Irresponsible White Men

2 07 2008

After writing the Irresponsibele White Women post, I’d always wondered if they had any kind of comic foil I’d be able to poke fun at later. Lo and behold, I got my answer last Friday night.

I was out on Capitol Hill with five other guys and taking a leak in a secluded area outdoors when I heard one of Chicken Jon’s friends (we’ll call him ‘The Chairman’) in the distance yell “SHE GOT A BADONKADONK!” I could never fully explain how funny it is to hear this phrase yelled in a goofy Vietnamese accent, but it turned quite unfunny when I zipped up and walked back around the corner to see The Chairman and some random white dude in each other’s faces.

Figure 1: Composite sketch of the incident

The white boy was upset about the ‘Badonkadonk’ comment, which apparently had been leveled at the extremely nervous-looking white woman standing behind him and to the right*, so this idiot (accompanied by an equally nervous-looking short black dude who was clearly trying to stay out of it) decides to turn around and interrogate The Chairman about the comment. The argument, which was insanely idiotic, consisted of these statements being repeated in a constant loop:

White Guy: “Dude, were you talking about my girl?”
The Chairman: “This is a private conversation, yo.”

The situation is getting more and more heated and if the white dude throws a punch, all six of us will jump him and he WILL die…so I physically step between the white boy and The Chairman and start making jokes, namely: “If whites and asians fight, the niggers go to jail. Both of you shut the fuck up, please.” I guess that’s far less a joke than it is hard and fast reality, but in any case the black dude found this hysterical, and it was actually enough to get the two to back off from one another – though they both continued talking shit.

Then as the tension was finally relieving itself, some other tiny white dude insists on saying over and over again:

“Just so you’ll know, there’s like 18 cops at the top of the hill. I’m just saying. Alright?”

Now, he wasn’t saying this in a helpful “hey guys, chill out – you could get in trouble” kind of way. Instead, he was saying it in an arrogant “If we fight, the cops’ll be on our [white] side, you colored fucks” kind of way. Fortunately the other white guy, the black guy, and the girl are walking away up the hill and the new idiot realizes he’s being left alone, so he eventually hauls his short squat ass up the hill behind them – all the while still yelling about the cops**

Figure 2: I can’t believe how close this came to happening

The closest I myself have ever come to a real fight since turning 21 (not including the two times some idiot without a weapon tried to mug me in the last 8 weeks) was at Lucky Bar in DC.

Some drunk white girl was falling all over herself, and a scrawny Indian guy tried to carry her out of there. As she was about to slip off him and bust her head open, I reached over and grabbed her shoulder to keep her from falling. Then some knight in popped-collar armor jumps in my face, grabs my arm, and yells “Dude! Dude! Whaddyou think you’re doing?!” I shove the dude off me, at which point he realizes that a.) I’m flanked by seven guys and b.) his own friends are offering ZERO support…yet he refuses to stop talking shit and refused to get out of my face. Next thing I know, there’s a flashlight being waved in our direction and the white dude is being tossed out. The fact that Lucky Bar chose to bounce the white dude instead of the black dude with no questions asked will forever make Lucky Bar cool in my book.

I’ve been trying for a long time to figure out what the hell it is that makes white dudes think they can challenge some guy physically when he’s backed up by an entire platoon of his friends. I don’t think tiny white men harbor any illusions that they’re going to physically kick the asses of six or more minorities all by themselves, so all I can figure is that their arrogance is predicated on the notion that the cops/bouncers/society will always be on their side if the shit goes bad.

Also, in the two incidents just mentioned, I also figure the white boys have a rescue complex and assume that they’ll get laid by the girls they’re either rightfully defending (in The Chairman’s incident) or defending for no reason (in the Lucky Bar incident).

Figure 3: Attention White Men: this is NOT you

I think the movie Fight Club may also share some of the blame. It’s a movie that supports a myth that fighting is easy, punches (both giving and receiving) don’t hurt that much, and white people have unreal pain tolerances. The great thing about Fight Club is that the overwhelming majority of dudes who watched it have probably never been in a real fight and are entirely unfamiliar with the amount of pain involved in getting punched square in the face. This is why guys from rough neighborhoods have a blasé attitude towards Fight Club and view it as a comedy, while nuggets*** from the suburbs absorb everything about the movie with almost a cultish fervor then go out in public hoping to reenact what they’ve just seen.

Every movie Brad Pitt makes results in thousands of irresponsible white men getting their asses kicked.

*Her countenance went from nervousness to sheer terror after seeing a black guy over 6′ emerge from behind a corner and indicate clearly to be on the side of the asians

**Incidentally, he was referring to the dozen or so Federal cops that patrol Capitol Hill on Independence Avenue between 2nd Street SE and 14th Street SW. Those cops were at least 1/4 mile away and would have never heard his screams as I took his scalp lock a prize for my war shirt. Fucking asshole.

***Naval term for a rookie aviator

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577 responses

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

way to get the blood boiling first thing in the morning. I hate the faith white people have in the cops like its their own private security against the coloreds. More than that I hate that its so often true.

Go Lucky Bar

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Kudos for not killing many white men and ending up in jail. Just the idea that guy got pissed at you for touching a white woman would’ve flipped my ABW switch and gotten somebody cussed out. And you know a cursing black woman gets escorted out quickly.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Also this seems to be an appropriate venue for my favorite video once again.

2 07 2008
Esquire

I agree wholeheartedly. This also applies to white women, who have watched Bring it On one time too many.

I will say I believe a Black person could kick a white person’s ass on any given day, even WITHOUT the help of a “posse.” We are much more angry and hell we are the one’s going to jail…might as well make it worth it.

(There are exceptions to every rule, too bad every white person alive THINKS they are that exception)

2 07 2008
Landon

WNBT:

Good morning 🙂

Chris: It was smart of y’all not to fight over something so stupid. I understand you have to defend your boys even if it is for the stupidest of reasons. I hate fighting but that does not mean i dont know how to fight.

However, I am careful to fight a pack of white dudes in a bar because 1. i will be the one to get arrested. 2. WHen they drink they lose all sense of logic and reason. 3. i just want to get drunk and mind my own business. 4. The last time i got into that situation My boys and I won the fight against them but lost against the bouncers (NOT COOL)

2 07 2008
Landon

Esquire:

Um i don’t agree with you. I got some white friends i played football with that i would want on my squad of a fight anyday of the week. Esp. my Irish friends when they get a little DRUNk… Its not easy to knock out those MoFos and they are crazy in teh head…

AND NEVER I REPEAT NEVER (in NYC at least) get into a fight with an Albanian (Croatia)… 1. if you get into a fight with them at a location i guarnteed they are there with at least 20 people of which 15 of them are their cousins. 2. They love the fight and their country has been at was for the last 20 odd years. 3. Did i mention they will call back up in a heart beat just to fight. THEY ARE CRAZY…

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Also albanians have this crazy feuding lore that if you really fuck up one of their family they have the right to do some romeo and juliet/Hatfield and McCoy style tit for tat grudge feud shit. theres some kids in albania that have to be homeschooled because if they step outside they could get murked for some great great grandcousin killing someone elses great great great grandcousin. Moral of the story: don’t fuck with Albanians.

honkytonk badonkadonk!

2 07 2008
Jeresmom

It’s times like these that I am glad I am a woman.I don’t know how I would react in these situations if I was a man

2 07 2008
creativecat

Yeah, a lot of guys go crazy in the name of protecting women’s honor. Personally, as long I’m not being physically assaulted, I can protect myself. I’ll just make the guy feel REALLY stupid. ; )

Esquire, if you’re talking two people of the same size, you’re probably right. I still will usually put my money on whoever’s the biggest. Unless it’s Chuck Norris. My money is ALWAYS on Chuck Norris.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

All money is Chuck Norris’s money. He’s just allows other people to babysit for him.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

sorry, good morning midget!

2 07 2008
Landon

WNBT:

I see you know about the Albanians… Maybe its because i played sports (Football) with these white boys and been in a couple white bar fights and see how crazy those cats can get. Plus i work in construction (which half my workers are either former military or convicts) who do physical labor every day. Let a carpenter hit you who puts up studs and drywall all day he will cold cock your ass in a heartbeat. I laugh because (of our color ) we feel we have an advantage in a fight. Its only because of stereotypes and presumed fear of black people will commit a crime or have a weapon. We feel we have a mental advantage on a white person in a fight because we assume they fear black people in some degree when it comes to physical interaction. For white Americans this argument has some weight however, fuck around with a white person from another country like Albania, Russia, England where there are WHITE THUGS and fight all the time…

Its similar to NYC cats going down south thinking some Country Punpkin can’t fight….

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Oh yes, them country boys are not scared of black folk. Been around us too long and know our necks break in a noose just like everybody else.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

However it is always embarrassing as a black person to get your ass whooped by a white person. One of the few stereotypes that may help (causing fear in your enemy) some times (other times just gets you kicked out, shot, arrested, taken to guantanamo etc) and then you let white people know they may not have to fear a black person. Then they get all bold and shit, feeling back on the plantation. Sad day, sad day. Then you have to go home and watch honky tonk badonkadonk several times to feel better.

2 07 2008
(fŭng'kē) [blak] [chik]

@ Landon…funny you’d mention the drunken Irish. I would see my uncles get into numerous fights when I was younger (they’re Irish), and in the neighborhood we lived in, they were basically the minority…so black guys would always approach them on some, “beat whitey” shit. Hmmm..they learned the hard way, especially the few times my uncles had some good ole’ liquor in them.

2 07 2008
8th Wonder

The word badonkadonk makes my eye twitch.

And it is SO true. White people are so afraid of Black folk that all you have to do (In a lot of cases) is frown and roll your neck one time, and those mofos run for the hills. Stupid.

The boodeyman checks his closet every night for Chuck Norris. Its true.

2 07 2008
Landon

About two weeks ago i was heading driving home and i was in Harlem.

There was about 6 black teenagers walking up 8th ave. They were walking in a pack and a white skater (dude) was walking their way. I guess they expected him to veer but he kept straight. They walked into each other and some words were exchanged. i think the black kids were surprised they white guy didn’t back down he was about 21-23 the kids were about 16-17 (black kids i fear the most) and i am black. The leader of the pack starts woofing real loud thinking talking loud would scare the guy (why do we do that? TALK loud to scare people?) The white boy told him to shit up and stop being stupid. Black kid makes a move and the white boy MOoshes the shit out of his face. Black kid is stunned he makes one more move and the white boy counters and shoves him and a friend to the ground and he keeps on walking. The kid was embarrassed because he just got duffed by a white boy in broad day light in front of MAD people. So of course as the guy is walking away the kid is TALKING louder and more mess calling the guy a punk for walking away even though it was obvious he would have won the fight.

2 07 2008
vitazza

Good Morning All,
@ Landon I co-sign your statements about white guys Can and Could kick ass.
Now in a fight with the County WT’s a brother will most possibly win because of the emotional fear that Black people have over whites.

…..but as you said run around with Irish guys or some construction cats and whom ever is on the opposite side of that punch is hitting the pavement.

After I graduated college I took a job at a local bar picking up weekend shifts.(social habit) My brother was a bouncer and my husband was a bouncer. I know for sure as I had witnessed the same fight 5times a night is that White boys talk shit, think they can where you down and can be handled be capable black men over and over and over again. My brother is barely six feet all muscle no fat slight build but strong and will kill with fists. My husband is the same but 6’3. I swear I couldn’t wait sometimes to watch my boys in action. Mind you the clientele was/is about 95-80% white in Fells and the police are fair down there…not the same story in Ocean City or Towson.

2 07 2008
vitazza

I hate that song “Honkytonk Badonkadonk”!
That crap is infectious!!

2 07 2008
sarah

oh yes, white men in DC definitely have entitlement issues.

BTW, i think you live near me, Chris.

2 07 2008
vitazza

so sorry I ment **wear** you down

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Honkytonk Badonkadonk will always make my day. Laugh out loud funny everytime. Also if you’re not busy, you should do a wheres waldo type of search for the booty in the video.
I’m sorry it makes your eye twitch reading 8th. Mebbe if you just heard it in a country twang it would make you feel better too.

2 07 2008
Jen

Ethnic whites and rednecks will beat your ass. And they will call their cousins around to beat your ass, too. In this way, we are one.

I think the cannot fight stereotype applies mostly to WASPs/typically ethnically ambiguous white Americans. There is nothing sadder than a drunken, red-faced WASP talking shit in a bar.

Also, there is nothing more irritating than one of those “colored fucks” moments described above. Perhaps equally frightening is when white people do irresponsible shit and try to involve my square ass in it like I WON’T be the one arrested and publicly scorned were something to fall apart. Not cool.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

what on earth is a County WT?

once again i reiterate. Country white folk are not scared of black people. They remember lynching and slavery. And if you forget it, they will remind you.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Oh yea, i hate that, I can talk shit attitude some bitches get, because there’s a black girl in the crew. bitch i just came to party tonight, I don’t know you, we haven’t bonded over liquor. I’m not backing your crazy ass up in a fight. Don’t let your mouth start shit your ass can’t handle.

2 07 2008
vitazza

Sarah
white folks in general have entitlement issues. All day long we witness the bull. I think, because we are black we have just started to ignore the slights and decided to “step over” the offenders in order to just keep it moving. You can not call out stupidity at every turn it will just make you “bitter”. hahaha

2 07 2008
Landon

Let a basketball player get into a fight with a hockey player and see who wins!!!

2 07 2008
Angry IV

Hahahahahaha, this was great…I love the “knight in popped-collar armor” comment, hahahahaha.

That being said, one of my mandatory classes at my place of higher learning was boxing. Great class – taught me a lot, and though I hadn’t been in a fight in almost literally 10 years before beginning the class, the inner anger that I harbored resulted in me staying late and going in for extra practice working on my technique. When you’re angry at the world and at Mr. Charley, strength is not an issue, it comes naturally.

Boxing was such a huge success that the school decided to offer UFC-style MMA classes. These were also mandatory, and have come in handy. In the two fights I’ve been in since, in one I was able to disable a white guy with one blow to the brachial plexus. In the other, I put some assclown to sleep using the rear naked choke, or the “sleeper hold.”

Knight in Popped-Collar Armor…hahahahaha.

2 07 2008
Jo

Lol @ Landon: I don’t know…most basketball players have a considerable wingspan advantage over the average hockey player. On the other hand, you’ve gotta give hockey players credit–those guys don’t back down.

2 07 2008
vitazza

@WNBT
County WT is a YT my as is soooo dyslexic i gotta spell check everything damn!

2 07 2008
8th Wonder

Landon, that is the damn truth. Most of those hockey dudes are just WAITING for a chance to fight.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

county was throwing me too, i assumed you meant country YT but since you threw towson in there I wasn’t sure you weren’t talking about something local.

2 07 2008
Landon

one some hockey players are 6’5 and 230 pounds and tough as NAILS!!!

I would take the HOCKEY TEAM over the Basketball team any day of the week.

Think about all the basketball fights you have seen in the last 10 years… How many tiems did cats miss BADLY and look like they had no hand skills.

sans The Pacers incident in Detroit basketball players are not good fighters.

I beleive al sports shoudl be like hockey where you are allowed to fight until someone falls. I think it would stop peopel from talking too much shit.

2 07 2008
Angry IV

@Landon – another thing about those Eastern Europeans besides loving a good fight, those cats use knives too…and they don’t just pull them out and threaten to take your wallet, they USE them in slashing motions, not stabbings…the fact thet they’re so crafty with the blade scares me.

But lets not get away from what this is about – it’s about suburban white men, usually in their early to mid 20’s, acting as if they’re Sir Lancelot.

2 07 2008
Jo

Cosign on that. That’s the best part about hockey.

2 07 2008
Angry IV

I also believe that another reason that the mental advantage comes in to play is that usually the doorman and bouncers in the bar are generally 6’+, 200lb+ black dudes with bald heads, smedium t-shirts, and bluetooth pieces in their ear. The bluetooth headset makes them look extra menacing, as does the smedium shirt.

2 07 2008
Angry IV

smedium, hahaha

2 07 2008
Omar Muhammad

I would put Rasheed and Ben Wallace up against any hockey players.

What about a football player against a hockey player??? I got Michael Stahan laying mofos OUT…

Fuck it who has been running boxing ever since they allowed minorities to hit white people without getting lynched or deported… not white folks.

Don’t make me go get Kimbo Slice…

2 07 2008
Vanita

I think some white people use drunkeness as an excuse to fight. I know too many white people who will drink and LOOK for a fight. And white people like to give people adjectives in front of your real name, so I know a couple of Fighting Johns, Brawling Lukes etc.

And you also shouldnt mess with white people who grew up around black people. They are pretty f-in gangsta, and WILL call ur bluff. And Isralies (sp?) Yea, they roll too deep, and like the Albanians, you mess with one, you mess with all of them, and its ALOT of them.

2 07 2008
vitazza

@WNBT
In Maryland our Baltimore county YT’s are educated in and are out and around Towson,Cockeysville, Parkville, Reisterstown. Some areas have pick-up trucks but they don’t mess with Black folk they will just call the Police. This is not farmland. I need to go to Cecil County to get my ass kick up this way. Southern, and Central Maryland have old white folks that are not scared and will call cousin Mike …hence the whole BS that went down in PG county this weekend???!!!
In any affect you are correct County YT Folk are not afraid of Blacks… just the particular county I am close to they can be wary of strange Black poeple

2 07 2008
8th Wonder

Micheal Strahan’s grill didnt look like that until he tried to fight a hockey player.

2 07 2008
Vanita

The bluetooth headset makes them look extra menacing, as does the smedium shirt.
*crying @ smedium shirt!!!!*

2 07 2008
Deesigner

Landon, it sounds like you’ve had your ass kicked a few times. I don’t know many black men that cannot whip a white boy. They just don’t have enough righteous indignation bottled up.

@ WNBT, finally a video that could be in if I ever chose to let out my inner Video Hoe (Her name is Candy).

2 07 2008
Vanita

OMG, Kimbo Slice is CRAZY…he knocked a mans EYE out, and the dude daped him up like ‘good fight homie’ WTF?!?! you just lost ur eye.

2 07 2008
Omar Muhammad

@8th Wonder – LMAO – it’s just a gap, Mike Tyson got a gap too…

2 07 2008
8th Wonder

Is it a gap, or did the hockey mofo hit dude so hard that his teeth decided to separate to lessen the impact of the blow?

Discuss.

2 07 2008
Jo

@ vitazza: I cannot believe that case in PG county! I mean, I’ve heard of vigilante justice on the inside, but couldn’t they have at least waited ’til he had been found guilty? There will be a massive outcry if it turns out that man wasn’t the one driving after all…

2 07 2008
Landon

the two fights i lost in my life one was black (3 on one) and white (2 on 1)

I was not knocked out but i was bloodied up pretty bad but i got my shots in.

They have enforcers on hockeys team who job is simply to FIGHT and protect the scorers on the team. THAT IS THERE JOB. AND THEY FIGHT WELL ON SKATES!!!

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

But no one thinks there was half a tooth in that gap before mike started fighting? lol
Yes, it is the only video where i thought, shit my booty would look damn good up in there. If only they let black people (besides that one dude the cowboy hat who was probably a mistake or a hallucination) in that club.

2 07 2008
Vanita

@ Jo-Wait that dude might not have been driving?? oh lawd…

2 07 2008
Landon

I was just saying i got a couple white friends that i would want on my side in a fight… I have seen these guys in action, plus we played football together so you didnt mess with someone from my team. My boy Brian would jump in a fight no questions asked throwing bottles and chairs and what ever else he can get his hands on.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Damn, if hockey weren’t such a bullshit sport I would be all about it. People on the team who are just there to fight, not even play the sport. That sounds wonderful. But i am adding you 6 more bourgie points landon for even knowing this much about hockey. 4 more for watching it.

2 07 2008
Omar Muhammad

@8th WOnder – Mike Tyson probably did it so they would look more like twins, LOL

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

throwing small children gives brian 5 cool points.

but you also get 6 more bourghie points for playing rugby. Don’t lie and pretend it was football. You know you were out there in a long sleeve striped shirt and some shorts.

2 07 2008
Knatural

Hi. Hockey is actually kinda cool; those guys are so graceful. But if more Black dudes played, the league certainly wouldn’t allow them to fight.

2 07 2008
Landon

hockey fights they knw how to fight.. how many NBA fights you seen were they throw a million punches and no one gets hit.!

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Fighting was the reason I though black people weren’t allowed to play hockey. Same in rugby, they only allow black people to play that shit when they have pads and protection.

2 07 2008
Omar Muhammad

The only (current) hockey player I know is Alex OVechkin, and that is because he is one of the best players in the league and plays in DC…at least we’re good at something.

(((has flashbacks of Wizards and ‘skins getting asses whooped)))
(((shudders)))

2 07 2008
Vanita

OK guys. Honky Tonk Badonkadonk??? is that real?? That is tooo funny…I hope the YTs didnt hear me laughin @ it!

2 07 2008
Jo

Oh–I don’t have it on good authority. I guess I just believe in the whole “innocent until proven guilty” bit. I suppose the PD knew he was guilty for a fact. It’s just the way it happened that bothers me so much.

WNBT: tack those bourgie points on me as well. Damn, if I don’t love a good hockey game.

2 07 2008
Landon

The best player in Hockey is BLACK!

2 07 2008
Omar Muhammad

I saw Chris Childs two-piece Kobe nice and clean

2 07 2008
Omar Muhammad

Landon (14:33:56) :

“The best player in Hockey is BLACK!”

Soul on Ice…

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

He would have to be landon. You can’t be the only black guy in the league and be half-ass

2 07 2008
vitazza

@Jo..
I knew the moment it came on the tele what was up…..I str8t Knew they killed the boy. What he did was very wrong but people are still innocent until proven guilty. It could have been a horrible accident ya know. He may have hit the officer by mistake then freaked out and excellorated rather than stopping. IDK
I don’t think anything will happen tho…the media will just ignore the situation then the administration will get light taps on the wrist…and everything just goes away. A simular thing happened in Annapolis three years ago to a black teenager with several white kids …….media backed off and it all went away.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

This is for Vanita, since she didn’t see the earlier link, and I would like to reiterate that this is my favorite video every. Even WhatWhat in the butt takes a bow to this

2 07 2008
Knatural

AAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH Fig 1.
Why’d you put that Rayden hat on him?!?!?!?!?!? AHAHAHAHAHAH

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

sorry just watched it again and i laughed until i teared up. I’m going to stop. I’ve reached my honkytonk quota today.

2 07 2008
Vanita

@ Jo and Vitazza – The police have WAY too much power. Because, yes that boy was killed in a viglilate justice kind of way, and NOONE will be punished for it. It will go to the jury and they will be acquitted of all charges. Same as Sean Bell. I’d really like to see how they spin this one.

And I like hockey games too, didnt know that was bougie tho. I only watch them live tho.

2 07 2008
Vanita

WNBT, I saw the video. and again, I ask, is that real?? IT IS WAY FUNNY!!!!!! And yes, I too would probly be the STAR of that video. LMAO@!!

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

PG county cops been crooked since day 1. This is just another notch in the belt. Guranteed a big one but fuck if it will change anything.

2 07 2008
Vanita

Actually Im not too sure that it would be a good thing to be a star in THAT particular video…

2 07 2008
Jo

@Vitazza…

Same here. I didn’t believe that “suicide” story from the first.

“It could have been a horrible accident ya know. He may have hit the officer by mistake then freaked out and excellorated rather than stopping. IDK”

That’s exactly what I meant about not giving him a fair trial first. Yes, it happened, but we’ll never know what the circumstances were. Some news stories have been labeling him a “cop-killer”…a title which implies a certain lack of remorse on the part of the perpetrator. I’d like to think that he simply freaked out too–not that he was out to get the officer. But like I said…now we’ll never know.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

shoot PG county cops just sobered me up, i’m going to go back and watch my video until you guys get back on an entertaining thread.

BTW Landon has 4,791 bourghie points. He is the poster child, you cannot catch up.

2 07 2008
4m_no_2_dc

lol @ “soul on ice”
white men say shit like that cause they think you’re afraid of the cops like they’re afraid of you.
white people say shit like this all the time.
Examples:
“you can’t talk to me like that”
WHY THE FUCK NOT?
“who do you think you are?”
SOMEONE WHO CAN KICK YOUR FUCKIN’ ASS….

every white person looks at a black man taller than 5’10 as kimbo slice.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Yes, b.c then you would have to change your name like NotBlonde b.c. HonkyTonkBadonkadonk is much funnier than Vanita. And that’s what we would all call you if you were in that video.

2 07 2008
Jo

@ Vanita: I didn’t know liking hockey was bourgie, either. When the season starts up again we should form a “black folks that like hockey” contingent and show up to a couple games. I bet we’d freak out quite a few people. Kinda like when people “discovered” that black people follow NASCAR…

2 07 2008
4m_no_2_dc

LMAO…. slap your grandma…
white people should never say black sayings.

2 07 2008
vitazza

@Vanita
You are correct and I fully expect the family to be on the tele in a year and a half talking about it. In my opinion we as black folks need proper representation when dealing with the law. Unfortunatly sometimes we get the hack who is most interested in holding news confrences than working the case to the best of his her ability I will just wait and see. I hope I am wrong and the family dose get justice.

2 07 2008
Amadeo

General rule…the dude running his mouth the most can’t fight…black or white. That’s why I’m always watching the quiet dude, who has taken off his watch and is sizing up your whole crew.

As a personal rule…if I think a fight can’t be avoided I hit the dude who is running his mouth mid-sentence. Also…size means nothing. I’ve seen alot of big ass bouncers who actually couldn’t fight…they were just strong. I’ve seen a slim average height dude fight two cats at once (one taller and one thicker) and have it come out even.

2 07 2008
Jo

WNBT: sorry to ruin your “honkytonk badonkadonk” high. If it makes you feel any better, I went to a friend’s wedding last fall (her family is from WV, take that as you will) and they played that song at the reception. Just picture the white folks dancin’ and I’m sure you’ll be amused again.

2 07 2008
Michael

Aw the irresponsible white man. I ran across him in high school when my neighbor decided black people can only win a fight if they jump people, to prove him wrong I beat him up. LOL

I haven’t run into many in my adult life but that may be because of my large size, dunno.

2 07 2008
Amadeo

Oh and as a B’more resident…FUCK COUNTY COPS. Nothing is worse then dealing with cops in the county.

2 07 2008
4m_no_2_dc

i’ve never seen a white man whip a black man’s ass…. in a fair fight

2 07 2008
4m_no_2_dc

baltimore scares me…fa real.

2 07 2008
Mrs.Epps

pure Hilarity!!!

I know to many white dudes like this… I remember one night when me, my ex, his sister/my bestfriend, and her ex and some friends went out to the club got fucked up and this girl that was with us bust her ass and this black dude came and helped her up as soon as he was about to walk off…my bestfriends bf started hollering at the dude and pushing him like the dude violated her or something…well what he didnt know what that the black dude was rolling deep and all his peeps rolled up like debo it was soo funny…boyfriend ran with his tail between his legs.. what made it worse was that same night when we got back to the house my friend and him got in this huge fight and she punched the shit out of him and then poured liquor all on his freshly shampooed seats it was hilarious…

Note to all men never push a women up against a wall and choke her esp a african woman she will fuck your shit up…

girl went apeshit!

She’s my hero i love that girl…he deserved it he was a true douchebag..like the popped collar earring wearing whole gel bottle wearing fast and the furious junkie asshole hahah

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Aw thank you jo, i have a gifted imagination and that will keep me going today. I especially am thinking of old drunk pancake backed aunties and tipsy grandmas sheggkin it for dudes in blue polyester prom suits that smell like moth balls of varying levels of bald.

2 07 2008
vitazza

OK, Being from Baltimore I will not admit that I Like or even listen to WPOC know who Trace, Kenny, or Martina are. I also cannot admit to liking NASCAR or stealing my little brother’s INDY shot glasses.

I will say If more Brothers played Rugby I would be sooooo Happy!!

2 07 2008
Cheekie

DEAD @ that Rayden ass hat. Now WHY’D you have to go and do that?

I love ya for it, but WHY?!

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

wow mrs epps, you let your girl get yoked up by a man. Thats bottle to the back of the head time for me. Damnit girl don’t let me get in a fight and have you standing by with the camera. You better put that shit down and help a sista out.

2 07 2008
8th Wonder

Landon, that youtube vid has made me an instant hockey fan. Lawd knows I love a good YT on YT fight. When’s the next game?

Amadeo- General rule…the dude running his mouth the most can’t fight…black or white. That’s why I’m always watching the quiet dude, who has taken off his watch and is sizing up your whole crew.

SO true. Quiet people are always the scariest.

2 07 2008
Vanita

LOL @ WNBT. Im good, I have a hard enough time with people taking me seriously as it is. And to be honest, im goofy enough to do the remix to that video. (Can you imagine the bougie remix??) You can be in it too. You can be in the pool scene or the make it rain money shot scene. Your pick. Landon can be the one to make it rain on you too.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Vitazza I know trace b.c. of this song, Kenny I’m assuming chesney who is famous enough to know. But Nascar, Indy and knowledge of all this just goes to prove what I’ve always said. That somehow baltimore is more southern than DC. Maps lie to you. Bmore is definitively more country than DC.

And I hate long sleeves and shirts but my linebacker midget brother is going to college where there is no football team. He will be joining the first rugby club he can find. A gift for you vitazza

2 07 2008
vitazza

Baltimore is Kool I aint’t Neva scurrred!!!! Once your here ya just stay away from the krazy ass hood and your ok! Never been robbed, beat down, burgled and I’ve been here my entire life.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Landon would have to stand on a chair to make it rain on me. But if you’re using real money and I get to keep it I will be in the money shot. Poolside wouldn’t be good for me b.c. i’ll be sheggkin my back but my tops will be the only part actually jigglin. ANd people wouldn’t remember the song was about the boot-a.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

robbed, beat downs and burglaries are rare in the country. Cowtipping and tractor stealing are more popular crimes.

2 07 2008
Vanita

But dont fake on Rugby. I tried out for the club team in college because I was done with track. They were teachin me how to tackle. Im thinkin they gonna take it easy because it was my first day. This thick white girl ‘practice’ tackled me, and she hit me so damn hard, I wanted to fight her ass. They DO NOT play in rugby. They only wanted me cuz i was fast…and i was running cuz I DID NOT want to be tackled again…

2 07 2008
Jo

WNBT: Dead at what you wrote because you described the situation to a T.

Vitazza: co-sign on that. I love me some rugby players. The problem is that most schools in black communities don’t offer rugby (or another great sport, lacrosse) programs. I recently saw a story about a local high school girl who plays on a boys’ team and is headed to tryouts to play for the national team in the international championship. That made me proud.

Aside: I don’t think hockey is bourgie, but I admit that the fact that I dig lacrosse does make me a little suspect. I guess I’m just trying not to limit myself to “black” sports. We can’t all be b-ball stars, y’know. And we shouldn’t all want to be.

2 07 2008
Omar Muhammad

Why do guys in Baltimore wear Capri pants that makes no sense????

2 07 2008
Lia

Now while I co-sign on the white boys who get to runnin their mouths and thinkin they can fight after a few drinks(I dated a frat boy, and he was NOTORIOUS. With his lame frat bros), I do know and have also dated some white boys who can definitely handle their own and do some work in a fight with anyone.

Where my real problem lies is with the white girls who wanna do the same thing after they’ve been drinking. I really am not tryna be in a bar, only to have some drunk white girl bump inot me and then get loud. I cannot and will not, but it never fails that I will have to put little girl in her place and instill the fear of an angry black woman on her ass. Don’t do me.

Someone has already mentioned it, the person running their mouth the most is surely the fool who CANNOT fight. And l also have the little white girl friend who will come at people sideways thinkin I’m bout to roll on people. Sorry Jenny, you will not come at people crazy thinkin my black ass is about to hold you down. Now let somebody start some mess for some reason, different story…

2 07 2008
Vanita

Well we can jazz up the money shot. Maybe we can put him on a escalade with 50’s and he can have a platinum toof. And yea, its gonna be real money, all his, and I dont mind if you keep it.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

You know what that video landon posted makes me happy too. Nothing funnier than seeing guys in snow pants whooping ass and sliding all over the place. Plus its funny to have them rip off 7 layers of clothes during the fight (which just makes the snowpants effect funnier) and still be clothed. Best one was the dude that beat the goalies ass and then just slid away. i want to deem that all fights take place on ice now so after you win you can just slide away going WHAT NI99A WHAT!

2 07 2008
vitazza

Oh don’t be fooled I like country music(america’s favorite type of music fo reel), alternative, late’50’s -60’s jazz, and HIP-HOP… the only music I don’t like is punk..ewwww.
Baltimore is North of DC the map is str8t

2 07 2008
Mrs.Epps

WNBT girlllllllll helll naw i wasnt just gonna stand there hahahah i had my girls back i kicked that fucker in the nuts from behind him and then her brother my ex beat his ass and of course he did the bitch move and tried to call the cops but i took his phone and broke that shit when i threw it on the ground… never get drunk with black folk and then pick a fight with them you will loose because you have bullshit friends that you think have your back but dont.. it was a quick lesson for the young grasshopper lol..

but she for real stole(one of my ignorant words of the day) him liek she was a man…we still talk about that night and laugh. the next day his face was swollen and purple.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

7 pts for lacrosse. Bourghie is still black. I however this fall will be trying out for womens football. either the NJ titans or NY sharks. Which ever has the better practice schedule for me, they’re both far away as anything.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Aww good to know. Now imagining that fight makes me happy too. Good call breaking the phone. Well that goes back to rule of dont fuck with white people. 😉

Oh also Nascar is not bourghie, its country as all get out.

2 07 2008
Jo

Is there a women’s league, or are they just starting it up? I’d follow that all season long.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

However i will move nascar to bourghie if I find out poster boy enjoys it. He’s mostly my thermostat for bourgeoisie

2 07 2008
Lia

My college had a rugby team and I LOVED it. We also had lacrosse, but I found that shit lame. Plus it was basically all the frat boys. No thanks!

2 07 2008
vitazza

Mrs Epps
Your are funny as hell beat up a man….Ahhhh
You sound like my-coworker only two uf us in our office. She punched an off duty Police officer in the jaw TWICE…..just cause he called her a bitch at a bar…I would never. He appologized when he saw her in the club a few weeks later then he flashed his Baltimore city Police Department BADGE in her face!!! I would have died 2000 deaths

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Womens tackle football leagues have been up for a few years. I just found out about it in the spring, but it was already mid season and i couldnt’ join b.c. of my stupid job. NJ titans(NWFA) and NY sharks (IWFL) are in 2 different leagues. Supposedly the NJ titans league is more competitive.

sharks http://www.nysharksfootball.com/

titans http://jerseytitans.com/TitanHomePage.html

DC divas http://www.dcdivas.com/

2 07 2008
Amadeo

Alot of hood “black” schools have lacrosse teams don’t sleep…some middle school cats in Bmore beat someones ass with their lacrosse sticks not too long ago.

@ Omar…there’s lame people everywhere. I’ve been feeling the urge to fight 5 of these young cats with skinny jeans and their ass still out. They ain’t baggy so they’re not falling off. You deserve a beat down if you make an effort to show us your underwear.

2 07 2008
Vanita

Lia, lacrosse is pretty good. Its sorta like basketball, except with sticks. Alot of the plays they run are basketball plays. (or basketball is alot like lacrosse, however you choose to phrase it)

2 07 2008
ph2072

Hilarious and true entry. And this shit right here:

Landon (12:55:04) : AND NEVER I REPEAT NEVER (in NYC at least) get into a fight with an Albanian (Croatia)… 1. if you get into a fight with them at a location i guarnteed they are there with at least 20 people of which 15 of them are their cousins. 2. They love the fight and their country has been at was for the last 20 odd years. 3. Did i mention they will call back up in a heart beat just to fight. THEY ARE CRAZY…

is absolutely correct. My city (same as Landon) is chock full of them. They don’t play.

2 07 2008
Vanita

Alot of hood “black” schools have lacrosse teams don’t sleep…some middle school cats in Bmore beat someones ass with their lacrosse sticks not too long ago.

LMAO!!! With the stick, so that proves they have lacrosse. Not the fact that you went to the game, they were in the paper cuz they won states. No, they beat someone up with the stick.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Vitazza I woulda been smug as shit if he flashed his badge and apologized. And I woulda told everyone how I slugged a cop 2 and didn’t go to jail and in fact got an apology. My ego should not be fed sweets.

Vanita, give landon an entire platinum grill and a chain that goes down to his waist and I’ll do it just for the money rained on me.

2 07 2008
Landon

RULE OF THUMB (REGARDLESS OF COLOR)

WHO EVER GETS IN THE FIRST (TWO) CLEAN SHOTS TO THE FACE OR OTHER SENSITIVE SPOT I.E: GROIN, KNEE CAP, THROAT, LOWER RIP SHOT — WILL WIN TEH FIGHT. I DONT CARE WHO YOU ARE UNLESS THE PERSON SWINGING IS JUST THAT WEAK.
movies and tv amke it appear that the avg human can take multiple bare fist shots to the head and keep on fighting. NOT TRUE. if a grown man steps into a punch and connects cleanly 8 times out of 10 the fight is over right there!

2 07 2008
Landon

In high school they tried to get me to play lacrosse but the thought of crazy white kids chasing me with sticks didnt settle well with me. They wanted me to play because of my speed and height apparently gave me an advantage at the position they wanted to play me at… I would of had more reach then most attackers because they on avg are 5’8 to 5’9 and i was taller but still just as fast… but i settled for track but I kind of wish i did play.

2 07 2008
Amadeo

@ Vanita…people in the hood don’t go watch lacrosse! That’s for Hopkins alumni.

2 07 2008
Landon

@ ph2707

i am glad to know you know the deal

side note – i am throwing a party at BRANCH tomorrow night… in NYC… if anyone is interested hit me up so i can RSVP you… plus it would be nice to meet the people i talk with every day, lol 🙂

2 07 2008
Sister Toldja

Yet another reason I prefer Brooklyn to DC! While both those scenarios were very plausible for Manhattan, anywhere Jersey trash convenes, or certain BK locales, the mixed shit I go to consists of White folks who are trying so hard to hide their internalized racism, the first White dude would’ve just screeched out “I’m voting for Obama!” and ran away crying.

White men think they are invincible. This is why every year, you hear about some rich White guy killing himself and a loved one or two by trying to fly a plane, as if flying is some easy shit you can just learn in a class or two. They be having GED pilot’s licences and shit for rich White people.

2 07 2008
vitazza

OMG @jo
Morgan State University has Lacrosse now they were like the ONLY Black University in the 1970’s that played lacrosse college circut…PBS special came out a few years ago…Ima get my boy to play lacrosse in his middle school next year. We love Lacrosse in B-more yes!!!! Still I hope for some Black Rugby action tho.
side note:
Did I lose Boughie points for living in Baltimore or my Country Music confession. Can I get any points back? I really don’t want to fall into total hoodlywinktom!
Don’t we all want to be well rounded???
{{{ponder’s thoughts}}}

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

My nephews play lacrosse, but I think its b.c. my sister actually wants them to be bourghie. I take solace in the fact that it originated as a native american sport and they’re bringing color back to the game. Still haven’t seen them play but supposedly they kick ass on the field. As they should.

2 07 2008
Yonnie3k

I’ve never been in a fight. I’m the one that always talks the loudest. I’m 27 and so far…my tactic has worked. Truthfully, I can’t remember finding myself in a situation like that since middle school. It also helps if you are surrounded by a group of friends that play into the idea (or maybe they actually believe??) that you are in fact crazy: “Yonnie, calm down. Yonnie, don’t do it. Yonnie, come on, let’s go.” aaahhh….middle school

2 07 2008
Lia

Vanita, I may have to actually check out a lacrosse game again. I just couldn’t get into the first time.

2 07 2008
Mrs.Epps

LMAOOO Vitaazz wouldnt be the 1st time i had to fuck a negro up.. I punched my ex in the face when he lied and cheated on me and tried to deny the shit. I hurt my hand but i felt so good afterwards.

or the time i got arrested when i was 17.. 2 months before i turned 18 and had to smack around this little hoe that to step to me and my guy friend who happened to be her ex lol…I “whooped that trick” lol the cop that picked me up from the mall was this hot puerto rican guy i was like yes please arrest me!!! I was mad as shit when i sat in juvi for 9 hrs hungry as hell lol luckliy i was free to go with a slap on the hand 🙂

2 07 2008
Landon

lacrosse has color and the best lacrosse player of all time was black

JIM BROWN (yes the football player) for the longest time he had the scoring title for syracuse. lacrosse is real big in long island and westchester new york

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

you get bourghie points for loving lacrosse and rugby the way you do. And knowing the black lacrosse stats gave you 50 bourghie points. However all of them are negated by the fact that you live in baltimore. Luckily for you living in baltimore also negated your country music confession. All of these things equate you being a well-rounded but unfortunately living in baltimore.

2 07 2008
Sister Toldja

Landon, do you know a guy named Adam from HU?

The sound of two White men fighting:

Brad- Duddddde?
Chad- What the fuck, man?
Brad- Yoooo duuuuuuuuuude!
Chad- What the fuuuuuuck duuuuuude?
Brad- Fucking assholeeeeee!
Chad- Duddddddeeeee!

After a few girly swipes, they will kiss and make up 10 min later. They may even cry. I have seen this happen many times.

Two Black men fighting:

Ty-Tyi: NIGGA WHAT?
Gun: POP POP POP POP POP POP POP
Police Sirens: reeeeeeerrrrrrreeeerrrr
(15 mins later)
Ambulance sirens: brrrrrruuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrr

Fin.

2 07 2008
ChaoticDiva

lol @ this story.

Reminds me of when I got into a fight in h.s. This white girl ‘popular’ cheerleader started it with me (I was the science, nerdy, flat-chested choir/track non popular type), and well, I walked out without a scratch, she walked out with a black eye and missing half of her hair. We both got suspended, but they went easy on me…like she was kicked out of school for like 3 weeks, me only 5 days.

Maybe because it was self defense, but funny thing was the white staff members sided with me. The only reason I got suspended was because it was school policy.

2 07 2008
Landon

sista T:

does his last name start with a G and is he an alpha?

2 07 2008
Mrs.Epps

umm that should be Vitazza 🙂

2 07 2008
Amadeo

@WNBT

kick ass like play well or beat someone down…my cousin got 8 stitches over his eye cause he scored on some white boy (mind you he went to Gilman and was one of a few black dudes) Lacrosse sticks seem to make good weapons.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

note you just said westchester ny landon. What kind of party are you throwing? Will I be forced to wear full evening wear or be kicked out by the jack and jill crew? In fact will everyone know each other and they mamas and aunties already?

2 07 2008
4m_no_2_dc

sister tolda
bravissimo! excellcent!!! lol

2 07 2008
Mrs.Epps

LMAOOO@ ST’s skit too funny and sooooooo true

2 07 2008
Yonnie3k

Ty-Tyi: NIGGA WHAT?
Gun: POP POP POP POP POP POP POP
Police Sirens: reeeeeeerrrrrrreeeerrrr
(15 mins later)
Ambulance sirens: brrrrrruuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrr

I believe this is what Aaron McGruder calls a ni@@a moment.

2 07 2008
vitazza

@WNBT,
When ever she tells the story (only twice) she has the BIGGEST shit eating grin on her face I fell and snaged my lab coat the last time cause the shit is hilarious….She is about 5’6″ and maybe 160 really pretty but takes no shorts….needless to say her future husband was there and saw the whole thing. He told her he was impressed with her savvy!! Damn If I was a guy and another man started talking crap about a girl in the vacinity and before I could jump in to defend the offender was banged I would be impressed as well I guess.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

hmm i don’t know. one of them is very athletic but at the same time he aint no punk neither and has actually beat a kid down b/c they were punking his older brother. I should probably ask if he does both. The other one is probably actually good at the game. Or making plays or something. As mentioned earlier, he doesn’t fight. Got suspended for talking too much. But thats a male trait in my family. Talkative ass men who pretend to be grunters.

2 07 2008
Landon

ChaoticDiva Mornign baby how are you 🙂

WNBT:

i am sure some J and J people will be there but it will be about 1500 well employed black peopel getting druken and acting a fool because there is no work on Friday… it will be a GOOD party but get there early if you wanna come. Its going to be packed VERY GOOD PARTY!

2 07 2008
Lia

@ST—hahaahhahaha! I have seen that same Brad/Chad fight! I surely did sit back thinking “what in the hell?” and just laughin.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

i call that impressive. If he stood back and let her handle it without thinking of jumping in though i would say he suffers from b!tch@ssness.

ST- explaining the reason why crosscultural fights end up with only 1 party going to jail.

2 07 2008
Landon

1. FEMA
2. .PORK CHOPS
3. NIGGA MOMENTS

leading cause of death lol

2 07 2008
Mrs.Epps

speaking of Lacrosse..back in high school there was mad hazing going on at our school esp with the guy teams…this one kid was being hazed my some dudes in my grade and they shoved the stick up his ass…to make a long story short.. dude’s ass gotta be fucked up ahaha and the guys that did it to him got expelled and was sent to military school. White kids do some crazy ass shit…

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

haha brad and chad.

hmm i am normally suspicous of well employed black people seasoned with jack and jill. And honestly I should be packing to go to DC tomorrow night. It sounds dubious. very dubious. Although with enough liquor even the uppity sometimes remember how to get down.

2 07 2008
Bailey Blues

Awww Landon you know Adam!!!

Yeah, I’m just catching up. White men think nothing can happen to them in this world. The cops are their very own S1Ws, what’s sad is, it’s actually true.

I’m in NY…what’s the deets on the party?

2 07 2008
Esquire

Esquire:

Um i don’t agree with you. I got some white friends i played football with that i would want on my squad of a fight anyday of the week. Esp. my Irish friends when they get a little DRUNk… Its not easy to knock out those MoFos and they are crazy in teh head…

@ Landon: Your friends would be the exceptions I am talking about. Athletes, superwomen, body builders, poor whites with extremely hard lives.

However, the regular Joe and Becky could not and would not kick my ass or MOST black people I know.

(sorry Im behind…busy day at work)

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

pun intended mrs. epps? why do white men have this ass hazing fetish. As if sodomy is a rite of passage for them?

2 07 2008
4m_no_2_dc

white people always take shit to the next level, mrs.epps…
example:
non-white people:regular porn
white people: 2 girls and a cup.

2 07 2008
vitazza

Mrs. Epps
You KRAZY ahahaaaa. I will not be hurting my ands in some nukka’s face. Oh, NO! I did throw a 13″ TV @ my husband cause he was really bothering me and wouldn’t let some naggin ass shit go. I don’t remember what. Now i had three younger brother’s and they are all much taller than me and so I have also been quite aware if my limits with dealing with big(in size) brothers and I don’t like getting my face mushed! I don’t fight boys but I can defend my damn ass!! haa

2 07 2008
Amadeo

I notice no one has mentioned the other scenario:

Dude out with girl, something happens and dude ends up in a fight with another dude because she started running her mouth.

I tell the ladies I have no problem hitting someone (after a work day I want to) but don’t start no shit that I have to finish. I knew some girls that were famous for that…calling from the club: “Umm ya’ll better come down here so and so got drunk and got into it with some dudes.”

2 07 2008
4m_no_2_dc

wnbt…
it cause all white men are really gay inside.

2 07 2008
8th Wonder

Throwing tv’s is gangsta.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

yea, also don’t fuck with a chick that has nothing but brothers. You will be surprised with accuracy and expediency she will resort to physical violence.

2 07 2008
Bailey Blues

throwing tvs is tough! and then to not remember what it was for…

2 07 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

Funniest YT dude fight I’ve witnessed:

Mardi Gras, New Orleans, 2003.
Decatur Street in front of Jax Brewery

Some random white dude in an afro wig walked up to one of the females in the crowd and said “I just had to come over here and tell you what nice tits you have.” Well, her boyfriend wasn’t too happy about this and a shouting and shoving match ensued. “Dude! Fuck you!” over and over again…Cups and bottles of beer began flying everywhere as the rest of the group tried to help beat up fro guy/break up the fight. However, the girlfriend was knocked down to the ground in all the chaos with a big ass cup of beer splashing on her. So, the boyfriend begins to beat up his friend for knocking his girlfriend down. Out of nowhere, about NO Cops begin arresting the group. The guy in the Afro wig who started all this looked around with this “Who me?” look on his face and walked the fuck off like nothing happened…

Me and one of my friends (YT dude BTW) were sitting on the other side chilling looking at all this. Of course, my friend says, “Dude, we oughta tell the police something!” I looked at him like he head 3 heads and said, “Yeah, so my black ass will get arrested for watching…” and walked the hell off.

Well, later that night on Bourbon Street, I see Afro-Wig man walking around having a good ol time, and I was thinking about that poor group of people who were probably at the drunk tank.

Oh well…

2 07 2008
8th Wonder

Amadeo,

what if its a case where guy disrespects girl, and she says something to him about it? Does that constitute a girl “starting shit” then expecting you to fix it?

I ask because I had an issue with this dude in the middle of DC, he was poppin off at me for NO reason, and I’m not the kind of girl that just stands there and lets you do that, so I had to cuss his ass out, but my boys took it from there. I didnt start it, but I still expected them to hold me down, because they’re men, and clearly this man was in my face. is that wrong?

2 07 2008
ChaoticDiva

Hi Landon!

…but yea. On the white person tip…I had a friend in h.s. who was a white girl who pretty much thought she was black, and she got into a fight her junior year with this 4’11”, 80 lb freshman (who happened to be black)…mind you, my girl was 5’4″ and like a good 145-ish (thick, but not fat). She beat the shit out of the girl and then had the balls to get arrogant because she beat up a black girl.

…I don’t think she ever actually took a physics class. The law of size has alot to do with her win…

2 07 2008
Amadeo

@ 8th

Nope…I’d do more talking when it was just me then in that situation…that’s a freebie. Male friends get to whoop his ass. I’m saying those “some little forgetable thing” happens. She can’t let it go and get’s loud first, dude eventually has to come back (hard to walk away from a loud woman cussing you out for something small). Then you as the male friend are thinking…”I can’t let him do that…but she was wrong and you end up in some shit.”

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

8th Wonder (15:52:53) :

Throwing tv’s is gangsta.

Proper response: it was only a 13″…

2 07 2008
vitazza

@WNBT,
I will take my points and Move to Montauk!! That is the only way Imma get outta this town!!! I hope other Black People will come cause I will surely be alone….. or I could leave the US all together and whine like my baby brother dose about how BALTIMORE IS THE SHIZNET OVER MELBOURNE!!! WTF I don’t see it ( some one is home sick 😦 )

I goin to Montauk gimme my points back!

2 07 2008
Mrs.Epps

yes they do take it to the next level smh so sad…and eww 2 girls and a cup..anyone ever seen thats shit.. gag….makes my stomach turn thinking about it lol. yea vitazza i didnt want to do it but slapping him wasnt good enough. but damn you threw a tv at him.. thats ballsyyyyyyyy LOVE IT… reminds me of when i threw a lint brush at my man’s head for being a freaking drunk dickhead. and see i was captin of my varsity softball team and was pitcher soo umm yea… lets just say i didnt miss his head and he had this big ass bruise on his forehead for a whole week ahaha… i got a bad temper 🙂

he claims that i poured a whole bottle of hair spritz on his head as well but i dont remember that ahah

2 07 2008
8th Wonder

Yeah, thats never cool. Women should shut up.

2 07 2008
8th Wonder

@WNBT

BUT IT WAS STILL A TV!

LOL

2 07 2008
gabrieloneverything

Hah. I went on a scavenger hunt one time (don’t ask, white friends, I grew up in KY…) and one of them was to kiss a girl with green hair. So we walked around this real hippie place and found this girl with green hair. My jungle aids (worse than jungle fever) at the time kicked in and my friends got a picture of me kissing her with their cellphones. This white guy started mean muggin me, but we all laughed at him and walked away (everyone in our group except the black people were over 6’0…and the remaining three of us were black).

Like twenty minutes later after that mess was done he pulls up in some beat up station wagon and yells “Dude, get your own f*cking girlfriend!” we ran up on him and he must have hit like 70 to get away from us. Ahhh memories…and white folk.

2 07 2008
ChaoticDiva

lol @ throwing a tv. The most damage I’ve done is throw a big ass dictionary at this dude who called me hoe or bitch or something like that.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

You get no points until a full report on what the hell and where the hell Montauk is is filed and reviewed. Then you may be awarded extra points in either category.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

If you’re not willing to throw a 27″ at someone then you just don’t love them enough…. LOL

nah tv was gangsta. Esp if it had rabbit ears.

2 07 2008
Esquire

8th wonder,
It depends on the type of guy you are with. If you are with a guy who knows you can handle yours and then walk away from the situation. You are cool to cuss a dude out.

If you are with someone over protective, or a knight in shining armour, sometimes its better to just walk the hell away. My husband will get all defensive and, I think, he will bust someone in the mouth. (even though he says that would only happen if I was touched or called out my name). If someone tries to holla at me or says something inappropriate, I roll my eyes and walk away from the situation.

Mostly cause Im too grown to care, secondly because my husband is not grown enough not to care. He is extremely protective and defensive of me, our child, and his family, even when we are dead wrong. lol. He was raised in the deep south and doesnt even let me open the car door, much less get disrespected by a man. Moral of the story, dont go out with your man (we tend to do the blockbuster, chicken and beer date) or go out with a man who wont care if you defend yourself.

2 07 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

When I went home for the holidays, my brother and cousin thought it would be a good idea to show my dad “2 Girls 1 Cup” to see his reaction. Well, I pulled it up and fucked his Christmas Eve all up. He was dry heaving in the toilet and damn near told me to leave and spend the night at my grandma’s house.

The whole rest of the week, he would give my brother and I this look, and would say “I’m prayin for ya’ll sick asses!”

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

especially if it were his tv.

2 07 2008
Esquire

Hmmm, better moral, let it go. You know you are better than that.

2 07 2008
Esquire

two girls and a cup??
ew…just…I dont want to know

2 07 2008
Mrs.Epps

I hate the girlfriends that hype stuff up…sometimes women need to stfu and sit down. I had a friend like that when ever i went out with her and her man there was always a freaking fight! She aint even that damn cute and barely has body hhahah whats all the fuss about.

I remember once i slapped this guy in the club for squeezing my ass when i walked passed and then his girl got in my face like i stepped to her. Im like WHOOOAAAAAA BROOO(this thing my guys friends and I say in the most yt boy voice to ppl) she got heated thinking i was calling her a dude…girl is like a buck 05 about 5’2 tryna fight my 5’10 175 pound ass YOUR KIDDING RIGHT?!! i laughed and walked off while she continued to talk shit.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

damn rev. you didn’t have the sense to wait until after xmas. You know since you were a kid if you fucked up christmas eve presents would not come out of the crawlspace. tsk tsk tsk.

for the record i have never seen 2girls1cup, the rkelly video or anything else with a reputation for causing instantaneous vomititus. I will get absoulutely disproportionately angry at anyone who tricks me into seeing that shit. Because i have an active imagination and dream most nights. I enjoy my sleepytime dreams and will forever hate anyone who ruins them.

2 07 2008
Monie

I’ve never had a fight, so this is just conjecture. I think who wins a fight has a lot to do with who is most afraid and who is most over-confident.

I’ve seen a few fights. And in all of them the guy that everyone thought was gonna get is butt kicked ended up winning. If a person is really afraid, they just might reach the point of thinking they have nothing to lose. A person who feels they have nothing to lose is dangerous.

Just ask Suge Knight. Lmaoooo

2 07 2008
vitazza

Throwing A TV is NOT gansta!! I know Iknow! There are times when you must let a person know that you will not be brow-beaten or fucked with…my husband is from NY he don’t fuck around and I’m from Baltimore and can’t have nobody roll over me.
Nuff said!! We got noooo problems he is way kool with me as I am with him!!!
As he says you grew up with THREE brothers!!! I can handle me and mine but I am not violent I am the biggest geek around.

2 07 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

2 Girls 1 Cup was bad…

…but believe it or not, there are even worse ones out there than that one.

2 07 2008
gabrieloneverything

Say it aint so Suge…

2 07 2008
Bailey Blues

you don’t want to see 2 girls 1 cup. my ex tricked me into seeing the first 5 seconds and i definitely thought my stomach was about to come out my throat….gross!

2 07 2008
Esquire

LOL Mrs Epps!
When I was in college, some girl was talking shit to one of the guys I was with, and even though I had NOTHING to do with it..she says “I will whup yo bitche’s ass”
Um, Im not his “bitch” and Im just tryna get to the bar and get a brew. YOU TWO can fight all night if ya wanna. People should learn to just walk away sometimes.
Isnt going out supposed to be fun? not a test of your hoodratness?

2 07 2008
Omar Muhammad

@Vitazza – you sound like my wife who flipped a table over and swung a chair at me because I wasn’t “listening” to her :-0

2 07 2008

Morning black people.

2 07 2008
Esquire

Just ask Suge Knight. Lmaoooo

Going to lunch on THAT note. That was some funny ish

2 07 2008
Lisa M. Turtle

1. I died at the Pagoda hat… DIED.
2. I’m like Esquire… Whenever I’m drunk and nearing a fight my words are usually, “LOOK BITCH, IF WE FIGHT I WILL FUCK YOU UP. IF I GOTTA GO TO JAIL OVER IT I’M GONNA BEAT YOUR ASS TIL THEY GET HERE!”

2 07 2008
Mrs.Epps

i dry heaved when i saw it for the 1st time too Rev…i was utterly disgusted in those chicks…chicks who do that willingly need jesus. esp the ones that have the shit in their mouth and then swap it with the other chick..stopppp ittt!

2 07 2008
8th Wonder

Esquire,

I agree with you on the walking away, but man sometimes, you have to let people know what time it is. This is what causes over-confident irresponsible people (not just YT’s) in the first place. If that had been me, I dont know if I could have walked away from her calling me his bitch. You are my new e-hero.

2 07 2008
Yonnie3k

Rev – isn’t your dad a preacherman? How could you?

2 07 2008
Jo

Why’d you have to mention 2girls1cup? I haven’t even seen it, but a friend of mine describing it was enough to make me dry heave.

Throwing a tv is no joke. Precision with it takes practice.

2 07 2008
ChaoticDiva

Hi Ne!

As for 2 girls 1 cup, as many times as my bro tried to trick me into watching it, I would annoy the shit out of him with a ton of questions until I uncovered his motive.

I have successfully dodged watching another viral piece of crap video.

2 07 2008

I have put my hands on my ex and thank god he didn’t hit me back.

2 07 2008
8th Wonder

LMAO @ Omar’s wife.

Sometimes you just gotta let a black man know that you’re crazy ONE time..thats usually all it takes.

2 07 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

Supposedly, 2 Girls 1 Cup is one big elaborate fake. They allegedly enema’d the girls and put some sort of cake mix/peanut butter up their cornhole, so its not real shit.

But it’s still.Fucking.Gross…

BTW, to my DC Facebook folks, I left a message for ya’ll about something.

2 07 2008
Mrs.Epps

Esquire-Isnt going out supposed to be fun? not a test of your hoodratness?

Omar- you sound like my wife who flipped a table over and swung a chair at me because I wasn’t “listening” to her :-0

Lisa Turtle-LOOK BITCH, IF WE FIGHT I WILL FUCK YOU UP. IF I GOTTA GO TO JAIL OVER IT I’M GONNA BEAT YOUR ASS TIL THEY GET HERE!”

Dead at all the above!!!

Omar my man swears up and down that one night when we were drunk and fighting i flipped the latter down the stairs…im like WTF umm NOOOoooo i think i would remember some crazy shit like that!! ahahha

Im not that crazy….

2 07 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

@Yonnie:

He USED to be a preacher. He retired after 25 years

2 07 2008
Monie

…waiting patiently for the 2 girls and a cup convo to end…

2 07 2008
Lisa M. Turtle

“Oh yea, i hate that, I can talk shit attitude some bitches get, because there’s a black girl in the crew. bitch i just came to party tonight, I don’t know you, we haven’t bonded over liquor. I’m not backing your crazy ass up in a fight. Don’t let your mouth start shit your ass can’t handle.”

OMG willnotbetelevised… Can I put this on business cards to hand out to the various friends of friends rolling with my white girl friends who think OHH SHIT… NOW’S THE TIME TO START SHIT WITH THAT MIXED GIRL/LATINA THAT HE LEFT ME FO CAUSE I ROLLED WITH A DARKY TONIGHT? I will totally credit.

2 07 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

Changing the subject:

I think BME Pain olympics is WAY worse than 2 Girls 1 Cup…

(ha ha ha, jiggity jiggity)

2 07 2008
puff

@ ne – damn, what did he do? how bad did you hurt him? (am i wrong for asking all these questions)

last time i hurt a dude i had to be carried bodily away from him. i’m happy to report that was well over a year ago, and we’re actually pretty good friends now, restraining order aside.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

me and monie are sitting quietly with our hands folded. And no one is paying attention.

2 07 2008

I usually NEVER get into it with females when I am out. I usually ignore them. \

I have had to punch a girl in the face though for putting her fingers in my face asking me “DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?”. Well I didn’t CARE who she was. She stepped on my toes 2 times so i made it my business to step on hers. After she put her nasty fingers in my face I punched the shit our of her and of course the punkassness in her pulled my hair. So I grabbed her face and squeeeezed her face until she let go, then i got air lifted out of the club.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

How good is good friends when there is a restraining order out. Doesn’t that mean he doesn’t scream when he sees you anymore?

2 07 2008
Monie

“then i got air lifted out of the club.” – Né

Lol

2 07 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

Anyone ever witness a fight at church? Those are the best ones.

2 07 2008
Mrs.Epps

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOx a million@ Ne’s story.. hells yea…I ❤ you for that one too funny..

2 07 2008
Monie

If I knew where a church was that had fights on a regualr basis then I might actually start going to church. Lol

2 07 2008
Yonnie3k

I’ve never seen 2 girls one cup, but I love watching the reaction videos on youtube

2 07 2008

puff he call me a bitch during an argument so I said okay! I drove to where he was at. He was leaning in the back seat behind the driver’s seat of someones car running his mouth with the door open, I came from behind reached back to africa and punched him in his ear and the side of his face.

He couldn’t hear for 3 days out of that ear.

2 07 2008
Bailey Blues

@ NE – oh shiiiiit!!! hilarious! i just picture you knocking the shit out of him in the car!!!

2 07 2008
Sister Toldja

Landon- Yup. That is my homie. I figured you’d know him (Black, elite, Harlem), lol!

Me and Bailey are probably staying in NYC this weekend, so hit us with party deets on FB!

2 07 2008
vitazza

Ok it was a Flat screen White TV…..It was special because my husband is an Interior Design FREEEEAK ArcDigest, Metropolian Home, Dwell, everywhere must have the baddest newest Most streamline HOME Everything is lovely…blah.. I like it that way OK, but I don’t need more shit!! His yackin got on my nerves I am quick tempered and knew he would just go DUHHHH If I broke anything especially if it was expensive.. so I threw it at his head and it hit the wall…done.

@WNBT
Montauk is the Furthest end of Long Island Beautiful I will live there for Damn Sure just a mile from the Lighthouse.
Can I have my points back even tho I’ll throw a TV @ a brother!

2 07 2008
vitazza

Hey Ne’ Hits brotha’s too!!!

2 07 2008

I swear I am not violent. I have only had four fights in my whole life. Two of which i just shared and one when I was 9 and in high school a girl wanted to fight me so I had to. To this day I don’t know what it was about. All I know is the guy who asked me to homecoming was talking to her.

“I aint a killa, but don’t push me.”

2 07 2008
puff

goddamn, ne. do you do security work?

2 07 2008
Mrs.Epps

damn Ne..you gangsta as shit! I’ll call you to handle my light-work ahaha

2 07 2008
vitazza

See yall cause damage I just give the illusion of physical damge

2 07 2008
Yonnie3k

LOL @ I ain’t a killa, but don’t push me

2 07 2008

Mind you bailey I am petite and all ifhis friends were outside. I had no business hitting a grown man. He could have kicked my ass, but I was angry.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Hmm i was going to forfeit your points for TV chucking but it was just a flat screen and that doesn’t count for gangsta at all. Especially since you only had a 13″ flatty. Go ahead and move, pass go and collect 200bourghie points and meet landon for some baked chicken, wine and cheese

2 07 2008

lol mrs. epps

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

plus 2 bourghie points for destroying a flat screen tv, no matter the size.

2 07 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

Damn Ne!

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

awww ST i thought you were going to come down and throw down with mz. creole. How many 5 year olds can you take in a fight anyway? Hmm if you and bailey maybe showing up it might turn the tide of the jack and jill crew. I now consider…

2 07 2008
vitazza

@WNBT
Yes I win!!!
I know flat screens are minimal in weight…it s just the shock you are inflicting that matters most.

2 07 2008
Prime Minister Cinema

life is some strange and wikedly adventurous shit, especially as seen thru the eyes of a black/minority man. we don’t have to seek adventure. all we have to do is go about our normal way and we will certainly get caught up in some adventurous shit. funny shit Chris, keep ur eyes open.

2 07 2008
Breez

In addition to white entitlement, I often encounter what I like to call, “The Caucasian Director.” This is a person who is, of course, typically Caucasian, wiith no authority or knowledge whatsoever, however, they will quickly give instructions as to what to do, where you should be, what line you should go to. However, this is almost invariably done, not because it is correct, or out of any concern for you, but rather, because it will somehow further the immediate interest/benefit of the CD.

That being said, I don’t take for granted that a white person is necessarily an easy win. On the flip side of that coin, they shouldn’t take for granted that I’ve known how to knuckle up since I was out the womb. I’m not for being a bully, but I have little to no patience for suburban sass.

2 07 2008
Bailey Blues

I know how that can be.

My only real fight (with someone who wasn’t my sister) was in 7th grade. This boy used to get on my nerves everyday saying some smart shit. So, one day I’m in the front of the class talking with my friends while my teacher was teaching. He was in the back of the class and said something I didn’t like. So I walked to the back of the class, pass the people playing spades in the middle of the room and punched the shit out of his back as he’s hunched over his desk. Well, like a dumb ass, I turn around and walk back to my seat thinking I’m a girl, he aint going to hit me back…HAHA! That fool rushed me like he was on defense and I was a quarterback. We fell into some desk and was scrapping. I didn’t stop swinging since he was WAAAAAAY bigger than me and he would have killed me if I didn’t. Since this was the worst class in school, they had locked the door and my teacher was just crying in the front. We fought forever! Finally, we were broken up and the assistant principal came and got us. This mf-er was boo hooing and I was looking at him like what the hell is wrong with you? Suspended for 3 days for starting the fight. When I got back everyone was like I beat his ass. He transferred.

Most embarrassing thing, my dad said I got in a fight on the podium as he was preaching that weekend. He was actually gloating! I was so embarrassed!

2 07 2008
Breez

I neglected to mention that I do agree. There are a lot of folks that saw fight club, or looked at some bad ass white girl on a talk show and thought that was their blueprint. That rarely ends well.

2 07 2008
Monie

“pass the people playing spades in the middle of the room”

Lol

2 07 2008

Bailey,

You probably have thrown more punches in that one fight, then me in my four fights.

2 07 2008
Yonnie3k

Bailey, that reminds me of a story that my cousin likes to tell about my grandmother, Lord rest her soul. Apparently, my cousin kept coming home day after day crying b/c some boy was picking on her at school. Finally, my grandmother was like, “If you come in here one more day crying about that boy, I’mma beat your ass. You don’t LET people treat you any ole kind way.” Well, next day at school, sure enough this boy starts in on her. It was either beat his ass or get her ass beat. He lost.

2 07 2008
vitazza

By People,
I Took the day off so, you all Have a wonderful day!

2 07 2008
Sister Toldja

NE! Your fight stories are hilarious! I’ve managed to go 24 years without putting a scratch on this pretty face. I used to say that fighting, like sports, was for ugly women and lesbians. But many of the attractive women I know have ended up fighting.

I did punch a man in the face once at the Common Share (RIP).

2 07 2008
Landon

Sista Toldja i am having a pool party in Jersey on Saturday if you have a car…

and i throwing a party at Branch tomorrow night with the 3 kings Adam will be there!

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

bailey blues, ST are you guys going to see afrikaa bambaata this weekend?

sorry you guys i was looking up summer stage cuz someone told me jill scott and wyclef were going to be there this year and videomusicbox is hosting a concert and now im mad b.c. jill isnt’t going to be free.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

why did i say sorry. I guess i’m feeling apologetic today.

2 07 2008
Amadeo

My mother beat some boys ass as a child cause he chased her home and her older brother told her “You beat his ass or I beat your ass”.

Dudes ass got beat…my uncle is too big to test the theory.

2 07 2008
Mrs.Epps

AHH Bailey’s story reminds me off the 1st time i slapped the shit out of a boy. I was in 7th grade as well and it was a t a school dance and this asshole got in my face for no reason talking shit so i slapped the taste out his mouth and made him bite it tounge…he ran like a bitch and told one of the teachers i hit him…The teacher was like did you hit so and so I said yes and i will do it again if he gets in my face like that again…she said dont do it again or you have to leave im like aight and dipped back to my friends lol.

I remember when this little bitch on the bus kept throwing her snotty ass tissue in my seat and it landed in my lap. Im like STOp she did it again her and her dumbass friend laughing so this time i took the tissue and throw/ hit her in the face with it…then she proceeded to try and grab me byt the arm so i pulled her hair and banged it against the seat a good 6 times really hard until she let go…she never fucked with me again…

I miss middle school and watch the girls fight in the hallway too hilarious

one fight be tween bestfriends i will never forget it we all still talk about it. ONe big girl one skinny big girl was going to town on ol girl.. i mean she had the chick in a head lock and upper cutting her ass HILARITY at it’s finest

2 07 2008

lol ST!

I don’t deal with pain very well. I was lucky no one ever hit me in my face.

2 07 2008
Knatural

If I saw a dude wearing a Rayden Hat, I wouldn’t fight him.

2 07 2008

lol knat. I would never fight anyone from somoa or tonga.

The kids are born weight 145 lbs 5 oz. and 64 inches. I can’t do it.

2 07 2008
Jo

Hahaha…well, I’ve never been in a fight in all of my 23 years, but I’ve got scrapping in my blood.

In grade school my momma once stabbed the girl sitting in front of her with a pencil because she kept flipping her hair onto Mom’s desk.

On my Dad’s side, my aunt had one of those big construction worker-type metal lunchboxes and she would use it to knock the mess out of people who screwed with her younger brothers. No lie.

2 07 2008
Landon

ne:

i am concerned seeing how you me and Chaotic diva just got into a relationship and i was not made aware of yoru temper or tendency to staert domestic abuse, do we need to talk about this…

Because in the words of Chris Rock – i’ll never hit a chick – but i ll sure shake the shit out of a chick.

2 07 2008
Sister Toldja

Hold on, WNBT- me and Bailey are sooooo far from the Jack and Jill Crew status! We exist in a very unique world, We are the Black Militant Boughtetto Crew of Bed Stuy!!!!

DC is not out of the question, at this point. But confidence is low, lol

2 07 2008
Knatural

What’s Jack and Jill Crew status?

2 07 2008
Jo

Knat, I was just wondering the same thing.

2 07 2008
puff

@ landon goddaaaamn quit throwing all these parties when i’m not in new york *pouts jealously in the corner*

2 07 2008
Sister Toldja

THREE KINGS??? HELLLLLLL NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Sorry, I love Adam like cooked food, but I don’t do thosesorts of events. Where men ask you “So, who do you work for? What school did you go to? How’s your investment portfolio looking?” before taking your number. My light skin can only get me but so far with those kinds of men, you know? When I lose about 20 more pounds and grow my “mixed girl hair” out a little longer, I may hit the scene up. I can get a few free drinks in before they realize I’m not one of them and I have to start running for the door before they beat me to death with their MacBook Air’s and empty $500 Grey Goose bottles.

WNBT- I might be going. Rock rock planet rock….

2 07 2008
Sister Toldja

Knat- former member of a club, Jack and Jill, for the children of *typically* upper middle class Black folk. I don’t diss them, a lot of my friends were members…..I am just a very different breed of sister.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

nah ST, rewind. I said if you and bailey were going to make an appearance that would tilt the party away from the guaranteed Jack and Jill affair that I fear would be a Landon landmark. Thats what makes the idea of this party better. Unfortunately I get lazy about going into the city somedays. Being that I am a B&T person….

2 07 2008

**weighing

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

meh, i’m not friends with any actual past members but those who get excited about putting their imaginary children into it in the future annoy the shit out of me. I don’t fit with that crew and i’m constantly surrounded by them in school. And i told ya’ll my pokerface sucks and i will give people the stinkeye without knowing it half the time.

2 07 2008

You see landon I was young when all of this happened. Our relationship will be fine. Just don’t call me a bitch.

2 07 2008
Landon

So are you mad that brothas want more then just looks? They want to know that you are driven and so on and thats a problem…

YOu mad because your DOUBLE Ds just dont cut it anymore…

hang with me and my peoples you will be so drunk you might even go home with somone…

2 07 2008
puff

—> sidenote on the actual topic of irresponsible white men: as a rule, i generally do not fuck with them, but there is one who can absolutely get it anytime, anyhow he wants: marat safin. – and yes, i’m a bougie lil tennis watching nerd (im home watching wimbledon, which i’m pretty sure no one stateside does) but let me indulge, i had a long day

2 07 2008
Knatural

I’m still confused by Jack and Jill? Soooo, it’s basically another form of division – bourjie from ghetto, EBP from non-EBP? *sigh*

2 07 2008
Esquire

grabbed her face and squeeeezed her face until she let go, then i got air lifted out of the club.

@NE: You get 25 to life for killing me just now.

Did I see someone write Jack and Jill?

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

hang with me and my peoples you will be so drunk you might even go home with somone… after he checks your credit score.

I can’t speak for ST but I’m talking about people who’s top 3 questions are
Name:
School:
Job:

I prefer to bond over some shared interests and whatnot. But then again i seem to meet nothing but broke people and students. Good at a party though.

2 07 2008
Yonnie3k

I heard you had to pass the paper bag test to get in jack and jill

2 07 2008
Mrs.Epps

LMAAOOOO@ Jo.. i actually witnessed one of my friends stab a kid in the back with his pencil 7 times in 6th grade and the same kid in 2nd grade threw his desk at our teacher.

2 07 2008
Esquire

Ahhh I see….
SisterToldja: this is usually how it goes:
Jack and Jill, then you grow up and be a Link and/or a Girlfriend. If you are a man you grow up to be in (INSERT CITY HERE)100 Black Men. i.e. Atlanta’s 100 Black Men, San Diego’s 100 Black Men.

Its okay to laugh at oneself right?

2 07 2008
Jen

What is wrong with throwing your children in Jack and Jill?? My mom HATES Jack and Jill and refused to put me and my sister in it. She let me attend ZERO Jack and Jill events and let my sister attend a whopping ONE.

85% of our friends were in Jack and Jill, so if she was trying to shield us from elitism, she failed miserably. Unless the plan is to hide your kids from other middle class Black people, they are going to be with Jack and Jillers!!

2 07 2008
ayo

I was in Jack & Jill.
My mom was a Link…
My dad was a Que and a Phd.
I met a lot of community activists/leaders who inspired me there.
I understand why it gets a bad wrap but I enjoyed myself.
lol.

2 07 2008
Nick

Ever since I saw “Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless MInd” I’ve wanted to visit Montauk and see the light house.

Next time I’m in NYC I’m jumping on the LIRR and heading all the way out there!

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Upper middle class Jo. I grew up middle class and yes found other middle class blacks but I didn’t even know about jack and jill until I went to college and met upper class black people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_and_Jill_%28organization%29 for Knat.

2 07 2008
Esquire

Yonnie:
You dont have to pass the paper bag test, they dont care about that. You have to pass the pay the ridiculous dues and make sure one of the parents is a doctor, lawyer, or successful businessman. LOL. The same qualifications for the other groups I mentioned.

It is kind of like Greek Life. The organization is meant for a different purpose and a lot of members stick to that purpose, but there are a LARGE amount who use it as a status thing.

2 07 2008
puff

@ wnbt

hang with me and my peoples you will be so drunk you might even go home with somone… after he checks your credit score.

hahahahahahahaha i know right, doing it all slickly on the iphone so nobody knows what’s going on…

2 07 2008
Landon

i hate how people try to to use divise words…

hell college can be considered divise same as education.

Jacj and jill is a family orgainzation which introduced children and failies to other like families. Esp in times when when are desegregated its essential that BLACK kids seeotehr Succesful black men and women so they know what they can strive for. As much as i pushed and kicked away the notion of jack and jill the happier i am i was apart of it. A lot of my friends and networking were apart of J & j to this day. WHen used right J and J has been a positive influence on the black community (but just like any organization HBCU , Greek or so on it has its bad times)… I will make sure my children are in because i know at the end of the day it is for the better good. Its always a catch 22 with black folks… even when you are doing GOOD you are doing Bad… its like we apoloigze or feel a black person can not be refined or that black person drinking a 1955 pinot Noir is agains the black code and i am tired of that mentality and bull shit. Now jack and hjill at one time like many other black organization had (mostly in the south) the paper bag test similari to Fisk and Hampton university did back in the day… I apologize for their past but i will not apologize for what they have done in the last 25 years!

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

sorry not Jo, Jen

2 07 2008
Knatural

WNBT – exactly. If anyone asks me what I do or what school I attended, I’ll punch them in the neck, Bruce Lee style.

2 07 2008
Bailey Blues

sorry impromptu meeting…back. i got what you were saying Knat. I’m down to kick it at everything this weekend. Landon, I’ll hit your J&J party. I always get nice and drunk for free with the Black elite lol.

2 07 2008
Esquire

I loved every minute of Jack and Jill and am the youngest Link in my chapter. But I did not and DO not enjoy that people automatically assume Im stuck up.

I do, however, see how it gets a bad wrap.

2 07 2008
Esquire

ahhh JEN!! See I KNEW we could agree on something! Hi-five

2 07 2008
Sister Toldja

Landon- Vomit vomit vomit. I judge men on looks, intelligents, personality, life goals….but I wouldn’t ask a potenial mate about investments or credit score. And I wouldn’t judge someone harshly (as some of your folks do) if they went to a state school or one of the less ‘elite’ HBCUs (cause we know some of our people only consider HU, Hampton and SpellHouse “acceptable”).

It’s not that my TRIPLE D’s are not enough, it’s that I’m a bohemian chick, an artist and former educator. I am not the AmEx carrying, JP Morgan working for, Ballenciaga bag coveting girl men like y’all prefer. I wore dreads for three years. I don’t think I am Carrie Bradshaw. I would probably politely decline an invitation for my kids to join Jack And Jill, and put them in an African-centered rites of passage program instead. Not to say I could never find love with one of y’all, but it is unlikely.

Partying with pretentious people in Manhattan just isn’t fun to me. And I’m sure one of your folks would be happy to go home drunk with me, and be up in time to go meet some high-toned, fashion buyer named Bethany with an illustirous Black elite bloodline for lunch the next day. I’ll pass.

2 07 2008
Esquire

Does anyone know what Mocha Moms is?? THAT is what I would love…lol
Black Soccer Moms.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Yes esquire, I feel about it like I do about greek life. Well less so. Its the people I meet who can’t wait to get the bourgeoisie-card that annoy the shit out of me. Who think Jack and Jill is a country club they have to belong to and its all about status. I was surprised at how many ‘professional’ black people and graduate students are like that. It was sad. but now i’m gunshy about professional school parties and gatherings with young black professionals b.c. i fear i will tested on my ability not to scream at people.

2 07 2008
puff

sorry what’s the paper bag test?

2 07 2008
Landon

sorry anger was over taking while writing that chicken scratch!!!

At the end of the day its an organization used for positive reasoning. I here people talk more shit about Jack and Jill then the bloods and crypts and i just don’t understand why. Our parents put us in the organization and for the right reasons.

In this world you move up by who you know more so then what you know. J and J has provided me with a endless network of black executives and opportunities more so then any other organization i have been a part of.

2 07 2008
Knatural

I feel so ignorant. I’ve never heard of Jack and Jill, aside from those fools that rolled down a hill fetching a pail of water.

2 07 2008
Knatural

Oh, and all women (girls) are stuck-up in some way. We need to stop fooling ourselves…

2 07 2008
Jen

You know, I think my mom wouldn’t do J&J because of the paper bag thing. My mom and I are both dark skinned, and tries her best to be a Field Negro. She is DST, and about died when my sister, who is light skinned, expressed mild interest in the OTHER sorority.

2 07 2008
Sister Toldja

I typed intelligents!!! BWAHAHAHHA!

I am not a hater of J&J, Links, Girlfriends, etc. I am a hater of snobs. There are snobs living in the projects, who think they are better than the other girls because their Jordans are the best and they only date men with FRESH Air Force Ones, no creases. There are bohemian snobs who think they are the best because they have the best locs and amber rings.

I don’t confuse having standards, goals and accomplishments with being snobbish. I see snobs as people who set themselves as a standard by which to diss and look down upon other people. I’d love to hang with Esquire, because she is a damn cool person with intelligence to spare. I think it’s dope that she is a Link, because I can imagine what sort of Link she would be.

2 07 2008
Esquire

lol WNBT
It kinda sad, because those groups do have a lot to offer. A lot of my childhood memories are based on Jack and Jill conventions, meetings, activities, etc. As a Link, I go to all the meetings and believe in our fundraisers because we give mostly to schools in Jamacia and Haiti as well as our local domestic violence shelter. I love my chapter of my sorority, because we DO try really hard to do community service. (we can party too, now)
I am not a member of Girlfriends, and actually have no idea what they do except throw elaborate parties??? Does anyone know?

I wish those people who saw that as “I’ve arrived” groups would get out and start thier own club called “Im betta than YOU nigga”

2 07 2008
Esquire

I dont get the paper bag test you all are saying they have. I am darkskinned. about Gabby Unions complexion to put it in perspective. Im a member of all those groups, and not the only one.
(sigh) IDK

2 07 2008
Jen

ESQUIRE: me and one of my gfs are joining Mocha Moms this year!! I was hesitant to do it at first because I was positive I’d be the youngest thing there, but now that my gf had her baby, I’m doing it.

Do you do Mocha Moms??

2 07 2008
Landon

WNBT:

If you don’t want to associate with those organizations thats on you… However you are cutting yourself off from a network that is more likely going to assist you more so then another organization.

there are assholes in every group from thugs to rich bastards. To blanket and sterotype an organization is no less ignorant then white peopel thinging all black people are stupid and lazy.

2 07 2008
Sister Toldja

Landon- I threw that out there once on an egroup with a group of friends. That we should fight the REAL enemy (the Bloods and Crips*) and not Jack and Jill. I don’t diss the org, but I do knock the pretentiousness of some of it’s alums. Same as I diss some of the former Black Panther Party members for living in the past. Or fellow HU grads for thinking they are better than Bethune Cookman alums.

*- I hate gangs, but I will say the Bloods around here show me more love than the bougie niggas do. They sweep my front yard AND pull my garbage cans back in after the trash man come AND they said I was allowed to kick it with them.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Yea, the fact that you have to be invited to join totally negates any of that BS about helping young black children see professionals. You have to be a professional and around professionals to be invited in the first place. That child is going to see professionals whether or not they join. That whole argument is shitacular. Grrr and the holier than thou we’re helping the kids mentality of it makes me want to vomit.

I can’t step on the networking aspect of it though. Thats the truth as it is with Greeks. And your kids wont be stuck up if you parent them properly. So joining the organization wont ruin a child or mean that you are uppity. However it is elitist. I would maybe like my children to go to a MXG school/camp to learn leadership values that help a community in need. Same diff without so much elitism.

BTW before Jen and landon get at me, elitist is anything that separates people from their group by chance of fortune and not inherent skills.

Not dogging Jack and Jillers but those looking forward to it due to its idea of social status make me nauseous.

2 07 2008
Mrs.Epps

Knat-I feel so ignorant. I’ve never heard of Jack and Jill, aside from those fools that rolled down a hill fetching a pail of water.

im with you this is the 1st time im hearing of this jack and jill bizz

and my family is upper middle class soo ummm yeaaa

2 07 2008
Esquire

Jen….

We really must talk. We got off to a rough start, but I at least know that your mother is an intelligent woman! 🙂

“My mom and I are both dark skinned, and tries her best to be a Field Negro. She is DST, and about died when my sister, who is light skinned, expressed mild interest in the OTHER sorority.”

What I love doing is being “educated” and not presenting myself like that all the time. Yea my name is Esquire on here, cause Im not that creative, but I try my damnest not tell people that or act like I think Im hot shit. I think people should be treated with respect whether they are esquires, teachers, doctors, trashmen, or Bob Johnson. (sike)

2 07 2008
Esquire

Jen,
I live in SC. There is a chapter in Gville, not in Columbia where I live. I thought it was only for housewives? Is it open for all mothers??? Please tell me more!!!

2 07 2008
Landon

Esquire back in the 40s and 50s it was recognized by organizations that only Light skin Negros would be the first to be accepted in to main stream (a la WEB Dubois)… so to better the chance or success they wanted educated light skin blacks in the organization because at the time it was the best way to move up in the world.

So they would take a paper brown bag and say you had to be the same complexion or lighter…. it was a figure of speech but you had to be a certain color. Back in the day Fisk university required pictures with all applications. It was believed they only wanted light skin students because they would have a better chance to break the color barrier in certain industries.

This was just the thinking of the people during a FUCKED UP time. My Grandmother God Rest Her soul wanted he son to marry a light skin black person because she wanted her Grand Children to be lighter. During her time and era she believed that if her grandchildren were lighter (even though she was DARK Brown) they would have a better life in this world
.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Yes landon, critical reading skills. I don’t like snobbery, i’ve experienced high levels of snobbery at events marketed as such, thus i don’t expect to enjoy myself if I go. Yes I understand the networking aspect, and I respect it, but I can only put on a happy face for so much and am willing to give up the networking in deference to enjoying a party.

2 07 2008
Yonnie3k

Whoa…Landon is as defensive about J&J as he is about his height (or lack thereof). F U NUCCA, I’LL KILL YOU!!! J&J IS A FAMILY ORGANIZATION!!! PLEASE BELIEVE ME!!

2 07 2008
Landon

FUCK IT WHY is one ashamed of being ELITE!

Peopel talking about they want a common man to president – no SEE BUSH –

i want an ELITE MAN / WOMAN to be President.

if i play sports i want to be ELITE ATHLETE. one can be elite with out being an ASSHOLE! We need more people to be ELITE and hold down certain things so the rest can catch up. LIKE Harvard they try to take the best so they can remain the best. But we do not fault Harvard for beign Elite. There are similar WHITE orgainzations that provide the same advantages to their children.

2 07 2008
ayo

Mocha Moms, Inc. is a support group for mothers of color who have chosen not to work full-time outside of the home in order to devote more time to their families. Mocha Moms serves as an advocate for those mothers and encourages the spirit of community activism within its membership.
mochamoms.org

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

HAHAH Yonnie! We know landon’s sensitive points
1. height
2. Greeks
3. Jack and Jill
4. Branding
5. Credit rating.

2 07 2008
Jen

MMs is open to everybody, now.

It used to only be for housewives, but now it is open to working mothers and everything in between.

2 07 2008
B4Prez

I know some of you’ll are J&J members, and thus, feel the need to explain it’s ‘positives’ to us lowly blacks, lol, but you’ll know better than any1 that J&J is just as elitist as any other black social organization with a long list of membership criteria. After reading the book ‘Our Kind of People’, I never looked at Atlanta the same…but it all started to make sense.

2 07 2008
Esquire

Yea, the fact that you have to be invited to join totally negates any of that BS about helping young black children see professionals. You have to be a professional and around professionals to be invited in the first place. That child is going to see professionals whether or not they join. That whole argument is shitacular. Grrr and the holier than thou we’re helping the kids mentality of it makes me want to vomit.

You know…that is a good point…hmmmm. I never thought about it. I dont think the goal of Jack and Jill is to help other children…just thier own. Thats a fair assessment. As for Links, I dont know why you have to be invited. But the people that are programs are meant to implement are even OLD enough to be invited.

I never thought about why you had to be invited to be in Jack and Jill.

2 07 2008
Esquire

ewww Landon.
I would not have been a member back in the day. I fail that paper bag test miserably

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Damnit Landon, I’m bout to call you a dipshit. HARVARD IS FAULTED FOR BEING ELITIST!!!!!!!!!! So is Yale, Princeton, Country Clubs and etc. That doesn’t stop people from wanting it. In fact Harvard works hard to quash that idea of elitism and talk about how many minorities and scholarship kids they have that got in not on chance of fortune but on inherent skills and thus are on equal level. And this b.s. about wanting an elitist president is bs. you don’t want a president who’s only bugging around with the upper mucks and doesn’t know enough of the real world to address the issues that face the majority of the country. Obama is a man of the people and not an elitist even though he went to harvard etc. Everyman doesn’t mean joe idiot and Elitist doesnt mean smart as a whip with leadership qualities.

2 07 2008
B4Prez

Nothing wrong with ‘being’ elite, the problem is when these ‘elites’ look down on blacks for not having the same opportunities that, 9/10, came about from them having a little bit more of massas blood line in their family.

2 07 2008
Knatural

Do Mocha Moms wear Rayden Hats? If so, I’m in!

2 07 2008

I’m with Knat and Mrs. Epps.

Other then jack and jill going up the hill. I never heard of this. I too come from an upper middle class family. So are my friends

2 07 2008
Jen

You know, I am leaning toward Landon’s point of view on elitism.

I think there are grades of elitism, and elitism has been traditionally associated with a negative grade. But, at the end of the day, elitism is about holding yourself and others to standards. There’s nothing inherently wrong with that.

2 07 2008
Randy Watson

A similar experience, my black ass was in an irish bar in nyc, why, because I was looking out for a friend of mine to make sure she wasn’t out in the city alone…but anyway the shot girl is walking by with a tray of shots and this white boy grabs one of her shots without paying. She notices, turns around and starts going off on him. He starts yelling and screaming at her and as I’m standing there I start looking for the bouncers, I see none. Dude raises his arm like he was about to hit her and my knight in shining armor instinct kicked in and I grabbed him and put him in a half nelson. The bouncers then notice the commotion and come over and grab him from me. Thank god the bouncers were black too but one of them pulls me to the side like he was gonna kick me out and says, “thanks but don’t worry about it I was about to handle that just be easy….” meanwhile the white boy getting dragged out by the bouncers is still yelling more shit at me while “safely” in their care. Wtf, like this dude was gonna go jean claude vandamme on all of them and then get to me? Please.

I’m a lover, not a fighter and I don’t start but ill for damn sure finish.

Sexual Chocolate. SEXUAL CHOCOLATE!!!

2 07 2008
Jo

Mrs. Epps, I’m with you. This is my first time hearing about these groups too, though it may be because I didn’t go to an HBCU.

2 07 2008
Esquire

I would love to start a MM chapter here. I love the concept of black mothers helping each other.

2 07 2008
puff

@ landon – shit, other ivies call harvard elitist. i think the whole issue comes from the fact that when you’re perceived to be part of an elite – in particular a social elite – people make out like you’re out of touch with everyday life, bougie, conceited e.t.c. without taking the time to get to know you. i kinda have the shame issue with that, i’m not going to lie. it’s something i’m having to deal with at this goddamn slave shift fronting as an internship i’m working right now.

2 07 2008
Esquire

B4Prez,

I have not read that book. What else is in it? Has anyone else read it?
Im not here to explain the positives, I see and know the negatives too. But you cant judge an entire group by some snobby people.

Thats like saying all blacks are ignorant as hell. YES some of are, but all of us. Its just not a fair assumption. But Im IN those groups, so maybe thats why I see it that way?

2 07 2008
puff

@ randy watson – random, but i love your name. it just rolls off the tongue right… lemme stop.

2 07 2008
Jen

Esquire – I am under the impression is that the organization is still extremely stay-at-home-mom-centric (CALL ME JESSE JACKSON CAUSE I JUST MADE UP A WORD!), but that they are trying to cast a wider net in the name of inclusivity. So, I’d keep that in mind.

2 07 2008
Jo

I think B4Prez has it right. There’s nothing wrong with being tops in your field or being well-educated and the like. The problem is that the term “elitist” comes with the connotation that you think you’re better all-around just because you may excel at one or two things. No one faults the “best” (someone has to finish first) but when one walks around looking down on or excluding others, one enters dangerous territory.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

elitist means a separation which is what i’m worried about. If its based on skill and anyone can try out and join, i.e. elite athlete i have no qualms, if its based on chance of fortune, i.e. my daddy’s rich, and then you separate yourself from anyone except my daddy’s rich people theres where suspicion sets in. B.C if you are separated then you tend to view other people AS Others, and not like you. And otherism has led to a lot of negative things.

SO at the end of the day I have a problem with elite groups keeping it all in the family, i.e. sharing only with a special select few and not being open to share whatever it is with anyone who may benefit. Only the select will be taught how to fish but we give fish to many doesn’t cut it for me. I feel anyone who wants to learn how to fish and can fish should be able to signup for fishing lessons.

I like the idea of Mocha Moms.

2 07 2008

That’s funny Landon about your grandma.

My grandmother was the opposite. She was half french and native american with green eyes and fair skin, so she wanted dark babies. My grandfather was a dark native american and dominican man. My aunts and uncles and my mom came out light skinned still…lol. My father is black so I ended up being the darkest one of my cousins.

I was my grandma’s favorite!

2 07 2008
Jo

WNBT–that sounds positively Marxist.

2 07 2008
Defiant

I blaime the supiorority complex for most white dudes that think they can fight, hell they think they are better then any visible minority in everything else why not fighting… This of course doesn’t work against black dudes white guys have an inate fear of us. It possibly could be because of the stereotype of us being super human athletes or possibly carrying heat, ideals they get from they’re suburban Gangsta Rap. Up here in Canada it’s easy to find these hard up white dudes looking for a fight, most of played some form of hockey while young and actually have been in fights as a result. According to them most were inches away from an NHL contract possibly as a goon (a player that doesn’t score, defend but rather is just a fighter on the ice). This is why up here it’s isn’t difficult to find some drunkin white guy pushing the boundries of social norms and quickly will throw them up if he gets called out for it… Fucking Assholes! That being said I can’t fight for shit. I play baseball and if you’ve ever seen a baseball fight it’s more like a giant pilon then actual fighting ( see the pic in the article). In the end I’m just happy I get the respect from these drunkin idiots and don’t have to fight them simply due to the melonin in my skin. Sometimes being black in North America actually does pay off!

2 07 2008
Bailey Blues

Being elite is one thing…putting others down because they aren’t is where the problem lies.

I understand both sides of the spectrum. I get that there are great opportunities you receive as being a member of J&J, Links, Boule, Girlfriends etc. One of my close friends said I would be the first family she was inviting to J&J. I won’t join but I see the benefit. I think the issue comes in when people put others down because they aren’t members on meet those standards. No point in being snooty, everyone has their own ideals, and upbringing.

I think people have to decide what is best for them and not knock other people for what they choose to do unless it’s a detriment. I wasn’t brought up J&J, but my parents made sure I was exposed to other things, had a great education and set goals in life to accomplish them. My sister was the first person on both sides of my family to graduate from college. I was the second. And while my parents didn’t graduate, they placed a large emphasis on education.

2 07 2008
B4Prez

There’s nothing wrong with being a ‘have’ as opposed to a ‘have not’, but the traditions of J&J, the Links, hell, some HBCU’s, are rooted in some very negative things. Paper bags? SMH. And the craziest ones of all are the ones who are just scraping by, but trying to hang on just to be ‘in’.

2 07 2008
Esquire

You are right Jen.
I am def. not a stay at home mom. I would like to be a part time member. lol And maybe after I win the lottery, I can be stay at home.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Hmm for my definition if you are elite that is outside people separating you off.
If you are an elitist then thats you separating yourself.

2 07 2008
Jen

WNBT, don’t you think some sort of separation is necessary if an organization wishes to accomplish some mission or develop some specific quality in its members? I don’t think there are ANY Black organizations left which are elite in the way that you described. Black wealth and prestige are too tenuous at this stage.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

I have socialist tendencies. Mebbe I should’ve said that before my tirade.

2 07 2008
Esquire

I will agree with you on that b4prez
why are you paying thousands of dollars in dues, and are hiding your car from the repo man?

2 07 2008
B4Prez

@Bailey – Nicely worded..and I couldn’t agree more.

2 07 2008
Esquire

hmmm this is a good discussion.

“don’t you think some sort of separation is necessary if an organization wishes to accomplish some mission or develop some specific quality in its members?”

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

oh and as far as the argument of they’re assholes in every group. True. What you gotta watchout is the percentage of assholery to nonassholery. And what percentage of assholery can you accept. My acceptance level is pretty low and thus I’m picky about my good friends, the groups I join, and the amount of time I can stand to spend with them.

You know you got that friend, thats a friend, but if you spend more than 3 hours with them you will kill them. Tolerance levels differ across people.

2 07 2008
Jo

‘s all good. It takes one to know one.

2 07 2008
Amadeo

The real difference going on here is the connotation of the word elite. Someone who is elite doesn’t bother people. Someone who makes a point to call themselves elite…is usually an asshole.

2 07 2008
ayo

If you go in to J&J with open arms, you will be welcomed, but if you go in with that ‘they think they are better than be attitude’ you will not enjoy your experience. I don’t think there is anything wrong with trying to expose your children to other children of similar backrounds, economic backrounds – so long as that is not the only experience. Many of the children in our chapter attended schools where they were the only childern of color and J&J provided them an opportunity to meet other Black kids. That being said, many of the people in J&J and attended African Enrichment Programs and practiced Kawanza to further expose their children to social interaction within the African American community. But… maybe that was just my chapter.

2 07 2008
puff

@ wnbt i like your definition, that makes a lot of sense. and as you got socialist tendencies, i can fux with you even more.

@ esquire – separation in what sense? i think a danger with separation is that you automatically reduce accessibility, and if you’re not aiming to reach a wide group of people, you’re probably straying towards elitist.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

The thing is how are you separating yourself and who are you associating with. Fishermen hang around fishermen, thats not elitist. However if you only every hang around fishermen but then have any opinion about anything not fish related, i’mma need you to shut up. Thats where the elitisim comes in. Or if you hang around fishermen all the time but then every once in awhile you come out to show people how to fish. You are still in a fish environment, people came to your circle more than you went to theirs.

Here’s my thingie, if you put your kids in jack and jill then also make them members of the boys and girls club. Make sure every event doesn’t end up be a jack and jill event with the same people and the only time they see non jack and jillers is across the table as an other.

Every group is separate as a definition. How people enter* or leave** that group is how they become elitist.

*become members
** do other things outside the group.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

I don’t know if my metaphors are making sense. But Amadeo has pretty much got it right as far as I’m concerned. Also puff. Accessibility is the key.

And I meant across the aisle or something for that metaphor about others. Across the table…. hmmm probably was envisioning working at a health fair or soup kitchen when proletariat is across from the volunteers. Who may or may not also be proletariat.

2 07 2008
Knatural

Oh Crap! Am I a Socialist?

2 07 2008
Jo

Knat: check your bookshelves for Karl Marx.

2 07 2008
Jen

What you are saying, WNBT, makes sense. However, to allude to what Puff said, reducing accessibility is pretty much the point of separation. You want to control the “norm” within the organization.

This is especially useful when dealing with children. The last thing in the world I would want my kids to have is an I’m OK, You’re OK attitude because, frankly, that isn’t true. My kids need to know that there are certain standards they need to hold themselves to–things that they owe themselves and that they deserve. That requires a sort of judgment of the lifestyles of others which I get the feeling you wouldn’t be too keen on.

2 07 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

Karl Marx is a moron. The only people that ever got socialism right were Native Americans.

2 07 2008
Lisa M. Turtle

Co-Signing with Knat and Mrs. Epps… I am Ms. Black Upper Middle Class so WTF is this about Jack & Jill? Probably something my mother knew about but it made her sick because she grew up PO’!

2 07 2008
Knatural

Will I have to move to France?

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

you want your children to develop leadership qualities-so you surround them with children with leadership qualities

you want your children to make money- so you surround your children with other children who want to make money

you want your children to become a leader-so you surround your children with children who are already leaders

you want your children to make money- so you surround your children with children who have money

I’m not going to give my opinion all the options, I hope my opinions are clear, but I’d like to hear you guys’ opinions on the 4 situations.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Nah, I don’t like that I’m OK you’re Ok attitude either. (i’m bout to start a job where the kids cannot be yelled out or called out in front of other children. If they act up you have to go up to them individual and ask them if they would like to do what everyone else is going to do, i don’t know how I will survive) However just because there’s open admission doesn’t mean everyone is going to join. I don’t like to fish. I’m not going to join the fisherman group. However if I did want to fish AND could fish why would you try to stop me from joining?

Karl Marx was an idiot and communism was stooped. My socialist tendencies are often based on taking it back to the village/tribal situations that were nearly everywhere on this planet, not just native american. And not all the damn things tribes/villages used to do, just some.

2 07 2008
Sister Toldja

There are the elite, and then there are the elitist. I made my inital remarks about Landon’s party because I feel that events hosted by that particular group of promoters are often over populated by the latter. Everyone wants to be great. Everyone wants to be able to say “I’m the bess, I deeeeed it”. But you shouldn’t let your accomplishments be a reason to look down at people. Old guard Black folks look down on new Black money. Old guard White money folks would wipe their bony, befreckled asses with old Black money. My problem with elitIST Black folks is not that they are trying to do something with their lives, but that they have the same “I’m better than you” attitude that White folks have about ALL OF US.

Just remember that at the end of the day, for all your IRA swagger, your Birkin bags, your summer homes and your swanky parties…..there is a girl in Bed Stuy on the Blood block who is smarter, funnier and more charming than you. She’s fine AND she’s pretty. And we all know who I am talking about: me.

2 07 2008
Esquire

Well puff: I was pulling Jen’s quote.

I took it to mean…well I’ll give an example.
My sorority is thinking about moving the GPA up to 2.75 instead of the 2.5 its at now. This is because we “pride” ourselves on being an organization with high academic standards.

The debate is: SIDE 1: we cut out some good girls who really struggled thier first year and cant meet that GPA.

SIDE 2: we PRIDE ourselves on having high standards. A Ct average is not that hard to maintain. We want our GPA to be higher than the other organizations so that we get women who truly want to work harder to get in. The theory is that you worked that hard, you reallllly want to be in and will do what the Sorority INTENDED you to do, which is to be more Christian and serve the community, instead of just serving drinks. Or servin on the step team.

Are we trying to be elitist in a way…yes. Is it for a good reason…thats your personal opinion.

I see both sides. Some of those “standards” are there for a reason. that is true of everything. Some (not all) of the people making the argument that these groups are elitist and snobby are doing the exact same thing. Seriously. Like they aint black enough or they aint hood enough.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

puff you’re in london right? When I come to visit and London buys my a krispy kreme, I’ll split it with you. Because we have socialist tendencies.

2 07 2008
puff

@ jen

i don’t know anything about jack&jill or any of these other organisations cos i’m not african american, and i’ve only been in the states for 2 years. but i think that if you want to create an organisation which opens up opportunities and gives people a chance to grow (i presume this is what they do), talking about establishing a “norm” sounds like elitism. i agree children should be brought up with standards, but it’s also important that they are tolerant and open-minded i.e. realising not everybody came up the same way as they did

2 07 2008
Yonnie3k

I think the word “elite” has a negative connotation. It implies that you think that you are inherently better than people who don’t have what you have or haven’t accomplishe what you’ve accomplished. I don’t want an “elite” president. Just cuz you’re president don’t make you (inherently) better than me!! And just b/c I have 2 degrees (that’ll keep me warm) doesn’t mean that I’m inherently better than the spanish lady that comes around and empties the trash in my office at night. Mmmm….maybe its the word “inherently”….at your core…stripped down. Is it just me?

2 07 2008
B4Prez

@ayo – There’s nothing wrong with socializing w/ ppl who are on the same economic level. But don’t you want your kids to understand that not every1 in the world is on the same economic level, and that they might actually find something in common with sum1 on a human level?

And as for Kwanzaa and what not, I know more than a few females walking around with ‘naturals’ and african pride t-shirts who were sitting right there at the last J&J/ Links/_____(insert elite club here) gala. Many elites feel that being (visually) ‘pro black’ makes it a little more acceptable that they don’t mingle with the working class.

2 07 2008
Landon

But Certain fishermen only hang out with certain fishermen because certain types of catch are considered a harder job.. Someone who catches whiting and porgies are considered on the bottom where as TUNA fishermen have to deal with tough conditions and dangers… there are separations.
Just like in JAIL depending on what you did sometimes determines your status in the Jail. Child Rapist and Ex-Cop are two things you don’t want to be in Jail.
Special forces (navy seals) are elite forces because of the training they have to go through to be who they are… they are a cut above the rest. They shouldn’t talk down to people but their is a reason why they are sent in to certain jobs. It is no different with white black or purple people. Certain people go above and beyond to be the ELITE of their group. That is why we take test have grades and APPLY to shit because they want the ELITE out of that group. and ELITIST is someone who has taken it too far and has because known socially as an ASSHOLE. There is a big difference.
WNBT: Stop watching Foxnews maybe as they try to blanket elitism on Barack for the WORST reasons…
We might ask you where you went to school because 99% of the people at the parties went to College, its like asking where are you from.. Second we ask where do you work because i hope your 23+ plus ass HAS A FUCKING job ( i MEAN CAREAR) or why are you out buying bottles? Another plus we don’t search nobody at our club and no fights break out because DAMNIT we too busy get drunk trying to get up on ladies and have fun. So go to your lil parties where you might get shanked because you stepped on someone’s shoe and have a NIGGA MOMENT http://youtube.com/watch?v=FqsDRQJesMI
just because you are educated and have job does not mean we do not know how to have a good time. The only difference is we sometimes have to wake up at 7am and still go to work unlike WNBT boyfriend Tyrone who wakes up at 3pm asking for her to make him a fish samich!

2 07 2008
Esquire

All Im saying is
There are bad apples in every bunch. For every good down to earth member, you got people who say Im all that! Im in this group, Im in that group, I got that degree,etc. Im an asshole.

My last point was that there is a population of people who just dont like these groups for no reason. Never joined one, didnt like ONE person in it and labeled the entire group. I think we can all admit some people have valid reasons not to like the groups, and some people have NONE. You just dont like it cause you weren’t invited. It’s like sour grapes.

How you gonna say someone thinks they are all that because they are a member, then you turn around and say they aint shit cause they didnt grow up in the projects? So who really thinks they are the bomb? (old skool on yalls asses). Ya BOTH do. And ya BOTH need to get over it.

That, to me, is fair to say.

2 07 2008
Amadeo

@ Knatural – France has that sweet vacation time and free health care.

@ WNBT

I can’t agree with those scenarios. My cousin didn’t have money but he did go to GIlman…he’s a teacher and married a teacher…we might make the same amount (hell I may make more) Leadership has to come from parents, in a peer group you can’t have a bunch of leaders teaching…cause no one will want to follow (listen). Additionally some things are just innate. You can teach some people alot and their personality will end up defining them. My Ace didn’t have alot of money coming up…but his father started a business and it showed him how to work and achieve. Dude is a hustler supreme now, but he hung out with plenty of thugs, artists and other people.

2 07 2008
Lisa M. Turtle

“That’s funny Landon about your grandma.

My grandmother was the opposite. She was half french and native american with green eyes and fair skin, so she wanted dark babies. My grandfather was a dark native american and dominican man. My aunts and uncles and my mom came out light skinned still…lol. My father is black so I ended up being the darkest one of my cousins.

I was my grandma’s favorite!”

Similar thing… I am the darkest of my FAM-LAY (save one INEXPLICABLY CHOCOLATE COUSIN) although when I was little I was more what they called “red”. So they used to fawn over me like I was some sort of rarity. It was quite strange. And according to them I have “good hair” so they were trying to figure out why I was so “dark” (I’m not even REALLY dark… LoL) with “good hair.” It was decided it must have come from my biracial daddy. *Sigh* SOUTHERN FOLK.

2 07 2008
Omar

Elitist, Buorgie… it’s all word play most of us know an asshole when we see one rich, poor or other.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

BTW can I say I went natural not to make some sort of statement but because it was better for me and my hair. Can you guys please stop looking at me like I’m going to lead the revolution and throw a chair through a window cuz I’m rocking a curly fro today?

Socialist tendencies aside….

I’m not going to start a march outside your establishment because you were open on MLK day. I needed to get some bacon, i’m happy you’re open.

militancy does not (necessarily) have a hair style.

I’m the speechwriter not the speechgiver **shifty smile**

2 07 2008
puff

@ esquire – i understand what you mean, and a society should definitely hold itself up to high standards in order to bring out the best in each person. what i think is the danger – and in no way do i think your sorority does this – is when the distinctions between a group and everyone else lead to it alienating itself because it makes itself seem inaccessible. i don’t think a 2.75 gpa is inaccessible, however something like a minimum yearly income (for another organisation, obviously) would be.

@ wnbt – i’m all over the place, i used to live in england and visit pretty regularly. right now i’m home in africa, you can come by and split a calabash of palm wine with me though 🙂 and talk about frantz fanon and shit

2 07 2008
Randy Watson

@ puff

I melt in your mouth and in your hands, but stay solid everywhere else…

Sexual Chocolate! SEXUAL CHOCOLATE!!!

2 07 2008
Esquire

B4Prez,
you are a little harsh. Why is it fair to assume that members of those groups dont “mingle with the working class” 8 times out of 10, they mama and daddy picked cotton right beside mine? If that aint workin class what is? My friends go all up and down the socio-economic spectrum.

I aint counting em out or throwing out examples, like whites. “Im not a racist, I got 4 black friends.

But there arent enough black people with REAL money to not love, be friends, with hang with, be related to, like what YOU said was “working class” I would think MOST black are still working hard. Shit, I do. (until I log on here)

2 07 2008
Jo

Damn…didn’t know people hated Marx so much. Eh…what can I say? Let me finish reading Das Kapital and I’ll let you know my final judgement (as if you even care).

Whether or not dude was a moron, the idea of sharing the means of production* sounds pretty decent to me–at least in the “teach a man to fish” sort of way.

*Sharing the means of production is just another way of saying equipping people to take care of themselves.

2 07 2008
puff

landon, unpick your wedgie and take a deep breath.

2 07 2008
puff

@ randy – i hate that i laughed so hard at that

2 07 2008
Meka

Is it okay to say that there are certain people (i.e. People who engage in poor behavior) or behavior that deserves to be looked down upon?

2 07 2008
B4Prez

Okay Landon, your friends may ask ‘where’ and ‘what’, but the question is, when they hear you do something that isn’t ‘traditional’ and 6 figure-producing, how long is it b4 they nod and leave (w/o bothering to give u a business card, lol)?

2 07 2008
Muse

I laid th smack down on a wigger before. She thought that she could pick on a Black girl from the valley and not get her ass handed to her. Anyway the situation was she thought I was checking out her busted baby daddy (who was a black guy with cornrolls). The fact was he was checking me out but he isn’t my type so I ignored him. The only thing I might have been guilty of was critiqing how ridiculous he looked. The black dude was wearing all the primary colors at the same damn time with some bright orange and purple sneakers. Anyway Wigger Cunt and her pack of bitches approached me and was like:

Wigger : why you getting thirsty for my man
Muse: I wasn’t checking your man
Wigger: I saw you checking for my man bitch. I don’t play that
Muse: Trust me, I don’t want your man.
Wigger: Bitch yes you do, don’t hate that you can’t have him
Muse: ((Rolls eyes)) and turns to walk away
Wigger Cunt: Pushes me when I turn my back and her friends start cracking up
Muse: ((Turns around and punches the shit out of Wigger Cunt square in her face))
Wigger: ((tries to composes herself as she starts to bleed from her nose)
Wigger sell out ghetto girlfriends: Tries to appraoch me about to throw blows
Muse’s friends gives the sell out ghetto girls the Bitch back up look
Wigger Cunt: manages to grab my hair
Muse: doesn’t reach for hair because that would leave my face open to get punched. Instead slams her elbow into wigger cunt’s guts and knees her in the vagina (yes that shit hurts)
wigger cunt: lets hair go and doubles over.
Wigger cunt’s Man:Stops watching and runs to rescue his white hoe and carries her away
Muse: Feeling like a bad bitch and goes about her business.

I won since I drew blood.

2 07 2008
Muse

This fight took place after a USC football came Sophomore year.

2 07 2008
Jo

WNBT: I feel you on natural hair. I used to wear my ‘fro out and people would treat me with effing kid gloves. They just wouldn’t believe I wasn’t a neo-BP.

As for the four situations:

I wouldn’t surround my kids with leaders because then they would learn to be followers. Better to *show* them leaders via public figures than to have them surrounded by a lot of chiefs refusing to be Indians.

And you have to be careful around people who “want to make money”. Some of us who “want to make money” teach lowered morals, etc.

2 07 2008
Esquire

I agree with you Puff.

I also think there are a lot of misconceptions about the requirements of these groups.

I can only speak for Links and my sorority, cause those are the groups I know about. There is NO annual income requirement! Thats just stupid.

I dont think there is one for J&J. I dont know cause I was obviously little when I was in it, and my little one is too young for me to join right now.

I am wondering, where are these people who are writing these books/hate web pages, etc getting thier info from? Have they sat in those meetings? Went to the plenary sessions? How do they “know” these so called requirements. They damn sure arent the ones IVE looked over.

2 07 2008
Muse

erm I meant game.

2 07 2008
Muse

Damn I’m not even on topic. I shoudl read the comments before replying. Please continue with the bougie talk. Sidenote my mom is a LInks and part of Girlfriends Inc. Blah blah blah.

I was kicked out of Jack and Jill for being a bad ass kid.

2 07 2008
Landon

Because to be honest most people my age already has their circle fo friends, ( i know i do)… At this point on its about business and how we can help each other. I dont think someone will turn around just because of what you do. I work in construction, i dont make the money my friends make. Hell their Bonus doubles my annual salary. However, they know i am working on starting my own firm and working in NYC. Down the line they will be EVPs and EDs of banks and law firms. They can get me in to the boardroom so my company can get the bid. They are interested in me because i am have a backgroudn in real estate and looking for investors. Sorry for the EFFING nEWS FLASH we are not 21 anymore. We have mortgages to pay, money to make so we can support our families and have the resources to give our CHILDREN MORE. We still get drunk and try to bust our nuts but at this point in life its about MAKING IT OR NOT MAKING IT… because dem white boys at the bar across the street are doing the same thing. THE BIGGEST DEALS arent done in boardrooms, its over a steak, beer or a golf game… just trying to make shit happen.

2 07 2008
puff

@ muse – fuck trina, you’se the baddest chick. do you have that shit on tape?

2 07 2008
Esquire

Muse DAMN you got kicked OUT! lol
Can you tell us what Girlfriends does? Is it just a social type thing? I cant judge them, I dont know what they do.

2 07 2008
puff

@ wnbt and jo

first two weeks of my internship, my hair was cornrowed. next two weeks, i rocked the puff. my hair got described as:
brave
urban (?)
fascinating
interesting
powerful
i also got asked if i was a “sister” like india arie and if i didn’t wear makeup *smh* people are strange…

goddamn i quit relaxing cos i’m a vain bitch, the shit was fraying my ends

2 07 2008
Jen

WNBT – I would do all of the scenarios you described. I think doing them all best describes how i was raised.

For me, it would be about being prepared to interact and get along with a spectrum of people with the capacity to have wealth and power.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Damnit landon, I consider FOX news a special kind of torture. I refuse to go back and define elite vs. elitist again based on an accusation of FOX news. Don’t buy bottles and just because its not the professional set doesn’t mean the only option is hood set.

Do you think knowing where i went to school or what i do is as interesting a question as what music do I like or activities do I participate in, or shoot even what TV shows I watch. Whether I saw the latest movie. I think your background is interesting yea but not as interesting as your personality.

yea I’m 23+ but i’m going to school in august for my professional degree. I don’t like spending my entire time talking about school b.c. I spent my entire day there. Guaranteed I could talk about it b.c. as i said I just spent my entire day there. But I would like something new. In fact I would like to start with something new. I don’t even normally ask people where they are from as a top 3 question unless i’m in a known international/interregional setting.

Basically I approach people like you are on my level. I’m not going down to meet you nor shall I big myself up to your standards. When I talk you’ll know the important stuff about me and if you can’t roll on my level then you should just roll out. I’m not going to make you fill out an application and add points. You’re dull, you’re dull with or without a 401k. And just because you’re interesting doesn’t necessarily mean you can keep up with this train.

My close people have always been broke b..c they were students, they were teachers/low paid civic jobs they took to help people out, or they invest their money in building up their own businesses. Basically it was a choice. We all hope it will pay off in the end. Its all gravy. Black people can get down on all levels, i’ve been to conference, I’ve hung out with you guys. But my tolerance level for too many at one time is low. I’m picky and unfortunately the picking are slim amongst the crowd you are describing. Diva Dudes, uppity, buppies, bigheads, and i have to diving in for the regular cool people who aren’t assholes.

2 07 2008
B4Prez

@Esquire – When I say working class, I don’t mean going to work everyday. I mean ‘non-elite’, as in, non-members of the exclusive clubs. I’m not saying there aren’t decent members of these clubs, but they were founded on not having to ‘mix’ with the majority of black society, since the majority couldnt afford the opportunities that they could. I just find it funny that groups founded on “we’re not like the rest, we have money”, have members who walk around with the pro-black fist. Maybe I am being too harsh, but I can’t help but find that a little ironic, and laughable.

2 07 2008
Lisa M. Turtle

“All Im saying is
There are bad apples in every bunch. For every good down to earth member, you got people who say Im all that! Im in this group, Im in that group, I got that degree,etc. Im an asshole.”

Esquire, do you mean Landon?

2 07 2008
Landon

now all my time in J & J was not cool.
I was part of the Westchester chapter and from Mt. Vernon. Mt Vernon is the blackest and poorest city in Westchester ( we were the thugs apparently)…

So when i first got into the chapter the other kids looked at me like i was some hooligan, but i use to laugh at this because I would go to their houses in Bronxville and Scarsdale and be like yo not only is my house BIGGER but flyer, you dont even have a basketball court or big enough trees in your backyard to climb, (i loved climbing trees as a kid). But as we grew up together we became friends an 95% of them are doing dam well and are apart o my network. You need a Job at American Express i got you, Bloomingdales no problem, JP Morgan all day every day, my other boy is chef at one of the hottest restaurants in city. With out this organization i would not have met other black kids from other cities who had similar goals. Because of j and j i know someone damn near in every major city. At the end of the day that is what is GREAT About it, regardless of its shortcomings. More people you know the more likely you are to succeed. (if you know the right people)

2 07 2008
Landon

and i still have my Mt vernon and harlem friends. It was just another outlet…

some of them are teachers others are students. Have the cats at the party are in law school or business school or getting a PHD in some shit i dont understand.

Just as you automatically close your mind to J 7 J is the same reason why you are blasting us… You are seperating yoru self with out really knowing a person and assuming something about them.

Personally i ask where you from and where you went to school because most likely i know someone you know. Once we realize we have mutual friends it makes conversation easier. We can talk about anything and everything but if i am interested i am going to ask what you do!!! FUCKING SUE me…

2 07 2008
Landon

WNBT:

WHEN I SEE YOU IN THE STREET I AM GOING TO KICK YOU IN YOUR CLIT!!! JUST CUZ!!!

🙂

2 07 2008
ayo

B4Prez:
I guess my family was different from the perspective of what you guys are trying to portray as the black elitist natzi j&Jillers. My point is that anyone enrolling their childern in J&J Mocha Moms, the African Village up the street or whatever is trying to broaden their childrens horizions. (which is a good thing i think) J&J is not the only way of doing this, so many families in J&J did not rely on their childrens child rearing social activities to center around J&J. They just didnt. My parents kept us active in sports, church, cultural activities, camp in the hood, other stuff.
The point of any organization is to better the people involved – to offer exposure or provide help. But… yeah there were some fakers in the crowd. Some snobs. In life, on your job, at the gym, its unavoidable. I just tried to focus on my personal experience .

IMO, What is being argued over is like saying Vegetarians say Vegan are elite. To me its stupid. Both are striving to better their bodies. Both are making decisions to BE BETTER eaters . Isnt the bottom line about just being better? Making things better for you kids? J&J may not be the perfect choice for all Black families. Just like the Urban League may be better than the NAACP . Soccer may be better than karate. Or whatever. I just think it is important to be involved in something. To be diversified and involved.

2 07 2008
Esquire

Prez: lol I knew what you mean. but damn sometimes I feel like a slave. (Hebrew and otherwise)
I knew you meant like factory workers, constructions aka blue collar. My comment still stands. But now I understand the point of your comment. And I agree but for a different reason.
Blacks really arent ahead enough to try to legitimately seperate themselves economically. I think Oprah is really the only truly rich ass black person. lol The rest of us are just catchin up.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Just as you automatically close your mind to J 7 J is the same reason why you are blasting us

Are you talking to me again Landon? Cuz i’m not going to respond until you get critical reading skills. I enjoy the tit for tat annoying you on the regular but this has just gotten silly. And not in an entertaining way.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

FINE THEN NUCCA YOU GOT IT IN BOTH KIDNEYS NOW! AND I KNOW HOW TO FIND YO’ ORGANS!!!!!!!!!

2 07 2008
Esquire

Lisa!
Thats not nice! lol Leave Landon alone.

2 07 2008
Jen

OKAY, I was not going to go here, but curiosity has gotten the best of me because I really do not understand how you can be an upper middle class Black person and have grown up with NO FRIENDS in Jack and Jill UNLESS you were never exposed to Black people.

Lisa, Ne…please explain!!!

2 07 2008
Lisa M. Turtle

LoL, Esquire I can’t help he just always seems like an asshole. But if I met him I’d probably want to marry him because that’s what I like. I got that black boy syndrome white girls got from not growing up around black people… I am fascinated by black men now! LoL.

Well Jen, I am soooooooooooooooo Upper Middle Class that I in fact knew very little negroes growing up. You are correct. LoL. Umm… If I do know any Jack and Jillers I was never told by them because, well, we weren’t friend. I guess maybe those folk run rampant in PG County or Montogmery county but round these parts… Not so much. Not so many black people either. THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP! 😥 LoL. I keed… Except about not knowing many black people until adulthood, dead serious about that part.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Jeez Jen, Maybe nobody liked their mothers and kept their children away. You know Ne was knocking people out, she was probably a bad influence child. Way to open up old wounds. Mebbe they thought they were upper middle class and were just middle class. 😉

2 07 2008
B4Prez

@Ayo – I can understand that, and like I said, I’m sure there are some decent folk in these groups. Maybe u and ur fam represent that ‘small’ section of them.

@Landon – The networking is great, but the point we’re talking about is the fact that those other little black boys were all ready looking down on you because of your neighborhood….and u were IN the club. I can only imagine what was said about the little boy who lived at 125th and Lenox (though he may have been a str8-A student on his way to getting out of the neighborhood).

@Willnot – +++

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

LoL, Esquire I can’t help he just always seems like an asshole.

Doesn’t He!

But watch out girl, He’s got 2 lesbianish wives up here and his own crew of thunda-e-hoettes (true thunder e-hoes go for Chris)

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Can I get a t-shirt that says that. Chris can that be part of your project? T-shirts with the best of Shabooty and one that says ‘True Thunder E-Hoes go for Chris’

2 07 2008
Lisa M. Turtle

Ohh and I’m not trying to be secretive at all… This is where I grew up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crofton%2C_MD

And this is where I was born: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammond%2C_LA

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

smooches Prez, in case I didn’t say so before.

2 07 2008

I don’t know jen…

Maybe It’s my location.

2 07 2008
Jen

Well, that definitely explains it.

But, what you mentioned about the “fascination with Black men” reminds me of the “fascination with Black thugs” that so many suburban kids have when they are not exposed to J&J type groups.

It scares the daylights out of me. Just seeing how many of the Black kids in my family whose parents thought they were doing them a favor by hiding them from Black people turned out effed the eff up has scared me out of EVER trying to raise a child in a lily white community.

2 07 2008
Lisa M. Turtle

WNBT… You are my hero, I think. When I grow up I want to be just like you.

2 07 2008
puff

@ wnbt

But watch out girl, He’s got 2 lesbianish wives up here and his own crew of thunda-e-hoettes (true thunder e-hoes go for Chris)

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaahahahahahahahahahahaha

2 07 2008
puff

good point, where’s shabooty at?

2 07 2008
Lisa M. Turtle

Yeah, I like to look at thugs and I have wanted to fornicate with some thugs but I have NEVER, EVER wanted to date a thug. I was a white boy lover from the get-go so black nerds or bl3rds with asshole tendencies is what I’m really into. LoL.

And I would have though the Lisa M. Turtle would’ve spoken volumes about my background. LoL.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Aww thank you lisa. But when i grow up I want to be Sister Toldja. Maybe that should be levels of evolution for fabulous black women

Lisa->WNBT->Sister Toldja-> -> -> -> ->supreme being???

yes i may be crazy. Doesn’t mean i don’t know truth.

2 07 2008
Jo

WNBT: many black women are the Cassandras of our time.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Yea, lily white communities kinda suck. But if you go out of your way to make sure your kids now black and non-white people its good. Boys and Girls club rocks for that.

wait Am I the only kid up here that was part of a boys and girls club. Why there so many J&Jers and no B&Grs? sigh

2 07 2008
lisaturtle

LoL, ST is also a heroine of mine. I like this level of evolution. I can speak out on the dangers of raising your churrin in white suburbia and then forcing them to attend and hbcu full of “real” black folk as opposed to Spelhouse Hampward.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

My parents were always afraid my older brother and I were going to end up ‘too white’ living in the ‘burbs but they liked the house, neighborhood and schools. So they used to go out of their way to find us black babysitters with other black kids, or day cares/ summercamp with black teachers and/or good proportion of black kids, or non-white kids. I think we turned out fine. you can’t wait until your kid is in college to introduce them to the outside world. That’s kinda cruel. They were scared b.c. we had so many white friends but then I and they realized that I always gravitated to the only other minority or the white kids shunned by the yuppie kids in all my classes. Hated their uppity asses too. Didn’t necessarily gravitate to the other black kid though. Mostly b.c. they were also bourghie acting fuckers or fake as Lee press-on nails.

WNBT-hating uppity fuckers since 1982!

2 07 2008
Jen

WNBT – maybe it is a class thing.

I honestly dunno what B&GC is, but I remember seeing commercials for it as a kid and thinking it was for “at risk youth”.

2 07 2008
Landon

whats “real” black folk?

2 07 2008
lisaturtle

LoL, I went to a B&G club for like 2 weeks one summer in Louisiana. THAT’S ABOUT IT. PG County and summers in Louisiana is where I got most of my negro exposure. Complete opposite sides of the spectrum too. Country Louisiana black folk – BOO-GEE PG County Black Folk.

2 07 2008
Landon

WNBT:

everything you just said is the same reason many famlies join Jack & jill (so black kids in WHITE TOWNS or any town can be around other black children with similiar asspirations) — FOR THAT EXACT REASON. But Its organized. Hell that was when i first learned Roberts rule of order and how to conduct a proper meeting. How to complete a college application and resume.

2 07 2008
Yonnie3k

I was born in Salt Lake City, Utah.

nuff said

2 07 2008
B4Prez

@Esq – Every1 can get in line behind Oprah…..way behind. I’m still trying to get an application to be her sandwich holder, lol

@Willnot – I went to the B&G club. I read an article in Ebony about J&J when I was a kid and asked my mom if I could join, and she politely shut me down on that 1, and told me that while we were a nice family, we didnt make enough. So I went to B&G and other ‘regla folk’ activities, lol.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Yea, I think that was its focus but not all the clubs are like that. Plus I do remember my mom having to drive us across town to get to it and that we usually had more money than the other kids. But it didn’t really matter. Its not like they ban you if you have too much money. Some local group did have a debacle one year b.c. they donated used toys and clothes to our local B&G club and the kids there acted real snotty about the shit. My mom said every adult was embarrassed by their children acting too good for the donations and whining. (Luckily I was sick so don’t get called out for it ) but the kids weren’t really needy. Not every club is exclusively at-risk youth. Mostly it was just kids who needed a place to go on the weekends or afterschool and didn’t have the parental wherewithal to keep them positively active. B/C it was full of some badasses. But it was basically a gym and poolhall for kids, that shit attract badasses. If they served liquor we’d be delinquents.

2 07 2008
lisaturtle

See WNBT, my mom tried to make sure I knew some black folk but they were PG County black folk who were growing up more spoiled than me but just around other black folk. LoL… Same personality traits, just black. Was I a J&J? LMAO. Yeah, the college thing was cooked up by my daddy and my brother. They sent me to CAU… YES, CLARK ATLANTA UNIVERSITY. *Deep Sigh*. I didn’t like Atlanta and I set it off in that bitch.

IDK… I guess my mom tried not too make too much of a stink about my white friends because she didn’t want me to grow up racist and whatnot. I do wish I would have known some black people besides family, my one best friend, and the other 15 kids. DAMN.

To Landon, “real” black people is not coined by but by ignorant ass family members. According to them, I don’t know how to interact with “real” black people – only black folk like myself. They think I’m a snob so I embrace it and make a joke out of it though it used to hurt my feelings. But you would not be a real black folk to them… You’re not hood enough. LoL. Sad, but true.

2 07 2008
Randy Watson

Thinkin about a female catchin a knee to the vagina made my joint hurt and not in that good way like when you first put it in and its all tight…I clenched up while reading it…is that a normal occurence, for girls to hit, kick, knee each other in their whateva and carryin on?

2 07 2008
lisaturtle

Yonnie, YOU WIN.

2 07 2008
Landon

wnbt:

THEY DONT BAN you for having money but the kids looked at you like what is this Bitch with money doing here. I use to get the same SHIT because i was from the Northside and B & G was on the southside (a lil hood but still nice). When i walked up in there they know i was from the Northside and they TRIED me many times. Thankfully I was good at basketball and i was able to earn their respect i guess. BUt they judged me just as you would say a J & J would judge them. To be honest i was stuck in a catch 22… Too rich for the poor kids to poor for the rich kids.

2 07 2008

My mother wasn’t the type for organizations anyway, so if she knew anything about it I definately doubt if she would have accepted an invitation.

“Mebbe they thought they were upper middle class and were just middle class.”

My father brought in way over $100,000 with is income alone, so that cannot be the case.

I really don’t feel like this is a big deal. Maybe I am missing out on some opportunities or networking.

2 07 2008
lisaturtle

Randy Watson, you are amazing off that picture alone.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Never learned Roberts rule of order or any meeting rules. Learned to fill out a college app in high school and by reading and resume my parents and word templates helped me.

Probably I should also explain a little bit more about my parents fear of us acting “too white” was their fear of us acting too yuppie really. My parents would see the one other black kid and wonder why we weren’t friends until they observed out yuppie-acting that kid acted and then feared we would turn into that kid. Thats when they ran us out to the B&Gclub. They basically wanted us with black people like they knew growing up, blue collar black folk. If they couldn’t find blue collar black people, they would go for blue collar minorities, then blue collar whites. Then they would just give up and let us go with our friends.

2 07 2008
Esquire

lol B4:
Im just sayin. Black people think being rich is having 2 or 3 mil. We got white people I WORK with who LAUGH at that. We as a people are far behind. I saw a special on VH1(?) about billionaire heiresses. NONE were black, the closest was that Indian chick who spent 66 million on her wedding.
THATS WEALTH.

2 07 2008
Jen

And WNBT’s post is a perfect example of why I support benevolent elitism.

2 07 2008
Amadeo

Ahh my eternal struggle! Having grown up in the hood but come out well do I:

Send my kids to a much better school and risk them being targets should they have to make their way through the hood?

or

Send them to a public school at which I will have to supplement their education to ensure that they can read on a 12th grade level while they are in the 12th grade?

2 07 2008
B4Prez

See…and that’s why I would never put my children in a situation where all of their exposure is to YTs. Neighborhood, school, whatever. No matter how YT everything around them is, all blacks keep that black skin everywhere. Didn’t you’ll think it was crazy that Lisa Turtle was the only black kid at Bayside??? Then again, maybe most of you’ll didn’t think it was so strange after all.

2 07 2008
lisaturtle

Damn WNBT, I honestly wished a lot of things were different for me growing up. When my family would call me “white girl” I didn’t realize that when I grew up a lot of people would feel the same way about me.

Landon is right about how people try you because you from the suburbs. These hoes at CAU tried me and I had to whoop some asses. I was like, you don’t know me… Please do not let the lack of hoodrat in my demeanor fool you, I will fuck you up.

2 07 2008
Randy Watson

Was a Halloween costume from a few years ago. All the white people thought I was Rick James. The black folk was yellin sexual chocolate, sexual chocolate! The year before I was snoop dogg, the year after that Humpty Hump (in the 69 my humpty nose will tickle your rear), after that Sho Nuff (I am the meanest, baddest prettiest mo fo lo down round this town) and last year it was Homey D Clown. Now remember childrens, Homey don’t play that. This year I’m thinkin about Kid Dynomite JJ Walker or gettin someone to do Kid n Play with me..oolaaa oooolaa eeeey!

2 07 2008
Yonnie3k

lisaturtle (20:13:34) :
members. According to them, I don’t know how to interact with “real” black people – only black folk like myself.

True statement by my 50 year old first cousin to my 35 year old second cousin – his niece: “You think you better than everybody else just b/c you got a checking account.”

I wish this was a joke. Sadly. It is not.

2 07 2008

“But, what you mentioned about the “fascination with Black men” reminds me of the “fascination with Black thugs” that so many suburban kids have when they are not exposed to J&J type groups.”

WTF?

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Hey Ne, so did my daddy. And my mom was pretty much the same. But I was still at the B&G club chillin with the shoplifters and pool sharks. But I was also all up on the computer playing sierra and paperboy on the inn10does. I guess I didn’t look as snobby as Landon walking up in it or maybe my club wasn’t as hood as the one on the southside.

Sorry if i make my parents sound racist. They weren’t. They didn’t stop us from hanging out with white people or say anything about them. Just something you pick up from the occasional questions about “why don’t you play with that girl Natasha. She seems nice” and “Lauren was a nice girl, how come you don’t talk to her more often”. And the worried looks on their faces when I would ask for that shopping mall board game or a skateboard and a guitar.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

wait what jen? How did I get around to being an endorsement for benevolent elitism??????

2 07 2008
Amadeo

@ Né – you ain’t know…we used to clean up in the county. Seems as though growing up in the city automatically made us Nino Brown.

Ahhh I miss those county parties. That shit was like wedding crashing.

2 07 2008
lisaturtle

There were other black sprinkled in Bayside. She went on a date with one or two. Lol. I, for better or worse, am Lisa Turtle. Ohh well. Lesson learned. My kids will know black people, damnit!

2 07 2008
lisaturtle

Randy Watson is KILLING me.

2 07 2008
Knatural

Bertha wants a nasty, messy, chicken cheesesteak RIGHT NOW…

2 07 2008
Yonnie3k

WNBT – And the worried looks on their faces when I would ask for that shopping mall board game or a skateboard and a guitar.

Precisely why my parents felt it was time to move from Salt Lake City. Imagine this: I’m 5 years old, I have a jherri curl afro (FUCK YA’LL – it was ’85 – that shit was hot). N-E-Waaayyyyssss – I’m walking around doing that little hand motion and head swing that white girls do when they’re moving their long hair out of their face. Couple that with the fact that I couldn’t clap on beat and, as Landon was kind enough to put me on blast about – to this day, I stick to the two step and the electric slide on the dance floor (when I’m sober, that is).

2 07 2008
Landon

Your right Jen

in trying to help you WNBT they might of hurt you in the long run…. I understand why they did it but that does mean its right!

2 07 2008
Ethel

Figure 3: Amen. Completely true, with the exception of Chuck Norris.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Hmm i guess I didn’t have as much problems as you guys had. I had more problems with “the black elite” than i did with “the black underclass” as it were. guaranteed when I started volunteering in the ‘hood some people would give me the sideeye but I was used to it from uppity blacks giving me the sideeye and honestly, all types of whites and non-blacks giving me the sideeye. didn’t care for either one. Which is why I say I fit blue collar. And thats how my parents raised me. Value education and careers but not ‘low class’ and not ‘high class’ i suppose. Technically I could inherit the elite but I don’t want it. It doesn’t fit.

But lisa I do feel you. Sometimes people in my family accuse me of acting like a white girl or being white (hair, flat ass, degree, subject-verb agreement, etc.) but i would just stare them down and ask them to explain themselves. Even adults when I was a kid. They get to feeling real stupid then b.c. there was only Bullshit reasons to say something like that. Yea, now you the one that sounds stupid. One good thing my parents taught me.

2 07 2008
Landon

Randy This past year i was Mike VICk had a jesey with blood on it and had stuffed dops trailing behind me… I have a pic on facebook..

WHITE FOLKS WERE MAD you would of thought i was carrying a sign saying JESUS was BLACK!

2 07 2008
Randy Watson

Randy Watson him self was raised around white folk, but as soon as I was able to travel on my own I found where the colored folks were at. It gives me the well roundedness I need to be able to survive in corporate america, in the hood, or down south with my country ass relatives. Wherever I am, I’m good. I can clap on beat, refuse to do the electric slide, have a few variations other than the two step, can fry chicken like a muffucka, and stomp my feet and drop a microphone like no one else since eddie murphy.

2 07 2008
Jen

“B&G club chillin with the shoplifters and pool sharks”

NO, MA’AM!!!

I’d take invitation-J&J over that any day of the week.

Né – a lot of times when Black kids grow up away from other Black people, their perception of us is very similar to the perception white people have of us. In other words, it is unduly influenced by BET and the local news. As a result, they associate the behaviors of the dredge among us with authenticity as a Black person.

This is where the whole “Black kids think studying/being intelligent is acting white” myth comes from.

It doesn’t really exist in Black communities. It thrives among Black children with little to no exposure to Blacks outside of their own families.

2 07 2008
lisaturtle

“Imagine this: I’m 5 years old, I have a jherri curl afro (FUCK YA’LL – it was ‘85 – that shit was hot).”

DEAD.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Wait what? My parents hurt me by having me hang around blue collar folk? jen and landon, I award both of you 100 bourghie points.

2 07 2008
Muse

Damn it. I’m not even going to attempt to catch up on what everyone is talking about. To answer someone’s questoin, I wasn’t technically kicked out of Jack and Jill. I just like to say I was to sound rebellious hahah. But I just stopped going because I didn’t vibe with some of the kids. Also to answer another question, Girlfriends Inc is a bougie organization where the members do fun socialite stuff like party and community service. They fancy themselves on being real selective.

2 07 2008
Esquire

I dont believe in all private schools now. I went to one and was the only black child up until the 3rd grade. I begged my parents to pull me out. I got blamed for all kinds of things, I didnt have black friends at school. Only at church and J-J.
Once I got into a public school, I LOVED IT. There were people who looked like me. My school was like 70% white, 30% black. But thats the town’s fault not mine. There were badasses, but I was friends with them ALL. I could talk about the Boyz and people knew what I was talking about. It wasnt all about NKOTB. lol.
I went to a public school and came out JUST DAMN FINE

2 07 2008
Landon

WNBT:

maybe they giving you the side eye because you are well WNBT…. you looking at everyone stank when its you… .ALiens from another planet would prob give you the side eye!

2 07 2008
Yonnie3k

a lot of times when Black kids grow up away from other Black people, their perception of us is very similar to the perception white people have of us. In other words, it is unduly influenced by BET and the local news. As a result, they associate the behaviors of the dredge among us with authenticity as a Black person.

I think the same can be said for SOME African immigrants
ducks behind desk. holds breath. prepares for onslaught

2 07 2008
Poppcorrn

@ Jen – “I really do not understand how you can be an upper middle class Black person and have grown up with NO FRIENDS in Jack and Jill UNLESS you were never exposed to Black people.”

Well, I grew up Black and upper-middle-class in PG County (and it ain’t nothing BUT Negroes up in here), and I’d never heard of Jack & Jill until I went to college, either. You are assuming that if you are in the BMC you don’t have occasion to meet/mingle with/befriend other similarly-situated children and families without J&J. How about…all up and down the street? And at (public) school? And at church? And camp? We weren’t involved with J&J cause it wasn’t necessary — Black doctors, lawyers and Indian chiefs and their kids were just…around. I didn’t realize this was unusual/ a big deal until I went to college on the West Coast. BIG culture shock — I had no idea so many other Black folks grew up as the “only” one in their respective crews.

2 07 2008
Meka

Here is a nuanced article about Jack and Jill. I am not a fan of Karen Grigsby Bates but liked the article.

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/1998/05/15feature.html

2 07 2008
Landon

No they didnt hurt you by having you around blu collar folk there is nothing wrong with that they know how to WORK hard and earn their money..

But they limited your access to other professionals and networks that would help you with future success. ITS WHO YOU KNOW IN THIS WORLD!!!

2 07 2008
Landon

popcorn PG county has the most memebers of any other chapter (DC)

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

ohhhh the shoplifting and pool sharks. I was exaggerating for entertainment Jen and Landon. Yes there was a shoplifting kid and there was 1-2 pool sharks but I didn’t really hang around them. But the kids were badass wild in a way that most kids will be badass if you put a bunch of teenagers in charge of half-humans. We did stuff like play dodgeball and red rover and fucked some kids up. They toughened up or they went to the side and played bumper pool. Don’t baby your children. And considering my parents didn’t play that and my school friends didn’t do that it really didn’t affect me but I learned to deal with people who want to stomp you out b.c. you told their bratty little brother to fuck off. And what not to do and what to do. Believe you me, those pool sharks and shoplifters were no worse than some of these uppity suburban white (and ‘white-acting’) kids. They were shoplifting too and drinking, doing drugs and damn near torturing kids but were getting away with it scott-free. If my parents only knew what was going on they would’ve moved up out of the neighborhood and into a trailer park where they would know who was doing dirt.

2 07 2008
B4Prez

I was Rick James last year. I had the beads and everything!

@Esq- Anyone who spends 66 mill on their wedding deserves a knee to the clit, lol.

@Lisaturtle – Lisa Turtle from Bayside was the only black person with lines. There used to be a short dark-skinned girl who was an extra in every episode, and they still couldn’t let her say ‘hey guys’ or sumthin. SMH And Lisa never dated a black guy. Of course Screech was the only character who could possibly be into the ‘colored gal’, lol.

2 07 2008
lisaturtle

Poppcorn, PG County is like legendary when you go away to college. When I said I was from MD the first words out of everyone’s mouth, “YOU FROM PG COUNTY?”
No, but I border PG County… Does that count? LoL. I feel you though. Eventhough I didn’t grow up around many black people, because of PG County and things and just MD in general I didn’t get my perception of black people from BET (Jen). I wish we would have stayed in PG County Poppcorn, we lived in Mitchellville when we first moved to MD.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Nah, my dad is a big networker. They didn’t know anything about Jack and Jill so they couldn’t limit me. i came home from college and told them about it. then they forgot until my mom read that book about philadelphia negroes or the black elite or something. I think limiting my association with fucktards may have helped. Knowing some of those bastards, I wouldn’t like to imagine what I would have to do to get their networking blessing.

2 07 2008
Randy Watson

Landon, imma check that vick pic out, and shhh don’t mean to alarm you but skin of bronze and hair of lambs wool makes you a colored person! Jesus was black son! But don’t plead all them amendments son, not the 1 2 3 4 or fif!

I remember when I went to stay with my grandma and she asked me if I wanted some orange juice and she went in the fridge and poured out some shit that looked like orange water with sugar in it…I whispered to my sister…umm…this aint juice…and then my grandmomma looked at me hard and I said, this is some good juice grandma can I have some more please?

Tell a friend, juice is made from fruit! Drink is sugar water and color, in this case orange.

Juice? Wtf is juice?

2 07 2008
lisaturtle

“Believe you me, those pool sharks and shoplifters were no worse than some of these uppity suburban white (and ‘white-acting’ 😉 kids. They were shoplifting too and drinking, doing drugs and damn near torturing kids but were getting away with it scott-free. If my parents only knew what was going on they would’ve moved up out of the neighborhood and into a trailer park where they would know who was doing dirt.”

Soooo True WNBT, SO TRUE.

Now to address B4Prez, you are wrong my friend. As a Saved By The Bell JUNKIE I must inform you that she dated a little black cutie who was a freshman and she was a senior and was all worried about her rep. I also think she was supposed to date some dude when they had the kasey kasem ep but he dissed her bc she sprang her ankle. She and Zach also had a ONE EPISODE romance, it was only one EP but it still happened. They didn’t have to do my girl like that.

2 07 2008
ayo

Randy… if never heard the definition of juice vs. drink explained better.

2 07 2008
ayo

if = i’ve

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Also Donald Duck orange juice is some nasty shit! My grandma gave me that before. We both looked at it like what the frickandfrack is going on here.
Tang is also not orange juice and I think its kool-aide for white people b.c. only white people I knew had that shit in their house when I was growing up. My parents made the mistake of buying it b.c. we talked about it so much, not listening to the fact that we said we hated it.

Hey I went to private schools for a while and loved them. but then I went to public schools and enjoyed that too,

2 07 2008
lisaturtle

Ayo, I suppose you are not a fan of Dave Chapelle.

2 07 2008
lisaturtle

Donald Duck… AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! And 😦 at Tang! Eww!!! Can I get some Sunny D?

2 07 2008
Jen

Eff the onslaught, Yonnie. You just told the truth. Same can be said about some West Indians.

Popcorn – I didn’t assume anything. In an earlier post, I said that my mother REFUSED to put me in J&J, but despite that fact, 85% of my friends were J&J kids. I was in at least three other Black organizations plus church activities and went to a Black private school K-5th.

Also, in case you haven’t noticed, PG County is a very, very special place in America. There are few places (outside of Atlanta) that are anything like it. It’s one of the few places I can honestly say you could probably easily acquire the benefits of J&J without joining.

WNBT – you bring up an interesting point. I prefer my children to grow up primarily around the Black middle class because they are probably the “safest” group in America. Their children don’t wild out like middle class white kids or poorer, unsupervised Black children because we have retained the concept of not embarassing your mama in the Black middle class like no other non-immigrant group in America.

2 07 2008
Randy Watson

Dave did tell it better, but I had actual experience with the story and it wasn’t until I heard that joke that I realize what had happend to me 15 years before!

2 07 2008
lisaturtle

I don’t think PG County is anything like the grossness of Atlanta from someone who has lived in BOTH.

2 07 2008
lisaturtle

Right Randy? When he explained you were just like… HE’S SO RIGHT.

2 07 2008
Randy Watson

Dave did tell it better, but I had actual experience with the story and it wasn’t until I heard that joke that I realized what had happend to me 15 years before!

2 07 2008
lisaturtle

Ayo Jen, is your avatar from the Golddigger video? If I’m right, I’ve very upset with myself.

2 07 2008
Landon

LISA when were you in auc :

i was 99 to 2003

2 07 2008
B4Prez

@Lisaturtle – I grew up on Saved by the Bell (see, not all of us ‘urban’ kids were trouble) and I didn’t remember her dating a black guy. But since it’s ur name, and all, Im gonna let u have that 1, lol.

And what’s with using ur whole name at first introduction? Just wear a badge that says ‘I’m not from the hood’ on ur shirt. Karen Grigsby Bates??? Thanks, but ahhh…Karen is fine.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Sunny D sucks too! also white in my mind due to growing up. And the fact that those lying commercials acted like kids liked that. Sunny D is probably made by the same evil corporation that made Kix. My mom got bought into that crap to. Kix tastes like little ass beadles.

2 07 2008
lisaturtle

Ohh no boo, I is a youngin. LoL. 2006 and ONLY 2006. I’ll admit it, I should have went to Spelman. It would have appeased everyone. LoL. The first time I went to Spelman’s campus while at Clark I started crying looking at all the girls who were like me! LoL.

2 07 2008
Yonnie3k

Sugar. Water. Purple.

Alright good people. I’m off to get this 4 day weekend poppin’. Pray I don’t get shot in St. Louis. Isn’t it the murder capital or something liket that? Anywhoo – I expect a full report on Monday of the weekend’s festivities. Perhaps Chris will be hating on something SBPH gathering related.

And Ayo, this is just for you….

2 07 2008
lisaturtle

I loved Kix and Sunny D! Especially Berry Kix! LoL.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Yea, I feel very comfortable with middle class black folk and immigrant children because I feel we have the same background. High education, parental respect, fear of an asswhooping, no damn Sunny-D, wile out and you will die, don’t be a slut, date a white person and you will probably end up in jail, work hard, etc etc.

yes some of those were jokes. laugh

2 07 2008
aceklub

All this group stuff is definitely all over my head. All I have is a Greek affiliation and I didn’t learn about Greek life until I arrived at college. I guess I have a lot of catching up to do. My parents immigrated here and I was the first in my family to go to college. Also, are these J&J group a Southern thing?

2 07 2008
ayo

Yonnie.. thanks.
And I live in STL. You should survive.

2 07 2008
Jen

It sure is.

It’s the part where the gold digger starts stabbing at the air because her ass was left for a white girl.

2 07 2008
lisaturtle

Yea, I feel very comfortable with middle class black folk and immigrant children because I feel we have the same background. High education, parental respect, fear of an asswhooping, no damn Sunny-D, wile out and you will die, don’t be a slut, date a white person and you will probably end up in jail, work hard, etc etc.

yes some of those were jokes. laugh”

Mission accomplished.

2 07 2008
lisaturtle

Jen, I’m so mad I knew that.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

lisa i’m about to act like I’m your family on this sunny-d and kix tirade. too much time in the suburbs for you!

2 07 2008
Mrs.Epps

smh.. Muse i love you for that story… it kinda like how i got arrested i mentioned earlier..bitch came at me wrong thinking me and her ex was together when were just hommies at the mall shopping. I tell my friend handle that bitch and i walk off this hoe pushed me like she knew me and it was on…next thing i know security is pulling me off her on the floor with her weave in my hand..i didnt have a scratch on me but she was fuckeed…im the type thats like “yo you wanna fight you better bring your shit to the table” I’ll go all bruce leroy on your ass! Chuck Norris the shit outta her…

anywho back to the regular off topic convo 🙂

2 07 2008
Jen

WNBT – Joke?

Uh-uh. That was my ACTUAL UPBRINGING. lol

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

hey like crazy, just cuz it was a joke doesn’t mean it wasn’t true

2 07 2008
Sister Toldja

The girl who got left for a White girl wasn’t a gold digger. She stayed by his side and he fucked her over. At least in the narrative, that’s how I interpreted it. That verse never made sense to me. It’s plausable, but it didn’t fit the song. But I over think stuff.

2 07 2008
SoCalGal420

I just want to say thanks to Chris for this post, and all ya’ll commenters for cracking me up! I observed (and was held up and offended by) an incident at The Local Douchebag Barista Latte House this morning (yes, in Seattle there is a herpetic condition know as “being caffeinated and/or drunk as fuck at all times”, must be the weather…)wherein some Alabaster Princess held the fuckin line up for damn near 10 mins (and yes, Colin the A&F -esque barista tool indulged her hair flipping and nonsensical talking), continued talking even as a gay “couple” (or just some gay dudes, they mob ’round here)was being helped, then joined IN on her “I just turned 30, awesome” speech, all while my Black ass had to stand there silently, not being helped, then finally when it was my turn, not even so much as a “sorry I’m an asshole, thanks for waiting”. The icing was “oh, we’re outta sugar water so we cant get you lemondade..”after sitting there waiting for it for 10 more mins. Someone above mentioned that if we Black folks (women especially for fear of the dreaded Angry Black Bitch label)pointed out all the slights, and stupid stuff Whitey does, we’d be bitter; well I’m there Goddammit! 🙂 Consequently, I just had AMAZING marathon sex with an Irishman I met in a bar, how’s that for open-minded. 😉 Unfortantely not without having to first listen to his “White Man’s Burden” shit and being informed I was his “Black chick maiden voyage”…*sigh*

2 07 2008
B4Prez

1. Berry Berry Kix is great…(do they still make that)?

2. Many Caribbean and African ppl DO think they are better than black Americans because they came on their own (but ask the Caribbeans how they got to the Caribbean)…

3. Introducing yourself with your middle/whole name is lame. I don’t care if ur of the Wellingtons of PG County, I was probably just saying hello becus i thought u were cute.

4. Any ‘social’ group that wants to be taken seriously by those outside of its membership doesn’t need to have income guidelines. This is especially applied to ‘black’ groups, when income, or the lack there of, has been the biggest blanket issue for us since 1865. Talk about a slap in the face. SMH

And to all a good nite!

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Yea that sex had to be amazing to put up with that load of crap. What is going on with chics these days. First being treated like furniture for dude who liked computer games more than pussy now putting up with white man’s burden? GTFOH. Some crazy fellas out her must be slinging the magic stick.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

nighty nite prez

2 07 2008
Muse

I beat bitches up for breakfast!

2 07 2008
ayo

B4Prez:
The organizations who have income requriements dont give a hoot about the ppl who dont qualify. lol. they only time they care about them is when they are doing community service.

2 07 2008
Poppcorrn

@ LisaTurtle — woo-woo! Lake Arbor in the hizzy! (man, I NEVER get to shout-out the old hood!) 🙂

2 07 2008
zoso

“Think about all the basketball fights you have seen in the last 10 years… How many tiems did cats miss BADLY and look like they had no hand skills.”

One point. Fighting is an innate part of hockey. It’s a rudimentary part of the sport, hell, it’s often part of game strategy. That said, of course hockey fights are more intense. Also, that’s why a hockey player would most likely win against a basketball player in a fight.

2 07 2008
Poppcorrn

@ Landon re: PG County and Jack & Jill
Oh, word? My bad, I guess it was just me and my friends (whoops, “my friends and I”) that weren’t in the know… carry on. 🙂

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Muse we already established you as the SBPH bully. And i thought you beat people up for an afternoon snack (3pm). You’re doing double duty now?

2 07 2008
Sister Toldja

Lisa and WNBT- Thank you so much for your praise! I really am Glenda the Good Witch up in this bitch, lol.

How I arrived here: I was raised with a very unique cultural perspective- only one of my friends (young Bailey B.) has had a similar experience. Dad is a biracial Black Panther-turned-radical militant police detective and my (single) mother is a former SNCC member/old school bohemian chick originally from the Robert Taylor Homes. I was raised in Hyde Park (Obama’s hood), a mixed race, mixed income neighborhood that is the home to the elite University of Chicago, and a lot of gang members. We had little money, but lived literally blocks away from million-dollar homes and one of the country’s first Starbucks. I went to top-flight public schools, cavorted with the children of other militants as well as the Jack and Jill set. I attended and later worked at Jewish Community Center and I went to services at Mosque Mariam to hear Minister Farrahkhan speak.

I was like a have and a have not at the same time. We struggled a bit financially when I was younger, but I never realized it because what we lacked in money, my mom made up in cultural experiences and love. We went museums every week and ate at Thai and Mediterrainian restaurants as a kid. I went to a private pre-school on a scholarship. I was exposed to people from so many different socio-economic backgrounds and cultures (though I did end up spending most of my time with Black folks, subconciously in some instances and by choice in others). I think my parents did a fab job in raising a little warrior woman, minus my mother’s concerns that I was gonna be stuck-up because I was light-skinned. I still fuss at her for that.

2 07 2008
Sister Toldja

Sunny D burns my throat! So does quarter waters! YUCK!

So, Kix. I had a lot of Kix in my day. When I was little, my mother didn’t like letting me eat things like Trix, Froot Loops, Sunny D….fake, unhealthy foods. I was DYING for Trix. Dying. This is back when they looked like Kix, little spheres of fuckery.

I’m begging like “Please, I NEED Trix. Do you see that bunny in the commercial? Ooh he funny. Please give me some Trix.” Finally she tells me that when you bought a box of Trix, there was just Kix inside and you had to buy the coloring and flavoring seperately and that we didn’t have the time or money to be making cereal from scratch. Then we made some healthy scones she found in Parents magazine that tasted like door stops.

My mom is the best.

2 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA, no time to make cereal from scratch. And then made scones from scratch. Too funny. Yo’ moms was great.

2 07 2008
lisaturtle

Only thing my mom ever scratched was a box! I keed!

I always love ST’s comments!

Poppcorn, WOODMORE COMMUNITY! That’s who I’m reppin… For two years before I moved to Crofton! What What!

2 07 2008
lisaturtle

Ohh and WNBT, LMFAO @ sounding like my family!!!

2 07 2008
Aisha

White people are delusional. Period.

LMFAO @ figure 3 and the Brad Pitt comment.

3 07 2008
Muse

OMG OMG OMG OMG. Look at these men’s line of underwear. I’m so dead!

http://www.vizeau.com/e22.htm

http://www.vizeau.com/e16.htm

http://www.vizeau.com/f3.html

3 07 2008
Muse

These undies would be perfect for Landon Bahahaha

3 07 2008
shaniqua

i dont understand why white people wear bandanas at the gym, let alone at all.

and c, i hope your book features pics of chicken jon. that boy is fiiiinnne

3 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

While I agree with the post I do think that dude was wrong for screaming out she got a badonkadonk. Now being a sister with a big ass, I have been involved in a couple of skirmishes because of this type of behavior. The guy was stupid for responding but your friend was stupid for instigating that one. However I totally agree with everything else. I had a white girl get all in my face in college and when it escalated and i beat her ass she put me under citizens arrest (for real) and I went to jail (for real). She was drunk on a dry campus and pushed me. there were several witnesses but basically because they were black and I beat her ass it didnt matter. I had to plead guilty and go to anger management and community service because the lawyer was straight up and said that the city was a small white town and the pictures alone would get me convicted.

3 07 2008
Justin

This entry could also be titled “Irresponsible Vietnamese Men”.

lol

3 07 2008
shabooty

yea mb on not commenting as much. apparently freetime was a key ingredient in the big-bang-boom cause yall mother fluckers are made up of it =)
while im made up of mostly h20 right? shrug.

or something.

lol at this myspace friend request no b.s.:
“SUM POOSIE ENERGY DRINK would like to be added as one of your friends!”

damn
i must be elite.
$

3 07 2008
Knatural

Shaniqua?

3 07 2008
Sylph

Shh…it’s Chris’ alter ego minus the pumps.

As you were.

3 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

I was sitting here thinking how “shaniqua” got the green background behind her comment

3 07 2008
willnotbetelevised

Yea, is shaniqua Chris’s inner fat girl?????????

3 07 2008
Knatural

See what happy hour does to folks…

3 07 2008
letinstar

white folks always seem to have faith in the cops until the cops turn on them…

3 07 2008
Randy Watson

Milky! Cereal baby!

3 07 2008
ph2072

Way too many comments to read through them all, but this one caught my eye and especially the last paragraph:

Sister Toldja (17:52:58) :

Landon- Vomit vomit vomit. I judge men on looks, intelligents, personality, life goals….but I wouldn’t ask a potenial mate about investments or credit score. And I wouldn’t judge someone harshly (as some of your folks do) if they went to a state school or one of the less ‘elite’ HBCUs (cause we know some of our people only consider HU, Hampton and SpellHouse “acceptable”).

It’s not that my TRIPLE D’s are not enough, it’s that I’m a bohemian chick, an artist and former educator. I am not the AmEx carrying, JP Morgan working for, Ballenciaga bag coveting girl men like y’all prefer. I wore dreads for three years. I don’t think I am Carrie Bradshaw. I would probably politely decline an invitation for my kids to join Jack And Jill, and put them in an African-centered rites of passage program instead. Not to say I could never find love with one of y’all, but it is unlikely.

Partying with pretentious people in Manhattan just isn’t fun to me. And I’m sure one of your folks would be happy to go home drunk with me, and be up in time to go meet some high-toned, fashion buyer named Bethany with an illustrious Black elite bloodline for lunch the next day. I’ll pass.
______________________________________

*cyber high-five*

Speak the truth. Those kind of people make me physically ill. Pretentious elitist self-righteous assholes.

3 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

OOOOHHHHH!!! I think that is what they call “sonned” ( learned that word from VSB.Com today!) LMAO

3 07 2008
gkg

anyone still saying “badonkadonk” is lame.

3 07 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

“I was sitting here thinking how “shaniqua” got the green background behind her comment”

Shaniqua is a friend of mine (probably my buddy Landmine or the Anal Kowboy) trying to anger/scare Chicken Jon.

How he got the green BG to show up, I have no idea.

3 07 2008
SOMALI QUEEN

I wish someone would kick all the tough talking people here to Somalia and have thier arses handed to them by a 10 yr old drunk on camel milk……..

3 07 2008
Landon

to assume we are all prentenious fucks as wrong as thinking all people from teh south are simple country folk.

I love girls with dreads. Yes there are a lot of bankers but their are peopel in fashion music and man other industries. At least in NYC the black professional landscape is diverse as are the people of NYC. IN DC you work in govt or law 80% of the time. In NYC you can meet people from all walks off life. Its going to be a sweat box ol school dance party… Its going to be good DRUNKEN TIMES!

3 07 2008
Mrs.Epps

Somali-by a 10 yr old drunk on camel milk……..

LMAOO

3 07 2008
Landon

Cant wait for tonight… I will be DONE!!! 🙂

3 07 2008
puff

i mean i guess it depends on how hungry the somali child is and if any of the people who’ve been talking on the post are holding a big ass camel burger…

@ landon – do you by any chance go to the halloween day parade? cos i think i might have seen you/tried to take a picture of you last year…

3 07 2008
Mrs. Kennedy

ST, Ph2702 – “Those kind of people make me physically ill. Pretentious elitist self-righteous assholes.”

I wouldn’t describe myself as “AmEx carrying, JP Morgan working for, Ballenciaga bag coveting girl” but I do like nice bags, work for a different Fortune 100, own an AmEx, and often find that people who profess a hatred of “elitist” are as self-rigtheous as those assholes. I find their perspective to be reactionary, very much like “I don’t like them because i think they don’t like me,” and wonder what my perm did to make people think I just might think I’m better than them.

ST, when you describe yourself, you described my big sister to a T, right down to the giant breasts. She aligned herself with a pan african organization many years ago and has raised her daughter in that way, and in her attempts to solely surround herself with like people, she alienated people like me as she was under the assumption that our choices indicate some kind of (insert pan african based psycho babble here). YET she wanted everyone to respect her decisions and culture without judgement – which is all anyone wants, right?

I don’t condone anything that causes strife and division within our race and culture, but those comments felt like the pot calling the kettle black.

3 07 2008
Sister Toldja

Somali- As none of the tough talk was directed at you, I suspect you thought of that line some time ago and was just dying to use it.

Listen, a one hand clap for you:

3 07 2008
Landon

I was in the village with my Cousin she was a cop…

white people were MAD…. i had a green container (water bottle) full of jack daniels… my cuz and I were beyond drunk…

we ended up at lotus (CRACKING)

3 07 2008
Sister Toldja

Mrs K- Read my other comments. I also stepped up to defend the Jack And Jill massive a few times, while others had a ‘hating bashment’ (get it?). That specific comment addressed why men like Landon and I don’t click usually.

3 07 2008
SOMALI QUEEN

Funny. My comment wasn’t directed at you Ms. Jiggly Jelly. 🙂

3 07 2008
Sister Toldja

Nice work, dumb cunt. Borrow your jokes from the anorexic model from the Facebook. I’d friend you so you could see what a Jamilah who lives up to the meaning of her name looks like. But I wouldn’t want you to feel bad about yourself. Conventional wisdom points to you looking like a goblin.

3 07 2008
puff

@ landon haha i think i did see you, and now i’m mad cos i was going to go to lotus but my lame ass ended up heading back early cos a) i was running around bare-legged and dying of cold and b) i had an arabic test the next morning.

3 07 2008
SOMALI QUEEN

AHAHAHAHAH@the insults!

Did I hit a nerve? Sowwie…..NOT

Come on girl…try harder. There is usually something wrong with people who must talk about how fine they look 24/7. Beautiful people don’t brag 😉

3 07 2008
Sister Toldja

No nerve, love. Fellas like the jiggle in the 38DDDs. 😉

I don’t talk about being pretty 24-7. You knew that, because you read all of our posts, despite having once been banned.

And I don’t think attractive women spend a lot of time harping about other womens percieved physical flaws…..how cute are YOU feeling today, “Beautiful One”?

3 07 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

“Beautiful people don’t brag ;)”

Then I guess that would make you ugly as SHIT.

http://stuffblackpeoplehate.com/2008/04/30/ethiopians/#comment-5649

SOMALI QUEEN: “I would send you my picture chris but I don’t want you jerking off to it. Besides you don’t deserve to lay your eyes on this level of beauty — you deserve to be bitch slapped.”

Jackass.

3 07 2008
ayo

3 07 2008
Mrs.Epps

damn..and my day was getting hella crazy sad….until now ahahah i love you guys dammit i wish i could make it tmrw..FUCK i gotta pull some strings forreal…I cant miss all the Hilarity that awaits!

3 07 2008
Monie

…eats bagel and drinks Frappuccino while watching war between Somali Queen and Sister Toldja….

3 07 2008
Jo

…nearly chokes on sandwich after reading Chris’s message….

3 07 2008
Mrs. Kennedy

ST – I hadn’t read the rest of the comments as I am too lazy to do all of that scrolling, plus I have The Man on my back. Good insight and yes, i got the “bashment.” 🙂
I’ll be in NY for the weekend, any good spots? Where does one watch the fireworks in NY?
And I see you have a new best friend! You’re right, she spells it wrong, as my name is Kamilah, and it kills me to see Kameela. . .

3 07 2008
Monie

Mrs. Kennedy,

It’s been a while but the best place I’ve ever found to watch fireworks in NYC was at The WaterClub on the East River.

3 07 2008
sistertoldja

I didn’t even think about fireworks! I have only watched them in once city…”baby do you remember when, fireworks at Lake Michigaaaaan….” (Rocks hard like Chris Martin in the video)

As far as good spots, girl I am such a Brooklyn-ass B-girl these days. I’m trying to go see Afrika Bambataa at BAM and party with some backpacker boys like it’s 97, lol! There is a party on Friday being hosted by an HU Alum and some others. Email me and I will forward u the stuff I get for the weekend: sister.toldja@thebeautifulstruggler.com

And yes, much like in real life, the crazies always find me! Damn phonetic ass spelling of her name-fool!

3 07 2008
sistertoldja

*in one city that is

3 07 2008
aceklub

Yes, I must agree…I love the jiggle of the 38DDD’s. Not Sister Toldja’s jiggle…at least not yet ;-)…lol I kid, I kid.

3 07 2008
SOMALI QUEEN

Wow — I applaud your detective skills. That one comment just shuts the case huh? WOWIEEEEEEEEEEEEE

3 07 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

“Wow — I applaud your detective skills. That one comment just shuts the case huh? WOWIEEEEEEEEEEEEE”

Your attempts to save face are pathetic. Try harder, or go home.

3 07 2008
SOMALI QUEEN

And as I recall Mr. Trigger Finger…YOU asked for my pic!!!!!!! PERVERT!!!!!!

3 07 2008
Educated NSU Demon

Reading this whole post, for some reason, made me flash back to this particular incident on Family Guy. I know the two cases aren’t very related, but they have a similar theme going…both of which are hilarious.

http://www.mymediaplaylist.com/viewvideo/210/Family_Guy___Peter_s_Speech_At_Million_Man_March/

3 07 2008
Mr. Smith

Jeez I hate not being 21. Im not involved in shit on here

3 07 2008
puff

i’m so furious at somali queen for saying some shit like “WOWEEEEEEIII” in sarcasm or not. goddamn east africans…

3 07 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

“And as I recall Mr. Trigger Finger…YOU asked for my pic!!!!!!! PERVERT!!!!!!”

How is this relevant to your “beautiful people don’t brag about being beautiful” comment and the subsequent showing of your figurative ass?

Damn right I asked for your picture. Put up or shut up. Until then, I’m going to correctly assume that you look like a shorn scrotum.

3 07 2008
Monie

Puff,

I really don’t think Somoli Queen is actually Somali. As I’ve said before; I think Somali Queen is really a guy named Chester who lives in him mother’s basement in the Corona section of Queens, N.Y.

He just imagines himself to be a Queen.

3 07 2008
Monie

Should be: who lives in HIS mother’s…

3 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

LMAO you guys are crazy as hell. I was going to comment on the whole jack and jill/elitist discussion that went on earlier but for fear of becoming the next somali queen/creole beauty I will leave it alone. Now I know what Creole did but what has Somali did that caused all of this ire?

3 07 2008
blackberry molasses

co-sign shay-d-lady… i was just about to say that…

and why aren’t the other Africans on here talking about how we are percieved as elitist/snobberish (my word)?

then again… the way I hear my mother talkabout some of her research assistants…. yeesh…

3 07 2008
nelo

@Puff

I understand. 🙂

How’s Nigeria? I haven’t been back in a while.

3 07 2008
MiracleMax

while im sure kicking a white guys ass in DC is quite easy, try kicking a white guys ass who lives in a rural setting. Those are the crazy fuckers because of the small amount of social interaction. Its easy to lump white guys in a group that cant kick a minorities ass when all you know around you are pansy white guys more worried about their chances for becoming president and the attack a street fight might have on their carreers. You should understand, that even though white guys (and im talking about city white guys, not rural white guys) might look like they are about to get into a fight (unless they are drunk) they will avoid actual fighting at ALL costs, they will yell and holler, and say nasty things, but unless they are drunk, or maybe have a girlfriend near them, they will not throw a punch. White guys are very very worried about how people think of them, so unless you want to get into a fight, call him a weak pussy who cant protect his girlfriend (while the girlfriend is there) and then he try to fight. Otherwise, white guys wont get into fights. Thats why they liked fight club so much, because they would get into fights for noooo reason at all, which made the white guys watching like it more. When watching the guys in fight club beat the shit out of eachother, a white guy will appreciate the men int he movie for fighting for no reason and not being worried about the effects it will have on their job. No need to be afraid of white guys unless you live in arkansas, or they are heading a country with an actual army full of minorities, and hicks behind them to fight for their wants while they sit on a lovely leather chair watching “Myth Busters” and drinking a Coors light.

3 07 2008
TomatoHead

Dear oh dear…I really must start getting here earlier 🙂

On topic: White frat dudes pull this type of shit all the time. I had an incident once at a frat party I went to with a black girlfriend of mine. She and I were chatting and drinking some particularly delish drinks (they had super girlie drinks and it was more of a cockatil party) when all of a sudden some girl comes out of nowhere and spills her drink on me.

It wasn’t on purpose so I wasn’t super pissed, the girl was sloppy drunk and started apologizing straight away so I was like, whatevs, this top is dark anyway. Her boyfriend (some kind of Middle Eastern) comes up and starts apologizing as well and all is cool until some spectacularly drunk popped-collar dude comes up beind me and starts shaking his hands (like, literally shaking them up and down like he’s throwing water off of them) and screaming “NO, THAT AIN’T RIGHT MAN!” This is the convo that followed:

Boyfriend: It’s cool, relax man.
White dude: NAW, YOUR BITCH CAN’T SPILL DRINKS MAN, THAT’S NOT COOL!”
Boyfriend: Whatever man.

And the boyfriend walks away, dragging his girlfriend. The white dude meanwhile is talking all kinds of shit between asking me if I’m ok and if I needed help getting the drink off my shirt. My girl Joy was laughing her ass off and the white boy started laughing too. Which made me laugh. So we all ended up looking like a bunch of drunk laughing idiots.

Off topic to Shay: Somali Cunt is a royal pain in everyone’s ass because of her self-righteous BS and her penchant for trying to seem like she’s above all of us posters because she’s more morally sound.

4 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

OHHHH So that explains it.. she hasnt really been on the threads that I have been a part of so I wasnt sure. LOL I know that seeing the way you guys get on her and the creole chick I try to make sure my posts dont target anyone negatively.

4 07 2008
SOMALI QUEEN

LoL. Don’t change your opinions because your afraid you might hurt someone’s feelings Shay. You can look at any of my comments and you’ll be hard pressed to find me saying that I’m better than anyone. The only reason that these chicks and one psuedo-dude have their knickers in a wad is because I actually have opinions that differ from them. Some people are not as open minded as they want you to believe 😉

And it’ll be a cold day in hell when I become ashamed of having morals and class. It amazes me to no end that that is seen as something negative. WHO WOUDA THUNK?!

4 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

Well I dont change my opinions, I just try to make sure that in voicing my opinion I respect those that might disagree and those with whom I disagree. I try to do this anytime that I have time to think and respond as in face to face interaction I do not seem to have the ability to moderate my thoughts before speaking..LOL

4 07 2008
ChaoticDiva

lol @ SBPH and “shorn scrotum”

*giggles sheepishly*

@ Somali Queen…I have respect for you sticking to your opinion and not faltering under pressure, kudos.

…just staying neutral. I had a bad enough day and no tequila to counter it.

4 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

I agree Chaotic… I mean it seems to me that a lot of people will co-sign on whatever the popular opinion of the moment is knowing good and damn well they dont agree. it takes a strong person to stick to their guns, especially when their opinion is grossly unpopular.

4 07 2008
RiPPa

I dunno if its really the cops that have these white boys feelin kinda brolic. Those cats all still think Chuck Norris coulda kicked Kareem’s ass in that Bruce Lee movie (sorry can’t remember the title) back in the day. Yeah man, when shit jump’s off, those cats get 10ft tall and bullet proof.

P.S. you’re right, “Fight Club” has gotten alotta white boys fucked up.

4 07 2008
Sister Toldja

Somali- You may have “morals”, but so does the Republican Party. And how do you reconsile your “class” with your proclivity to log on a website that you don’t like and say things about people you disagree with. You are as much the moral compass of SBPH as Fox News is the moral compass of the Black community. You are the same asshole who declared the superior beauty and hair texture of Somali women compared to African American sisters and then had the nerve to be offended when you were asked to take your ass back to your native land of milk and honey if you find Black women (and men- also a target of your assholery) so reprehensible.

In summation, nobody likes you, not even Jesus. Go eat fireworks.

4 07 2008
Sister Toldja

Chaotic- You weren’t reading the blog yet when she was cutting up and eventually got banned. She isn’t even posting any “opinions” of note, she just comes on here to start some shit because she’s a pathetic, probably VERY ugly, asshole

4 07 2008
SOMALI QUEEN

Sister Jiggles,

You are so pathetic it’s not funny. First of all I promise to apologize to everyone and leave and never come back (and actually mean it) if you direct me to the comments I left where I

1. Said I didnt like this blog (diagreeing with posts does not equate hating the blog)

2. I said anything about Somalis having superior hair and beauty (in a way that put black american women down.)

You will never find it ( and when you realize that you know where to kiss). Because you dreamed all this shit up. You have gotten too emotionally involved in a freaking site.

Having said that I will never ever leave anywhere because some idiot doesnt like me. Grow the hell up and stop investing too much of your feelings into this blog. It’s just a damn site among millions.

Sheesh.

4 07 2008
SOMALI QUEEN

^The last point does not relate to my promise. Just a general rule I have. That’s how normal people get through live without turning into sniveling little babies.

5 07 2008
Get Togetha

Dang! I’m always late! But to share:

“It’s a movie that supports a myth that fighting is easy, punches (both giving and receiving) don’t hurt that much, and white people have unreal pain tolerances.”

Classic line SBPH. Grade A Hollywood manufactured white boy/strength.

I live a Harlem and someone above told a story about a white boy mushing a black boy in the face. Not surprising at all; cause the white folks that have gentrified Harlem have figured out that blacks are willing to kill ten of their own kind before they have the audacity to lay a finger on one of them. Entitlement like a mug. It’s the collective memory of the whites and the ancestral memory of the blacks that let’s everyone know their places.

http://www.gettogetha.com/blog/

5 07 2008
Sister Toldja

Somali- I apologize, it must have been the other East African bitch, Ethiopian Queen…but that doesn’t mean you aren’t a complete asshole. You have nothing clever to say, so you resort to 5-year-old name calling. I thought you came to this site to keep us morally grounded? Have we corrupted you, or where you this big a cunt to begin with? Keep it rolling with the comments on my looks as you hide behind a picture of Africa. Bitch, I’m cute, jiggles and all. You probably look like some shit I scraped off my shoe. We take the site too seriously? FIne, leave. Bye. Die. You may have morals but class? Bitch, please. If you had class you wouldn’t have thought to figure out a way to log in AFTER BEING BANNED. “Normal people”, as you describe yourself, don’t do things like that.

As far as the millions of sites go, why don’t YOU go to one of the others? You DID say that you came here to be a moral voice that we so needed. That is completely insane. I come to this site because I like the writing and the comments are funny. You come to this site for no reason but to disagree with people and name call. Again, insane.

5 07 2008
scarletjones

blog jewels courtesy of Somali Queen:

SOMALI QUEEN (17:53:01) :

1. I am so sick of every second person said ‘DEAD!’ ……. honestly its being FUCKING OVERUSED. EXPAND YOUR VOCABS BITCHES!!!!
2. SOMALIANS ARE 1000 TIMES MORE BEAUTIFUL THAN FUGLY ASS ETHIOPIANS.

SOMALI QUEEN (17:57:36) :

^ I would send you my picture chris but I don’t want you jerking off to it.
Besides you don’t deserve to lay your eyes on this level of beauty — you deserve to be bitch slapped.

SOMALI QUEEN (19:20:34) :

What right do server’s have in expecting a tip? I don’t get a tip for my measly retail job which pays more or less the same as a waiter so don’t expect me to fork over for a job you’re getting paid for. I only pay a tip when the service is SPECTACULAR.
It pisses me off instead of people being grateful for any tip they get — they have the nerve to get angry about a small one. Greedy pigs.

SOMALI QUEEN (22:33:07) :

$2.60? WTF? Are we talking about the stone ages or the fcuking ghetto or what? I have never heard of that — I don’t know what you’re all smoking but that’s slave labour — your kidding right?

SOMALI QUEEN (06:31:28) :

Most stereotypes are based on some truth — no matter how small. And it’s not a lie that most young black men look like wannabe thugs.
That doesn’t mean most of you have to please whitey and try to act like a preppy white boy/girl.
Slavery ended baby, stop being such butt kissers!

SOMALI QUEEN (18:24:19) :

Who gives a flying flip what a random dude in a feather suit thinks about black women? loooooooooooooooooooool I almost had a MI laughing so hard that some of ya’ll are taking it personally. lol get a life people

stuffblackpeoplehate (18:31:54) :

“lol get a life people”
This coming from a ‘woman’ who took the time to find another IP to post comments from after being banned…

Idiot.

SOMALI QUEEN (18:34:58) :

You didn’t ban me…I preemptively quit and came back…tada!

SOMALI QUEEN (01:53:14) :

Persians are the most self hating, white wanna be group of people (aside from Black Americans) I have ever met.

5 07 2008
SOMALI QUEEN

HAHAHAHAHA HOLY MACAROONI

Hmmm. Forgot about those. Although that promise was directed @ ST and she failed…I’d still honour it.

Peace.

6 07 2008
ChaoticDiva

Wow.

I wont even bother perpetuating the bullshit. Maybe if we ignore the ignorance, it will go away. Seriously, after reading those comments Somali….wow…you come off as if you’re looking at the world through a peephole called your anal orifice.

Wow.

I’m done here.

6 07 2008
scarletjones

@ Somali – I didn’t post your “dirty drawls” as a means to run you off the blog. just a little reminder that people are watching and listening and that it doesn’t look good when you talk down on people for things you’ve done (i.e. – use bad language, throw out unwarranted insults, generalize, etc..)

We let it all hang out here…. and you can too, but just bring it down with all the moral-high-ground-i-don’t-stoop-to-ya’lls-level stuff man. It doesn’t come with extra cool points.

“let’s all help each other help ourselves!” – scarletjones

6 07 2008
maya

LMAO @ ScarletJones. That was so amazing. *e-hug*

6 07 2008
aboveaverageblackman

if you want to try out bizarre fighting techniques and shit you may have seen in video games always try it in fights with drunk white men. These generally uncoordinated fuckers will do everything short of running into your balled up fist. Picking on a drunk white cat in a scrap is a good way to get your (job, relationship, sex,) swagger back.

also, on an unrelated note, “Aye Somali, tell me how my ass tastes!”

6 07 2008
aboveaverageblackman

Also, Landon I am riding with you on whatever you say cat! Anybody getting at Landon has blog beef with me from now on! You have been forewarned!

Uh, I apologize for using forewarned, as it is a word that is certainly not gangsta, you, however, understand my meaning.

9 07 2008
craven

I think white guys assume that if there is a fight, it will be mano y mano like in the old days. I think there is a notion that for a gang to beat up an individual is dishonorable for the gang. They assume that because they would (purportedly) act honorably by not ganging up on someone in a fight, that others would do the same. (no need to go into issues with that “logic”).

On that note, I think it is dishonorable to gang up on an individual in a fight. Unless it’s twenty 5-year-olds versus Brad Pitt.

27 02 2009
Name

Wow, what a pack of niggers we got here.

Amazing the shit you find on the Internet.

Here’s the thing black people hate most:

They aren’t white.

Have a good one!

17 08 2009
Matt

You shouldve whoop his ass but don’t fret on all us white folk we aren’t all built the same. Reminds me of a time at the beach when some drunk piece of shit called my friend a nigger(he more asked me why I’m hanging out with him) and I was ready to knock him out but my friend didn’t want to because we were outnumbered about 8 to 2 had the other been there we would’ve been in jail but thats fine by me. The thing that made me wanna fuck him up even more was his friend who looked scared as shit coming up to both of us apologizing saying his friend was drunk, to which i promptly told him I could care less(at least I know he wasn’t a dick though). Really I think it would’ve came down to it, it would’ve been 2 to 1 cause all his friends were punks and he would’ve had to fight cause we would’ve murdered him. We told em we’d be back but by the time we met up with our other 2 friends and searched the strip we were long gone.

17 08 2009
Matt

we after strip should’ve been they*

22 08 2009
Joey

I have lived on both sides of the proverbial tracks. Grew up partly in a rich old money suburb, and another part in a poor mostly black small city. I am also (sort of) one of the guys you speak of. I can fight though, and do have an insane pain tolerance. Once went through what should have been a painful surgery, was prescribed hard core pain killers, didn’t need to take one.

Why do I fight, well the answer is painfully simple and unromantic. I have a terrible temper, I have punched through windows, with my hand bleeding and kept on going, many times I have ended up with black eyes, not even sure how I got them during the fight. You can’t reason with me when I am pissed off, short of knocking me out, I keep on going. Now in truth most other white guys can’t fight for shit. Mainly because they fight each other, and think “Wow I’m good” and then the fight someone who had to fight and realize they are out of their league.

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