “fact” was wrong but i couldn’t articulate it properly. and now i know how to. you hit the nail on the head.

25 07 2008
ayo

Amadeo I think its Sacred Woman. lol… have you read Heal Thyself?

25 07 2008
LEO

i’m with michael about a list of good books.

25 07 2008
Omar

Joseph Phillips is a nobody he was on one show, and everybody knows Bill Cosby used to ty to put on every black actor he could. Even for the conservative side of things he adds nothing of interest to the conversation he is an unsuccessful actor turned unsuccessful blogger.

25 07 2008
Amadeo

*to

25 07 2008
Vanita

@ Omar – I feel ya!! I thought he was soo CUTE tho… But that family was a VERY good example.

@ Ayo – They should have put all that other mess in about the middle brother! Maybe they didnt want to paint him too negatively? Because they already had their piece about the father who does take care of his kids.

I liked the fact they could look at one family and sum up most of the problems black people face. Or maybe not? How does everyone else feel about that?

25 07 2008
Bajan Girl

quoting myself (from yesterday’s post comments) on the JCP and forever pregnant girl miasma…

“Sharetta- That upset my spirit. That little baby is still up in hand and the father does not want to be around to help raise, nurture and support it, and now before her uterus has had time to get itself back together she is pregnant for another wuffless man with not one but two babies!

Joseph C. Phillips – No words can adequately convey the level of my disgust at the drivel he spewed forth. Someone needs to bust him in the head with a big rock and knock some sense into him.”

25 07 2008
blackberry molasses

As an epidemiologist, this post warms my heart. Whenever I hear random stats thrown out about anything, my first two questions are… ‘what’s your denominator?’ and ‘is your data skewed based on your sample population?’. Often, withing 13.26 seconds, the flaw in the ‘reputable data source’ emerges… BULLSHIT.

25 07 2008
sharde

it must be overwhelming to write this blog on a regular basis, man. I get so sick and tired of talking about being black, that i try to avoid the shit. There’s nothing like having someone of another race being misinformed about your culture so much so that when you meet these people, they have an awkward look on their face, almost as if anticipating a fucking act of violence or a motion for your crack pipe. Le sigh.
Especially in the corporate business world, which is ran by whites. It took me most of the summer to have a relationship with my co-workers where, on the surface, they were not hesistant to approach me. As a black woman, this shit gets old, and dwselling on it tires me out.
That said, i really appreciate your time and effort in writing this blog. I know your sense of humor, bitterness, anger, etc. might throw people off and thus, your poignant information goes over their bigoted heads but, you’re clearly reaching some people. Myself included.
I could write a fucking book on every aspect of black life, history, and culture, but i’d rather not give myself a nervous breakdown.

25 07 2008
Amadeo

@ Ayo
nah…I had to take a break from certain books…I know a bunch of cats that want to quote them to me all the time, it’s like Tupac albums, I didn’t have to buy them to hear them.

25 07 2008
ayo

Vanita: Their family is awesome. The mom is a judge in LR. I think he takes pretty good care of his. I think Soledad left his footage on the floor because he wouldnt discuss what happened that day. Like HAHAHAHA. You dont want to talk about shooting somebody in the ass when you are part of the buppie elite in LR and how you ended up having hood dreams, Im going to leave you out of the story and feature your ‘more sucessful’ brothers.

25 07 2008
Vanita

‘is your data skewed based on your sample population?’

ahh. My inner geek is smiling 🙂

25 07 2008
Amadeo

@ Ayo

Yeah Sacred Woman.

25 07 2008
Breez

Being a single parent, it is very interesting to see how the lovely Montgomery County Public School system tries to paint black kids into the statistic corner. Even the most minor infraction, and I’m getting a call from the school. They tried to convince me that my son was a “special needs” kid due to being “slow”; yet when he had one of those stupid standardized tests, his lowest performance was in the 87th percentile. He scored in the 97th percentile in his “problem” subject. Fuckers.

25 07 2008
Defiant

@ Omar HAHAHA
Again us blacks will get whitey one way or the other, either mug you for crack money or sleep with thier white daughters fuck it… Again the media does show white people fucked up on drugs and shit ie the show ” Intervention”. But they don’t put it under a race bannor like they do with us they just keep it nice and individual insted of making it a bannor white problem.

25 07 2008
Amadeo

Ha! They used to try and put me in the slow class…I’d get bored and stop doing work halfway through the week. Then I’d take the Standardized tests and be in the top percentage of the class.

Lesson:

Amadeo doesn’t like to do the same thing all week long.

25 07 2008
Vanita

yea, because school is boring. I was in montessori, and I think all kids should be in that program. ESP black kids. Its hands on learning, and you use materials to learn. Thats why Im such a big visual learner to this day, but it REALLY helps to keep you engaged.

25 07 2008
JG*

@ Defiant (15:32:36) :
Fuck your right and chances are Barack will be in the White House when it all goes down haha. Fuck we’re blaimed for everything why not add the destruction of the world to the list.

~~~~

No. I believe Jesus was black, and we’ve taken a whole bunch of L’s in our history, I don’t believe he would do this to us.

25 07 2008
blackberry molasses

@Vanita,
yay! another geek for my inner geek Winifred to play with

25 07 2008
Omar

Why did a woman call into the radio yesterday and say that Obama was the ANTI-CHRIST!!!!!! Talking about the bible says the anti-christ will be from the middle east, in his 40s and he will be very eloquent.

I can imagine some slave master telling a slave you better not speak well because speaking well is the devil…

And dude isn’t from the middle east, he’s from Kansas.

25 07 2008
Cheekie

Because it can’t be said enough and I’m still reeling from his commentary:

STFU Martin Kendall.

I’m having dreams of that dope dude who taught Rudy how to tap dance stomping on his face and yelling, “CHALLENNNNGGGE!”. Sheer Utopia.

25 07 2008
Amadeo

LOL @ Cheekie

25 07 2008
Vanita

@ Omar. SMH @ ignorant people. The bad thing is, there are MORE people who think like her.

25 07 2008
Defiant

@ JG*
I’m not a religious person but I do have my own sense of spirtuality Karma being a large part of it hopefully what goes around comes around. The end of the world when it will happen who knows, was Jesus black I’m thinking more of a sand colour.
All joking aside we do need to let go of these group statements. Drugs are an individual problem and should be dealt with on that level, dead beat dads the same. These are symptoms of generations of exploitation at the hands of others. Blacks aren’t inherently born being dumber, or more criminal but the system is set up to make us believe it. I guess what I’m saying is the symptoms of these bigger problems need to be addressed individually but the larger socio-economic issues tide to capitalism are the things they don’t want to fix because it benifits any and every society to have a scape goat for any issue that arises.

25 07 2008
Jo

@Amadeo:

I SMH at the public school system. I can’t tell you how many kids I knew growing up who were seen as “problem cases” because they were disruptive in class. Truth is, most of them just finished their work and caught on to new concepts so quickly that they grew bored. But rather than varying tasks for the kids or making an effort to engage their young minds (i.o.w: rather than trying to fix a fault in their own system) the school just reprimanded these kids.

I was fortunate enough to get placed in a G&T program early on. But I knew a lot of people who belonged in those classes with me who never had the opportunity

25 07 2008
JG*

Maybe Jesus was more of a pecan tan. Or a Toasted Red.

25 07 2008
Amadeo

Jesus was Almondy…

25 07 2008
Ms. Sula

Jesus was Amaretto… You know like the color of Disaronno…

25 07 2008
JG*

Or like Hennessey on the rocks.. after it’s melted a little.

25 07 2008
Jo

Jesus’s blood was red.

25 07 2008
Cheekie

So was his wine.

25 07 2008
Vanita

LMAO @ Cheekie!!

25 07 2008

“You so almondyyy”

Good Day black people

25 07 2008
Vanita

@ Mass the priest is supposed to drink all the wine that was left over from the Communion . So not to ‘waste’ the blood of Christ.

25 07 2008
Amadeo

Almondy self

25 07 2008
Jo

LOL @ Cheekie. Hopefully it wasn’t manischewitz.

25 07 2008

lol amadeo

25 07 2008
Amadeo

Jesus would be on the Terrorist watch list

25 07 2008
freakinClassic

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25 07 2008
ayomidejpw

oh, my goddness, thank you for this post!!! Statistics about black folks drive me crazy. When they said on the Black in America that DC had the largest percentage of black living with HIV, I almost threw something at the TV. I understand the importance of information about HIV and the other things are killing us(and everybody else), But they make it seem that blacks have every disease known to man. Well how come we aren’t all dead yet? and what you said was right they don’t look into Why. Um Health care, population of black to whites in a given area, the list goes on.

I remember some time ago I was on the elevator with a black guy and two black ladies got on the elevator. The two black ladies got off at the next floor and black dude looks at me and says ” You know they say three out of four african americans will die from HIV?” We both looked at each other and shook our head. He then said thought that was a little too serious, I agree. I do know that HIV is real and people shouldn’t brush it under the rug. but damn, you mean to tell me that out of the four of us on that elevator, three us of will get the disease.

25 07 2008
riz

Statistics are the devil… or maybe like the words of the Bible because even Satan can cite them to effectuate his ideas and goals.

I’ve mentioned it before, but the Ninth Circuit finally recognized the bias in the criminal justice system (Farrakhan v. Gregoire, 2006 WL 1889273 (E.D. Wash). The court found that certain practices had no point but to target the minority community. Unfortunately, that panel ruled that the bias in the justice system was harmless error (i.e. not important enough to affect the ruling). But on appeal, my man, Judge Reinhardt, held it down and recognized that it lead to discrimination against minorities in terms of voting rights…

But yeah, Whites do the same things and just don’t get caught. And yeah, I wish CNN would have a special about Whites who don’t do right. Show the flaws in their culture– i.e. all those meth-heads in the midwest, or the 15 year old girls snorting coke just to stay skinny.

25 07 2008
ayomidejpw

They should do a segment White in America, let someone black find the info and put it together and broadcast the evil, underhanded stuff they do. I think statistically whites have more child molesters than any given group. Three out of four……maybe

25 07 2008
Ms. Sula

“Statistics are the devil… or maybe like the words of the Bible because even Satan can cite them to effectuate his ideas and goals.”

*chuckles*

25 07 2008
riz

I wanted to make a child-molesting comment yesterday, but it’s too strong of a subject and I don’t want to make light of it. So I won’t.

However, who, here, has an idea of what a child-molester looks like?

I do! And the image in my head is of a middle-aged white man, slightly overweight. Usually wears glasses. Maybe has a moustache.

Every time that I’ve made the comment, “He looks like a child molester!” in mixed company, Whites always act like they don’t know what I’m talking about. “No one can look like a child molester,” they say.

But when I’m around any group of minorities (of all races), they know damn well what I’m talking about.

Whites are some child molesting, serial killing, embezzling, violent, Imperialist, date-raping mofos.

But we don’t talk about that on CNN.

(And please, don’t lecture me on how those crimes affect all communities and that it can happen to anyone. I know this. I’m just citing STATISTICS).

25 07 2008
Knatural

AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH @ Terrorist Almondy Jesus! So true. He and all his apostle would be linked to Al Qaeda somehow, someway.

25 07 2008
Vanita

but the Ninth Circuit finally recognized the bias in the criminal justice system (Farrakhan v. Gregoire, 2006 WL 1889273 (E.D. Wash). The court found that certain practices had no point but to target the minority community.

damn, 9th circus did that?!

25 07 2008
Amadeo

Statistics show the white people are more likely to be punters and kickers and thus the most pansy person on your favorite football team.

25 07 2008
Vanita

So true. He and all his apostle would be linked to Al Qaeda somehow, someway.

EXCUSE ME! Peter was a rabbit, because Jesus knew Man couldnt run his church anyway…

25 07 2008
Amadeo

Hippitus Hoppitus Sanctus Dominae

25 07 2008
Sister Toldja

Man, not only am I late to the party, but I don’t have cable. So I haven’t seen CNN’s explination of what I am yet. I can say that Joseph Phillips is a fool, Michael Eric Dyson is cool so long as he isn’t talking about Hip-Hop (he’s so off when it comes to rap music, I want to spray him behind my knees when I go to the park, hi-yo!) and WHERE WAS BELL HOOKS?

Chris, I hope your friend is bitten by the infertility pox, because the last thing this country needs is more of her (with EXTRA racial identity issues to boot!) Hopefully, the shit is contagous and she catches it from her beloved Whites.

25 07 2008
riz

@ Vanita– Yep. Up in Seattle. Experts testified to how police target outdoor drug exchanges (where Black folks are) more than indoor. Also, despite frequent drug use of all kinds (heroin and meth, etc), cops focused on crack, which was the only drug that Blacks tend to do more/ as much as Whites. They showed that crack had no more of a negative impact on community health or crime or any other factor, so there was no justification on focusing on crack but for the racial dynamics.

25 07 2008
Amadeo

@ ST

MED is off how? He’s one of the few elders I always want on a panel when they start talkng about Hip-Hop.

25 07 2008
Omar

If Jesus was alive they would call him a dirty communist…

25 07 2008
Vanita

@ Riz – I just cant believe it was the 9th Circus. That court is CRAZY!!! I know the STATISTICS on crack, I think I wrote some type of paper on it in college. But can you give me the case name/number? I’d love to look it up.

25 07 2008
Knatural

Jesus is a filthy pinko commie!

How is Dyson off about Hip-Hop?
I heart Michael Eric Dyson, he shares a name with the best vacuum cleaner ever, and they both never lose suction.

25 07 2008
Vanita

Knat, dont make me cut you. I said I heart MED first.

25 07 2008
Ms. Sula

I heart Michael Eric Dyson, he shares a name with the best vacuum cleaner ever, and they both never lose suction.

—————- FLATLINED————!

25 07 2008
Jo

Hahahaha@Knat. I don’t even want to think about the implications of that last statement.

25 07 2008
25 07 2008
Startariot

Re: the whole, police in suburbia vs police in mostly black populated cities:

Interesting..and so true. Reminds me of the abundance of eagle eyed 2520 cops standing in bunches on The Ave. in NYC just WAITING WITH BATED BREATH for something criminal to happen inches from them. Meanwhile I had a co-worker from a small town in PA telling me her high school stories of how a couple cops she knew would bring beer to their parties and drink with her and her friends. You would think that whole “police not knowing and not trusting the people in the community they work in” angle would get brought up more often too but alas..

25 07 2008
Stephanie

Fantastic.

25 07 2008
puff

@ riz – preach – so so true about the child molesters, and white people in general.

in england, where i used to live, all the crazy shit was only ever done by white people – the paedophiles, the crazy psychos who stab people to death for no reason whatsoever, all white.

25 07 2008
Sister Toldja

Dyson is 50 years old. So while he is an elder to most of us, he was in his 20s when Hip-Hop exploded. Technically, he is outside of the “Hip-Hop generation” (typically referred to people born between 1965 and 1985), but he has been around long enough to observe as a semi-insider.

My probem with Dyson, like some of the other scholars that I do otherwise respect (i.e. Joan Morgan) is that he is a Hip-Hop apologist. He intellectuaizes, pokes, prods and overwhelmingly DEFENDS rappers, without effectively challenging the messages in the music.

25 07 2008
riz

@ Vanita:

I’ve lost Lexus and Westlaw access till I start work, but here are some cites that can get you started. Make sure you shepardize because the Ninth just heard an appeal as recently as March 2008;

General Summary

Order Granting SJ

Court finding Compelling Evidence of Racial Discrimination

25 07 2008
puff

another personal rant – i also don’t trust the stats people quote about the third world, especially all them damn dollar a day shits. obviously there’s poverty, they never take into account the difference in the standard of living. i’m sick to death of all these “feed a poor starving african child” motherfuckers – damn it, i’m hungry and african and no one from oxfam’s offered me a camel burger yet.

sidenote: someone called obama an antichrist? what the fuck? im glad im not in america right now and don’t have to deal with the bullshit media… just my home radio stations that give me the news in pidgin english 🙂

25 07 2008
ayo

In all of his hip hop intellectualizing, has MED ever put together a program for youth that attacks the hip hop pondering that he spouts instead of writing books for people who already understand its implications?

I am just really tired of all the ‘talking about it’ sh*t.

25 07 2008
Defiant

There is alot of talk about hiphop’s degrading view of women good point it’s true! But the same goes for any other rock music video I’ve ever seen I’m not saying two wrongs make a right but lets not isolate.

As far as stats go white people love em it’s on their list!

25 07 2008
Ms. Sula

“another personal rant – i also don’t trust the stats people quote about the third world, especially all them damn dollar a day shits. obviously there’s poverty, they never take into account the difference in the standard of living. i’m sick to death of all these “feed a poor starving african child” motherfuckers – damn it, i’m hungry and african and no one from oxfam’s offered me a camel burger “

Preach my darling… Do preach.

P.S: maybe we can make a Mega Church preaching The Gospel according to SBPH (Stuff Black People Hate)

25 07 2008
Knatural

Hmmm. Ayo – Don’t ya love Pidgin English? And they look at YOU sideways, and ask YOU to listen more carefully. How about you just annuciate. 😀

ST – Your argument actually makes sense. Drat. I here Dyson speak and he’s too wordy and unapproachable at times, so I tune him out. Sometimes I feel like he’s showing off for the cameras…

25 07 2008
Amadeo

@ ST

I gotta disagree. He does call out alot of the garbage, but he also recognizes that that is not Hip-Hop as a whole. Meanhwhile he’s one of the few people I hear that point the proper fault at the industry. Everyone else acts like if all the popular rappers started talking about love and peace then things would be cool…nah. Look at the main purchasing demo. Labels would all go find new people to replace them and someone can always rap and wants to get paid.

Now…Russell Simmons…was an apologist like a mug last night. The thing that he won’t point out, but MED will is that the Mainstream Hip-Hop of today is actually at odds with what Hip-Hop initially was. But the P.E., De La, and so forth of that era challenged the industry via those who control it. Why wouldn’t they sign 50…he never mentions Industry rule # 4080.

25 07 2008
Zahara

25 07 2008
Amadeo

Keep in mind he’s usually in between rappers like “We just saying what we live” and cat’s like Stanley Crouch.

25 07 2008
B4Prez

1. Studies show that whites are more likely to have pale-ass skin.

2. Chris, ur friend is a whore…and she swallows.

3. MED is the man…eventho he is prone to sometimes overdoing it with the vocabulary.

25 07 2008
Cheekie

Amadeo – “I gotta disagree. He does call out alot of the garbage, but he also recognizes that that is not Hip-Hop as a whole. Meanhwhile he’s one of the few people I hear that point the proper fault at the industry. Everyone else acts like if all the popular rappers started talking about love and peace then things would be cool…nah. Look at the main purchasing demo. Labels would all go find new people to replace them and someone can always rap and wants to get paid.

Now…Russell Simmons…was an apologist like a mug last night. The thing that he won’t point out, but MED will is that the Mainstream Hip-Hop of today is actually at odds with what Hip-Hop initially was. But the P.E., De La, and so forth of that era challenged the industry via those who control it. Why wouldn’t they sign 50…he never mentions Industry rule # 4080.”

YES!!

25 07 2008
Muse

What I want to know is who the hell is this Asian chick who feels the need to defend Whites and crap on Black people. If she were my friend, we would have been in a cat fight by now.

25 07 2008
Defiant

I have no problem if a girl decides to swallow… But thats just me 🙂

25 07 2008
Ms. Sula

In other (un)related news, we have this
http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/17/1205061.aspx?GT1=43001

Now, I wonder how those kids would have been Black (or not) in America…

25 07 2008
B4Prez

@Defiant – Thumbs up! I’m assuming this is the only reason Chris keeps her around.

25 07 2008
ayo

Will I get shot if I say I didnt believe the tears MED shed at the end of his interview?

25 07 2008
Amadeo

“MED wouldn’t do that” (no NPH)

25 07 2008
Knatural

Why is swallowing/oral activities an insult? *sigh*

25 07 2008
Ms. Sula

I heart you, Knatural… and I wanna know too, like why is that? 🙂

25 07 2008
B4Prez

@Knat – It’s a great thing…trust…but it’s still fun to point and laugh when sum1 is called a guzzler.

25 07 2008
Cheekie

I just saw that (Blackand White twins) on Yahoo, Ms. Sula. Very strange phenomenom. I read it’s happened a few times before, but I never heard of it.

Black and White twins are just destined to sing “Ebony and Ivory” at Karaoke Bars.

25 07 2008
riz

I find the furtive spit works best. I, um… had a friend whose bf had no idea what she did with it, bc while he was enjoying the afterglow, she spit so quickly that he didn’t have time to notice.

25 07 2008
Amadeo

I third that.

25 07 2008
Omar

MED is wordy as hell, and for no reason, he can write a whole book about something that can be summed up in a few sentences. His wordines reminds me of this…

http://stuffblackpeoplehate.com/2008/03/20/derrick-ashong/

He also, style wise, bears a strange resemblence to a young Jesse ‘cutanuccanutsoff’ Jackson, Beware…

I think Lupe summed it up last night everyone involved is responsible, these are all grown men who know what they ae doing.

You will never see one of these specials with someone who offers clear constructive criticism of the black community. They always have some right wing person who doesn’t know what they are talking about as the opposing view, whom we promptly ignore and others who make a bunch of excuses. Not that we don’t face some dire circumstances but history shows outsiders can’t be trusted to help us… **Malcolm rolls in his grave**

Also, there should be NO hip-hop forums or public discussions without KRS-One.

25 07 2008
Knatural

I know we’ve had this conversation before: but it really annoys me that sexual acts, that every man desires, is then turned into insult. It’s like aversion therapy – where you’re conditioned to associate something bad with whatever stimulus or thing the addict abused.

25 07 2008
puff

@ riz – ahahahahahahahahaahahaahahahaa i’m so mad at that

25 07 2008
B4Prez

It’s like when a gay man calls his friend a fag. Its a non-insult/insult for laughs.

25 07 2008
LadiJai

Great post… haven’t read through all the comments yet…
So, I basically tried to share some of the facts ignored with the Young Republicans (read racist asses) during undergrad… I some how ended up labled the angry black woman on campus, you know, cause all black women who try to share some damn knowledge have to be angry… F YT and racism.

25 07 2008
ayo

I LOVE KRS-ONE!!! He would have been a great choice. I read this great article on him: http://www.okayplayer.com/content/view/6031/123/

And you know who else shoulda been on there: Judge Mathis & Judge Judy. (No Im not kidding.) http://www.bossip.com/21598/jet-magazine-quote-of-the-day/

25 07 2008
Jen

I saw that article.

Standards for whiteness are much more stringent abroad than in America. We’ve adopted a sort of expansive definition of whiteness.

Remember the “white” couple (Dominican woman/white man) from New York who sued because their artificially inseminated baby was “crippled” with Blackness?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/03222007/news/regionalnews/black_baby_is_born_to_white_pair_regionalnews_todd_venezia.htm

Clearly, the only person who looks out of place in that photo is the pasty daddy.

Anyway, for that reason, I think Black and White Twins is becoming a non-racial moniker for babies of extreme coloring differences. Because the “white” one doesn’t look white at all. My little one was paler than that when she was born.

25 07 2008
Omar

@Knat – it is because black people are conditioned to shun everything we love or treat it like crap, including but not limited to, sexual acts, black women, our bodies, dignity, our children, etc…

25 07 2008
ayo

Or even Hill Harper or Bell Hooks … ppl like that.

25 07 2008
Mike Whiteguy

Niggerdom -that’s funny

25 07 2008
Startariot

Did anyone catch Nas on Colbert two nights ago

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/23/rapper-nas-delivers-fox-n_n_114645.html

I respect that he’s standing up to Faux News and Dildo Reilly and I agreed with just about everything he said up until, when discussing the n word: “It’s a word with a horrific origin and a terrible history……but I can say it because it’s a word we took and flipped around…”

No..

25 07 2008
puff

@ knat – i so agree with you. why is it that a man who whores around is seen as a dude with game, but the reverse can never be true of a woman? cos men have some different way of going about screwing that women can never hope to achieve? it’s like that same ol crap that tells women to save themselves up for that “special prince” (gag) whilst men can go “sow their wildoats”. bullshit on that. sex all you want, but be responsible about it is all i have to say. having a dick as opposed to a pussy doesn’t change the act or the fact that you’re having sex.

25 07 2008
Knatural

It’s like when a gay man calls his friend a fag. Its a non-insult/insult for laughs.

No. This is a guy-guy insult exchange, not a guy-girl exchange. When insults cross gender, race, or class lines, it’s stings more.

25 07 2008
Jen

@puff. I am all for double standards. Men don’t get pregnant or get cervical cancer.

25 07 2008
puff

@ jen – that couple need to take a leaf out of brad and angelina’s book… embrace the child. build up a rainbow coalition of a family, then make profit selling your pics to ok! about how multi-ethnic you are… *smh* damn white people.

25 07 2008
ayo

I think men wanting to make sex a conquest, make it seem nasty and perverted to derive extra pleasure from getting women to do it.

When we were in high school, I will never forget this dude told us that he literally LAUGHED everytime a girl gave him some. He said that he found them stupid because they fell for his game!

25 07 2008
riz

Lady/Gentlman in the streets. Freak in the bed.

It’s old, but it works. For both genders.

25 07 2008
puff

@ jen – true, but it doesn’t mean that the double standards have to descend to insults and degradation. being responsible for your sexual activity’s key, regardless of your gender (men can still get STDs n shit, and having a baby still lies on both parties, although i agree everything hits the woman harder… goddamn it sucks being a woman sometimes)

25 07 2008
Omar

The double standard is the fault of women, women call other women who sleep around loose, men call that an opportunity…

It is the same thing with the age double standard don’t blame me if you like old crusty men and I don’t like old crusty women.

25 07 2008
B4Prez

@Knat – No harm intended. Peter Griffin forced me to write it.

25 07 2008
puff

@ ayo – i hope he has VD.

25 07 2008
riz

A man turns sex acts into dirty things/ brag about sexual conquest in order to discourage women from having more than him as a sexual partner. Men know that once they have competition, they’ll be held to a higher standard. Unfortunately, many, MANY men cannot reach that standard. They don’t want women to know that they have no skills.

25 07 2008
puff

@ omar – lmao at old’n’crusty… eugh. both ways. i don’t do gerontophilia, no matter how good the pay may be.

and opportunity imho is just an euphemism for loose. both men and women across the board need to change their mindset about sexual activity – shit, everyone’s doing it, might as well be honest about it.

25 07 2008
puff

***total sidenote***

GODDAMN obama’s kids look kenyan. strong ass genes.

25 07 2008
Knatural

Puff – I kinda understand the sexual double standards, because men are the seed spreaders, and our lovely biological design (thanks God) makes woman more suseptible to disease…

B4Prez – I still heart you, just curious about the things men do and don’t seem to analyze. That’s all. I’m always curious about insults, slurs, profanity…why are these words bad? Who says so? Wikipedia has a wonderful list of ethnic slurs that everyone should read.

25 07 2008
Jen

OH GODDDD…puff, you need to read the damn complaint in the case about the dark-skinned baby born to the multiracial couple. The opinion has excerpts of it. It includes such gems as:

“both parents have been forced to raise a child that is not even the same race, nationality, color & descent of them & other family members; in that same will cause confusion, ill ease, depression and emotion [sic] strain and damage for the entire life of all the parties involved”

“…[the child] will be emotionally damaged by the anticipation or reality of her ridicule . . .”

“They aver that “[w]hile we love Baby Jessica as our own, we are reminded of this terrible mistake each and every time we look at her; it is simply impossible to ignore. This brings with it an unending feeling of helplessness and despair. We are conscious of, and distressed by this mistake, each and every time we appear in public.”

Tell us how you really feel.

25 07 2008
Yonnie3k

@ Startariot – I loved Stephen Colbert’s lead in/intro to Nas. More than his feelings on the N-word, I was disgusted with Nas’ response to O’Reilly that Colbert put up: “He don’t deserve no explaination. I’ll bite his nose off.” Word?

“What’s your denominator?” My new response anytime statistics are quoted… Thanks whoever that was

25 07 2008
Yonnie3k

Oh – and as for the list of books: you (we) all should get on http://www.Shelfari.com

25 07 2008
puff

@ knat damnit i shouldn’t have clicked on that link… i got reminded about how someone called me a golliwog once, and now i’m furious.

25 07 2008
maya

“Whiteness” is expansive in America because “whiteness” is what defined “non-blackness” in the age of slavery. It allowed poor whites to feel like they were superior to someone, and solidified blacks being at the bottom.

25 07 2008
Amadeo

The Male vs. Female outlook is nature.

Females seek those most likely to pass on genes that enable survival.
Males seek numbers in order to ensure that their genes live on.

Most males (nature wise) do something to ensure that with each partner they are the ones to impregnate them. Squids blow water through the female to clear out any other sperm. Men will release more if they’ve been away from a woman for a while to try and out number any other sperm.

I fully encourage all respectful dialog in regards to sex…especially if it will keep me from having to go into a whole diatribe like the above to ensure I get my toes curled.

25 07 2008
Yonnie3k

Wait? Jen? That’s their biological child? I don’t understand. Where can I read more about this?

25 07 2008
Jen

From Wiki’s list of racial slurs:

“Leroy, LeRoy, Leeroy, LeeRoy
Given name allegedly common among black people.[citation needed]”

ROTFLMAO

Damn, Wiki is really reaching.

25 07 2008
ayo

DAMN!!! how come most of the list is dedicated to : A black person

25 07 2008
B4Prez

As for that couple, he’s white, and she’s Dominican (aka “I just want the rest of the YT’s to realize that eventho I’m black as hell, I’m not black”) so I’m really not surprised by those claims.

But, IMO, they should be able to sue for the docs impregnating her with a stranger’s sperm.

25 07 2008
tilshiloh

Took stats 1 and 2 in college. Chinese math professor told me there is only one lesson to be learned from these two courses: who is doing the counting?

I’m a black male professional. 100% of my homeboys work (most with a side business too) and have not been to jail. 100% of them take care of their family members (both immeadiate and extended). 100% of them live in a well managed home. 100% of them have black women as partners…

Guess my question is: who the fu__k is counting and how come they never ask my very black ass!

It’s friday and “I’man is going hunting on Devon’s(we need him for days like this) corner fi a SPLIFF”. I aint had one in a year or so but the past couple of days spent on CNN calls for a rude’bwoi airlift.

Anybody got a light..according to the statistics I can’t even afford a matchbook

25 07 2008
puff

@ jen…. wtf? they KNOW that shit makes no sense and is no kind of cover for their racist asses. eugh, so so so furious now.

p.s. i’m mad they called the mama light-skinned. i’m also mad that they wrote “Despite the alleged baby bungle, little Jessica was born healthy.” cos having a child of a different race is equivalent to having a child with down’s syndrome?

25 07 2008
Knatural

JEN – I was just about to say… LEROY? a slur AAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
And Powderburn? Mosshead? Some slurs are just funny.

25 07 2008
Jen

Yonnie, a white man and Dominican woman (described as a “white couple”) went to a clinic to have the woman’s inseminated with the man’s sperm. The woman was accidentally inseminated with what the couple assumes is a Black man’s sperm (the baby is slightly darker than the woman). So, they sued the clinic.

They complained the baby would be handicapped and emotionally distressed living life as a Black person. They also claimed that the whole family would suffer because now they are a multiracial family and they are utterly traumatized every time they so much as look at their GORGEOUS CHILD.

I can’t find the complaint online anymore, but here is the opinion:

http://www.courts.state.ny.us/reporter/3dseries/2007/2007_27139.htm

25 07 2008
Startariot

I was disgusted with Nas’ response to O’Reilly that Colbert put up: “He don’t deserve no explaination. I’ll bite his nose off.” Word?

Yea that too. And you could just hear the smug glee in Dild ‘O’s voice as he read it. Thanks for reinforcing the sterotype, Nas..

25 07 2008
ayo

I like nig-nog and jungle bunny. Seems like candy. Chocolate candy.

25 07 2008
ayo

tilshiloh… spark!

25 07 2008
riz

@Amadeo,

Since you like healthy dialogue, let me ask you an honest question:

Are there any studies that show that a size of the Johnson indicates the strength of the sperm? What about the size of the ballsack?

Also, when a woman has been away from a man for a while, she piques quicker too. Females need to clear it out, too.

25 07 2008
riz

I like nig-nog and jungle bunny. Seems like candy. Chocolate candy.

LMAO!!!!!!! I’m so adopting “nig-nog” into my everyday use.

25 07 2008
ayo

clear it out????

25 07 2008
B4Prez

lmao@ Leroy. SMDH

25 07 2008
ayo

OOHHH we ax’in Amadeo sex questions?

Dear Sir,
What tips would you offer women in the fine art of slobbing the nob from your personal mussings?

25 07 2008
riz

Yes… as in.. “Let it rain…. and clear it out.”

25 07 2008
Knatural

AHAHAHAHHAHAHHAAH Nig-Nog!
You dirty little nig-nog

If anybody every called me this, I’d probably laugh myself into an uncontrollable fit of the farts.

25 07 2008
Yonnie3k

Jen, I found this article with a picture of the family. Somebody should slap them. The mom is Dominican. A white man’s sperm and a dominican woman’s egg (even tho she’s light skinned(ed)) is not going to produce a white baby. I mean, I’d be mad that the fertility clinic made an error too, but “ridiculed?” Word?

http://afronerd.blogspot.com/2007/03/talk-about-mix-up-fertility-appears-to.html

25 07 2008
ayo

I love all yall nig-nogs.

25 07 2008
riz

Nig-nog commentaries are the best.

25 07 2008
Omar

Can I sue Fox News and the New York Post for my emotional distress??

25 07 2008
Yonnie3k

Q&A with Amadeo? You missed this convo: What is your preference when it comes to a lady’s grooming…er…uh….down there? You like em bald like ole chester faced ass Landon, don’t cha?

25 07 2008
Yonnie3k

We should sue Faux News for defamation of character – OF BLACK PEOPLE!!! YES!!! A class action lawsuit. Where’s Esquire!!

25 07 2008
riz

@ Omar; Yes, if you can prove damages.

(No, that wasn’t funny, but good practice for me).

25 07 2008
maya

I love Nas. And this interview with Colbert.

25 07 2008
Yonnie3k

BTW Jen, I’ve been laughing at this since yesterday: “Ma, you mad sexy. And I see you into readin’ and shit. Aight. Aight. I feel you, ma.”

25 07 2008
Amadeo

@ Riz

Not that I’m totally aware of but 1)a woman reaching orgasm increase chances of pregnancy as well as 2) the more pipe you can lay the shorter distances your swimmers have to travel thus reaching their goal quicker…not to mention increasing the change of hitting the g-spot and see #1

@ Ayo

Act like it has the antidote and mind the stepchildren.

If the ladies want to give advice I’m all ears…but I have stated I am the clit commander.

25 07 2008
Defiant

When is comes to makin’ babies, black or white we all need to take a page out of this book 🙂 ENJOY!

25 07 2008
Jen

Yonnie, when I first saw a picture of that family, I almost teeteed on myself. First of all, aside from the skin color, the two girls look EXACTLY ALIKE. Ain’t nobody going to be questioning them as kin. Secondly, do you know what that woman would be where I come from?

BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK.

And not even light-skinned. Brothers would call her a “caramel cutie.”

I don’t even know why she jumped to the conclusion that the father of the child is Black. She is Dominican and should know better. I would laugh at her if genetic testing revealed the baby’s real daddy was as white as her husband.

25 07 2008
Omar

@riz – as evidence I cite my blood pressure which is like 500/360…

25 07 2008
Amadeo

@ Yonnie3k

I take them as they come…however I dont’ think any dude likes to feel like he’s licking Angela Davis’ scalp.

25 07 2008
B4Prez

@ayo – For starters, swallow that spit. Once you’ve gotten ‘it’ wet enough, u gotta get that suction going. There’s nothing worse than a wet mouth just going up n down w/o some suction.

25 07 2008
Vanita

I dont’ think any dude likes to feel like he’s licking Angela Davis’ scalp.

LMAO!!!!! STOP IT PLEASE!!!!!!

25 07 2008
ayo

@wet mouth… hehehehehehehehehe!

25 07 2008
Ms. Sula

Not Angela Davis’ scalp!

Oh no! 😀

25 07 2008
ayo

B4PREZ & Amadeo: any specialty tricks that shocked you? or incidents that you’d rather forget?

25 07 2008
Vanita

what about hand action – yea or nay??

25 07 2008
Knatural

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAH @ Angela Davis’ scalp. I just pictured my vaj throwing up the Black Power salute.

25 07 2008
riz

My best advice about good sex is the same as to good writers:

KNOW YOUR AUDIENCE.

Everyone has a general approach to doing the thang, but please, adjust as necessary. And don’t make assumptions.

For example, I, um… have a friend, who is a strong, independent woman who is in 100% control of her sexuality. But she likes a man who is comfortable being sexually dominant. Picking up and throwing around and such (within reason). She loves a guy who approaches intimacy with a dose of creativity. Not to say that she doesn’t enjoy a slow and passionate session, but no matter how much in love she is with her bf, she tends to get bored once the candles come out and the old Keith Sweat albums come on.

But she understands that all women are different… with one exception: everyone wants someone who knows how to go down, and go down well.

25 07 2008
Knatural

Wait, I don’t have an Angela Davis vaj!
Nevermind.

25 07 2008
ayo

I dont know how to give a hand job. Seriously.

25 07 2008
Knatural

Riz – is your friend named Riz?

25 07 2008
Yonnie3k

Suction? I think that’s a personal preference…so I’ve heard

25 07 2008
riz

@Knatural: ahahahahaa…. All I’m saying is that a nig-nog needs to put it down. Plain and simple.

25 07 2008
Jen

lol@Knatural

25 07 2008
ayo

Ok ladies… strangest place you got busy???

25 07 2008
B4Prez

@ayo and vanita –
1. Hand action is definitely a ‘yay’…esp when its coordinated with the mouth.

2. Give the whole thing some luv, not just the head.

3. Teeth are never good.

25 07 2008
Jen

Got busy? Meaning coitus or meaning any sex act?

25 07 2008
ayo

All I’m saying is that a nig-nog needs to put it down.

ROTFLMBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAO!!!!!

25 07 2008
Knatural

Riz, Nig-nogs be trippin’!

Ayo – outdoor park or car. I’m not that adventurous, I prefer the comfort of a bed. Sorry.

25 07 2008
Vanita

For example, I, um… have a friend, who is a strong, independent woman who is in 100% control of her sexuality. But she likes a man who is comfortable being sexually dominant. Picking up and throwing around and such (within reason). She loves a guy who approaches intimacy with a dose of creativity. Not to say that she doesn’t enjoy a slow and passionate session, but no matter how much in love she is with her bf, she tends to get bored once the candles come out and the old Keith Sweat albums come on.

But she understands that all women are different… with one exception: everyone wants someone who knows how to go down, and go down well.

PREACH!!!

25 07 2008
ayo

Whichever you choose Jen.

25 07 2008
Ms. Sula

Rooftop of a (dirty) building covered in snow…

Then I am surprised when I have strange breathing problems… *smh*

25 07 2008
ayo

parking deck.

25 07 2008
"Betty"

On the riverfront of the Mississippi River (i live in St. Louis)

25 07 2008
Jen

Strangest place for me was The Louvre.

25 07 2008
Vanita

In the car in a parking garage. Twice.

25 07 2008
ayo

meeee tooo BETTY!!! huuuuummmmm. Not on the Arch steps????

25 07 2008
Yonnie3k

model home

25 07 2008
Knatural

Got busy? Meaning coitus or meaning any sex act?

You know folks are freaky when they ask specifics like this…

25 07 2008
ayo

a childs play ground at night.

25 07 2008
Vanita

@ jen – the louvre is not strange. Im gonna go put that on my life list of things to do tho!

25 07 2008
Omar

The Louvre?… I think I saw Jen in the background in The Da Vinci Code.

25 07 2008
Amadeo

@ Ayo

The halls thing was very nice. I can’t think of anything that threw me off. But the stepchildren…it’s so easy to forget them.

@ Vanita

Hand action for me…nah. I had enough of that during my teenage years. If it’s in the movies or something the surprise can be nice.

I have a question…percentage wise how often do you want the slow and sexy vs. some old fashioned plowing. As sister once asked me and some friends if we just wanted to beat it up. My response was in the heat of passion no woman ever said “SlOWER, SOFTER.”

25 07 2008
B4Prez

@Yonnie – Don’t try to rip it off, but i wanna feel sum grip. Just like those pelvic muscles grip.

25 07 2008
"Betty"

Lol, nah, we didn’t quite make it to the steps. It was off in the cut on the hill with that runs along side the steps

25 07 2008
ayo

THE FREAKING LOUVRE!!!!!! you so damn classy.

25 07 2008
Knatural

Jen – The Louvre? Like in the bathroom or something…
I know you didn’t hump right in front of Mona Lisa.

25 07 2008
Vanita

Just wondering ladies – Were these ‘strange’ places the suggestion of the guys? Ill admit, Im down for whatever, but sometimes guys make me look at them like ‘WTF??? nasty ass’

25 07 2008
Vanita

@ Amadeo – i mean during the slob job.

And I prefer it rough most of the time.

25 07 2008
riz

Well… I think the old-fashioned vs. the getting f’d roundly depends on frame of mind… Like, if it’s done in good fun, with the objective to please one another, then, well, in my my friend’s opinion, it’s always welcome. Genuine mutual respect and affection goes a lonnnngg way.

But when a triflin nig-nog lays it down, and then afterwards say something like, “I win” or otherwise congratulates himself like he just got the Nobel P*ssy Prize, then, it kinda destroys the ambiance.

25 07 2008
Ms. Sula

Lol@Vanita…

Yeah, it was at the suggestion of the nig-nog (.. gotta stay current :))…

but it was after I casually mentionned in random convo that I had a “effin’ in snow” fantasy going…

25 07 2008
ayo

I like getting to the point (read getting served) like 2/3 of the time. When its sexy time… make that shit L.A.S.T. (but not to damn long) Im like… ok I get teh freaking point. SH*T! and mix it up, stop with the samp lap action. and please please my nig-nog, don’t bite/chew me.

25 07 2008
Jen

Ayo – Thank you, hon!

Knat – I decline to comment.

Vanita – I am typically the one who initiates these adventurous escapades. I have quite the libido. I promise, I am praying on it.

25 07 2008
Amadeo

@ vanita
yeah..but like b4 said has to be coordinated…

25 07 2008
Knatural

Jen, you nasty tramp. I blame that no good nig-nog Leroy.

Amadeo – I prefer both, with a strong leaning to rigorous plowing. Gotta get that heart-rate up.

25 07 2008
Ms. Sula

@Amadeo…

Are we talking stastistics here? Loll!
Well 99% of the damn time I just want to orgasm…

But it really depends on the mood… I may be into a “let’s look into each other’s eyes deeply and foresee our shared past and future kingdom and all that good stuff” mood and want slow sensual intimate sex…

Or I just want to feel a good one up mine and get it other with…

It’s like the weather in Texas… Impredictable. You gotta take the pool that day.

25 07 2008
Jen

DAMN it, Knatural. I told you I was praying on it.

25 07 2008
Ms. Sula

And that was supposed to read “Unpredictable” (damn this bilingual bull crap!!)

25 07 2008
ayo

ok…. moving on… What was the worst time you ever got ‘caught’?

25 07 2008
riz

I’ve always wanted to do it in a forest full of Redwood trees.

25 07 2008
Amadeo

@ Ayo

In the act?

With a friends sister in their parents house with like 10 friends downstairs.

25 07 2008
Jen

I have NEVER gotten caught.

25 07 2008
ayo

I was in @ my best friends house w/my bf and her parents came home.

25 07 2008
Knatural

Ms. Sula – a dirty, snow-covered rooftop! I can’t get nekkid in frigid temperatures…

25 07 2008
puff

@ defiant – omg memories with that vid! i love little britain

@ amadeo: My response was in the heat of passion no woman ever said “SlOWER, SOFTER.”

….um, i have. *runs and hides*

25 07 2008
Ms. Sula

Never gotten caught… Hmmm…

25 07 2008
Vanita

@ Jen – You are my new best friend. Dont pray on your HEALTHY libido, some women WISH that had that.
@ Ayo – My sister caught me on my pull out bed with that nig-nog goin down. And I was TIGHT cuz he had the nerve to stop. LMAO!!!

25 07 2008
Vanita

Gettin caught is like having an audience to me. Like watch what I can do…wheee!

25 07 2008
Vanita

or like “yea nig-nog!! WHAT UP!! You WISH you had this here huh??”

25 07 2008
riz

Vanita’s all mad, talking about, “Funny, I never told you to stop. Simon Says keep it up, my nig-nog!”

25 07 2008
ayo

Simon says…. hehehehehe!
Vanita – what did your sister say?

25 07 2008
Amadeo

I think the most important rule is…when it goes down go all out. Pretend you’re in some movie and it’s your last chance to win the championship or something.

25 07 2008
aceklub

I have never been caught and don’t think consider any of the places that I have had sex being strange. My bad for being the lame one of the group for the day.

25 07 2008
Ms. Sula

@Knat… We kinda got started in the warmth of a bedroom though… But it being NYE et all, you know alcohol was streaming faster in our bodies than blood… One thing leading to another… I was on my back, legs spread on a dirty snowy roof in the middle of Montreal…

In those moments I like to think I am an orphan…. It helps.

25 07 2008
Vanita

@ Ayo – She turned around and left. She KNOW the deal.

25 07 2008
ViK

0% chance any Black people went

25 07 2008
ayo

Ok… Acecklub… What is your favorite position or combination of positions? … (This is your chance to liven it up my nig-nog!!!)

25 07 2008
Ms. Sula

lmao @ ViK

This sentence should be enough to ward off any sane person:
amateur and business person’s logging competition, featuring axe throwing, sawing competition, and choker setting.

I mean seriously??!! 🙂

25 07 2008
Amadeo

Am I the only that can’t stop thinking about Leroy and whose next thought is automatically…”When you’ve got the gloooowwww….”

25 07 2008
Knatural

@ Sula – ah yes, liquid courage. I should have known. Alcohol is what made my now bastard husband believe I’m a contortionist who travels with Cirque du Soleil. No. I can not do that, my joints don’t bend backwards, I have a neck, I have a spine, ouch my arm, you’re on my hair, please do not attempt that, and so on.

I love drank.

25 07 2008
riz

@Vik: LMAO!!!!!! Oh my. A picture is worth a thousand words….

@Ayo: The question wasn’t directed to me, but has anyone seen the Sex and the City episode where Samantha sleeps with a wrestler? I’m not a huge SATC fan at all, but I could really relate to that ep… not only from past experience, but hopes for my future.

25 07 2008
joy

My favorite “statistic” (even though the numbers are never actually used) is that “unqualified” black people are taking up all the spots at colleges and universities from other people who supposedly deserve to be there instead.

This comes up for me a lot as a law school applicant. You’d think that all top law schools would be teeming with ridiculously high percentages of black students, but that’s just not the case. Same for basically all graduate and professional programs.

25 07 2008
riz

ah yes, liquid courage. I should have known. Alcohol is what made my now bastard husband believe I’m a contortionist who travels with Cirque du Soleil. No. I can not do that, my joints don’t bend backwards, I have a neck, I have a spine, ouch my arm, you’re on my hair, please do not attempt that, and so on.

I love drank.

AHAHAHAAHHAHAHA…. AHahahahahaa….

*pauses. wipes eyes. *

AHAHAHAAHHAHAHA

25 07 2008
Knatural

Amadeo – look at this nig-nog

25 07 2008
Vanita

@ Joy – Im thinking about not specifying my race on the LSDAC(or what ever the hell that site is, you know what Im talkin about) what do you think?

And you asked me something about LSAT yesterday…I dont remember what…
(i promise I havent been smokin, Im just so tired)

25 07 2008
Defiant

Sex is always better after smoking a nice big J.

25 07 2008
ViK

@ riz, RE Sex & The City…I’m still mad when Ugly McSkank turned town the hot black dude. Boo.

25 07 2008
riz

STATE YOUR RACE ON THE LSAC!

Gives BLSA programs and admission systems a heads up that you’re coming. And most of the time, that’s a good thing.

25 07 2008
puff

@ defiant – absolutely true.

@ knat why the baby oiled mf? – speaking of which, i really don’t know about baby oil/other oils in general in the bed. i don’t want to have grease stains on my sheets or fall out the bed cos my legs are too slippery to get a good grip. just me?

25 07 2008
creativecat

Actually, I’ve always attributed the disparity between the number of blacks with X undesirable quality and the rest of the population to one thing: More blacks live in poverty than any other race in the US. Poverty causes numerous other problems including every single issue in your post. I would be very interested in seeing a study that compares different races at the same socio-economic level. The only thing I’ve seen that comes close is SAT scores by religion and race. Black Unitarians have higher SAT scores than nearly any other race/religion combo. (Unitarians are typically at higher socio-economic levels than other religions.)

Going to read the comments now . . .

25 07 2008
Amadeo

@ Knat

I should add: “A lover swearing I had a Leroy-esque glow during sex” to my life list.

25 07 2008
riz

@Vik,

Thanks for the link. I guessed that SATC had already been covered here, since, well, men always hate that show (for some good, some bad reasons).

That doesn’t change the fact that sometimes, they depict sexual experiences that some women can relate to. The wrestler, being an excellent example.

And I’m glad she turned down the Black dude. White women copy EVERYTHING on that show. If Black became even more “in” then it already is, I think I’d become homicidal.

25 07 2008
Jen

Vanita – PLEASE ID yourself as Black. I know of white people who have. You have nothing to prove.

25 07 2008
aceklub

@ ayo
Good lookin for giving me a chance to join the crew

Well, I am one that loves using mirrors during sex and/or watching in the act.

Now, my wildest place of getting it in has been at a Swingers Event

25 07 2008
ayo

Ok… am I the only one who was SO FREAKING TURNED ON after watching DMX put it down in BELLY????

25 07 2008
ViK

riz (17:28:29) :

@ Vanita– Yep. Up in Seattle. Experts testified to how police target outdoor drug exchanges (where Black folks are) more than indoor. Also, despite frequent drug use of all kinds (heroin and meth, etc), cops focused on crack, which was the only drug that Blacks tend to do more/ as much as Whites. They showed that crack had no more of a negative impact on community health or crime or any other factor, so there was no justification on focusing on crack but for the racial dynamics.

It’s funnier when they accommodate the problem.

25 07 2008
ayo

STFU!!!!!! aceklub… and here I thougth you didnt have any stories… R u and your girl swingers?????

25 07 2008
Jen

Vik – please, please, PLEASE tell me that metro.co.uk is the English theonion.com.

25 07 2008
riz

@ Vik:

…..

……

….

Please call CNN. I’m going to produce a special: Whites Actin a Fool.

25 07 2008
aceklub

Nah, wouldn’t say all that but there was some curiousity to the idea. This was years ago so it hasn’t been anything or a current trend.

25 07 2008
Vanita

Thx Jen, Joy, Riz.

Riz you still havent given me than 9th cir crack case yet. I work for DOJ, so Im tryna use they resources dammit!

25 07 2008
ayo

One of my best friends is a swinger. Full time. THe first time she exposed her boyfriend to the community he threw up. Now… dude is on another level. That lifestyle is not for me, but very interesting to me for that same reason.

But… never got into the mirror thing… you must like lots and lots of porno?

25 07 2008
Knatural

ew.

25 07 2008
riz

@Vanita:


@ Vanita:

I’ve lost Lexus and Westlaw access till I start work, but here are some cites that can get you started. Make sure you shepardize because the Ninth just heard an appeal as recently as March 2008;

The first case was Farrakhan v. Gregoire, 2006 WL 1889273 (E.D. Wash)

I also posted some links for you at (17:47:58). The last one listed gives the best summary.

25 07 2008
riz

p.s. I’m sorry, I always mix up “Lexis” and “Lexus.” I am a true nig-nog lawyer.

25 07 2008
Vanita

@ ayo 95.7% of all men like porn.

has anyone ever heard of a glory hole???

25 07 2008
Vanita

Girl I got westlaw, lexis, pacer, all that good -ish

25 07 2008
ViK

Jen – while Metro is like the NY Post. Tabloidy, but true.

25 07 2008
Knatural

Vanita – your stats are incorrect. 95.7%? I think not.
Higher.

25 07 2008
riz

Hey Vanita,

If you can, try to find the original district court ruling, before all the appeals. That’s where they really go into the expert studies.

25 07 2008
ayo

porn does nothing for me. in fact, i view it as a training opportunity.

25 07 2008
aceklub

yea watching porno w/ the lady friend is a positive and adds to the moment.

I like the mirror thing b/c it gives me another visual to know if I am handling my business, especially during doggy as girls can fake sounds but facial expressions are another thing.

25 07 2008
joy

@Vanita – It’s OK, I don’t remember the question either 🙂 I do remember saying that I’m taking the damn test again. Definitely co-sign to riz saying to specify your race to LSDAS. If a school wants to give me a bump for being black, that should sufficiently make up for the times that I was held out of honors or AP classes because of my race.

Don’t even get me started on the assumption that a black person got into school based on race when no one assumes that a rich 2520 got into school based on their legacy status.

25 07 2008
Vanita

Sorry Knat. I had some outliers in my sample population 🙂

25 07 2008
Amadeo

@ Knat

I actually critique porn more than I actually “watch it”.

25 07 2008
riz

OMG.

I HATE LEGACIES!

Why doesn’t anyone EVER bring up legacies when they talk about affirmative action??!?!?!

CO-F’N SIGN, JOY.

25 07 2008
ViK

^^^omits superfluous “while” from last post.


Don’t even get me started on the assumption that a black person got into school based on race when no one assumes that a rich 2520 got into school based on their legacy status.

Co-sign! Like Cs get you into Yale, GWB.

25 07 2008
The Doc Is In

I’m so glad to get out of class and see you guys have finally turned the convo to sex. Excellent work.

25 07 2008
Vanita

Yea, money talks. I hate legacies too.

*Co signs with everyone else. *

25 07 2008
Knatural

Amadeo – me too. I’ve “learned” from it, but it’s not a turn-on because it’s so rehearsed and unreal. And, frankly, gross. Some sex-faces are double butt-ugly when you think about it.

25 07 2008
ayo

Ok doc… catch up: ever got caught? need any advice from Amadeo? wildest spot? rough or slow?

25 07 2008
Vanita

i know 2520 guys who watch porn together. its called jerk off sessions. is that weird to only me?

and i kno this female who is such a prude, she doesnt even believe fingers have a part in sex. hers OR his. i feel so bad for her.

25 07 2008
Ms. Sula

Porn, not so much… But a good Soft Porn flick starring girl-on-girl action is alright by me…

🙂

25 07 2008
ayo

that is gross Vanita.

25 07 2008
puff

@ vanita no it’s not only you – i remember when i was still in england hearing about a boarding school where the guys would all get together in a circle and jerk off over one picture or magazine…. seriously, what the fuck?

also, no fingers? what, no tongues too?

25 07 2008
Knatural

UGH!
Jerk Sessions? I swear, a lack of melanin MUST have an effect on brain function. That’s…ugh.

*whispers* : Vanita, how do you know this?…

25 07 2008
Vanita

I GOTTA TELL YALL ABOUT THIS GLORY HOLE!!!

basically 2520s stick their man hood in it and you will recieve pleasure. now how that pleasure comes…who knows? it could be a mouth, a hand, a vag, a butt, an artificial vag…

25 07 2008
The Doc Is In

Hmm, I’ve known people were watching, but never got “caught”. The Doc finds porn amusing (especially home made) and likes making sexy time in front of mirrors…she’s a vain bitch.

And am I the only one that thinks porn is completely worthless if on mute? Something about the sounds of sex make me all extra moisty. It should come as no surprise that Prince is my favorite musical artist EVAR…that magical pixie man puts liquid sex on wax.

25 07 2008
Vanita

LMAO @ knat
I love reading the men seeking men section on craigslist…
ITS SOOOO FUNNY!!! You get pics and everything!!!
Now how I stumbled upon that is a different story…

25 07 2008
puff

speaking of freaky, what about the foot vaginas?

25 07 2008
riz

@ Ms. Sula, I think its common that hetero women like girl on girl because those are the porns that depict women with respect and show what girls like. If more men-women porns did that, women would be more likely to invest in porn (IMO).

I just had a huge argument with some guys about women and porn. Men now nothing about female sexuality, so how can they argue that women in general don’t like porn?

This sex researcher discovered that women are actually *more* visual than men, when it comes to sex. She talked about how men only get aroused by watching one particular type of sex, whereas women get aroused by watching ALL types of sex, regardless of their sexuality.

It’s a myth that women don’t like seeing sex. They just don’t like seeing nasty, greasy, hairy ass dudes tryna put it on a girl who is fake orgasming like it’s her job… well… it IS her job, but that’s not my point.

25 07 2008
joy

All that money for boarding school and can’t afford your own damn magazine? SMH.

25 07 2008
Amadeo

@ Vanita

That is fricking deplorable. A “sausage fest” is bad enough when there are too many dudes in one place…anything beyond that is a “hostile work environment”.

I’ll come back and see what else you guys have cooked up…I need to know if the downtown PF Changs can provide me with a decent Sidecar.

25 07 2008
Vanita

lmao @ Joy

25 07 2008
riz

@The Doc: I saw Prince in concert, recently.

I’m still carrying on a quasi relationship with this guy that I met at the show. At this point, I’m convinced that I wouldn’t ordinarily even be interested in him BUT FOR the fact that Prince was there when we met. Pavlovs dogs and such.

25 07 2008
ViK

Vanita (20:37:26) :

i know 2520 guys who watch porn together. its called jerk off sessions. is that weird to only me?

Posted before, posted again. Ignit.

25 07 2008
Knatural

Doc. I love you. Prince is my favorite, too! he’s so pretty. Did we discuss this?!?! I watched Purple Rain the other night, as if I had never seen before, so excited.
Whenever I hear Prince at work, I feel…tingly and wanna go home. Can “I’m horny” be a reason to call out from work?

25 07 2008
Ms. Sula

@riz… Totally concur… Greasy sex is NEVER cool.

@joy… Lmao!

25 07 2008
Jo

Porn doesn’t do much for me either. A couple friends and I would get together for Porn ‘n’ Chicken nights. Cheap beer, bad porn, and great fried chicken. The guy that hosted it would play Disney songs over them. Absolutely hilarious. Just imagine somebody trying to get their socks blown while “Bippity-Boppity-Boo” plays over the loud speakers.

25 07 2008
Knatural

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA@ VIK!!!! I hate you!

Wonky McValtrex! NOOOOOOOO

excerpt: Those 9 dumb whores should be ashamed of themselves! They obviously thought they were good enough dick suckers to enter a competition, but they can’t persuade a few cops to let them go? Any skilled dick sucker would’ve sucked those cops into submission!

25 07 2008
Vanita

“It’s a sad day when bitches can’t suck dick in public without getting arrested. What is this world coming to?

And what I want to know is, what are the rules in a dick sucking contest? Whoever deep throats the longest without barfing wins? Does honorable mention go to whoever can lick the nuts with their tongue at the same time? And where can I download an application for next year’s competition? I’ve been training.”

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha!!! that is soooo funny!!!!!
*im surprised the govt let me get that page. TGIF*

25 07 2008
Vanita

I ❤ Knat!

25 07 2008
lola gets

I don’t have time to read the hundreds of comments before me, so forgive me if I am being repetitive. Syphilis was a disease of the epidermis in the Caribbean islands. Folks got it, it was a rash, it eventually went away and it was not fatal. When the Spanish encountered (conquered/decimated) them, they contracted it, and that’s when it changed. Because Europeans wore clothing practically all the time, syphilis then became a disease spread by sexual contact – one of the few ways folks touched each other skin-to-skin. And, it became a fatal disease.

So, yeah, Native Americans in the Caribbean gave the Spanish a disease which then became spread through sexual contact and, eventually, fatal. Score one for the NA’s!

I used to work in the field of HIV outreach and I am fascinated by epidemiology.

L

25 07 2008
Angry IV

“The next person to quote negative black statistics to me is getting punched in the back of the head. If you’re convinced that my black ass is prone to violence, I might as well not disappoint you.”

Haha…this is a good one. I agree, Sir. Ripping good showing, this Friday where I worked 12 hours. Tight.

25 07 2008

sex in front of a mirror=delightful

26 07 2008
maya

what happened with the new york post that everyone is talking about boycotting?

26 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Wait, what the fricknfrack is all this about supposedly hetero women getting turned on by lesbian porn? Is this some sort of ploy to entertain the likes of the mens on the site? Seriously?? Am I like a man cuz I want no more than one set of boobs in my porn??? no masturbation either? what the fuck

and for ya’ll to have an outlier. I learned about glory holes from a black guy who wanted to experience it but was scared that another man may be behind the veil. He knew where a couple spots were where this service could be gotten. His boys seemed to be split on the idea. Some already expereienced. They were all black. For no particular reason i also got into a conversation with him about videotaping himself jerking off and sending it out on the interwebs and he said no only b.c. he didn’t like the idea that another dude may download it. that was the ONLY reason he didn’t do that

26 07 2008
joy

Speaking of statistics, I saw this article linked on another board today and thought of this discussion. I apologize if it’s already been posted since I didn’t check all the links.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/mitchell/2008/06/study_shows_blacks_more_likely_1.html

26 07 2008
maya

I think “Black in America” would’ve been better off just showing the words

“ABSOLUTELY FUCKED” on the screen for two hours than whatever they called themselves putting together.

26 07 2008
Vanita

WNBT – Black guys KNOW what a glory hole is, and some have even experienced it?? WOW! LOL I would be so scared to stick my man stick in a hole. What if it got bit or a GOAT was behind the veil?

http://www.mediatakeout.com/25370/oh_my_gawwwwwwwd_what_is_that_man_doing_to_that_goat_parental_discretion_is_definitely_advised.html

26 07 2008
riz

Note to Men: All glory holes have other men on the other side. A woman doesn’t have to hid behind a wall. She just sells it, or gives it away for free.

26 07 2008
riz

*hide

26 07 2008
Roger

“I think “Black in America” would’ve been better off just showing the words

“ABSOLUTELY FUCKED” on the screen for two hours than whatever they called themselves putting together.”

HA! As a friend of mine put it, “Black men are criminals, black women are whores, and AIDS for everybody!” That…shit was nothing more than 4-hour guided tour through the “zoo” that is 2520’s perceptions of African Americans.

26 07 2008
Nice

I think everyone pretty much touched on what i feel. Bottom line- statistics are BS. You can get anything to gear toward how you feel if you go to the correct resource.

I work in the health insurance industry, so I kno how it pretty much works with health conditions- in regards to STD’s and everything else. The Medical Information Beureau must be contacted for conditions to be “on paper”. Like, someone pointed out earlier, what if the doctor never gives this information out. It is very possible that people from affuent familes have drs that will withhold this info because it can prevent that person from getting private insurance. It will also keep their name clean and prevent them from becoming a “statistic”.

26 07 2008
G-mo

I totally agree with you about being friends with your Asian racist. We all are racist in some way or another– whether its black dudes choosing only to date women lighter than them or whites not wanting to live in neighborhoods due to issues of “property values,” all of us are implicated in racism. People of color are not immune from it at all–it’s a societal issue, not an individual one.

26 07 2008
ViK

Don’t even get me started on the assumption that a black person got into school based on race when no one assumes that a rich 2520 got into school based on their legacy status.

Joy, pt. II – STOP THE INJUSTICE!. Rise up with me people!

26 07 2008
Nick

Quick question.

Is Leeroy (sp?) considered a slur?

I recently found out from an Irish friend of mine that calling an Irish guy Paddy is derogatory.

27 07 2008
4m_no_2_dc

we learned in my stats class that the stats about more black men being in jail than in college is correct….. but ONLY because the age group used for the study included black men who were far out of the average college age range (e.g.18-65).
oh,yeah….. gotta love stats.

27 07 2008
Admiral Furious

This post is late as hell… but most relevant regardless.

I’d like to inform all of you that the Asian idiot that Chris has stated here in this post is no LONGER a friend of the Admiral. Acceptance of ignorance and not accepting effective education is grounds for relationship termination in my book. I truly hope that the offender that I am referring to sees this post.

With that said, I’d like to point out that people love to focus on statistics and so called facts not unlike those pontificated on here, yet will cringe and refuse to observe, watch, read, hear, or accept any factual evidence disproving or explaining stereotypical badgering and various social misguidance. These are the same people who make claim that they are not racist, while dutifully pointing out that they actively talk to certain races of people. Yet these same people turn right around and speak racial stereotypes on the regular outside of the presence of those same people they claim to be friends with. Far more people engage in this kind of attitude than most believe.

With that said, I hope that unmarried Asian women living in the United States who only date white men all have sudden massive uterus purges, thus justifying their useless existence.

27 07 2008
Admiral Furious

Regardless… the black race is the target of more negative bullshit than any other race on the planet. There are more stereotypical jokes about black people than can be said for Asians, Whites, and Hispanics combined and there are more skewed statistical studies done against blacks throughout the world media than can be counted on two hands.

And the Asian community has been the leader in spreading the hatred.

27 07 2008
ninasimone

“With that said, I hope that unmarried Asian women living in the United States who only date white men all have sudden massive uterus purges, thus justifying their useless existence.”

“And the Asian community has been the leader in spreading the hatred.”

hmmm @ the first comment….why do you care about asian women who date white men exclusively? Im going to assume you’re a black guy and you’re a friend of chris’ (right?) so you’re likely to be mid to late 20s…which means you definitely dont date only black women and possibly prefer white and otherwise ( i have no prob with preference especially when the person admits it is just that and not bc of what some other group isnt)…and you probably get very irritated at black women giving you a hard time about who you date…would that be true? do you find your irritation at asian women to be just a little bit comical? especially if those other assumptions are true. you can go off and be angry lol…i just find the irritation with asian women who dont date black men ( didnt chris post a similiar gripe?) or white men only to be HILARIOUS!!!!! I would love to see one of these interactions in person 🙂

LOL…….just to be clear … so they are useless cuz they only date white dudes? LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!

i will never understand black men of my generation lol and that is okay

27 07 2008
ninasimone

“And the Asian community has been the leader in spreading the hatred.”

forgot to comment on this jewel…not that i am the great asian defender (not in the least) but what????? did you grow up in america or in japan?

dang dude…just keep trying to make it with a Mei Ling…you know they understand you and have things in common and whatnot

27 07 2008
ninasimone

“I’m a black male professional. 100% of my homeboys work (most with a side business too) and have not been to jail. 100% of them take care of their family members (both immeadiate and extended). 100% of them live in a well managed home. 100% of them have black women as partners…

Guess my question is: who the fu__k is counting and how come they never ask my very black ass!”

:-)…..posts like this remind me that i often buy in to the stereotypes myself sometimes about black men and overflow with sarcasm and glib-ness ( if thats a word).

27 07 2008
Admiral Furious

Ninasimone, you’re a pig and I mean that literally. If you knew anything about me, you’d see that I’ve been on this site saying the same thing for a long time. Go back to the sty and stuff your face.

27 07 2008
Admiral Furious

Nina… here’s some help for you

http://stuffblackpeoplehate.com/faq/

If you had any clue you’d understand. But you don’t… so its okay.

27 07 2008
Sister Toldja

Well, DAG, AF! That was a bit much, no? In Nina’s defense, I haven’t seen a post from you myself in quite a while. And while the posts have started generating way more comments that I would or could ever read, your’s is a name that I typically stop and read for. I’ve seen HER comments more recently, so maybe she ‘must don’t know’ about you! We can correct someone for making an ASSumption without going to the mean name-calling, no?

I, too, was once curious as to why one would care so much about what Asian women did. But I’ve been reading longer and I have peeped the anecdotes about the Asian girls. And I can sorta see how someone who dates and hangs out across color lines could find that behavior annoying. I keep all my romantic (and most of my platonic) relationships firmly within the Negronia state lines, as it comes naturally to me to do so. But even I find it curious that sooooo many Asian women feel the need to jump ship.

Speaking of, while I am TRYING to be an enlightened, openminded person these days, my roomate is having a party as we speak. And the only brother down there I really found attractive is here with an Asian breezy of marginal prettiness. That annoyed me.

27 07 2008
Proud

Admiral Furious,

You need to focus on DATE BLACK WOMEN and stop obsessing about getting with an ‘Asian’ girl. What does Asian girl even mean? What country are you even talking about?

Who Asian women date is none of your business. They have the right to date and marry whoever they feel like.

Your statement about Asians spreading hate is so ignorant, it is laughable. Is this the level of your racist discourse? pathetic. No WONDER no one dates you. PERIOD.

You won’t be friends with this one girl because she apparently hates, but you are full of hatred yourself. PATHETIC.

FIND A BLACK WOMAN, DATE, MARRY HER. TAKE CARE OF HER AND YOUR FAMILY.

Look into yourself and evaluate where you anger comes from. No Asian has caused you any pain, and YOU KNOW IT. Leave us alone. Your entire blog is a one big rant against Asians. We get picked on and abused by you in our communities. Your anger spills out into reality. STOP CAUSING and INSPIRING ethnic hatred.

Get this into your head: You are a racist.

27 07 2008
Proud

The question is WHY ARE BLACK PEOPLE SO OBSESSED WITH ASIANS?

Why do Black men have such strong yellow fever?

If there is an Asian girl in a room, you KNOW that the black men will flock to her. I see it all the time. SO the question is, why do Black men hate Black women so much?

Sister Toldja, what does it matter to you if an East Asian woman dates someone from another race? It’s none of your business.

AND FACT: According to census reports collectively for over 100 years, Asian women have dated and married other Asian men–by over 80% of the time.

27 07 2008
Admiral Furious

ST, despite my absence, you should indeed know that my consistency on topics such as this. Comments about Asian women have not changed, and despite my singling them out in one area of my post, I was speaking on the derogatory attitude the world has about black people. That is something that we’ve spoken about many times before. Has that been forgotten? Being black and ignoring this fact is stupidity.

And despite the popular statement “Two Wrongs Don’t Make a Right” is certainly applicable, I think that the numerous WRONG statements and insults fired off at me which was not even corrected by anyone is certainly justified by a quick tongue lashing of my own. Besides, it would be unlike me to NOT incorporate Admiral Furious into the mix.

27 07 2008
Sister Toldja

Something else worth considering. I remember a while ago, Chris said something about being primarily approached by non-Black women (I think). To kinda go along with what Nina said….If I were out and saw a crew of men of all different races, and one or two of them were Black, I would likely ASSume that either 1) the brothers date women of all races, including sisters or 2) the brothers date women of other races and NOT sisters. Would I infer, just off appearances, that one of those brothers may have a very pro-Black website (if not “pro-Black” in the tradtional sense) and a deep appreciation for Black women (if not apparent to everyone)? And that his friend may be even more militant than he? Nope. The same way one wouldn’t assume that my be-Afroed sister and her be-Afroed homegirl are engaged to and involved with White men, respectively.

Just something to consider. At the end of the day, image is nothing, thirst is everything. Drink Sprite (if you like really shitty soda and high frucose corn syrup).

27 07 2008
Admiral Furious

Sigh…

For all of you fools information:
1) I am currently in a serious relationship with a black woman. So please ladies, get off of the assumptions and read what I had to say.
2) I work in a diverse environment in Central MD and have experienced the racism that has happened in Northern Va by Asians
3) Please refer to older posts and find the various experiences that Chris and I have had, notably when we went to visit a Korean friend in Va… found his house, and had a police car slowly pace the neighborhood as we unloaded food from my vehicle into the house. Later that friend told us that in the time that his family had inhabited that house, never had he seen a police car before. Ironic that it happened when two blacks were visiting an all asian neighborhood.

So please… you people need to go through the history of this site and see what I’m about before you even think about assuming anything about me.

27 07 2008
Sister Toldja

Proud, all I said was at ONE TIME, I was curious about that. Don’t lump me in to the ‘obsessed with Asians’ group. As I stated, my dating and mating happens within the conifines of Black folk. But on the flip, just as I am deeply conserned with the lack of value our men place on us (both the ones who date sisters and the ones who don’t), I do sometimes wonder what non-Black women want from our men. I don’t always think the attraction is wholesome and as someone who cares about Black men, that shit is my buisness. But at the end of the day, all I want is for my brothers and sisters to love each other.

AF- It’s ways to correct folks without saying “you are a pig, literally”. When we are addressing the lack of love between Black men and women, me thinks one’s point can be lost when they go to calling Black women nasty names. And I don’t think I’ve seen you post anything in a looooong time, so what if she started reading this site in your absence?

27 07 2008
Admiral Furious

Well ST, perhaps I was wrong calling her names. But you know what, you defend her to no end… but no love for me, a black man. You didn’t even bother to mention anything that I’ve done int he past. Thats fine. Thats cool. You know who I am, and didn’t even bother to refute anything that she said.

With that said… I’m going to point out that THIS is the rift between black men and women.

27 07 2008
Proud

AF: Nothing excuses you spewing disease and hatred on Asians. There is racism everywhere on this planet, racial and ethnic differences are not specific. Travel around the world a bit and you will see divisions between tribes (I posted on that, but I guess Chris or you deleted my earlier post about marriage and Asians) and even neighborhoods.

I know for a fact that Asians face the most physical and verbal abuse in America from blacks–mostly from women, but also men. We get harassed, called names, and worse. No other race here in this country treats us the way you guys do. AND we talk about that amongst us. And this is not just within Asian communities. We have this talk among immigrant communities in general.

I have traveled to many countries, and there is a general “knowledge” that immigrants need to stay away from Blacks because Blacks hate immigrants and will kill them. Every single incident of Blacks killing or beating up immigrants are published overseas, so there is a lot of fear. I think justifiably so. Anyway, I have heard these statements all over the world. It’s not Asian communities–it is most immigrant communities in America. It is a “common knowledge” that we will be killed by Blacks because they hate us.

I know that it is NOT racial. I KNOW IT because my Asian friends have dated black men from Nigeria or other African nations and the West Indies. It is about African-Americans’ aggression or violence against Asians that cause the wariness.

Admiral: Your anger is not helping. Your rants only fuel the racial divisions. The constant stream of Black anger towards Asians on this site does not help.

And regardless, even if 100% of Asian women date and marry White men, it really is non of your business. I personally would never marry a Black-American man. There is just no cultural connection whatsoever. I have dated many white men, but stopped short of marrying because of compatibility and culture. I have dated a black African man, but we shared a religion. In the end, I hope to meet and marry a good Asian man from my background–if I can find one (*cross fingers*)–who will be a good provider.

——-

Sister Toldja:

I cannot answer your one-time curiosity of why East Asian women cross over to white (Indian women rarely do). Case by case, it is more about social exposure–there are more white men around then not in America, obviously.

Compatibility is another reason. White men of a certain background (you will see that Asian women do not date rednecks) come from similar backgrounds to ours: strong family, community, religion, fatherhood, and potential for growth. The white men that some Asian women date have at least a college degree. It fits into the “marry the man who will be the best provider and father” thing we are taught all our lives.

So, we are taught from a young age to marry the best man out there. Love is not part of the social emphasis. Marriage is a union to create the best atmosphere for children. So, because white men (from a certain background) share our general values and they tend to be successful on average, some E. Asians date them. Most E. Asian women date and marry within their communities, though.

About your worry about Asians wanting to date Black men, I have not known of any that have wanted to date Black men, so I don’t know. Human attraction is a strange thing. Love is love, and then there is marriage, where love is irrelevant.

27 07 2008
Muse

Why does anyone care about the opinion of some racist Asian cunt? It’s obvious that this broad is content in her ignorance especially when it comes to Black people. Personally I’m tired of explaining the world of Black folks to non-Blacks. The truth is that this Asian broad is a racist jerk who buys into all the negative stereotypes about Blacks despite having Black friends who prove the statistics she’s quoting wrong. Maybe this Asian chick keeps Negros around for “street cred.” What’s ironic and sad to me is that there are Black folks still associating with this broad even after she has clearly shared her racist views about their people and refuses to open her eyes to see the bigger picture. I’ll be damned if a Non-black gets around me and think its okay to express their racist ideology without getting their asses handed to them. Even my White and other Non-Black friends know better.

27 07 2008
Muse

Proud you completely missed the ball on your post. I started to understand where you were coming from but then I realize that your post is filled with racist propaganda used to demonize Black people. Let me give you a little reality check “Proud.” Not too many folks besides White men share the Asian girl fetish. Not one Black man who posted in this thread indicated that they have a desire to date/marry an Asian woman. I live in LA where interracial dating is common place and I rarely see Black men with Asian women. The Black men I know who date outside of their race don’t desire Asian women. In fact they are at the bottom of the totem poll when it comes to potential mates according to most of my Black male friends. As for Blacks hating/attacking immigrants, the fact that you even bothered to type that crap shows how ignorant you really are when it comes to people. In fact wasn’t it an Asian woman who killed a Black teenager over orange juice a few years ago?

27 07 2008
Jen

Dear Proud:

We are writing to inform you that you are a delusional and psychotic idiot. Contrary to your ill-founded beliefs, beyond passing pangs of empathy and admiration of the breadth of their experiences in our country, we couldn’t care less about Asians. We do not go around killing immigrants. We cannot remember the last time we even heard a local or national news story about one of us killing an Asian immigrant. You are mistaken, and would certainly do well to collaborate this anecdote with hate crime statistics.

To the extent that fear of us has developed internationally, it is because the world is stupid enough to prescribe to stereotypes developed by the very people destroying and oppressing it. For the record, those “people” are not my people.

Additionally, please continue down your path of not dating our men. It would truly pain us to see you spawn one of our children and raise him to be as disgusting as you.

Respectfully requesting that you kindly shut up and die,
Black Americans

27 07 2008
Proud

Muse, please. The posts here are ALL Black hatred of Asians (with some thrown at Persians and West Indians and Ethopians, etc.) and, inevitably, Whites. Your post shows your self absorbed lack of knowledge of other communities.

Also, about Black men and Asian women, it is THIS BLOG that is obsessing about who Asian women date. I am responding to Black people’s obsession with Asians.

Get over yourself.

And calling any woman–ANY WOMAN–“cunt” is unacceptable.

27 07 2008
riz

I have traveled to many countries, and there is a general “knowledge” that immigrants need to stay away from Blacks because Blacks hate immigrants and will kill them. Every single incident of Blacks killing or beating up immigrants are published overseas, so there is a lot of fear. I think justifiably so. Anyway, I have heard these statements all over the world. It’s not Asian communities–it is most immigrant communities in America. It is a “common knowledge” that we will be killed by Blacks because they hate us.

That made me laugh out loud.

As someone said before, “What’s your denominator?” How many killings committed by other races, including Asians, are posted all over the entire world? I ask Proud because she claims to be omniscient on the subject of the entire immigrant community (btw, what does “immigrant community” even mean? What country are you talking about?).

If we just put aside past and present social conditions of the Black community wherein immigrants have targeted Black people as means to distance themselves from being associated with “minorities,” we can look at how that cited comment perfectly proves what Chris talked about in the post: Ignorant people cite b*llshit statistics to justify their ignorance.

And don’t you love how other races assume that Blacks have not traveled or experienced any other race but Black? Like our opinions have no merit and that we haven’t seen enough of the world?

I’d like to see a roll call of all the places in the world that we, as a community, have visited in our lifetimes; of the different races that we have amongst our associates.

Here’s an inside scoop for the non-Black lurkers amongst us: Black people are afropologists– by virtue of our numbers in the population, we interact with other races far more frequently than they interact with us. We know what we’re talking about, even if opinions differ amongst us.

For that reason, I don’t care what Proud (or someone like her) has to say. I will not justify my existence to some uninformed stranger, and I won’t become an audience for those same old stereotypes used against my people, because I deal in facts, not fiction.

27 07 2008
Janus

Here is where I put in my lil 2 cents… I like it how people from these non-Black races come over to this site and decide its time to stand up for their race and decide that the best way to do this is by using alot of negative stereotypes and inaccurate statistics to try to put down black people while elevating their supposedly superior race.

It amazes me how they always know whats wrong with black people (yes because we all think and behave exactly alike) and feel the need to point it out because we are so blinded and stupid in our inferiority. What were we called again? Oh yes the White Man’s Burden.

@ Proud – Let me put it simply, this blog is rooted in what we intelligent folks call satire. That means its supposed to be funny but not taken seriously (yes i know some things were lost in the language barrier but try to keep up). SO don’t get your flat assed panties in a bunch cause u read something that you didn’t like about Asians and decide to take it out on Black people in general. Secondly, you’re responding to black people’s obsession with asians? BITCH PLEEEEEEEEEEASE!!!! Get over yourself. The day I like some ugly, pancake assed, flat chested, no rhythm, short ass bitches I pray that somebody puts a bullet through my head.

How about we talk about when I went to China and while standing up minding my business, a random dirty Chinese woman is goin to first stare at me and then decide to come over and without asking begin to rub my skin to see if my colour would rub off… yes I’ll let that sink it for a bit… and then the bitch act surprised when I flip the fuck out. Mind you, this was not a one off experience, the staring became commonplace and over 3/4 of the ppl I walked past had clearly never seen a black person in real life.

I am not even gonna touch anymore of your posts because apart from making me angry they are so full of shit and I dont do sewers. Why don’t you just log off and go and find a white man to fuck so you can feel accomplished in life?

Are you Michelle Malkin in disguise?

27 07 2008
Janus

Oh let me rephrase that… I couldnt give a fuck what Asian women do or who they date… y’all could go and jump off bridges in droves and I would not bat an eyelid. So please go and fuck Tom, Dick and Harry and know that I, as a black man will NOT give a fuck.

Proud – U better step and keep on stepping b4 u get two fuck yous and a rassole (yes that is a word and not a typo)

And please Chris, do not EVER do a post about West Indians. Black people can’t hate other black people lol.

27 07 2008
puff

@ proud

1) especially in Africa, we’re very afraid of the african-american population who come all the way from the US to come and beat us up. then go to various european countries to go beat up the african immigrants there. then come back here and beat up the asians making fake dvds and cds too.

2) i have also noticed that black people, whether american, carribean or not, myself included, have no respect for the values of “strong family, community, religion, fatherhood, and potential for growth”.

in summary, we – all people of negro descent except the african with which you had a deep spiritual communion – suck, and i apologise that you had no alternative than to let us know through your comments which gave such deep insight into the mind of the asian-american woman.

p.s. you wouldn’t happen to be the chick chris addresses in the post, would you?

27 07 2008
puff

also co-signing on janus’ comment… leave out africans too. even if a nigerian scammer tries to 419 you 🙂

27 07 2008
Proud

Okay, fair enough — the anger directed at me is legitimate. I used stereotypes in my comments, for sure. Are they offensive? Yes. Also, is the Asian-bashing on this site offensive? Yes. Is any of it right? No.

@ riz : did you notice how I put common “knowledge” about Black violence in quotation marks? That means that I have personally heard this sentiment from many people, but that doesn’t mean that the knowledge is accurate.

Are there statistics out there being used to reflect Black people poorly? Absolutely. Just the media treatment of Obama shows how viciously racist media is. Does the media also portray Asians as crafty, evil, foreign, nerdy, sexless, etc.? Yes. We are all vilified. We are all living in a country that is using and manipulating us all.

In my comments, I was responding exclusively to Chris, who is publicly vilifying his Asian friend for defending white people. He is subjecting the woman to public denouncement and mockery, when as a friend, he should talk to her and work things out — or not. His hatred for her is not based on her defending whites, it is based on the fact that she is Asian and is defending white people. There is a specific obsession (anger? hatred? attraction?) with Chris and Asians.

Chris also uses one or two examples from his interactions with one or two Asian friends and then opens this blog up to reprehensible racial attacks on groups of people. Based on the traffic here, it is obvious that Chris knows exactly what he is doing.

I was also responding to Admiral who wished Asian women who date white men would die. That is pretty obsessive.

Finally, Chris’s entries are not satire. Satire is over-the-top exaggeration, enough to appear absurd. His are just mean-spirited appeals to hatred. I contributed to that hatred, and I do feel sorry for that.

27 07 2008
Angry IV

@Proud – if you’re getting all excited about this blog – and taking yourself and the entire world far too seriously – I would suggest that you click here.

27 07 2008
Angry IV

And ST – highly disappointed!

27 07 2008
rai

damn sure not reading all of this. . . but on skimming through it, I caught something about blacks hating immigrants and will kill them. . .

there ya’ll go listening to what the white media is telling you to believe. its weird how chinese immigrants want americans to know more about the chinese other than they love rice and math, how mexican immigrants want americans to know more about the mexicans outside of they like to steal jobs and sneak across the border, how african immigrants want americans to know more about africans (which i am well aware is a CONTINENT and NOT a country, so to say all africans are one way is the definition of absurd) outside they have AIDS and like to chase cheetehs and chuck spears. . .

so u want americans (specifically black americans) to look past the media and educate themselves, but it is okay for you immigrants to use “The Wire” and “106 & Park” to determine how black americans are? dumbasses.

and to proud’s:
Finally, Chris’s entries are not satire. Satire is over-the-top exaggeration, enough to appear absurd. His are just mean-spirited appeals to hatred. I contributed to that hatred, and I do feel sorry for that.

u mean to tell me that portraying his asian FRIEND as the last samurai isn’t a satire????????????? u mean to tell me that is not over the top??? lol real talk, get your panties out of a bunch. . . chris’ looney ass talks about EVERYONE!!! if u can’t laugh at yourself, u shouldn’t laugh at anyone else. im certain you have read more entries than just this one, so u have to know, everyone from gum popping ghetto black government payroll clerk cougars to pale ass yuppie white trust fund talentless brats will be made fun of, & every shade and socioeconomic status in between. thongs out of bunch and out of your feelings, please and thank you. oh also, for you to say/admit to you saying out of hand things in comments and then to call chris’ similar statements unacceptable, ummmm hypocritical to say the least sugar.

27 07 2008
Jen

Proud! You fucktard! If you can’t read these posts and [most] of these comments and recognize them as over-the-top in their characterizations of various groups of people, then I truly pity you. That just indicates how skewed your perspective of the world is.

I mean, come the fuck on. Do you really think AF literally wishes that Asian women who date white men would die? Do you think those are his actual and sincerest wishes? Or do you think that he was expressing his distaste with the sort of cultural pathology which would lead to a 40+ percent exogamy rate? (I know you say this abandonment of Asian men by Asian women is a result of deep “cultural connections” between Asians and whites, but I don’t buy it. I wish you luck when your white husband tries to put your children’s porpor in a home.)

WTF is even the purpose of your last comment? Is this your sad ass attempt at redemption, having revealed how genuinely ignorant you are? Just stop. Step away from your keypad and have someone block this site from your access if need be. Your stupidity is breaking my heart and is actively destroying America’s “positive stereotype” of the intelligent Asian.

You know, scratch that. I’ll try to be positive. Keep spewing your idiocy across the interwebs. Maybe that is a good thing. Maybe your painfully stupid posting will slow the the new white flight from Asianing communities. Let’s hope that your stupidity will do what your people’s cultural connection with white America has not: realize your dreams and finally make you one.

27 07 2008
rai

lol!!!!!!!!!!!! welp, janus said his panties were in a bunch too. oops.

27 07 2008
rai

sidenote: to say that killing is commonplace in the black american community doesn’t much compare to folks in china killing their baby daughters because they, as females, have no value. the day someone tells me to take my daughter into the mountains/woods/etc and leave her alone to starve and/or get eaten is the day I get the hell out of dodge. that is NOT a place I would want to be. asian chicks like to fawk white men, just like black guys like to fawk white girls. . . it’s borderline fact at this point. and I hope u don’t think because as one asian chick u don’t like white meat that that excuses the multitude that does. lls

another thing, don’t try that morals, good background, etc shyt with me. . . I know the deal. people date/drink/suck/fawk whatever they want in college. . . u can’t convince me that the cute little jap chick in my econ class is dating ryan because she likes his family. lls. pussy is pussy is pussy. broads out here that are getting dick and/or dick offers on a consistent basis have GOT to stop thinking they are the chosen ones. lol. EVERYONE is getting fawked. EVERYONE can’t be awesome super amazing special chosen people. lol. people fawk what they are around.

27 07 2008
Admiral Furious

I’d like to focus on the conversation that pissed Chris, and me for that matter, off so much that this post came to life. Chris made light of the fact that white people brought STDs (for common folk) to this country… as well as MOST of the other diseases that are in existence today; I’ll give the example of small pox and measles. Why did the defending party (a person who made claim that asian people bind with whites because they believe that they are the superior race and asians come a close second) decide to respond with a comment “Well 70% of the blacks in Baltimore have STDs?” That retorting comment was irrelevant on many different levels. What does the black race have to do with the fact that White people brought plague infested blankets over to this country and distributed them to Native Americans (possibly intentionally) thus infecting hoards of people.

With that said, I think that this post is driven not only by the fact that she decided to defend the whites, but negatively retort with a skewed statistic that is commonly reported to “scare” white people from mating with blacks.

Again, I hope the offender sees these comments and sees who’s writing them.

27 07 2008
rai

lol! basically! my thing is, u expect white people (who run the media) to use that media to say “we are nasty”, “we killed hundreds of thousands”, “those of us that left europe, were not the nobles, the wealthy, or the cleanest bunch. we were the ones that were society’s outcasts”. . . do ya’ll expect the white media to say “we are gross, and are to blame for most of the ills of the new world”. . . shyt ain’t gonna happen. so they have to point the finger at someone else. . . and fact is that countries/areas that haven’t been touched by imperialism/colonialism do NOT have widespread diseases of epic proportions. this goes without saying because people aren’t the ONLY things that travel on ships to new locations. uneducated and dirty, they brought over their rodents, their diseases, etc. one or two mosquitos that wouldn’t have lived long enough to reproduce in the a place with a cold dry climate, have a fawkin field day if they make it to hot, wet, muggy climate. so a disease that never really had the chance to jump off in europe, gets the chance to flourish in the temperant climates on the east coast, hot climate of westen africa, and the muggy warm waters of central and south america.

27 07 2008
rai

also, I wanted to add I love chris and the people that frequent this blog. I don’t know ya’ll from a can of paint, but ya’ll get more through work, and for that, i thank you. no seriously, i love ya’ll. fawktards, angry asians, racist monkies, and whores alike.

27 07 2008
riz

u mean to tell me that portraying his asian FRIEND as the last samurai isn’t a satire?????????????

LOL! That was actually my favorite part of the post. I wanted to put that pic and the caption on my FB profile, but it wouldn’t work out of context.

I’ve decided that I like trolls, for the same reason that other races like Blacks– they lets us bond over what we have in common and what we are *not*.

….Although, I do wish there was a way to just make them go away, after they get annoying… You know, like singing singing “Na na na na….. Hey Hey… Goodbye….” until they hang their head in shame and walk away. Funny thing is that they’re are all emboldened on the internet, but you KNOW that in real life, they wouldn’t be saying half of this mess. In fact, I’m guessing that they would stfu with one sideways glance.

We need an online “Showtime at the Apollo” hook or something.

27 07 2008
Tea

“I know for a fact that Asians face the most physical and verbal abuse in America from blacks–mostly from women, but also men. We get harassed, called names, and worse. No other race here in this country treats us the way you guys do. AND we talk about that amongst us. And this is not just within Asian communities. We have this talk among immigrant communities in general.

I have traveled to many countries, and there is a general “knowledge” that immigrants need to stay away from Blacks because Blacks hate immigrants and will kill them. Every single incident of Blacks killing or beating up immigrants are published overseas, so there is a lot of fear. I think justifiably so. Anyway, I have heard these statements all over the world. It’s not Asian communities–it is most immigrant communities in America. It is a “common knowledge” that we will be killed by Blacks because they hate us.”

Proud, you cannot be serious about this statement. Immigrants have no problem coming into our communities and establishing businesses. Many of these businesses last for generations. I’m sure if the abuse was so unbearable these people would be long gone.

Look at the communties in which poor immigrants find themselves, they are right along side poor blacks who physically and verbally abusing one another, so you know immigrants aren’t going to be exempt from that abuse. As a matter of fact they may be more vunerable because some do not speak english or may not be legal citizens and are reluctant to go to the police.

27 07 2008
riz

… AND ANOTHER THING…. (I’m all arguing a point that’s over)….

Chris makes fun of EVERYBODY!!!!!!! He’s posted some things that irritated me (ahem, I still hate the term EBP and prefer to use Pretentious Black People). But I didn’t take it as a personal offense, nor did I feel the need to come Last Samurai-ing to the defense of lawyers or single Black women or any of the other categories that could possibly apply to me.

Why do ppl of other races come on here and expect to be given special treatment? I think other races (Asian, Persian and white) are kind of surprised to see anything bad written about them. Honestly, deep in my heart, I believe that other races have internalized the Hater defense so much that they think that all Black people want to be them. They think that any distaste for them is because we are jealous, or that we can’t do the things they do. They don’t realize that no, we just don’t support certain practices.

I’m not gonna lie, I went through the phase of trying to prove to white people that I can do anything that they can, and do it better. I dated the richest white guys, hung out with the most exclusive white girls, went to their white inner circle dinner parties and all that. It wasn’t that I wanted to distance myself from Black culture. At no point did I ever pretend to be colorblind, or become a white apologist (although my Black friends were sure that they had lost me). But really, on a subconscious level, I just wanted to humble that community, wanted to show them that their whiteness meant nothing to me, and that I was not intimidated by it.

It worked.

I learned a lot about white people in those days, and I learned alot about the other ethnic minorities who tried to latch on to them… That’s why I can talk so much mess; I lived it. And I came home with stories to tell… Perhaps I’ll write a book: Heart of Whiteness.

27 07 2008
Get Togetha

Great Post! Here’s my $0.02 cent:

You can’t expect the “culture of power” to empower you through the medium of television. Ain’t ever and won’t ever happen. It’s not their job or in their best interest to.

Skewed statistics are a defining horror. Numbers are fudged and skewered over a bed of lies. There’s this constant trick bag of “white folks” being the defining standard for doing well and I think that’s a lot of bullshit; particularly since “white folks” have had a four hundred year head-start. All it takes is a basic history lesson. Quite frankly they are not all that to be measured against. All you’ve got to do is point your finger to the WB and watch “Jerry Springer.”

Soledad would have never been able to make a documentary if she couldn’t shine and bath us in the light and ego of White America’s expectations.

http://www.gettogetha.com/blog/

27 07 2008
Admiral Furious

Funny Tea… many people will say the exact opposite. Considering the entire world is for the demise of black people, I think your statement is false.

27 07 2008
Tea

Oh and as for your question:

“WHY ARE BLACK PEOPLE SO OBSESSED WITH ASIANS?”

Asian women are a novelty. My brothers have tried a couple of Asians. It really wasn’t their thing… Not enough T & A. Nice girls though

27 07 2008
Admiral Furious

My bad Tea… I read what you quoted…. and responded to you. That was meant for Proud.

27 07 2008
Tea

What’s false about it?
There are many immigrant businesses in our communities (At least in NYC).

I don’t mean that these immigrants live in our communites, some do, but for the most part they will establish businesses there.

27 07 2008
Tea

oh ok, disregard what I just posted

27 07 2008
dtang

I LOVE THIS SHIT!

please feed, racism tasty.

27 07 2008
Muse

Proud,

You obviously don’t know who you are talking because my family is West Indian/Caribbean, two I’ve lived in another country for several months, three I’m extremely well traveled and in fact I’m off the first week of August to travel around Egypt. So your baseless assumption about me needing to get some “culture” is laughable. In fact my dear, I might be able to educate your narrow minded self on a few lessons regarding people. The fact that you had the audacity to quote some untrue statistics about immigrants and Black people killing them is highly insulting. Your statement forces me to assume that you are uneducated female raised to be ignorant and stupid.

BTW if you are so offended by what Chris has to say about Asians then why the hell do you read this blog? You obviously don’t get that he is speaking from his own life experiences using satire. If you bothered to check out other post he has made fun of Black people, Persians, whites, retards, fat people, lazy people, dumb people, aliens, etc. So basically it’s okay for Chris to make fun of Black people but God forbid if he wants to comment on how some of the Asian folks in his life have racist views? Your mom should have spit.

Oh and I want to call another female a cunt, then that is my right to do so, CUNT.

27 07 2008
Kit (Keep It Trill)

The comments are distracting but I liked the post.

27 07 2008
Angry IV

Muse with the knockout blow!

I found a picture of Proud with what appears to possibly be (but she couldn’t tell because of her blindness) a Black tourist attempting to steal from her.

27 07 2008
Angry IV

Also of note, the thief in the picture is clearly not Black. 🙂

27 07 2008
Sister Toldja

Why are everyone’s comments so long? I cant and won’t!

AF- 1) I think your posts are always interesting, but I never can get through them all because they are usually longer than the blog itself. And by the time I jumped in here, you had taken to name calling. Did I defend you? No, but I explained how one could have misinterpred you.

This is NOT a great example of the rift between Black women and men. For one, sisters defend brothers all of the time. Two- if I waited around for a Black man to defend me (in real life or on the internet), I’d be waiting forever. I think the fact that we go straight to name calling (and calling a sister something as lowly as a pig) is more telling.

27 07 2008
Sister Toldja

rai- “my thing is, u expect white people (who run the media) to use that media to say “we are nasty”, “we killed hundreds of thousands”, “those of us that left europe, were not the nobles, the wealthy, or the cleanest bunch. we were the ones that were society’s outcasts”. . . do ya’ll expect the white media to say “we are gross, and are to blame for most of the ills of the new world”.

LMFAOOOOOOOOO!!!

27 07 2008
LeNoir

Thank you so much for this. Twisted Statistics = Propaganda. i will def include this in my blog about the so called “Black In America” doc. Check me out…

http://blackgirloncampus.blogspot.com/

27 07 2008
Sister Toldja

Unlike Muse, I see a lot of Brothers with Asian women. Not as many as I see with Black women or with White ones, but I see it fairly regularly. I have heard a lot of stories as of late about ignorant Asian women like the one Chris describes. What in the fuck is wrong with Black men? What in the fuck is wrong with Black women that idiots like that can be more appealing to them than us? I asked CNN to explain, but they couldn’t tell me.

I scanned Proud’s absurd comments, and I don’t even have anything to say. Hopefully, her ovaries will fail her as much as her brain has. This is why I date Black and why my children will be encouraged with the threat of death if they disobey to do the same. If we gonna be fucked up, let’s be fucked up together. No need to bring other folks in to the mix.

27 07 2008
Muse

As I stated before I’m so over these Non-Black cunts coming on this board and in real life telling me why Black people aren’t worth a damn. I swear on the souls of my ancestors I might end up catching a case one of these days. What’s so messed up is that Black people sit back and allow these jerks to talk crap about their people. Black people are getting trashed in society and folks are sitting back accepting the abuse. We need to take a lesson from the Jews. They don’t allow folks to walk over them or disrespect their people without severe consequences. If anyone says anything remotely anti-Semitic that individual will probably get blacklisted from their industry and they will be publicly ostracized to the point where they go into hiding. Black folks need to take on that mentality and have a zero tolerance mentality when it comes to other group spreading racist propaganda about our people.

27 07 2008
Knatural

Wow. I need to visit on the weekends more often.

27 07 2008
Muse

http://stuffgodhates.wordpress.com/2008/05/14/21-asia/

LMAO apparently God hates Asia. Oh lord…the stuff folks hate/love/like is hilarious.

27 07 2008
riz

Yeah, my comments are long because I’m in overly analytic mode from writing essays all day… Also, my long comments tend to be directed at the randoms and lurkers who are up here trying to make an irrelevant point. Since all of *US* share a similar understanding, there’s usually no need to go into that detail.

That’s why they slow things down and piss me off.

27 07 2008
riz

@Muse,

Co-sign. It’s funny that Jewish people don’t get backlash for speaking up for themselves. If you do anything to minimize the holocaust, you will be burned at the stake. But if we dare point out that that slavery, segregation, or the criminal justice system still affects our people to this day, then all we get is the eye-roll, and ye olde bootstraps argument. It’s always our fault.

Maybe that’s because white guilt is just too much for the modern-day Cauc who listens to hip-hop or has a black “best friend.” The holocaust happened in another country, so Americans can say “Those Germans” did it. But all of our stuff is happening here and now, at the hands of their grandparents and uncles and such. They can’t point the finger to their own internal privilege.

27 07 2008
ninasimone

“Ninasimone, you’re a pig and I mean that literally. If you knew anything about me, you’d see that I’ve been on this site saying the same thing for a long time. Go back to the sty and stuff your face.”

a pig? thats a first lol…and thanks for not disappointing me though. Nothing in my post was an insult to youby the way …questions and sarcasm…i dont think i called you single name but i understand that at your level of intellect that is probably the easiest route to go…my admittedly snarky questions obviously upset you enough to call me a pig ( confused???)) ..so you should think about that …if it doesnt hurt to much to think that is:-)

thanks, ST…ive seen that person’s name before but i never read thru every one of the hundreds of posts so its likely that I “dont know” whatever it is I should…still that post of his is hilarious.

A black man (?) calling me a pig because I question his annoyance over asian women dating white men. I am befuddled (is that a real word?)

27 07 2008
Rosie

@ Proud

Although I PROFOUNDLY disagree with your characterization of violence against Asians by blacks, I’d like to engage in the actual facts on the ground. The chances of immigrants being physically attacked purely because of their status as Asians or immigrants – is NOT EVEN CLOSE when looking at the behavior of blacks versus native-born whites.

First, if you actually pay attention to acts of violence against immigrants abroad, they are CONSISTENTLY led by natives – Italians attacking Romanians, or anti-Chinese protests in S.E. Asia, or Saudis abusing their Filipina maids, or Neo-Nazis (who are by definition NOT black) attacking, well, anybody.

Second, if you look at the politics and public discourse around immigration in Europe specifically, the “bogeyman” minorities are now Muslims, NOT black immigrants. In Western Europe, Muslims are now the lowest caste, and the ones natives fear the most.

Which means that if by “abroad” you mean Europe, Asians SHOULD fear native whites, and native whites are actually more likely to fear Muslims than any other group. And if you mean Asia, well, I don’t think there are too many blacks running around Malaysia or other neighboring countries. So nothing you’re saying makes sense in this context.

Third, the worst situation that many Asian immigrants find themselves in is the threat of violence or coercion from OTHER ASIANS who brought them to the host country in the first place.

Finally, to bring it back to the US, it is actually amazing that there is not MORE violence against immigrants (across groups) by blacks because they often compete in the same sectors of the labor market (a situation that historically led to tremendous violence against immigrants by nativist whites). Today, ask any right-wing nut, and they will be amazed that blacks actually SUPPORT immigrants rights more than other native-born groups – perhaps it has something to do with what is perceived as a common history of exploitation in industrialized countries. And as for attacks on Asians in inner-city communities (and yes there is friction, but I don’t think people should be fearing pogroms), I’m willing to guess if you actually looked at crime data, violence would be better explained by economic or neighborhood effects, rather than race.

Basically, I think the fear that people are supposedly expressing is both misplaced and irrational, and is unfortunately used to justify stereotypes and racist behavior that are generally unfounded.

27 07 2008
Rosie

Jesus that was long…sorry.

27 07 2008
ninasimone

though i already responded rather nastily to the one calling me a pig…i just went back to read Admiral Furious’ other post…i have no problem with you correcting me if you feel my questions were out of line..

but I think it is a bit much to expect someone to search for and read ALL Of your posts before responding to and assuming (in a questioning manner) certain ideas regarding your comments. Your current dating of a black woman does not nullify my questions, i dont think. i included in my op that you probably date the rainbow as is common these days.

and have u read any of my posts..probably not..so my two posts make me a pig…isnt that the same thing you’re accusing me of?

what i am i now…”n*****b*****? C***?

27 07 2008
riz

WHERE IS THE APOLLO HOOK?????

27 07 2008
ninasimone

“I know for a fact that Asians face the most physical and verbal abuse in America from blacks–mostly from women, but also men. We get harassed, called names, and worse. No other race here in this country treats us the way you guys do. AND we talk about that amongst us. And this is not just within Asian communities. We have this talk among immigrant communities in general. ”

delusional is not the word.

jen and muse and ST…….co-sign!

*my last post to AF was completely unneccesary…it was the shock

27 07 2008
joy

@Proud:

“I know for a fact that Asians face the most physical and verbal abuse in America from blacks–mostly from women, but also men. We get harassed, called names, and worse. No other race here in this country treats us the way you guys do. AND we talk about that amongst us. And this is not just within Asian communities. We have this talk among immigrant communities in general.”

Ditto what Muse already had to say. I’m in So Cal too, and in fact, the harassment you’re talking about is vice versa. Many Asian immigrants come into predominately Black communities and open small businesses. When Blacks patronize the shops, they are routinely subjected to harassing behavior — being followed, accused of stealing, etc. For more context, feel free to Google the story of Latasha Harlins (the girl who was shot in the head by a Korean shop owner because she thought Harlins was trying to steal some OJ).

By the way, citing census reports that date back for 100 years harkens back to the main point of this blog entry — statistics that are used deceptively to prove a point. How common do you think interracial marriage was back in 1908 for ANY groups??? FACT: According to a sampling of marriage records in San Francisco County (a county with a high population of Asians)conducted within the last 20 years, Asian women married White men four times more often than Asian men married White women. Moreover, when the study moved to Sacramento, the number jumps to eight times more often.

27 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

oh the hilarity. Where is lolo? Lolo I miss you mommy…

AF, though I don’t want to bring this back up, I need to ask. Do you have Air Conditioning*?

Troll food: people talk about the people they hang out with. A lot of Asian friends means a lot of asian comments. Not obsession

When Chris gets to the hating on africans I’mma get mad ignorant on some Nigerians. Every Femi, Kemi, Olu, Bola, Tolu, Bimbol, Ibrahim and Ezekial will think I hate rice and stew Africans but mostly I’ll be spouting some bs I say to my friends all the time. all in love.

Oh and he will get to you seapeople too. Just wait your turn. And black americans will get somebody riled by calling you seapeople. Its all love though baby.

*why am i asking: You just seem a trifle irritable every time you type. But then again, if you weren’t irritable why would you take time out of your happy-go-lucky day to type on this blog. Plus if I knew an Asian person who was a white person defender i’d be pissy too. But I still want to know. If you also don’t have A/C and live in VA I think I may have to send you a pie. With a smiley face on it. Pies make everyone feel better

28 07 2008
Laurel

Please, please don’t do it. West Indians CANNOT tolerate criticism, satire or not. We just can’t. Can’t.

28 07 2008
imaG

niggers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

28 07 2008
Bajan Girl

‘Wow. I need to visit on the weekends more often.”

I second that. Apparently things get very interesting on the weekends.

And just for the hell of it… satire

28 07 2008
Sister Toldja

It’s fantastic how the fuckedupness of Black folks is water cooler fodder for the world, but when we look at folks of other minority races, it’s like “whoa there, not US!”. Please, how many of y’all have known an Asian person who would give their souls to be White?* A friend was just telling me about an Asian (Korean, I think) girl she works with who HATES Asians. All her friends are White, her fiancee is White, she feels culturally White. And she sees no problem expressing these thoughts 1) aloud and 2) to a Black girl.

But this, is none of our beeswax, right? Fuck if it’s my top concern, but if we get to be on the CNN looking crazy. then I want to see “Asian In America”!

*- And yes, we have known Negroes with the same affliction.

28 07 2008
Laurel

The statistics about the number of Asian-American women marrying out have to be wrong. It’s unfathomable to me how a group of women could be so disloyal. Are Asian men really, really horrible? I mean, what is the reason for this? I don’t seriously care but I’m intrigued.
I think Asian men and black women should start getting together to create a master race of super-intelligent, assertive, hard-working people with great asses.
*LOLlerskates*

28 07 2008
letinstar

when is the “whites in america” series coming out? stats states that 99% of americans knows about black folks already…

28 07 2008
joy

@Laurel – “I think Asian men and black women should start getting together to create a master race of super-intelligent, assertive, hard-working people with great asses.”

LMFAO!!! The study points to something they call “hiergamy” on the part of White men and Asian women. That is, in marriage, people try to maximize status opportunities and a sense of wholeness within the context of a stratified society. Thus, given the choice between an educated White man (who have social status and economic viability) and an educated Asian man (who have a high level of economic clout, but less social standing), many Asian women choose the former. This probably has something to do with those Black folks who disclaim their Blackness in an effort to be/appear/seem more White, like ST talks about in her last post.

@Letinstar – If there was a “White in America” special on, I’m sure about 97.8% of it would piss me off enough to go from promising future law student to Black-Person-in-Prison Statistic. It would probably sound something like, “We don’t have a WET and ‘they’ have BET/there’s no White History Month/Affirmative Action steals spots from my poor cousin’s husband’s uncle’s daughter in Kentucky/I actually can dance and have rhythm”

28 07 2008
Justin

ROFL @ “I think Asian men and black women should start getting together to create a master race of super-intelligent, assertive, hard-working people with great asses.”

28 07 2008
MiracleMax

Have you been watching Black in America on CNN? I feel it gives a very actuate portrayal of black life in america. It shows many facets of black life and how it developed throughout time in america. One of the most noticeable facts while watching this show (though I already knew about it) was large disproportionate amounts of fatherless children. I believe it was 60% of black children live without there father. While we know black women are certainly able to take care of a child by themselves, i think the lack of commitment by black men, and the self empowerment of black women have played a large role. But this also isnt new, it is a part of black society, and has been for many generations. In Black in America it made it very clear that the successful black americans had either a two parent household, or many father figures in their lives. It also showed that racism plays a role in the black community among blacks themselves. The sad realization of the program was that the successful black people usually had light skin or were “yellow blacks” and the ones in jail, or the ones with multiple children from many different women and would not play a major role in their childrens lives, usually had dark skin. It also told about that while white children in highschool were more popular with higher grades, black people were much less popular with higher grades, so they would dumb themselves down for popularity and acceptance (probably not enough acceptance at home with one parent?), and act out the stereotype. Whether you like Obama or not, and I dont love him, you cant deny what he will do to help the black communities mentality when he is president, and I have no doubt that he will win. Children will see what they can accomplish with hard work (whether obama worked that hard in the legislature is another story lol, but he did work hard in school) and determination will get. Black children soon wont think that they cant be the most powerful person in the world (well the light skinned black kids wont anyway lol). The black community wont change overnight, but it will dramatically change once he is president, and thinking with an economic point of view, this change should be great for our economy and will increase the amount of professionals in america. It would also help america compete in the global market of the many professionals coming out of india and china. While I dont completely trust obama, and he flips flops a tad, I do think (hopefully) that he will do a pretty good job, and restore alot of our dignity with the rest of world. Blacks in america will be changing come november 2.

28 07 2008
MiracleMax

accurate*

28 07 2008
puff

@ wnbt bwahahahahahahahahaha im so mad you said rice and stew… fuck it, i’m hungry now 😦

28 07 2008
puff

@ laurel – i think if black women and asian men got together, that ish would work out a lot better… i’m just saying.

28 07 2008
chaoticdiva

@ puff: I dated an asian guy and I couldn’t get past the fact he was shorter than I (dude, I’m 5’5″). He also went to the University of Michigan, which killed his chances of me ever taking him seriously, being that I’m a Spartan girl.

(actually, we just didn’t have shit in common)

@ the article….pfft. I would just politely ask her to [as a female:] fix eyebrow and do nail or [as a guy:] love me long time.

28 07 2008
chaoticdiva

Oh, and hello everybody. I didn’t read any posts before Puffs, and I’m back.

28 07 2008
Vanita

Good Morning everyone!!!

I’ll date an asian man if I can find one who is a.) taller than me and b.) has some MEAT on him.

28 07 2008
Jen

I would holler at an Asian man, too. I had a disproportionate number of Asian girlfriends growing up, and I think that middle class Black people and middle class Asian people have highly complementary value systems. The Black/Asian kids I knew really were superchildren.

“white children in highschool were more popular with higher grades, black people were much less popular with higher grades, so they would dumb themselves down for popularity and acceptance…”

This here is some DAMN BULLSHIT. It rubbed me the wrong way that CNN would perpetuate this ridiculous, white MYTH.

28 07 2008
Amadeo

@ Riz

Maybe that’s because white guilt is just too much for the modern-day Cauc who listens to hip-hop or has a black “best friend.” The holocaust happened in another country, so Americans can say “Those Germans” did it. But all of our stuff is happening here and now, at the hands of their grandparents and uncles and such. They can’t point the finger to their own internal privilege.

You, my dear, get a gold star. Everytime I get into a debate with a white person about these issues they normally revert to, “why should I suffer for what my ancestors did?”

The same reason Germans will put one of their own on trial for denying the holocaust. The same reason Australia apologized to aborignies (hate that name). People love to point out an injustice from afar, but no one wants to admit they were wrong…even in a historical perspective. I was watch a Paul Mooney stand up and he mentioned commercials in Cali bitching about Native Casinos and how they don’t pay taxes. Really??? All the shit they went through as the originals in this land and Casinos are around for a little bit before folks start bitching? Because it’s their history. The same way Americans as a whole go crazy when you tell them the CIA trained the Taliban. Meanwhile people didn’t want to see an all black NCAA team when my mother was a teenager. Slavery ended a while a go, but people sure do act like the 60’s were centuries ago.

28 07 2008
Vanita

@ Jen – yes i was soo mad at that too!! I had very high grades in HS because of my IB classes, and I was popular because of it (mostly because people wanted to copy my homework etc.), and I would NEVER dumb myself down. In fact, in high school i was encouraged by the other black kids to do well. While some were ignorant, MOST did encourage me.

My boyfriend kept asking me why I was watching the show. He said its nothing that I dont know already as a black female. I watched the show to see how black people were being portrayed, and if there were any solutions(of course the latter was VERY high hopes, wishes and dreams). And although some of the items discussed in the piece might have hurt to be brought forth in to the limelight, I think (hope) they are items that will be address. It things like this that make me want to work on the campaign trail…

28 07 2008
Knatural

Hi. Jenn – though, overall, I was disappointed with the CNN special, I don’t think the phenomenon of Blacks ‘playing dumb’ for the sake of social acceptance is a myth. Especially, in the so-called inner city.
I was a smart kid, attended DC Public Schools until the last two years of high school, and I noticed a marked difference in how some Black kids reacted to my grades. At times I would down play my knowledge of the curriculum.

28 07 2008
Vanita

yea, so i clearly didnt proof read my post, sry, but I hope y’all get the point…

28 07 2008
Omar

@Amadeo – “why should I suffer for what my ancestors did?”

I am still confused about what suffering white people go through just because they are white, what they mad because they can’t call black people niggers anymore without people getting mad, BOO HOO, poor them…

28 07 2008
Knatural

AHAHAHAHAH…What’s better than the “why should I suffer for what my ancestors did” excuse is the “my ancestors didn’t even own slaves” excuse; as if that means their family hasn’t reaped the benefits of institutional/legal racism.

28 07 2008
Amadeo

Riz’s comment and this “my ancestors didn’t even own slaves” are why Crash was the worst movie ever. Having every one be racist doesn’t cover white supremacy/institutionalized racism. I’m pretty sure no Native’s were in it because white people are still thinking about how to flip that.

“Um….Casinos! Yeah, they contribute to Americas gambling issues…yeah!!!!”

No one ever talks about how America got to be so powerful…hundreds of years of a workforce you just have to keep alive does help you become the richest/youngest nation in the world. Then I love when Irish people bitch…I normally use them as the example of how America has always hated…anyone. But they come with…”We were hated to and we got over it.”

NO, you rose on our demise…that’s how America works…just find a new kid to pick on and the last one get’s to go about his business.

28 07 2008
Knatural

Amadeo – I heart you. I ws thinking about the Irish. Drunk Bastards. Or Eastern Europeans. You’re still White. Stupid.

28 07 2008
chaoticdiva

@ Jen, Vanita…funny how the popular black kids were in all of the AP Physics and Calc classes…despite their stupidity that befell them later on…(long story)

So yea, I’m back, and I’m realizing the value of a non-pretty man simply because of all the questionable men I ran into in Atlanta.

This GORGEOUS puerto rican dude I was flirting/dancing (the drunken salsa) with made me want to cry because he was coming off as GAY. He didn’t even flirt back. Smh.

28 07 2008
chaoticdiva

…another sad thing in our history is the fact that in some places, blacks passing for white and native americans owned slaves.

…this information is not a fallacy, simply because those loseresque brown people that did that were indeed my relatives. How the hell do you think they own so much land in W. Va?

It is sad, and I can at least say my family has since disowned those relatives…

28 07 2008
aceklub

@ Jen
Dumbing down high academic grades is something that is definitely prevalent in the black community, especially if you go to a “regular” public school. This is especially true among Black boys. I see it all the time with the high school students I work with and I had that experience personally. When I was in middle school, I had to mindful to not trying to be the know-it-all in class as I was accustomed to doing in elementary school. People would know I got good grades but never would put it out there. Also, I think b/c I played sports it made up for it and thus wasn’t seen as the corny nerd. This was something I was aware of and the need to be accepted was important at the time. But I knew that my pops had a belt waiting for me if my grades slipped so at the end of the day, I had enough motivation to do well. Luckily, I went to a public high school that you had to test to enter and thus, didn’t have to worry about that as much.

Middle school is where the breakdown begins with many black boys in my opinion and where the focus is needed.

28 07 2008
puff

@ chaotic

but our asses (well, serena’s ass) combined with their super human intelligence would be unstoppable… i don’t know if black men carry the ass genes or not, and the women are – as proud so clearly demonstrated – more often than not retarded, so that mix would be as much use as a dick on a pope.

although in light of current catholic behaviour, maybe that analogy doesn’t work as well as i’d hoped…

28 07 2008
Amadeo

What’s funny is (I lost the link to the statistic (yeah I know), but Europeans are one of the biggest groups of illegal aliens here. They also keep making it easier for people to come here from Europe to visit, which means it’s easier to just stay. Institutional racism: Come on over white people…who let those brown people in?

28 07 2008
riz

@ Amadeo,

Yeah, the gaming issue is a hot mess. I find that the whole “Reverse Racism”/ Unfair Benefit to Coloreds argument happens where there is some minorities making money to which the white man doesn’t have access.

WTF does Schwarzenegger care about the casinos? Of all the burdens that a person has to sort through everyday just to live in this state/country, I don’t think the casino is any kind of threat to public health or safety. He needs to take his behind on down to the Tenderloin (in SF) and walk around for 5 minutes. The blatant openness of the drug dealing, homelessness, poor health care, etc should peep him to what is really going on… Not to mention that he is the sole cause of my tuition rising to inordinate amounts such that the average young person can’t even afford to go to school anymore.

And in terms of the CIA, let’s not forget our best friends, COINTELPRO!

28 07 2008

I am soooo hungry

28 07 2008
Knatural

Chaotic – Blacks who owned slaves usually bought back relatives; it’s not the same at Whites trading, auctioning, and raping slaves for centuries. I understand your point though.

28 07 2008
chaoticdiva

lmao @ puff… you definitely said it! But yea…the Catholic issue makes me want to send Chris Hansen to the Vatican…

28 07 2008
riz

They point the finger at brown immigrants because America’s entire economy has been built on a subclass of people with no rights.

I live in CA. I am very familiar with how important Mexican labor is to this economy. All these people out here claiming that “illegal immigrants” are stealing our jobs are the ones benefitting from their labor.. ESPECIALLY the large companies.

28 07 2008
chaoticdiva

@ knat…my family was not that way. Honestly, my grandfather was raised white, and on the grandmother’s side, half of the fam was either white or “passing”. Those who were passing and denied their black heritage owned slaves most likely to fit in with the rest of the whites.

And as support for my argument, my grandmother’s first cousin is none other than racist ass Bing Crosby (the white christmas singing, wife beating, alcoholic).

28 07 2008
Jen

“Hi. Jenn – though, overall, I was disappointed with the CNN special, I don’t think the phenomenon of Blacks ‘playing dumb’ for the sake of social acceptance is a myth. Especially, in the so-called inner city.”

This is actually the exact opposite of what evidence presents. Intelligence is not looked upon as whiteness within our communities. That is just a lie. To the extent the “acting white” foolery does exist, it exists in suburban communities.

Stepping away from studies, your assertion is the polar opposite of my experience. I went to school in Houston proper and in the suburbs. In Houston, no Black kid wanted to be the dumb kid. There was good-natured joking about my fairly neutral accent, and me being “so smart,” but nothing that was mean or meant to be hurtful. People were impressed if my intelligence won me a school-sponsored trip somewhere or a medal or if I knew some arbitrary fact when I lived in the city.

My suburb was pretty diverse, so intelligence was also an asset to social life, there. Some of the Black kids voted class clown or homecoming queen or who were star atheletes and the like were also in the top 10% or at least 25% of the class.

The adjacent suburb, however, was lily-white. It was full of spoiled brats–Black and white–monkeying what they saw on BET. The only difference is that many of the Black kids had such limited exposure to Black people, they sometimes equated these images with themselves and dumbed themselves down in an attempt at authenticity. I will never forget the suburban kid who lost his chances at a fucking full ride at a state university because he wanted to play thug and rob a liquor store.

The point is, that to the extent that bullshit like that exists, it doesn’t come from Black culture. BET is not us. And the “acting white” myth is something projected on us by whtie people.

28 07 2008
puff

@ jen – how about i had to dumb myself so that all the spoilt lil white girls i went to school with wouldn’t be pushed over the brink to anorexia cos they all had complexes… it pissed me off cos it was the teachers who enforced that shit on all the black girls in my school, who were the ones who tended to get the best grades… but you know my uppity ass kept showing off anyways 🙂

28 07 2008
chaoticdiva

@ Amadeo…yes! The majority of illegal immigrants are Europeans and Indians that stay past the validity of work, travel, and school visas. Although there are alot of undocumented Mexicans that come into this country, many of them have at least tried to legally go through the process.

And Ah-nold is an illegal immigrant who married a Kennedy to get citizenship. Fuckery.

But back to the latino immigration topic. What people don’t know is when people come and immigrate from latin america, people aged 5-18 typically don’t get citizenship, while the under 5 and over 18 do. Example: Elian Gonzalez. He was 6 when he came to the U.S.. Many people don’t know that American law allows for Cuban immigrants to come to the United States and get automatic citizenship (again, under 5 and over 18) if they denounce their Cuban citizenship. This law has been in place since before Batista and Castro, probably from after the Cuban Revolution in 1902. When my grandmother came over in the 20’s, she and her cousin weren’t allowed citizenship, while her 2 year old brother, and both of her parents were. She finally got her green card when she married my Grandfather. The reason she was allowed to stay is because they don’t separate the children from the parents.

28 07 2008
Jen

@aceklub – I didn’t see this:

“Also, I think b/c I played sports it made up for it and thus wasn’t seen as the corny nerd.”

I think most people mistake being teased for being socially awkward with being teased for intelligence.

ALL children tease the socially awkward. I don’t know how this has been equated with being teased for being intelligent, and I don’t know how this fact has been abused as proof that Black kids think being intelligent and having a job are “acting white”.

28 07 2008
chaoticdiva

*15 not 1 smiley…

28 07 2008
Bassey

In regards to the argument that “none of my ancestors owned slaves” or “I didn’t enslave your people”, I look at it like this:
None of us started the fire but some of us are collecting fire insurance while others are left sifting through the charred and burnt for their belongings.

and that’s one to grow on.

As far as statistics, check out the book, “Don’t Believe the Hype” by Farai Chideya

28 07 2008
Vanita

The reason she was allowed to stay is because they don’t separate the children from the parents.
that is how alot of latino/caribbean people gain citizenship. I know thats how part of my family got up here. But I think they are changing this law now, and EVERYONE is gonna have to leave, regardless of the age of the child.

28 07 2008
Knatural

But Jen, doesn’t being intelligent contribute to being socially awkward? or being fat? Or wearing glasses? Or having a lisp? Any number of things can impact a child’s confidence, and kids are cruel and will pick on anything. It’s about disguising whatever makes you stand out. All kids want to belong and ‘playing dumb’ is just one of those ways.

Also, your point supports my theories on the differences between suburban Blacks and city Blacks. Surburban kids usually grow up in diverse neighborhoods, I didn’t really interact with White/Asian kids until seventh grade.

28 07 2008
aceklub

@ Jen

I think there is a big difference in your experience as you are a female and there wasn’t as much negative for a female to demonstrate academic excellence. However, it is different with boys and I think that your experience is different b/c I would curious in knowing what grades was you in when you went to school in the suburbs.

““Also, I think b/c I played sports it made up for it and thus wasn’t seen as the corny nerd.” I think most people mistake being teased for being socially awkward with being teased for intelligence.””

In my experience, playing sports was my way to be seen as like everyone else. If I didn’t play sports, then I would just be seen as the smart one and/or the nerd. I never said that it was equated to be socially awkward. It just meant that people would have viewed me as different.

Kids will be mean and say anything to try and hurt someone else so all it takes is 1 or 2 rumors to turn that normal intelligent child into something else.

28 07 2008
Vanita

@ Knat – I think alot of it has to do where in a city you grow up and where you go to school. I lived in an all black suburbs, but that did not refect my school life whatsoever. Alot of my friends in my neighbor didnt know I went to school with them because I didnt have ANY interaction with them while I was in school. That in large part had to do with the montessori progam I was enrolled, but I didnt have much interaction with black kids until high school.

28 07 2008
Vanita

In my experience, playing sports was my way to be seen as like everyone else. If I didn’t play sports, then I would just be seen as the smart one and/or the nerd. I never said that it was equated to be socially awkward. It just meant that people would have viewed me as different.
I agree with that 100%. Sports do = cool/ accepted. I wonder why tho?

28 07 2008
Amadeo

As a middle schooler in Advanced Academics and a High Schooler in Business…smart was not popular. The people I was coolest with were those who were trying to graduate the hell out of school. Fortunate cause I killed English and History and sucked at math…so we formed a Symbiotic relationship.

28 07 2008
Jen

@Knat – I think it is important that people separate being intelligent from being socially awkward. Just because intelligent people are sometimes socially awkward and vice versa doesn’t make the terms homonyms.

I am well aware that girls have a different experience from boys growing up, but that doesn’t address my point about mistaking being teased for having cokebottle glasses or a lisp or being clumsy or having an obsessive preoccupation with some subject of no interest to anybody but them (computers, Star Wars, stamps–WHATEVER) with being teased for being intelligent. I think people are hesitant to acknowledge that out of hubris and bitterness retained from their younger years. People like this need to realize that they’d have been teased for these things even if they were dumb as rocks.

Sports = popular because sports are celebrated by ALL SCHOOLS (not just Black ones) in a way that academics are not. There are few academic pep rallies, letterman jackets for academic achievers are a recent phenomenon, etc. If you hadn’t played sports, aceklub, you may have just been known as “the smart one,” but all else being equal, it would not have made you an object of social ridicule.

By the way, my first year at school in the suburbs was 10th grade.

28 07 2008
aceklub

@ vanita
I think with Sports, it is something that most kids play in some form or fashion. Parents send their kids to play team sports, either soccer, football or baseball at young ages and thus friendship/crews are formed early and we all know that the things kids value at 8-13 year include acceptance/popularity. Sports can provide that acceptance.

28 07 2008
Amadeo

Consider this: Geeks have only become something people were proud to proclaim being in the last decade. Mostly because they grew up and made more money than the “popular kids”.

Frankly, my geekdom was tempered by the fact that I would fight…it became less cool to tease me when it was discovered I would punch someone. There were subsets…Academy of Finance and business people wouldn’t tease you for being smart…but both of those groups were subject to some ridicule from Gen. Pop.

28 07 2008
aceklub

@ Jen

Well for some, being smart is enough to make someone “hate on you” and break a person down (crabs in a barrel). Thus, while I would be seen as just the smart one w/o sports, I would have been seen as outside of the norm b/c while most of the students are pushing to grab C’s, I am pushing to get A’s.

“cokebottle glasses or a lisp or being clumsy or having an obsessive preoccupation with some subject of no interest to anybody but them (computers, Star Wars, stamps–WHATEVER) with being teased for being intelligent.” I wasn’t even speaking to all that b/c none of those attributes applied to me. As I mentioned, I feel that I was never teased for my academics b/c
1. I learned to not push it on others and not raise my hands everytime to answer a question
2. I was never seen as outside of the “cool crowd”, which I feel was b/c of sports b/c most of the “trouble, popular kid” were also good in sports.

28 07 2008
Jen

“I learned to not push it on others and not raise my hands everytime to answer a question”

Truly smart kids learn not to be kiss-asses and gunners.

Nobody likes a fucking gunner.

And, by the way, white kids are notorious for whining about “somebody fucking up the curve”. Sweet Jesus, it is irritating.

So, until somebody starts making documentaries about kiss-ass, white gunners who fuck up the curve being perceived as “trying to be Asian,” I do not want to hear about this pseudopathology of “acting white” that is supposedly “prevalent” in the Black community.

28 07 2008
chaoticdiva

amen to jen.

28 07 2008
MiracleMax

@everyone who was talking about black people either dumbing themselves down or not being vocal about their achievements in school

@Jen
What I ment to say was that black BOYS tend to do this in school, I worked in a few schools in my time, and it was very clear. I also noticed that black girls who did well in school were more popular than there boy counterpart. This is probably why you had a different experience when you were in school. Black boys in school are told by their peers that they must be tough, physically active, and should have “street cred”. Being smart and speaking correctly is seen in much of the black male community in school as being either “acting white” or being gay. Which leads to another entirely different topic of homophobia in the black community. Im guessing that many black males in the black community are struggling with being gay, and with trying to act tough at the same time (they think you cant be both so one will be suppressed, and that will be the outward signs of being gay). Many will stop doing well in school to prove they are “gangsta” and thus not gay. But the huge HIV and AIDs problem in the low income black community among bisexual males and women says otherwise.
Jen, im glad you didnt have to face this problem in school, but I promise the black guy next to you probably did.

29 07 2008
Jen

MiracleMax – I am sorry, but that is rubbish. The entire comment. I think it is interesting that two guys have indicated that I must not be familiar with the Black male experience if I have asserted what I’ve asserted. I am very much familiar with that experience, as are most Black women. Just as you can observe, I can–especially growing up in a family full of boys. And, I stand by what I said.

The idea that Black students equate intelligence with acting white is a myth developed and propagated by people who look down on Black Americans, and one that has been debunked by people within and outside of our community time and time again. Don’t believe me? Google. It deeply saddens me that people continue to drink this Kool Aid.

Also, please understand that “acting white” and “talking white” are two different ideas. Please note that the accent you speak in has nothing to do with your intelligence. I, for one, hope my children are able to convincingly codeswitch. The Black American dialect is as valid a dialect as any other, and I find it interesting that ours is the only one Americans tend to universally equate with a lack of intelligence.

And…Black in America had its fleeting moments, but was, overall, poorly executed.

29 07 2008
MiracleMax

@jen

You are absolutely wrong, language is one of the most important basic facts in judging someones intelligence. Improper usage of words, double negatives, etc say alot about your intelligence. Sure you can talk that way to set a casual tone, or relate to someone who does not know any better, but I cant believe that someone would want to constantly sound ignorant even if they knew it was wrong. There is not a “black accent” or a “white accent”, there is a correct way of speaking and an incorrect way of speaking. Oprah is a perfect example, she will speak correctly through her entire show, but will occasionally say things such as “Oh, I aint gonna do that”, but the audience knows she just said that for comedic humor and doesn’t really speak that way. I know alot of southerners with a southern accent, and the ones with higher educations do not speak incorrectly, but they still have that southern twang, the twang is the accent, not the way the put the words together.

Also, if you dont believe that certain black kids in americas schools are picked on for “acting white” and speaking correctly by other black kids, then you need to go back to many different middle and high schools and watch for yourself.

29 07 2008
Jen

I’ll say it again. “Talking white” and “acting white” are two different things.

Black children are mocked for not being able to codeswitch.

The idea that Black children equate intelligence with “acting white” is a myth.

I think the fact that you just said that “language is one of the most important basic facts in judging someones intelligence” and then tried to pretend that there is no such thing as a Black dialect pretty much confirms that I will not be able to have any conversation with you that assumes like background knowledge.

When adults say things like these, I have to believe that it is because they do not WANT to be familiarized with the subjects they are discussing. I am assuming that you are a Black adult, so it is difficult to accept that you’ve not yet been introduced to ample contradictory evidence to ideas that are so fundamentally flawed. In case this belief is incorrect in your case, I strongly encourage you to do some very basic reading a) on what “intelligence” is and is not (especially the building of the concept of “g”) and b) on Black dialects in North America (compare and contrast the cultural reasons for the acceptance of West Indian versus Black American language patterns as valid dialects). Then, reevaluate those statements.

It always bothers me to see Black people so casually villainize their own culture. Here’s a hint: if one can logically conclude, based on your viewpoint, that the average white person is somehow fundamentally superior to the average Black person, then you would do yourself a favor by sniffing out the invalid premise—because it exists.

29 07 2008
MiracleMax

I do not believe that white people are better then black people, i dont believe anyone is better then anyone else based on the color of their skin. In America, there are many different types of accents, but they are based on geographical location inside the U.S. Like a southern accent, a New Jersey/ New Yorker accent, a Boston accent, a “valley girl” accent most associated with southern california, a texas accent, etc. What is funny is how you say that there is a black accent. Lets assume that all other foreigners that come here, japanese, german, french, chinese, etc all speak english but have an accent that would help denote where they are from. After maybe even one or two generations in the U.S their children will have NO accent from their parents or grandparents home country. Black people have been in the US for hundreds of years, what makes many of them who you say have their own accent different just because of skin color? Whats funny is that all the educated black people I know, have no “black accent”, you know why? Because of education. Why would you want to sound ignorant, and speak incorrectly if you have a masters in english? It is because it NEVER happens. This can also be said for the many white trash hicks living in America. If they had educations would they still sound like white trash hicks? the answer is no.

30 07 2008
bella

“If you’re convinced that my black ass is prone to violence, I might as well not disappoint you.”

This line is classic…

31 07 2008
Jen

@MiracleMax – Dialect and accent are not synonymous.

You are amazingly whitewashed.

That is all.

31 07 2008
WargodPR1

Chris I have been saying this for years….LMAO

Pavlov would be proud and ashamed that his theories have come this far….

7 08 2008
monicarolevans

Just found your blog and I love it. After reading this post I have to tell you that if I ever marry a man it would almost have to be you.

Keep the facts and entertainment flowing.

cheers!

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