Music Videos

30 06 2008

It’s been a good two years since I last saw a music video of any kind. The last time I watched them regularly, Queen Latifah’s ‘U.N.I.T.Y.’ was a popular song and ‘The Box’ wasn’t a sexual slur. In olden times, a lot of hiphop music videos were visual representations of the narratives given in the songs. The really popular songs that the old folks didn’t like at least tended to have a story to them, and even ferociously conservative people like my father openly expressed an appreciation for the artistic flair and creativity of the videos and their expression*.

Figure 1: Goddammit…

Then last Friday rolled around. As Shabooty** and I waited at my place for more of our friends to show up for a night of drunken lunacy, this sand-dwelling fucktard turns my television to MTV Jams and fills my condo with the sights and sounds of the modern-day hiphop video for the next thirty fucking minutes. The following happened as a result:

  • The value of my home dropped 50%
  • My IQ dropped to 74
  • I became a HUGE fan of eugenics
  • I killed Shabooty – at least in one of several…
  • …Nightmares I had featuring Lil’ Wayne proposing to my daughter

The music videos I saw on Friday were the most remarkably retarded cookie-cutter manufactured works of ‘creativity’ I have ever seen. I don’t remember who any of the artists were (with the exception of Lil’ Wayne, who I’ll deal with in a minute), but I do remember that each video borrowed from the same bag of reusable hiphop music video elements:

  • Some asshole getting a haircut
  • Some asshole ‘singing’ or ‘rapping’ three inches from a chick’s face
  • Some asshole in a barn or barn-like structure for no apparent reason
  • Some asshole wearing a t-shirt with the name and image of a dead friend
  • Some asshole with 40lbs of gold in his mouth constantly baring his teeth
  • Some asshole dressed like an ex-con with easy access to glitter successfully seducing some professional looking chick
  • Some asshole flaunting his ‘thuggishness’ out of spite in a country club, high end restaurant, or equally inappropriate venue
  • Some asshole driving a giant SUV with spinning rims
  • Some asshole constantly self-affirming his gangster status
  • Some asshole flashing a giant wad of $100 bills at some doe-eyed chick
  • Booty

Figure 2: Ruining black America, one shitty song at a time

Every single video featured one or more idiots, each more unattractive than the last, singing exclusively about vapid materialistic bullshit. This isn’t anything new – ever since Viacom dug its claws into hiphop the music has always included some degree of this. But what’s different now is that ENTIRE TRACKS feature nothing more than dudes talking about their haircuts, grillz, shades, rims, clothes, cars, and cars.

As much as five straight minutes of this shit in each video…over and over again…for thirty minutes. Despite the fact that watching it was more traumatizing than watching video of the human aftermath of car crashes, my psyche was pretty well postured to recover itself back to normalcy. Until a Lil’ Wayne video came on.

Anyone that’s watched MTV Jams this week has seen this video, because it’s the MTV Jams Video of the Week. In this video, the screen flashes green over and over again for thirty seconds until some ugly be-dredlocked overtattooed asshole jumps onto the stage and, for the next four minutes or so, runs around the stage at some live event jumping up and down and yelling at you in what sounds like a hoarse and unintelligible combination of Zulu, Farsi, Algonquin, and Cantonese mixed in with some good old fashioned tard-groaning. Seeing this idiot, whom I recognized as Lil’ Wayne after about 90 seconds, made me want to get on the phone and start donating money to abortion clinics in the south.

Figure 3: I’m going to get so much shit about this…

What amazes me, after seeing this video, is how much everybody loves this fucking guy. Every verbal assault I’ve ever made on Lil’ fucking Wayne has resulted in someone(s) rushing to his defense while failing utterly to give any valid reason why his very existence shouldn’t be a federal crime. His fame makes no sense to me, which is significant because I don’t hold the bar very high for what justifies celebrity. Case in point: Paris Hilton’s fame is entirely understandable to me***.

Lil’ Wayne, however, just boggles the mind. He doesn’t have any real vocal talent (e.g. Mariah Carey), dancing ability (e.g. Ne-Yo), or lyrical genius (e.g. Teddy Riley), nor does he have overwhelming physical attractiveness to make up for a lack of other talents (e.g. Beyonce – see upcoming aside). The fact that Lil’ Wayne is famous (in a positive light) proves that the very ether of logic is being eroded, the cause likely being something cosmic. After all, we’re only a few years away from crossing the galactic plane again, and there’s no telling how close we may or may not be to a black hole.

Lil’ Wayne is proof that the world will end, as the Mayan’s predicted, on December 21, 2012.

Figure 4: Fear it.

Aside: Beyonce Cannot Sing

Awhile ago, Destiny’s Child received a Grammy and when they went on stage to accept the award, they harmonized part of their acceptance speech. This was apparently done to dispel rumors that Destiny’s Child has no real vocal talent, as if anyone else couldn’t gather up two other morons and have them harmonize for five fucking seconds.

Beyonce can’t sing. She just can’t. She sucks at it. I don’t care how many childhood singing contests she won – as an adult, she CANNOT sing. Ella Fitzgerald could sing. Sarah Vaughan could sing. Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey can sing. Beyonce, on the other hand, sounds like a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs. Her voice is grading, nasally, whiny, and utterly devoid of anything pleasant.

Beyonce is to music what rugby is to a hemophiliac.

End Aside

*In my father’s parlance, this approval was given with an emotionally neutral grunt
**My clinically insane Persian friend, often referenced by the much more appropriate nickname ‘Asshole
***White America forever is, has, and will be enamored with the ‘heiress’ concept and anything else remotely related to fairy tales – no matter how much of a fucking asshole the benefactor is

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30 06 2008
Angry IV

Chris,

You have embodied every feeling I have ever had about Lil’ Wayne in paragraph form. Oh, but you left about the part about him being unbelievably gay, and people still flocking to ride the meat-pony like it’s going out of style.

An outstanding post, good Sir. I’d be interested to see what the rest of these knaves have to say about this one, and your respective responses to the comments.

30 06 2008
Bassey

Yes. Yes. AND FUCKING YES!!!!
I’m old. I remember when everyone HATED Lil Wayne and the whole No Limit/Cash Money Clique. Now all of a sudden he’s the second coming? of what???? How is anyone in hip hop supporting this dude with a straight face?
Kanye spent all of his “dead mommy” credit when he supported both Lil Wayne and defended Soulja Boy. A few years ago, both of them (Rick Ross, Sean FUCKING KINGSTON, T Pain, et al) would have been laughed off the damn stage now their buffoonery is being celebrated, lauded even! I’d rather set my teeth on fire than listen to any of them.

And it’s not even a ‘backpacker/underground” vs mainstream thing. That’s too easy. It’s a wack vs. good thing. Lil Wayne and his addicted to Children’s Tylenol ass is wack. Period. As excited (Lawd, yes!) as I was too see Maxwell, I was sad too because he wasnt’ up there to win an award, he was there to celebrate a legend. Who is going to be a legend in 20 years? T Pain?? Akon’s retarded ass? And if anyone says R. Kelly….

30 06 2008
Nick

If I like Kanye West does that make me…

1. stupid
2. ignorant
3. mainstream
4. someone who chooses to like what he likes, and a big FU to anyone who disagrees

Serious (and or comedic) responses please.

PS – Who the fuck is Lil Wayne? He looks thirty plus to me.

30 06 2008
Knatural

Thanks again.
“be-dredlocked”? That’s new. Jukebox/The Box was the best. The same video requested 10 times in one hour!
Hip-hop videos started to suck after Hype Williams made Belly.

30 06 2008
Knatural

For the record: I hate Lil Wayne. Looking at him makes my ovaries disintegrate.

30 06 2008
Bassey

AND I overheard some 12 year olds talking about how sexy Lil Wayne is. What the hell?? On what planet is that shaved muppet looking troll sexy? He’s about as sexy as broken sewer pipe.

Now, I’m going to have to call some connections to get tickets to Rock The Bells when it hits DC. I feel like I owe it to hip hop.
Fucking Soulja Boy and Lil Wayne. Negroe, llllll lick what like a lollipop? Your rancid looking ass?

I should probably go to sleep. Editing this book has me extra agitated. I feel like ole girl from the event page. I’m going to go make a drink so I can pour it on something.

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

1. Soldier Boy = Another one of Flava Flav’s (see: California Raisin) illegitimate children

2. Lil Wayne = The reason the U.S. deliberately forgets about sending aid to Katrina victims in New Orleans

3. Music Videos = reminders of the apocalypse

Man, it has never felt so good to be a bourgeois black person.

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ Bassey…damn, I thought I was the only one who thought Akon was retarded.

T-Pain in the ass and Sean “Baby fat” Kingston should be shot, alongside of Akon. Seriously. People are so busy shooting innocent folks like Sean Bell, when they could be doing justice to America as well as saving the black population by killing crap rappers and Bob Johnson.

Yes, I am an advocate for shooting stupid mother fuckers. You have a problem, oh fucking well.

By the way, a big “what the hell” goes out to the person that linked a Rich Boy video saying that he was making a difference by putting out a message in a song. If I could understand what the fuck he was saying, then yea, he might. But for the fact he sounds like Mush Mouth’s long lost little brother, I say we all chip in $20 each to pay for him to get a speech therapist for his impediment.

30 06 2008
Meka

Knatural, I agree with you. Looking at Lil Wayne loosens my bowels too but the sad thing is that he has gotten so much better looking. AND he is better looking than Oil Slick (aka Flava Flav).

That said, I did like that little line: “She give good brain like she graduated from a good school…”

[walks away, hanging head in shame]

30 06 2008
shabooty

rupert murdoch’s tivo is subscribed to mtv jams…for when he has sumner redstone over for cigars, and they need something to laugh at.

🙂

30 06 2008
Nice

I’ve mentioned this before, I don’t hate Lil Wayne, however, I feel he is highly overrated. I just cannot get into him. I just don’t know what the hype is all about. It must have to do with the lack of good artist out. He stands out.

I used to look forward to watching the latest music videos when I was a kid. They just don’t do em like they used to. And that goes for music and the wack videos that accompany them. I really do miss the 90’s. Rap videos are by far the worse. They make it possible to fit ass in every song even when the song has absolutely nothin to do with ass. Now if the song is about booty, thats one thing, but damn.

30 06 2008
Nice

And Lil Wayne does look alot better than he used to- but he is still OOGLY.

30 06 2008
Nice

Kanye gets my vote. I notice people like to jump on these “I’m not feeling this rapper” bandwagon. I will always be a Kanye fan. He is a rare talent in this now wack music industry. He might run his mouth a little too much, but you cannot deny his talent. I’m not big on 50 Cent either, but I’ve noticed him getting a big backlash lately too. I know some of the people claiming he is wack and not feeling him brought at least 1 of his CD’s or got him on bootleg.

30 06 2008
klysha

LMAO! Wow…written right out of my head again…well except for a couple of things. I am old in music video world so I haven’t watched them consistently since most of today’s popular artists were in a play pen. And the few that I have seen have made me sad for todays youth. But I’m from the south so I hate the Lil Wayne of today…but used to actually like the Lil Wayne of yesteryear before he went all “hollywood” and tried to appeal to the masses, throwing his Southern style to the wayside. I hate that song Lollipop with every fiber of my existence. I also give Soulja Boy a lot of credit for what he did. He managed to turn a whole musical genre on its heels by posting a song and dance on You Tube. That’s powerful. Now a bunch of so called legitimate artist are mad at him because he managed to outsell and outshine them with a Casio key board and zero lyrical skill. My take on that is that means they need to step it up, not tear little Soulja Boy down. He’s a freaking kid for crying out loud. But the fact that he continues to try to make songs with said lack of lyrical skill is where I draw the line on my support for him. The dance was cute and catchy. But a catchy tune does not a legitimate artist make.

http://www.mysixcents.wordpress.com

30 06 2008
ViK

Figure 3: I’m going to get so much shit about this…

The only reason you should get shit about that is by putting Africa in the equation with Lil’ Wayne. Shouldn’t that be Uranus (*juvenlie giggling* ) or the some country backwoods swamp not far outside New Orleans where he sounds like he came from?

That aside about Beyonce was dead on. It’s amazing how manny pretty chicks stay around *cough* Cassie *cough* Ciara *cough* because they have pretty faces. Can’t these chicks just model?

30 06 2008
ninasimone

“T-Pain in the ass and Sean “Baby fat” Kingston should be shot, alongside of Akon. Seriously. People are so busy shooting innocent folks like Sean Bell, when they could be doing justice to America as well as saving the black population by killing crap rappers and Bob Johnson.”

You didn not just suggest the killing of black men and reference Sean Bell? You did not make a joke out of killing black people
You did not.

Lil Wayne…well Im from the DEEEEEP South and I do like the beats of some of the music from home …as for Lil Wayne I own none of his music and cant usually tell you what song is out…I am a bit confused by his popularity though…especially after hearing some of the lyrics to one of his songs recently…I do like the sound of his voice though…sue me:-)

I wouldnt call him ugly…his lower jaw is just too small…micrognathia…which kinda throws off the rest of his face… a lower jaw implant would probably help with giving him more of a chin

my biggest complaint would be that he has actually compared himself to Malcolm X…and had the audacity to say that he is even more of a legend bc he is still living

purple drank or syrup or whatever the kids call it clearly kills brain cells

30 06 2008
TomatoHead

I hate rap. Period. I also hate country/western music.

How someone talking quickly over a beat is considered music has always been a mystery to me. Beside that, Lil Wayne looks like Flavor Flav’s cousin who went to jail and beefed up. He is a human pitstain. The first song I heard by him had this chorus: pussy, money, weed, and was extolling the virtues of each item. Yuck.

And Nick, you are stupid, ignorant and mainstream, but so are a lot of people. 🙂 I say this purely because you like Kanye West as I have no idea about your tastes or level of intelligence outside of that.

Despite how much of a fabulous performer Kanye West is, I really cannot forgive his public jackassery. If you’re gonna be an asshole, at least try to hide it and smile like a doped-up moron for the masses. Don’t act like being a dick is having a personality.

30 06 2008
ViK

Awwww, ninasimone, don’t get me STARTED on Akon! I can’t believe that Negro made up a whole story about some crime/prison record. So THESE are the type of resume fabrications our generation aspires to? Sad, sad, sad.

30 06 2008
a.eye

“yelling at you in what sounds like a hoarse and unintelligible combination of Zulu, Farsi, Algonquin, and Cantonese mixed in with some good old fashioned tard-groaning.”

Hilarious.

I just wrote today, before reading your post, about Michael Jackson’s videos and the creativity they had (though he was also kind of fronting since he was and never will be a gangsta) but at least he was entertaining and told some sort of understandable story in his videos.

http://1219sibmtt.blogspot.com/2008/06/i-want-to-be-smooth-criminal.html

30 06 2008
Bassey

Oh and about your Beyonce aside, I’ll see your “Beyonce can’t sing” and I will raise you a “She can’t dance either” and she’s not cute enough to be that bad at singing and dancing and still be popular. I think Kelly was the best looking member of that group but they beat the self esteem out of that girl and she can’t even promote her own album without making sure everyone goes out and buys TWO of Beyonce’s. AND just to go on the thread, I think Solange is better looking and more talented than Beyonce. Yeah… I said it. And what? I think Beyonce is popular because she is so homogenized. I won’t go into the lightening of her entire body… Chris did it better in the archives.

And I like Kanye’s music. The man is a little bit much. I think he was someone who never felt quite good enough so he’s always making noise. I respect him and it’s because I think he knows better (based on who his parents are/were and how he was raised) I expect more from him than what he’s been displaying. I think he was both hugged too much as a kid and doesn’t get enough hugs as an adult. I’m tired… I know what I mean.

And Soulja Boy being young is no excuse. I appreciate the “internet sensation” that he is. But he needs to play his position. Like my boy Bomani says, “read a muthafuckin’ book”.

30 06 2008
klysha

@ Chaotic Diva’s comment on Rich Boy…I have to rush in to his defense…yet again…since Rich Boy is from my hometown (even went to my high school…. many years after I graduated though). Yes he sounds like Mush Mouth…and no not everyone from Alabama sounds like Mush Mouth or has a head like a sledge hammer….but somehow I can understand every word he says. Maybe it’s because I grew up around people with similar accents. The way he talks gives me a nice warm homey feeling. Makes me think of fried catfish and collard greens on a Sunday afternoon. And once you translate his Alabama speak his lyrics are actually kind of clever. Dangit I’m just glad that a male potential victim of the streets from Mobile Alabama managed to get out and do something with himself other than sit on the block.

30 06 2008
ninasimone

“Awwww, ninasimone, don’t get me STARTED on Akon! I can’t believe that Negro made up a whole story about some crime/prison record. So THESE are the type of resume fabrications our generation aspires to? Sad, sad, sad.”

wow..hadnt heard that…but to think about it, its kind of insulting…was he trying to represent himself as a thieving/thugging/real gangster to show how “af-am” he is…since these lovely videos help to spread that message the diaspora over of who we are over here?

and yea africa nor “country backwards backwoods swamps” ( misquoting) are to blame for the insanity that lil wayne presents to the world…thank the makers of Robitussin and the weed man

30 06 2008
Nice

Aw Tomatohead, Dont say that. Hip hop is my favorite music. It takes alot of talent and wordplay to do what a rapper does. Im not talkin about Soljah Boy or a garbage ass rapper like that. But putting wording together, making them rhyme, being on beat and actually having it make sense takes talent.

30 06 2008
Sylph

I was in DC this weekend for Carnival and all of us in the car were complaining about the current state of music. It hurts the head to know that the music of today is going to be considered “classic” in another 10 years, horrible lyrics and all. As much as I can’t stand Lil Wayne (sex symbol? wtf?), I won’t lie and say that I wasn’t dancing to “A Milli”. Can’t and I won’t.

I remember the days of The Box and Video Music Box up here in NYC when you couldn’t wait to see the new video that would come on and match up with what you thought the video should look like. Apparently, creativity decided to kill itself in the garage while the rims keep spinning.

I’m still grateful for VH1 Soul. A few times I was mesmerized with some of the vids because (1) it had somewhat of a plot and (2) people had clothes on. Amazing.

30 06 2008
Nice

Lil Wayne also admitted that he does coke. He said he is like a music genius and most music geniuses did or do drugs. He feels it adds to his creativity.

30 06 2008
ninasimone

^^^^^not that those products are forced upon anyone…i think that combo of drugs is too blame is what I mean..his using them and then waking up under the impression that he is anywhere near a malcolm x or kwame toure

30 06 2008
Nice

Rich Boy is not that bad. He actually does have a message in some of his songs.

30 06 2008
TomatoHead

Nice I guess my thing is that I didn’t grow up with it. Rap wasn’t allowed in the house (except for that one CD by Coolio that had his like, one hit song on it from Dangerous Minds that my mom loved for whatever reason). But we weren’t allowed to listen to it growing up because of the violence and sex that was explicitly “sung” about.

And I dunno about making rap sound good taking talent. I have male friends who mess around on their computer making beats and they randomly freestyle hilarious nonsense that rhymes, is on beat and makes sense. Even I messed around and did a freestyle rap once and it wasn’t half bad. Certainly not worse than some of the shit that passes for rap music thats on the radio.

30 06 2008
Nick

And Nick, you are stupid, ignorant and mainstream, but so are a lot of people. I say this purely because you like Kanye West as I have no idea about your tastes or level of intelligence outside of that.

Well, my level of intelligence is a mystery to me too.

I like his music. I even liked “Stronger” even if he totally sampled Daft Punk and set the music to a remake of Akira.

30 06 2008
Sylph

He said what Nice?

Sigh.

I really hope that the kids aren’t reading/hearing his bullshit and thinking that they too must do that to be a real artist. Fucking hell.

Beyonce never could dance. How she gets put on lists for being a great dancer is beyond me because girl cannot dance. She can shimmy but she’d prolly die if she was forced to freestyle. Kelly was the prettiest until she decided to get that nosejob to look like a Barbie.

When did normal looking women and not models become played out in music videos? I want to blame someone but I don’t know who.

30 06 2008
a.eye

@TomatoHead
“I have male friends who mess around on their computer making beats and they randomly freestyle hilarious nonsense that rhymes, is on beat and makes sense. Even I messed around and did a freestyle rap once and it wasn’t half bad. Certainly not worse than some of the shit that passes for rap music thats on the radio.”

So true. I had students in my class using their Apple computers and Garage band to make decent beats. And their lyrics, though just as shitty as the new artists, were actually as catchy as the big name artists — and just as much about not much of anything.

It just doesn’t seem that hard anymore.

30 06 2008
Nice

I feel you Tomatohead, but there are so many options when it comes to rap- not all of it is nonsense. I can admit some of it is. I grew up on hip hop. I grew up in jazz and R&B as well. Some R&B music is a hot mess too. It can be just as formula- driven as some rap music if not more.

30 06 2008
georica

@chaotic diva- “T-Pain in the ass and Sean “Baby fat” Kingston should be shot, alongside of Akon. Seriously. People are so busy shooting innocent folks like Sean Bell, when they could be doing justice to America as well as saving the black population by killing crap rappers and Bob Johnson.”

killing your own folks?
you advocate killing black people cause they “shame” you (which is utterly ridiculous)?

i hope you were being facetious but even if you were, it is still unnerving for me to find the levity in such a “joke”.

30 06 2008
TomatoHead

Georica, seriously, don’t read this blog if you are so easily offended.

30 06 2008
a.eye

@ Nice
I think it is just (most of) the mainstream of all music that is crap. A lot of the “underground” music or music not played out on the radio or music that does not have bull shit videos can be decent. It’s just that they don’t get heard as much.

30 06 2008
Nice

@ a.eye, absolutey agree. I get my new good music by word of mouth cause you wont hear it on the radio. But usually, I just listen all my old music- it still sounds good to me.

30 06 2008
Educated NSU Demon

THANK YOU!!! Lil’ Wayne’s success continues to boggle my mind. I mean, I know people’s standards for music get lower and lower every day (otherwise, Soulja Boy would be living in a cardboard box in any given alley by now), but the level of Wayne’s success is just inexcusable! News Flash: Just because someone finds weird ways to rap (i.e. Getting all nasally for no apparent reason), that doesn’t make them deep and cutting edge…it just makes him a jackass. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, that Lil’ Wayne has to say is teaching the African American community anything it needs to know. Face it: The only ones benefiting from Lil’ Wayne’s music are Lil’ Wayne and his bank account….if he’s even intelligent enough to save all of his money in the bank.

And for the record, am I the only one who hates the fact that he’s in college? And am I wrong for thinking that anyone who aspires to be like a thug should steer clear of college. ALSO, am I crazy for thinking that college isn’t for everyone, and these people are only hampering the progress of people who actually have a place in college by attending for their semester or two of partying? Thanks for nothing Lil’ Wayne.

Also, I think Beyonce is a good singer, it’s just that she doesn’t have any real emotion, probably because she usually only sings about 2 or so different topics (relationships and her looks). And by the way, screaming =/= emotion.

Overall, the state of black music is depressing. There’s plenty of quality stuff out there, but thanks to Viacom, we’ll never know without looking for it. Oh well…*listens to Miseducation of Lauryn Hill and wishes she’d grace us with her musical existence again*

30 06 2008
a.eye

@ NIce, the old music is seriously still good. And most of it is timeless. Someone mentioned how this music today will be “classic” at some point. But it will be so easy to date it, unlike a lot of the older hip hop stuff people threw out.

30 06 2008
a.eye

Where DID Lauryn Hill go?!

30 06 2008
Educated NSU Demon

And I agree with Bassey…Kelly is a much better pure singer than Beyonce. And she actually seems connected to the music she’s singing enough to give legitimate emotion. And Simply Deep was a pretty good album. It’s a shame that she never got the solo success that she deserves. Just a memo to Matthew Hussein…I mean Knowles; there’s enough room for both Beyonce AND Kelly to be successful, jackass.

30 06 2008
Nice

Beyonce can sing, but her music is kinda high school. Her dancing is straight wild and all over the place. I think she is pretty, but too over-the-top. She has that Diana Ross/Tina Turner thing goin for her. She actually looks better when she has on less make up. She is talented tho. I not gonna go into Beyonce bashing so I will leave it at that.

30 06 2008
Nice

Lauryn Hill is somewhere wearing clown make-up and costumes. I sill love he tho, I miss the good music. Now she is a pure talent. I think Kelly is ok, but I sense a little fakeness from her too.

30 06 2008
Educated NSU Demon

That fakeness you sense is her trying to stay on Beyonce’s good side.

30 06 2008
TomatoHead

A little fakeness???

30 06 2008
Nice

That is likely tru Educated. Now I dont think Solange looks better than Beyonce, but lets face it, they are all beautiful women. But no matter how hard they try, or dont try, they will always have to take a back seat to Beyonce.

30 06 2008
TomatoHead

Beyonce isn’t that bad when she’s singing classical opera-style music. Other than that she sounds manufactured. Like someone created her voice in a mixing room somewhere; it’s inauthentic but I can’t put my finger on what it is exactly.

And Miss Beyonce WISHES she was Tina Turner. She’s closer to Diana Ross/Deena. She can’t really sing, is pretty but not oppressively so and is easily marketable. I think she’s trying to make herself a legend like Diana Ross but it isn’t gonna happen. Even Diana Ross is a caricature of Diana Ross. The only way you can be a “diva” now is if you have a truly powerful voice and Beyonce doesn’t have that.

30 06 2008
Nice

@ Tomato- hum fake boobs. I know Kelly had her nose done too- thats the norm now. Even MC Lyte and Peppa (salt n peppa) had their noses done. I dont get it. Perfectly fine women feeling the need to improve on the beauty God already gave them.

30 06 2008
a.eye

@Nice “Perfectly fine women feeling the need to improve on the beauty God already gave them”

But it’s not improving themselves. It’s making themselves fit in to what they feel the mainstream wants to see — white looking/ethnicity neutral images

30 06 2008
Muse

Every time a Lil Wayne Video is played, an attractive woman decides to stop giving head. That’s how tragic his music is.

30 06 2008
Nice

I know it is not really improving, just take a look at Lil Kim. It really is just to fit into a standard of white beauty. I thought we were so pass this as Black people. The truth is “they” really want to look like “us”. I dont get it.

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ Klysha…my family is from Birmingham. I have no problem understanding them…but him….he sounds like he’s slurring his words.

@ Tomato..thanks…too many people take web posts serious.

…as for those of you who are taking my post too serious, here’s a little knowledge for you:

Not only am I black, but I am cuban, AND native american…trust, I’d rather see white people shot over a fellow brown person. However, I wasn’t comparing the crappy people to Sean Bell, I made a sarcasm-based statement that simply means that society would be better without those people who are pouring mindless dribble into our youth causing them to be sub-par humans. Sean Bell did not do that and was killed by law enforcement officials for simply being black. Pretty much my statement is stating that killing someone who does a disservice to our people is not as bad as killing a black man who was actually stepping up to the plate (i.e. going to take care of his child and marryiing his girlfriend instead of being a deadbeat).

For those of you standing up for Lil Wayne, I’m sure he’s got a forum board so you can write love notes to and about him and post them. The man is garbage. Even if he does get his bachelors, that is not going to change the fact that his cocaine raps about his time spent snorting bricks with Lindsey Lohan is still not making any positive impact on the black community.

I’m so sick of seeing black people complain about how we are being held down by “the man”, yet we refuse to speak out against those idiotic people in our own race that do stupid shit that are really holding us down because we allow them to get away with it. And then you have the audacity to get mad at me because I say that our society would be better without them? This is not the 1920’s. We don’t need to tap dance in shoddy shacks in hope that some nice white person will give us a pass to perform at the white night club for table scraps. There are blacks that excel in music forms that are not crap rap. Look at Lenny Kravitz, Santogold, Jamelia (black UK pop singer), and even producers behind the scenes doing big things without selling out to crap music. We can do better…much better.

Lets be real here: if my family, which consists of 99% of the black population of West Virginia can somehow manage to own an entire city (no, literally), and have owned that land for more than 200 years, as mulattos and Native Americans, why the hell can we not realize that we can be doctors, and lawyers, and college professors and make constant salaries and still live the lavish lifestyle?

Black parents are NOT stepping up. And because they’re not stepping up, I pledge to say outlandish things that sound so backwards and racist until these ignorant mofos figure out that what they’re doing and supporting is truly ruining our chances of progressing any further than the Jim Crow mentality that we can never be as good as whites or Asians at anything.

(sorry about the long post, but I was on my soapbox)

30 06 2008
TomatoHead

Black people own land in West Virginia? 😉

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

Yes Ma’am. Its far off country land with one McDonalds, but yes ma’am.

30 06 2008
ninasimone

the realities of our situation..the mentalities…the complexities.. frustration with that does not make it okay to make a joke of killing black people. In what way does that help? Drastic, hateful statements do not equal power or revolution or inspiration to change..so

Denied! That card is not accepted here.

* my heaven includes a place where negroes do not feel the need to post their combinations and percentages ( not done yet) detailing their unique heritages….especially when it has NOTHING to do with the conversation…my heaven includes a place where people realize the difference between nationality and ethnicity…and race of which there is only human….sigh*

30 06 2008
ninasimone

but it is cool to know something about black people in W. Va.

30 06 2008
ninasimone

“Not only am I black, but I am cuban, AND native american…trust, I’d rather see white people shot over a fellow brown person.”

not trying to pick on you ChaoticDIva or at you but how old are you?

30 06 2008
TomatoHead

It wasn’t a “drastic, hateful” statement it was a hyperbolic joke alluding to the fact that people like Sean Bell who were just trying to do right get killed while people who do everything wrong for the black community keep on living and are praised for their niggerishness.

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ nina, 22

@ Tomato: thank you!

And for the record, I posted my ethnic breakdown to show that there is absolutely no racism coming from this mouth in regards to blacks. If you need to see a photo that proves I am a brown girl and not some extreme white person, that can be arranged.

(reason being, if anybody was reading the black women thread, they would see the comments made by a black woman who we initially thought was some crazed white girl)

30 06 2008
ninasimone

CD, i didnt think your comments were racist ( though i did get that why you added your breakdown) I just thought they were callous, insensitive and just to be honest kind of a mockery to the people who get gunned down in our lovely country.

i get the frustration. i share it

i have a rather different definition of what is racist. your post didnt fit my definition

“It wasn’t a “drastic, hateful” statement it was a hyperbolic joke alluding to the fact that people like Sean Bell who were just trying to do right get killed while people who do everything wrong for the black community keep on living and are praised for their niggerishness.”

Yes it was a drastic and hateful statement—to wish that somebody’s sons be murdered??!!???! Murdering black people is not fodder for jokes no matter the level of their buffonnery(sp)…it just isnt. Your argument is flawed. Murdering them ( seriously??!!!!) wouldnt change a damn thing as they will simply be replaced. It also cheapens the death of men gunned down to jokingly wish the same fate on somebody else. Gold star for you and your use of hyperbolic though

How about some reform and education?

I cant believe Im actually discussing why its not okay to joke about random killing of black people. I sooo love my people…to bunches.

30 06 2008
ninasimone

mockery of….before some keyboard gangster comes ready to correct me….eff the typing erros..its early morning and i should be sleeping

30 06 2008
TomatoHead

You still don’t get the point though. No one is saying that we should be killing anyone. It’s like when someone does something stupid to you (pulls your hair or something, I dunno), and you use the expression, “I could kill you!” You don’t literally mean that by any stretch of the imagination it’s just saying something stupid to get attention.

No one wishes someone’s “sons” will be murdered and no one literally means that they should be killed. I don’t know why you can’t understand the logic of that.

And I’m not sure if you were being facetious with your “gold star” comment, but I just write and talk that way. I’m not a layman. Sorry.

30 06 2008
TomatoHead

Or layperson, if that is less offensive.

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ nina… it would be on a different scale if I were talking to white people about the same thing. No, murder is not right, however, talking to fellow black people, that’s what it takes to get their attention.

Yes, we all want to go about things the diplomatic way, but we’ve been doing it for so long. And to be frank with you, no disrespect to their mothers, but if as mothers they truly cared about their children, they would teach them alot better than they are. No I cannot blame those people solely for their insolence, however, I will say for people that have the opportunity to do much better with their lives, they should.

So the question is: where are Soldier Boy’s parents? Where were Lil Wayne’s parents? Where were all these rappers mothers and fathers to teach them what’s intelligent and what isn’t. Yes, I can be understanding of those who grew up without parents, or in tough situations without good guidance. However, at what point in their life do they feel the need to step up to the plate and stop the stereotypical behavior.

Since Lil Wayne is a hot topic, lets use him as an example. The man is in college, because he wants to further his education and set a good example for the young ones, right? Yet, he still continues to make music about cocaine, hoes, wild partying and pre-marital sex. Kind of oxymoronish? The man is damn near thirty…he should be grown enough to know that he’s not being positive. He should know better by now. If he’s someone’s son, that parent, or guardian, did not teach him what is respectable and what it means to truly step up to the plate and not fall under the influence of drugs, money, fame and the whole crack rock and roll lifestyle.

Yes, again, I know that the whole murder thing is an extreme point, however, sometimes it takes something extreme being said for people to wake up. And please remember, that I’m gearing this towards users who are predominately educated minorities.

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

Also @ nina…when I mentioned the racist factor, it was in reference to another comment.

30 06 2008
puff

@ chaotic – not saying you’re racist, cos i don’t think you are, but you did say on the persians post that you “like persians more than black”… i dunno, but personally i like to stay clear of racial comparisons.

more generally, i hate “hip hop” music videos. they’re all unimaginative, and there’s a limit as to how much diamond encrusted booty i can have shaking in my face. just as well my miserly ass refuses to buy a tv for my dorm, i think i’ll forgo cable too, no matter how badly i want hbo so i can watch more big love… am i the only one who thinks that show is the shit?

30 06 2008
puff

* blacks

30 06 2008
Esko

for your viewing pleasure


that second one is the best music vid you’ll see weezy in

I don’t get the obsession with so much of whats really nothing. I showed a few of my younger friends things Timbaland made back in the 90’s when he was with Missy and Genuine, and introduced then to ATCQ. It blew their minds… then they went back to lil whatshisname.

30 06 2008
zoso

I have a lot of respect for Lauryn Hill. She was in the biz for a good while. Made a damn good record, then decided said adios. I think she’s devoted her life to raising her kids (somewhere around 5) and her family.

30 06 2008
HeavenLeiBlu

I wasn’t aware that that prarie dog lookin ass Ne-Yo had any innate dancing ability, nor that Teddy Riley was a good lyricist. He jammed though.

*cranks that first Guy album*

30 06 2008
stuffgirlshlike

Yes, you spolke the truth music videos are cliched at the best of times, but hip hop is not even ashamed to put out the same content continually.

I understand that little Wayne is calling himself athe best hip hopper of all time, first of all that is self compliment. It is a sighn of insecurity.

Secondly it does not take much skill to claim you are the best.

Thirdly it sounds like you have been up all night eating the white stuff, Yes cocaine is apt to make you egotistical.

http://stuffgirlslike.wordpress.com

30 06 2008
indigo.royalblue

@nick

what’s wrong w/ sampling, especially if its creative. i give him props for using music thats not normally thought of for usage in hip hop samples. and hell, i like daft punk as a group even w/out kanye’s influence. and as for the video, i see it as tribute to akira moreso than a remake, as similar as it was to the movie… however, all this doesnt forgive the fact that kanye is a grade-a asshat -i just like his music as well.

30 06 2008
Esquire

Applause! I love this blog.

Now I will confess, that I listened to Lil Wayne’s cd. I like to experience things before I rag them, with the exception of slavery, rape, etc. Plus I HAD to, since Babyface and Robin Thicke were on this cd. I REALLY liked every single beat on every single song. I even LIKED some of Lil Wayne’s rapping (Im ashamed)

But I know it was wrong, and many of his lyrics were “clever” but didnt make that much sense. (sigh) What bothers me about the rap/r&b videos isnt even the degrading of women (other genres do this as well) Its the constant talk of materialistic bullshit and drugs. Is that all we know and talk about. Im embarassed that people around the world think we all act like.

I HATE BOB JOHNSON (you knew it was coming.)

30 06 2008
JaBe

Chris,
Aside from being absolutely hilarious, fig. 3 says it all!!! love it!

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ Puff…I would like you to meet some of the Persians from the Detroit area then meet some Blacks from the Detroit area…not saying it about all the blacks, but I can tell you there are so many ignorant pricks in my area that I can’t help but to like other ethnicity groups (mainly because I’ve never been black enough to their standards because my grammar is too “white”). A hell of alot of them also dress like A Pimp Named Slickback.

I am disappointed in the fact that there are so many stereotypical blacks that I’ve encountered who happen to have a problem with me because I was raised not to be a stereotype. Every Persian that I’ve met, along with Latino and West Indian, has not passed judgment on me for not being a stereotype.

I don’t mean to bring my personal testimony in this to make things biased, but saying that I like one group more than another doesn’t automatically make me racist.

*Did I mention I have black friends? (lol…that was a joke).

30 06 2008
vitazza

I hate music videos that crap is awful!! I don’t “get” lil Wayne either and I thought everyone knew he and Baby were in a relationship of some kind.. I did hear the Wayne was into syrup eww,eww.(rumurs prolly but ya know the smoke/fire theme) Now I lubs me some Jay….
I like Kanye as well if he’s an asshole then tooooo ehffin bad a brotha got to stand up for himself sometimes!!!
Now as for Bab-bouncey it is true she is not a great singer( better than whispering Janet) but, I won’t say she’s not talented or pretty just sounds damn petty. Seems the chick has her hustle game on, and what? Nothing wrong in peddlin your talent or lack of talent to the masses. Salonge is very talented and I am going to check out her cd in Aug
good day all must work tday

30 06 2008
JG*

Can’t read all the comments. Have to actually work, but I wanted to say that the Beyonce aside was fabulous!!! And I think I saw someone mention that she can’t dance either… OH MY GOODNESS! If I see her roll her “4 biscuit away from being fat” body one more time I’m going to die. Did anyone see the video for beautiful liar with her and Shakira? (Who told Beyonce to make a spanish album?) They tried really hard to make the two look alike, and I died a little inside.

30 06 2008
Landon

SIDE BAR and yes Videos suck…

Rich Boy is well educated even though he did not graduate.

He was an electrical engineer major at Tuskegee. I don’t care if he had a 2.5gpa, if you are an electrical engineer and you made it to your junior year you have some brains. (maybe not common sense but he could put together some complex mathematical equations that i couldn’t even understand).

ON my people blog we were trying to put a list together of Rappers who went to college. The list is longer than most people would think…. to name a few:

The Game “UNLV”
Killer MIke “Morehouse”
David Banner “Southern U” i am not sure where he got his masters
2 members of Goodie MOb went to Morris Brown
ICE CUBE Community college
Puffy (howard)
lauryn hill Columbia

a list i saw online of rappers who went to college
plies
lil jon
chamillionaire
paul wall
kanye west
rick ross
common
talib kweli

any one know anyone else?

30 06 2008
Omar

I think I was subconsciously waiting for this post. The state of hip-hop sucks there is nothing original in the mainstream. Corporate America is determined to turn “ALL” culture in to an endless commercial.

Why does Lil Wayne always sound like he is taking a shit? Why is a grown man running around with a misspelled ‘little’ in front of your name?

@Bassey – Thank you, Beyonce can’t dance either if she weren’t attractive sh would look like a damn fool having a seizure.

@TomatoHead – Hip-hop was considered music, at least artistic, because of poetic content and melodic flow, similar to reggae. Those days are just about gone.

30 06 2008
Omar

Rap videos = soft porn

30 06 2008
Saun

The only time I watch videos is on VH1 in the mornings or VH1Soul when I’m visiting friends/family that have it. I used to be a video junkie back in the day. I’d even tape them. Now you can’t pay me to watch that mess. If it weren’t for Lupe and a few others I think I’d give up on rap/hip-hop all together.

It’s so formulaic but the problem is that once this current generation gets tired of it there will be another crop of kiddies that will take to it cause it’s one step above Sesame Street raps. The young ones never had the benefit of hearing good rap and the music industry is bombarding them with this shyt before they ever get a chance. That’s why they think this shyt is good. Don’t get me wrong, I listened to some garbage in my day too but the fact is that I had a choice/variety. There is no variety now.

30 06 2008
WargodPR1

@ Chaotic Diva I feel you, you and I are in a similar boat…dont back down from your opinions…

After reading all your opinions It is actually very funny to see that there is a common thinking here…Today’s music sucks ass! I cant stand todays music, for the most part I listen to the beats (though 305 Anthem by Pitbull gets me movin…LOL)

I cant listen to Lil’ Wayne…I feel retarded when I do, because I’m striving to understand WTF he’s saying. If I have to do that, I give up, why waste my time on nonsense when I can be listening to Chaka Khan…LOL (I think I just showed my age…)

To me people think a rapper is good because he’s popular. I dont attest to that mode of thinking because I have heard people like KRS-1, Public Enemy, and real rap artist, who give us stories rather than a bunch of self-proclaiming statements that rhyme…

As far as Beyonce goes, I’m glad I’m not alone in my opinion of her skills, everytime I hear her voice cackling I have to change the station or have my brains start turning to mush and leaking out my ears…

Thanks everyone, now I have Irreplaceable in my mind….OH Shit! My brains! NO..NO..NO…duh Beyonce is great!

30 06 2008
ninabrown

i wish lil. wayne would do something meaningful with his money….like buy a chin!

30 06 2008
Jeresmom

I hate Lil Wayne. He is ignorant and his music is offensive. I heard one song where he ranted about killing someone’s grandmother and kids cause he didn’t ‘give a fuck’ That to me is not music, it’s not rhyming, it’s barbaric. now you wanna talk about lyrical genius, look at Roc Boys by Jay-Z. He managed to get played by Steve Harvey because of the double entendre of the song. I think that was what made the songs in the 70’s and 80’s classics. Yeah they talked about the same things that some of these new ‘singers’ are saying but they did it with class and used double meaning so that you didn’t feel ashamed about singing it in public. I can’t walk down the street singing feeling on your booty. But I have no proble singing pull up to my bumper. The Grace Jones version not the one by Patra. Sorry I went off topic about rap cause honestly there is no saving it. I gave up on rap years ago and music videos shortly thereafter.

30 06 2008
Saun

@Landon

Does that list mean they graduated?

30 06 2008
Landon

I feel like we are starting to sound like our PARENTs (GASP)…

I mean lets think back on a couple of Videos we saw as kids.

ADina Howard – Freak like me

Rump Shaker
any MC Hammer Video

Red Light Special TLC
Tupac – I get around
LL COOl J – doin it

the list goes on…
a bunch of rappers fully clothed even if its 95 degrees (might even wear a fur coat), while women wear nothing. Its been the formula for years. There as only been a few music videos which were truly artistic and creative…

The first was THRILLER BY FAR… but after that what videos come to mind (i am curious) as artisticly genius? MISSY ELLIOT AND the inflatable garbage bags… maybe tip drill as an instruction video for how your daughter can become a stripper?

Jesus walks comes to mind as one that was really well done.

30 06 2008
Landon

@saun:

no only attended

30 06 2008
Landon

Sauce MOney went to some HBCUU in NC

30 06 2008
Angry IV

I think the problem is that hip-hop and rap have now become two different things. Before, in the 80s and 90s, hip-hop was the genre and “rapping” was the verb to describe what the artists did on the record. Now, of course it would be silly to call the great artists of today, such as Common, “hip-hoppers” to differentiate between the now two separate genres, so instead we refer to them as hip-hop artists.

Hip-Hop/Rap has been in a steady decline since the Great Hip-Hop Diaspora in/around ’03/’04. This is when artists such as Nas, Jay-Z, and even deceased talents such as 2Pac and The Notorious B.I.G. began to fall by the wayside for artists like Lil’ Wayne. Apparently, freestyling an entire album off of someone else’s ghost-written lyrics without linking together any song to tell a story of any sort is what became hot in the streets. 2003/2004 is also when Crunk music was split into a new phase, basically known as “Snap Dancing.” D4L’s Laffy Taffy became the start of what would ultimately become what is now known as the Rise of Ignorap (a clever combination of the words “Ignorant” and “Rap”) amongst hip-hop scholarly circles.

As the years continued, more and more ignorant music began to rise out of Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana, capped off with the Crank Dat Epidemic, in which YouTube became the face for thousands and possibly millions of black youths creating ignorant-ass dances coupled with basic, anti-creative, albeit relatively catchy beats. In this time, old moguls such as Nas declared that hip-hop was dead, and was he ever correct.

Two other low points were marked during this timeframe – the infamous kiss between Lil’ Wayne in Baby, which was about as homosexual as two regular men kissing. This event, however, was largely overlooked by the millions of Lil’ Wayne/Birdman fanatics, in which they believed that it was simply because of love between a father and quasi-adopted son. I’m not sure about you, but me and my father happen to be EXTREMELY close, and the last time I kissed my dad on the mouth I was probably inable to walk, talk, or take a shit in a toilet (e.g. I was AN INFANT). This event led me to believe that just about everyone that still remains a Lil’ Wayne fan is inherently gay. Is it a logical opinion? No. Do I intend to change my assumption? Absolutely not.

Another low point was evidenced in Lil’ Wayne’s interview last fall preceding the release of his latest album, which comes off as eerily similar to T-Pain’s musical style. In this interview, he claimed that he would kill not only you, but your parents, children (even toddlers), and your family all in the name of “beef.” This is interesting coming from a man who was caught in New York on gun possession charges….without any ammunition.

Ultimately, the new low is Ice T criticizing (and rightfully so) shitty artists such as Souljah Boy. Souljah Boy then responded in a manner in the late 80s and early 90s that would almost surely result in his death if he came anywhere near the city of Los Angeles. His willingness to disrespect one of the actual last O.G.s remaining in the United States shows a lack of respect for not only adults in general, but a lack of respect for those who worked hard in the studio to bring their life stories into a musical form to entertain their fanbase. Souljah Boy has now earned my “Biggest Doucherocket of the Year” award for this, and it’s not even July yet. Ice T is one of the greatest hip-hop artists of all time. Souljah Boy, fortunately, is not.

-Angry IV

30 06 2008
Jeresmom

PS I LOVE Kanye West and will not apologize for it, LMAO

30 06 2008
JG*

I believe Plies went to USF and Common went to FAMU.. LOL Sorry I only know the Florida ones.

Interestingly enough, I love Common. He’s great. But when he went to FAM I was told he used to perform and get boo’d. Sadness because now it would cost them a grip to get him to come back and perform. But it doesn’t matter… They would prefer Plies and Lil Wayne to do the homecoming concert….

30 06 2008
Knatural

AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA @ “i wish lil. wayne would do something meaningful with his money….like buy a chin!”

Long Comments, too many long comments.

30 06 2008
Prime Minister Cinema

all Soulja Boy can say is: She gotta a THOMP, She gotta a THOMP and Booty Meat. WTF! …but hey, evidently somebody is buying it. what does that say for his fans and that demographic? (it’s not just SB, unfortunately)

Muse: “Every time a Lil Wayne Video is played, an attractive woman decides to stop giving head. That’s how tragic his music is.’

Muse now this is a crying assed shame, a veritable travesty.

Personally I believe Bob Johnson was at a place when he sold BET that he could not take it any further without further pandering to the bullshit that rap, hip-hop and “black television” is becoming. (and he would have, to have done so to compete) He was also ready for something new. (anything other than that bullshit) back to the lab. enter Our Stories.

In late 2006, Johnson founded Our Stories Films, a Los Angeles-based film company. His partner is Harvey Weinstein, whose own new enterprise, the Weinstein Company, will serve as his distributor. JPMorgan Chase invested $175 million into Our Stories. His private equity fund is financed partly by the Washington-based Carlyle Group, while his hedge fund has backing from Deutsche Bank.[3]

the re-birth of cool. (i hope)

Shabooty, Shaboy: PMC. Rupert Murdochand and Sumner Redstone are both decrepid, children of the corn preacher looking mu fuckaz who should quit the illuminati and snort geritol until the end of their sorry ass existences. …and they should both be praying to Aaron Spellings decomposed arse that rock of love and kia sephia (whatever her name is) is ripped off the air a.s.a.p if they want to laugh tellem to watch the bachelor or other shows like it where tricks are selling pussy to the highest bidder. (ohh suprise, i’m broke, whores.) MUUUUHHHAAAAAAHAAAAHAAA!

30 06 2008
Angry IV

Bob Johnson got out while he still could with his dignity. I’m not mad at him at all. We went from classic movies (I’m Gonna Get You Sucka) being played on his network, to ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT LIKE COLLEGE HILL ATLANTA.

Every time I see that show, my IQ halves.

30 06 2008
Jen

The HATE I have witnesses in this commentary is ASTOUNDING. You Cosbyesque co-signing motherf*ckers!!!!!

I love me some Beyonce and I always will and my biggest regret in life–even more of a regret than dating my ex-boyfriend–is that I did not see the Beyonce Experience. I just thank God for the scenes illegally uploaded on the Youtube.

AND I love Kanye West. CAN HE TALK HIS SHIT, AGAIN???

Pop GODS, the both of them, and I am a huge stan.

Also, I used to sit open-mouthed staring at Soulja Boy’s videos in amazement, but now I understand that his music is in the tradition of Bounce, Crunk and Snap. Not meant to be deep or have a storyline or anything of value other than a danceable beat and lyrics that won’t kill your buzz by challenging your mind. And the fact that a little Black kid from the ghetto hopped on that train and got himself out the hood honestly makes me kind of proud. Of him, individually. Not his music or the fact that, in the process, he introduced supermanning hos to millions of children across America.

Lil Wayne’s wordplay can make me smile sometimes. My family is from the Boot, so I understand everything he says. But that’s about all I can say on the man…I do not understand the hype.

30 06 2008
Landon

JEN loves to shake the Hornets Nest… SOmalliquuen II i see.

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Before reading anything I think it should be federal law that any website, billboard, magazine or tv show have a disclaimer before assaulting innocent passersby with a picture of little wayne (or baby, but mostly lil wayne). At least the picture was small…

Uggly makes you age …

And he can’t rap. He’s a good rhymer but he can’t rap for shit because he doesn’t say SHIT in his raps. All he does is rhyme 2 sentences together and string them along until a hook. He’s a damn good rhymer but so is a 12 year old. Yugk. But you know white america loves a fucking coon. And you think minstrel shows went out of style.

30 06 2008
Omar

@Landon – Soljah Boy making songs about masturbating on some girls back (in case you didn’t know what “superman” meant) doesn’t compare to “I get around”. That video was about a pool party and it looked like a pool party not the opening to a porn scene complete. Besides there was more balance with that type of music and the videos. There was generally a “Dear mama” song or “Self-destruction” to counter that. Not to mention much better lyrical content.

Sex and music is like rice and gravy but there are extremes and we are there.

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

oh and tomatohead, is there anyway I can get you to go to gravatar and make this your avatar: http://gallery.photo.net/photo/2499940-lg.jpg
then you wouldn’t even have to type you name, you could just be blank spaces and that avatar and we’d know you.

30 06 2008
Angry IV

And Common dropped out of FAMU – he’s not an alumnus. This eases my mind.

30 06 2008
Jeresmom

I didn’t know intelligent black people still watched the negro channel as I call it. BET has not been on my television screen in over 3 years and I will not change that anytime soon.

30 06 2008
Knatural

Cosby-esque? Wow!

30 06 2008
Omar

What is wrong with Bill Cosby? How can people support lil Wayne and solja boy and have bad shit to say about Bill Cosby that shit boggles my mind, people’s standards are ridiculously screwed up.

30 06 2008
JG*

Angry IV… I wasn’t sure if he finished. I went to FSU and just heard about him going to FAM. But I looove Common. 😛

Jeresmom…..That’s what I’m sayin. I started boycotting BET a long time ago. I think it has made my life much better. Although I caught a whiff of College Hill Atlanta at a friend’s house. I have since been back in therapy.

Jen….I understand what you’re saying, although I still don’t get down with the music they produce. Soulja Boy just makes me sick, but I get it. He’s 17 and doesn’t have to be deep. 😦

30 06 2008
Angry IV

I watched College Hill Atlanta one time and like I said, my IQ was halved. After watching it I forgot how to do long division.

That being said I’m back to normal now. I don’t watch BET and really I don’t even like watching MTV or VH1. ESPN is where it is, mes amis.

30 06 2008
Landon

I GET AROUND IS A POOL PARTY… HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

IF YOU BELIEVE THAT I HAVE A BRIDGE IN BROOKLYN TO SELL YOU!

Its about him (GASP) getting around, sleeping with numerous women…

COME ON DUDE THINK! One scene in the video he is with women in a bubble bath.
I was more so talkign about the images in teh video and the obvioius references to SEX!

30 06 2008
Bassey

Man, I wish folks would defend/Promote/support Obama with the same vigor and grant him the same benefit of the doubt as they do Lil Wayne/Soulja Boy/hell R. Kelly.
I know, I know… apples and oranges. But fruit is fruit.
or something more profound…

@Sylph so pissed you were in DC and didn’t even CALL! What if I was at carnival? I wasn’t… carnival combines two things I hate into one. reggae/dancehall/win’ ya mudda music and parades.

And obese people in various states of public nakedness.
no offense.
none taken.

30 06 2008
Saun

BET is the devil’s workshop and Viacom is his henchmen.

30 06 2008
Jen

Good God, Omar. Cosbyesque was said in jest!!!

30 06 2008
Lindsay

re: Fig. 2

has anyone seen the video of Ice-T saying Soldja Boy is ruining hip hop?

Worth a Google.

30 06 2008
klysha

Not to defend Soulja Boy again but “Supamanning dat hoe” has nothing to do with ejaculating on a girls back…well at least I’m almost 95% sure that that is not what Soulja Boy meant when he said that. Someone else made that ish up.
The song was just about a dance….people use the term “hoe” to describe a person place or thing….not that that’s a fabulous usage…but people..particularly in the south use the word hoe as a slang term like “joint” or whatever….

30 06 2008
Lindsay

Sorry Angry, didn’t realized you’d brought up the Ice T/Soldja Boy thing already.

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Eases your mind Angry? I WILL hurt anyone who talks about my future husband….!

I like Kanye too damnit. I don’t know where that hate came from. Yes, he tends to bitchassness but i still like what he does. Its funny when missy’s last couple talented videos came out I was discussing with my little brother how she was the only one making good videos anymore. And some of Ludacris’s videos were entertaining. But the posts today are too long, too long people. And some peopel up in here are working hard to get offended by some BS. You know damn well you understood the joke, but pretending hard that it was something else. grrrr

30 06 2008
Lindsay

That should be “hadn’t realized.”

30 06 2008
Omar

@Landon – I meant the video looked like a pool party and hey after pool parties things can go down, it still ain’t as graphic a “lick the rapper” or “superman that ho”. Like I said there are extremes and absolutely no balance.

30 06 2008
Knatural

Why do I feel like one’s defense of the state of Hip-Hop music/videos will have a lot to do with what region of the country one pledges their allegiance. Sure Souljah Boy, and countless other Southern-bred rappers and little Black kids pulled themselves out of the hood via crunk/snap/bounce, most of which is lyrically unconscionable, but do the means justify the ends? This music is horrible and it’s all about making money and, since there’s a lack of balance in the marketplace, it’s contributing to our cultural and social degradation. Maybe it’s not that deep…but still.

30 06 2008
puff

what i really hate about hip hop music right now is that truly great musicians e.g. THE LEGENDARY ROOTS CREW (i’ll apologise now, i’m the roots biggest groupie) get no kind of air play or real recognition becausee record companies keep churning out minstrel show shit – case in point, t-pain getting a grammy nomination.

i hate everything so much right now. i’m going to go listen to some mobb deep and cheer myself up.

30 06 2008
Bassey

Eeek! I apologize for the “obese people” line. That was highly uncalled for. 4 hours of sleep. hella cranky.

Just out of curiousity, how old are most of the posters on this blog? Because I don’t even know who Rich Boy is… and I just found out that the song I heard that I thought was an old, old, never should’ve been released Pac song was really a new, new, never should’ve been released Rick Ross song… then I found out who Rick Ross was and…it burns!!!!!!!!!!!!!

30 06 2008
Omar

Anybody ever notice that Jay-Z only talks about himself…

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

grrr i haven’t recognized BET or MTV on my television for years. I get hulk-style ugly when someone finds them. Although I did kinda like that show on MTV which shows what happens when kids fuck themselves up doing some stupid shit or when young white kids go to juvie.

Hearing about college hill will make you lose 3 IQ points.

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

If i had Jigga’s money all I would do is promote myself too. Gotta give my money playmates.

I’m not coming back until this topic turns to something funnier

30 06 2008
Saun

I hate to admit it but I love Rick Ross’ voice. I wouldn’t touch him with a 10-foot pole but I do like his voice (I have a thing for voices and certain accents)

30 06 2008
Landon

if i had Millions and beyonce and 5 succesful business… i would speak in the THIRD PERSON MY DAMN SELF!

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

I have a cousin who LOVES Lil Wayne like Aretha loves bacon-wrapped Chitlins…She even says that she’d want to have his baby. I told her that I’d stir an RU-486 pill in her food if I EVER found out about her being knocked up by him. She wasn’t too happy about that, but I don’t want no gremlin babies in my damn family.

**But I have Lollipop, A Milli, and Get Off The Corner in my iPod.* *hangs head*

30 06 2008
JG*

Puff…..I feel you on The Roots!! When Rising Down came out I was going around singing Rising Up and NO ONE knew what I was singing. I was like.. “It’s The Roots! You know!! ?uestlove killin’ it on the drums on You Got Me live?? Black Thought only one of the most AMAZING lyricists!?!” It drove me insane!

Sidenote: I saw one of the College Hill Atlanta kids at my side job last week for a Shaq party…. I wanted to hit him with a bottle of Goose. Just mollywop him.

30 06 2008
Landon

i love what he says abotu AL Sharpton even though it makes no sense… but i felt what he was saying, lol

30 06 2008
Cola (Dynamic Diva)

I actually throw up in my mouth a lil bit when I hear females saying that Lil Wayne is fine. Um.. YUCK! He is soooo hideous.

What is entertaining about him is his rhymes. My co-worker and I like to just same them to each at random and laugh

“I’m drinking hot tea bitch!..Feel me?”

30 06 2008
Jen

Knatural–because it does!

If you’re from neither Louisiana nor Texas, you are going to roll your eyes at Bounce. The same for Snap & Crunk and the South or Go-Go and the Mid-Atlantic region or Hyphey and the West Coast.

People from individual regions don’t hold their party music to the same standards as they hold their Hip Hop, yet people from outside the region, do.

I don’t even view Soulja Boy as a “Hip Hop” artist, and I am a little confused as to why Ice T does.

30 06 2008
Cola (Dynamic Diva)

@Rev Leon

Don’t hang your head! I listen to those songs too!

30 06 2008
Saun

I heard the first 2 schools that were on College Hill lost a ton of alumni dollars after they aired. Folks were pissed and made it known.

30 06 2008
georica

@tomatohead

i’m not easily offended so relax. seriously.

30 06 2008
Ayo

Hip Hop is a viable music form. Or, well it was until the creation of Hip Pop (The ‘street’ alternative to regular ‘Pop’ music) that everyone confuses with the Hip Hop. Hip Pop is based soley on imagery, (the fake ass money throwing, hoeing, jewelry laden shit in videos now…you know Viacom approved anti-community imagery) and simple ass beats and juvenile sing-songy lyrics. Real Hip Hop is the Kanyes, Commons, Roots, Mos Def’s, etc’s. These artists rap for the love of the music, rather than the love of the dough.

Maybe I’m an ass, but right now the Hipsters know and appreciate better Hip Hop than the corner kids. They also take the time to learn about the history of Hip Hop (Kool Herc, etc) than the corner kids.

BET subscribes to Hip Pop and the RnB Pop music therefore everyone (who has a brain and appreciates real music) hates it but it has a purpose: To dance @ the club or bump in the car when you just wanna hear a beat and a hook.

And Um… and ‘you can hate me now’ a la Nas, but Lil Wayne can freestyle his butt off. Even if he aint talking bout nothing.

30 06 2008
Omar

If you had millions you could buy a chic that look like Beyonce and that still would make it no less obnoxious.

Shit, Flava Flav got money and women too…

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

“People from individual regions don’t hold their party music to the same standards as they hold their Hip Hop, yet people from outside the region, do.”

Right, I went to HS and College in Mississippi, so I will listen to DJ Jubilee, Josephine Johnny, Hot Boy Ronald, etc. in a NY minute. When I play it around folks from other parts of the country, it’s always a WTF towards me…I think that’s why as much as I can’t stand Weezy, truth be told, I’ve been hearing this cat since I was in High School, so he doesn’t really bother me as much as he really could.

And as for Go-Go, thanks to my DC Urrea family, I fucking love it. Whenever I play it around my friends from down south, they’re ready to beat me down and throw my radio out the car. Whatever! I’m listening to Mambo Sauce right now at work…

30 06 2008
Lindsay

@ Saun –

I also love Rick Ross’s voice. Jay-Z’s voice on “Who U Wit” (from the “Sprung” soundtrack…anyone remember that?) is what got me hooked on him when I was…11? 12? (I’m 23.)

Also, Gorilla Zoe’s voice. Young Joc, too, to an extent.

30 06 2008
Prime Minister Cinema

(Omar) has anybody noticed that Jigga is mostly asked to talk about himself? …and at least he’s got something to talk about. the man is busy.
“my homey strict told me: dude finish your breakfast.”

30 06 2008
Lindsay

@ Rev Leon –

That warms my heart. 😀 You’re one of the few out-of-towners who I’ve heard come to this area and leave liking go-go. Most of my out-of-town college friends came, and can now tolerate certain songs, but can’t really get down with the get down, as it were (yes, I use old slang).

30 06 2008
4m_no_2_dc

sorry, hating on some of this post.
i’m from new orleans, and wayne has a thick new orleans accent.
he’s ugly, yes. and he raps about the same bullshit as everyone else, but his metaphors ( if you can call them that) are why he’s so popular now. everyone loved his underground mix tapes, and he’s been shat on for so long, that they threw his ugly ass a bone and gave him some props. (no comment on the “gay kiss”) yes, i’m biased. but lil wayne can freestyle like a beast ( guess that works since he looks like one).

and don’t tell me any of you never liked some rapper even though their lyrics were shit and they had nothing to really say.

soulja boy killed hip hop. it was on life support and this little asshole came along and pulled the plug.

@JG common went to southern university in baton rouge.

@chaotic diva
most people who come from backgrounds like lil wayne and soulja boy don’t have parents with the same mindsets as everyone else parents. when they make it out the hood off the backs of their kids, they aren’t going back for the sake of hip hop, intergrity, or to eliminate the stereotypes of blacks. they want out the hood- by any means.
lil wayne grew up not too far from where i used to go to dance school…. if you lived there, you wouldn’t care about how you got out… you would just want out.

but like i said, i’m biased.

30 06 2008
Sister Toldja

The only person I hate more than Little Wayne (aside from Fergie*) is his mother for choosing life. I live on a block populated by Bloods and all these niggas listen to is Wayne and Game. Like, 20 hours out of the day.

Ice-T is right about Souljah Boy. But wtf has he done for Hip-Hop? He helped start the downward spiral his damn self.

*- Did y’all see her at the Black Extinction Telivision Awards? Who was like “You know what we REALLY need? An old, ugly White woman with no discernable talent?

30 06 2008
Sister Toldja

Also: THE SOUTH KILLED HIP HOP!

*Drops mic*

30 06 2008
4m_no_2_dc

@rev leon
that’s right …. i was just thinking about that….. I HEART BOUNCE MUSIC!!!!! YAY FOR BOUNCE!!!!!

30 06 2008
Knatural

The difference is Go-Go is more of a “cover” music. Most Go-Go songs are re-makes of current top-40? Right? I’m not a fan of Go-Go, in general, though I’m from DC. This brand of snap/bounce hip-hop is mass-marketed.

30 06 2008
Saun

@Lindsay

I love go-go but I haven’t been able to get my fix up here in NYC. I used to make some brave trips to Iverson Mall toget cds when I came to town. RE is my fav.

30 06 2008
Ayo

@ ST:
AND THE WEST COAST (the gangsta rap phenom) KILLED THE HIP HOP.
Save for folks like Hieroglyphics, Pharcyde, Alkaholics.

30 06 2008
Lindsay

Yeah, Knat, you’re right.

There are some originals (few and far between).

But that’s more the ‘new’ go-go (Backyard Band, Northeast Groovers (now defunct), CCB, TCB.)

Chuck Brown still makes original songs, and I believe that Mumbo Sauce “Miracles” was original, and “Welcome to D.C.,” too. CCB’s “Phatty,” too.

My dad also hates go-go.

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

@ Sister Toulja:

Oh lord, here we go…Now I love you like some cooked food, but really, saying the south killed all hip-hop is a silly arguement that I’ve never understood…What about Outkast? Hell, I’ll even throw in Scarface and DJ Screw (RIP) even though I hate chopped-and-screwed with the heat of a million suns…I’ll even throw TI in. Even though he’s rapped his share of bullshit, and he’s done some stupid shit in real life, some of his stuff is pretty clever…

30 06 2008
4m_no_2_dc

@ ayo
the pharcyde… ::singing::
she keeps on passing me by

30 06 2008
Lindsay

@ Rev –

Don’t forget UGK!

30 06 2008
Knatural

ST – I’m mad you brought up Black Eyed Peas. I am PISSED that they only got really famous when they added Esthero, and then later Fergie. When they had the Black girl, nobody cared about them.

30 06 2008
Omar

The problem is corporations get their hands on stuff and throw it all in the same box if you look at back in the day there was always people like ‘2live crew’ and Luke but they weren’t in the same category as KRS-One or Public Enemy.

30 06 2008
jg14

@4m….. Perhaps he went there as well. But I know he for sure went to FAMU at some point.

30 06 2008
4m_no_2_dc

the south did not kill hip hop….
as a female from the south i am offended.

30 06 2008
aceklub

dayum, Dayum, DAYUM…

The day that I have actual work to do and this topic comes up. Maybe we will have 500 comments by lunchtime b/c I know this will definitely cause a stir. I will have to comment afterwards.

Have a good day yall

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

Awww shyt, can’t forget UGK! RIP Pimp C.

I don’t know, the arguments about Southern Hip Hop from East-Coasters has always had this sort of overall elitist anti-south bias…not just hip-hop itself, but the south overall. I know it’s not perfect down here, but really…

30 06 2008
Cola (Dynamic Diva)

I agree that when everyone is rapping about the same shyt its a major issue. Everyone doesn’t have money, fly girls, rims etc. So stop it. It’s like everyone wants to follow the same formula. The problem is when other artists that are making songs with formula are not given the same air time. We should have VARIETY!

I am going to date myself… I can remember when U.N.I.T.Y was out and loved it. But I also used to listen to N.W.A and Luke. I recall everyone hating on them too! Even went so far to ban 2 live Crew.. I turned out just fine! Or at least I think I did 🙂

The only difference between now and then regarding the videos is that the females are wearing less and less,regardless of the song topic.

Personally I don’t mind some of the Lil Wayne songs that are out. I like a lot of southern hip hop. Of course there are some songs that I scratch my head and wonder how did that get on the air?

30 06 2008
Ayo

Hip Hop isn’t dead, but the wack-ass sambo tap dancing video hoe baffonery imagery must die.

30 06 2008
georica

hip hop is NO where near dead or life support. my problem with it is the lack of diversity, not necessarily the artists. it would be a different story if right after “lollipop” aired a video for kweli was played. my anger is directed more towards record companies and media outlets who refuse to promote artists with a wider range of topics.

there will always be rappers like lil wayne, soulja boy, and who ever else black folks feel ashamed of. anyone remember 2 Live Crew and NWA? back then we received an assortment concepts.

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

I can’t get my gogo fix either now in the NYC vicinity. Luckily my brother is on the look out for fresh stuff (original gogo- though I did love the gogo version of pieces of me, hated the original). There was one glorious afternoon I was driving up (b4 gas was WTF) and Adimu was still on the wendy williams station and he did a half hour mix of the best gogo had to offer in the middle of the day. I was dancing and shit in my car, probably looked crazy to everyone else.

Also I fucking LOVE Bmore club music. K-swift is my dogg(ette). I like hyphy too. in fact I appreciate almost every type of local music because its unique and originalish. When I first heard crunk and pastor troy like 5 years ago in tennessee I didn’t really feel it but i like it a little. Same thing with lil jon before he got big.

30 06 2008
Cola (Dynamic Diva)

oops. I mean to say without the formula.

30 06 2008
Prime Minister Cinema

There as only been a few music videos which were truly artistic and creative…

The first was THRILLER BY FAR… but after that what videos come to mind (i am curious) as artisticly genius?

A: You got Me,The Roots/She keeps on passing me by, Pharcyde/What they do, The square Roots/a bunch of R. Kelly videos and i could go on.

there has been a lot of time past since MJ’s Thriller. the majority of the MUSIC VIDEO’S since then have been shit but there are qutie a few that have been artisticaly sound. (not necessarily critiquing the music or lyrics etc.) some of the video’s have made the music SEEM better. go figure.

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

Does anyone remember that VH-1 special about Video Girls. Remember when those Z-list rappers were in Fayetteville, NC of all places shooting a video at some Days Inn swimming pool, and they were auditioning strippers from the local club, and those girls thought it was going to be their big break?

Random I know, but still…

30 06 2008
Cola (Dynamic Diva)

try to ban.. Grammar and Spell Check Gods please forgive me

30 06 2008
Landon

EVERYONE PUT DOWN THE GUN (keyboards)
cant we all just get along?

Being from NYC (birth place of RAP) i was once ignorant and sdissed all Southern Rap until i went to school in the “A”…

Not only did i learn about Southern Rap but all rap from all over the country.

Rap is to speak to ones experience from where they are from. Depending where you live people experience different things. We have to respect that…

Alll Rap is not the same! Some is deep some is gangsta some is party music. We can’t have a hot DANCE party with pure lyrical deep shit…

When i am in the club i want to here some UNCLE LUKE and some that is going to make the GALS act a damn fool while they are drinking shots from my damn Patron bottle.

Whats killing hip hop is the COOKIE CUTTER shit that has killed our creativity. We need to bring live music back into our MUSIC to save RAP… we need to start writing more… and sngs neeed to stop being HOOKS! Listen to old songs they dropped 16 real bars… not 12 lines of hooks and three lines of lyrics… (((((((DROPS THE MIC))))))))

30 06 2008
4m_no_2_dc

LOL @ Rev Leon…

those girls are still at the strip club… they didn’t make it
they tried
they just weren’t on superhead status.

30 06 2008
Ayo

Superhead sucked her ass off for superhead status. Wasnt enough penis around for them hoes to get a break. hehehehe.

30 06 2008
Cola (Dynamic Diva)

I remember that special. So sad..

30 06 2008
Knatural

Where are the female rappers/MCs/Hip-Hop artists?

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

Another Guilty Pleasure/neck breaker:

“No mo Play in GA” by Pastor Troy…

I’m ready to fuckanigga up when I hear that song…and people say I’m bougie…

30 06 2008
4m_no_2_dc

@ willnotbetelevised

I LOVE B MORE CLUB MUSIC TOO!!!!

30 06 2008
Landon

that should have said 12 bars of hooks and 4 lines of lyrics but apprently wathing BET this weekend has caused me to lose the ability to ADD

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Listen missys videos were the shit. I would put them on the same level as thriller. Although that spit flying into someone elses mouth has traumatized me forever.

I loved UNITY but i will say i got the single on tape and I was still in elementary school. but i’m they same age as chris within a month!

30 06 2008
Landon

and spell

30 06 2008
Amadeo

As old as it makes me feel…I hate 99.5% of anything that will show up on MTV, BET, or your major local “urban” radio station.

It should be legal to beat some off these people with spiked bats. Not to mention these cat in the hat ass lyrics…remember the early – mid 90’s when it seemed like emcees wrote their rhymes with a thesaurus in hand?

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

BIG UP BMORE CLUB MUSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

30 06 2008
Omar

NWA talked about sex and violence but they really weren’t ignorant and it in some respects was a reflection of where they were from. It is a huge difference than running around acting like the hood is the best shit ever, like they didn’t leave for a reason. has anyone been to a hood or a club for that matter that looked like these overglossed videos…NO. We went from bringing to light a screwed up reality to creating a fictional one more destructive than the original.

30 06 2008
4m_no_2_dc

@ AYO.
you right, but wasn’t destined for shit at the DAYS INN MOTEL SHOOT. they didn’t even get paid for that shit.
one girl was like ” I don’t care about getting paid, i just wanna get my face out there”
riiiiiiiiiiiight. thats how you make it.

30 06 2008
Landon

REV leon:

LOL i was in culture shock the first time i hard PASTOR TROY, i was a freshman at Morehouse and it was the first party at the WAREHOUSe!

they were playing PYT then all of a sudden the pastor troy beat came on and everyone started throwing bows!!!

favorite line

HOLY BIBLE ASSAULT RIFLE THALL SHALL NOT KILL UNLESS THEY MAKE YOU FEEL…

30 06 2008
jg14

Ayo….. that’s how I feel. I love Hip Hop.. and I can dig party music for what it is. But can we as Beautiful Black people stop with the Sambo Coonery? Goodness. It makes life as a Black person that much harder. If someone asks me “Can you dance?” And I say, “Well yes. I studied Ballet, Jazz, Modern, and a little Ballroom.” The response is often “No… I mean like how black people dance. Like in the videos. I want to learn how to do that”…

UGH!

30 06 2008
Omar

One of my favorite videos was the Bone Thugs in Harmony “Crossroads” video, even though the angel of death looked like Isaac Hayes.

Seeing girls from Baltimore dance to club music makes believe in the Matrix…

30 06 2008
Landon

off to some meetings in the city everyone have a blessed day 🙂

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

@4M: I don’t know who was more desperate and sad- those Days Inn Video Girls or those broads auditioning to be Piles’ Bust-It Baby…(was I the only one pissed off at the Bust-It Baby remix with Janet Jackson? That’s what I thought)

Missy was the SHIT. Sock It To Me was one of my favorite videos from her. Anyone who does a tribute to Megaman is all right with me.

And I loved “Get Ur Freak on” too. The choreography, the bhangra beat, the jungle set…just everything about that video was tight.

I would entertain ya’ll with a list of my favorite music videos of all time, but I do have to do some work today.

30 06 2008
Ayo

@4m… SMH! The thing is this imagery makes women feel like they CAN get a break cause of their body! I would put the odds at making the NBA. Slim to none.

@Amadeo… “remember the early – mid 90’s when it seemed like emcees wrote their rhymes with a thesaurus in hand?” can you say Keif Murry son? lol. (yeah.. i ment keif insead of Keith.)

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Omishit landon, i remember the culture shock too when I was in tennesee and they started thrown bows. I thought, how gay is this to run all the women off the floor.

30 06 2008
4m_no_2_dc

@ ayo
they can “do” something with their bodies to break in the industry…
but that would then mean not doing shit for free!

30 06 2008
Ayo

I met Pastor Troy in the ‘A’ while I was working @ this high school and we literally had to stop the female students from passing dude their telephone number. HE WAS LIKE 38 THEN!!!! And the students just wanted to be like the rest of the girls in the videos or sleep with him. Plus his jeans were tight. (Before that was acceptable like now). Don’t know why that matters.

FATHERS & MOTHERS, please skool your daughters (and sons) about ‘these niggas in videos’! Discernment is not the same as it was for us. (I knew Micheal Jackson didnt turn into a wolf for real…!) These kids think having money and hoes and shit is the truth!

30 06 2008
headnutincharge

hmmm…Im confused. Isn’t that image an Aztec calendar not a Mayan? Japanese …Chinese same thing right?

30 06 2008
Omar

@WNBT – aren’t you from DC? They do a different version of the same thing in Go-go’s, it is just at the go-go it only goes on for a few minutes before a fight breaks out. When ‘Backyard’ plays you can almost time the inevitable fight to the second.

30 06 2008
Esquire

“Bob Johnson got out while he still could with his dignity. I’m not mad at him at all. We went from classic movies (I’m Gonna Get You Sucka) being played on his network, to ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT LIKE COLLEGE HILL ATLANTA.”
WAIT. A. MINUTE.

Bob Johnson. got. rid. of. every. slightly. educational. show. BET. HAD.
Teen Summit, BET News, Tavist Smiley, etc. He has no dignity. We should ALL be mad at him. He eliminated these shows saying he had no responsibility to black youth. “BET is an entertainment network, not a news channel”

Here is the problem.
1.He NAMED it BET. He should have named it Black MTV, if all he was going to do was show videos and coon shows. The name does not embody black entertainment. This is what people ALL AROUND the WORLD think of us. You tell them we are a bunch of thugs and hoes, and then we give them a network to prove it.
2.No, BET is NOT a news channel, but DAMN even MTV keeps thier viewership aware of world issues and political issues. They also are beginning to allow political ads coming this fall. What is BET doin? Producing BET awards shows that glorify rappers, r&b hoes, and athletes.
3. We can change the channel, hell, I can watch it and still be alright. Because I can seperate reality from fiction. Many of our young blacks in inner cities CANT. Because for some those videos ARE reality. They believe the only way to have a iced our Rick Ross chain is to sell drugs. They believe that Rick Ross knows Norega. (sigh) They dont see doctors, teachers, attorneys, fire fighters, who look like them. And that DOES go all the way up to young adults. They think that shit is impossible because they dont ever SEE it.

I must stop, Ive exceeded my comment limit. Damn sorry yall I hate bob johnson

30 06 2008
Jo

@ Jen:

I appreciated the history lesson regarding Bounce, Crunk, and Snap music. And in general, it’s not a personal requirement that every song I like have some deeper meaning.

But if I’m going to listen to simplistic rhymes, I’d appreciate it if the chosen topics weren’t so offensive or generally ignorant. Why do I need to hear an endlessly recurring hook about somebody’s ice and/or ass?

30 06 2008
zoso

I second willnotbetelevised. Missy’s videos always bring something fresh to the table.

Also: “I am disappointed in the fact that there are so many stereotypical blacks that I’ve encountered who happen to have a problem with me because I was raised not to be a stereotype. Every Persian that I’ve met, along with Latino and West Indian, has not passed judgment on me for not being a stereotype.”

It’s cool folks are always talking about not being a stereotype, etc. I’m not trying to point a finger at whoever wrote this, but the mere fact that so many black folks, myself included at times (especially at work), often think of/present themselves in regards to what OTHER races ignorantly believe they are/should be is a shame.

What more, so many folks on here pipe on about how s/he is not a stereotype. Then who the hell is? No one, save for maybe those parading around on tv for that instant in time it took to shoot the scene, is a true stereotype.

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

My dad works for the Dept of Education in his state, so he works with a lot of students. Now, it takes a lot to shock him, but one day, he comes home really upset because some girl who couldn’t have been no more than 8 or 9 told him about how she wanted to be a stripper when she grew up “just like my mama and my auntie”…

30 06 2008
Natalie

What th–MTV Jams is still on the air? I didn’t even know that…is that bad? All I ever see for this network when I click on my remote’s guide button are two-day long marathons of “My Super Sweet Sixteen” and “MTV Cribs.” If it wasn’t for my roommate and YouTube the last time music video i would’ve seen all the way through was Jordan Knight’s “Give it to You.”

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

oh i should mention i love gogo but never actually listened to it live. Sexist bastards i was with back then told me gogo events were not for girls. then i found out it was tru.

30 06 2008
Esquire

Bob Johnson puts all this crap on his network and then tries to rag Barack about smoking marijuana…Had Johnson SEEN the videos while he was there? ugh. He disguists me.

30 06 2008
zoso

Oh and on the topic of Bob Johnson and BET. I’m with Esquire 100%.

30 06 2008
Omar

@WNBT – very true, unless you go to see more mature band like RE, Lissen or Chuck.

30 06 2008
Ayo

i may create a riot. my boogie black card may be revoked, but…
Bob Johnson didnt end those shows because he felt like it. He ended those shows because the negro’s watching BET didnt want to watch that stuff! If we hate BET it has to blamed on the VIEWERS for not asking for intelligent programming and then ACTUALLY watching it. Bob just looked at the bottom line, MONEY, and negros werent watching the positive shows so they got cancelled.

30 06 2008
theylikemyneworleansdemeanor

4m_no_2_dc =me. from now on!!! yay!!!

30 06 2008
Esquire

FATHERS & MOTHERS, please skool your daughters (and sons) about ‘these niggas in videos’! Discernment is not the same as it was for us. (I knew Micheal Jackson didnt turn into a wolf for real…!) These kids think having money and hoes and shit is the truth!

Thanks AYO. Please see my number 3. lol I agree wholeheartedly with you

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

@Ayo:

Sad, but true…

Oh yeah, “What that Thang Smell Like” by Black Jesus.

30 06 2008
theylikemyneworleansdemeanor

alot of black people weren’t watching that stuff, ayo. it seems like everyone who watched it post on this blog, and the rest of world was busy waiting for rap city to come on.
i gotta go to work. c u guys later 😦

30 06 2008
Omar

@Esquire – they also believe Rick Ross is his real name, the real Rick Ross literally did more to destroy black people than Willie Lynch.

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

zoso i feel ya on the stereotype thing but i think we get so used to saying we aren’t a stereotype because people constantly treat us as we are. My mother come to find out was rumored to be a single mother on her job regardless of the fact that she wore her wedding band and along the pictures of us kids she had up in the office, she also had one with my dad in it too. And this rumor was told to a white woman who kept no pictures of her son in the office b.c. she was a single mother. I think dealing with this makes many black people reflexively mention they aren’t a stereotype b.c. you never know when someone is going to treat you like you are.

And i’ve definitely seen coonery in the streets that makes me go damn, mebbe its you who they based the stereotypes off of.

30 06 2008
thatnyckhick

I just have to say, I moved from NY to ATL about 2 1/2 yrs. ago to attend college and I felt I would die listening to the radio. Radio is bullsh*t I know, but ATL radio is fucking sewage….I approximate my move around the time that Young Jeezy became popular and I could slowly feel brain atrophy occuring.

I can remember very clearly Big’s first two and only tapes (I’m 20), and he was very vulgar, but he told a great story (read: “I’ve Got A Story to Tell”)….who does that now that has mainstream exposure? Pac had some occasionally justified anger issues, but he was very, very intelligent; who is that for my nieces and nephews? I can’t think of anyone, and if I had to pick, they certainly wouldn’t come from the South….the last cd’s I bought were Lupe Fiasco (the first one and excellent compared to the rest) and Kanye West. Someone gave me an Akon cd and I threw that shit out the window on I-95

I can’t say the South necessarily killed Hip Hop, I think it is much more a corporate thing, and I have come to respect some artists, like the oft mentioned UGK (Bun B in particular, Pimp C, may he rest in peace, managed to offend me with every other sentence with the exception of down low men “poisening the pussy population.”)

30 06 2008
Esquire

Ayo, I actually agree with you.

But the fact that he says that he doesnt owe the community that, etc. is what gets me. Instead of reformatting the shows, or producing them in a quality way, he just cut them and put on more videos. He DID owe us that. That was the only channel we had.

While I dont know this, I suspect even Bob’s esteemed horsejumping equestrian daughter does not/ did not/ was not allowed to watch the bullshit on BET. You think she was up watchin UnCut? The problem is our youth watch that shit like its crack. And he had NO problem feeding it to them. We dont even try to SLIP in something. At least MTV does 30 second tidbits on the election, tsunami, etc. Surely you must agree with that. As HNIC, he is to blame for some of it.

30 06 2008
Ayo

@ thatnychick:
“Pac had some occasionally justified anger issues, but he was very, very intelligent; who is that for my nieces and nephews? I can’t think of anyone, and if I had to pick, they certainly wouldn’t come from the South…”
*standing and applauding*
i really cant think of anyone. not even via the RnB circut. Beyone married a rapper! lol think about the implications of that one!

30 06 2008
Esquire

Sorry, but I hold him responsible. He can pump money into Spring Bling, and cant reformat shows that had “low” ratings. I dont care what no one say either, people were watching Tavist Smiley. (at least in my head) lol

you like my double negatives

30 06 2008
Esquire

Ayo, you dont like Outkast or Andre3000? Goodie Mob, they actually have some good, deeper messages in some of thier material. I will still always love Arrested Development too.

And quit hating on the south, we have such artists as Geechie Boy and Collard Green…mmmmmmhahaha

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

@ thatnyckhick:

ATL hip-hop radio does indeed sucks monkey balls. Masterbating with sandpaper is more entertaining and fun than listening to some of the garbage they put out. I usually just stick to the R&B stations…Frank and Wanda make my ass itch and Greg Street makes my brain ache.

And I’m glad to see that I’m not the only one who’s thrown a CD out the window…

30 06 2008
Knatural

Sometimes I wish rating didn’t matter, but that’s unrealistic. Shows can take years for folks to tune in and appreciate it’s worth, i.e. Seinfeld. Nobody watched Seinfeld early on, but NBC gave it a chance.

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

@ Esquire:

Goodie Mob! Who’s that peepin in my window?

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

murf, i loved arrested development the group and the tv show. Why was that on fox, totally a nbc audience. sigh… wins emmys and people still dont watch. I blame that entirely on rupert murdoch. I will miss G.O.B. and his fantastic voice

30 06 2008
Esquire

The Good Right Rev Leon Lonnie Luv,
My favorite one was brown skin. lol

30 06 2008
Ayo

@ Esquire: “At least MTV does 30 second tidbits on the election, tsunami, etc.”
My question is… what does that say about the state of young black america? They don’t even have a fleeting interest in the world outside of the video and music circut? The realism of this disarms me and makes me want to cry fat tears for their misdirection.

Regarding BJ: I agree. He owed us/shoulda done better by us/alienated the best of us. Fortunaltely for Bob, unfortunatley for the rest of us Bob is a business man first. A community activist never. He is quite an interesting figure (I did a lot of research on the man) and um, he says that he has probably made more Black millionaires than singular person and that Blacks need to start investing in REAL buisness like hotels, etc to be financially viable – which he has done himself…but he bottom line for him has always been profit. And he is a self-made billionarie. He ‘did that’.

30 06 2008
Omar

@Esquire – You’re my beginning and end your my sister lover and friend…

30 06 2008
Ayo

Esq… I LOVVVVE Andre 3000 (and Outkast and Goodie Mob and em). Andre is the DOPEST most underated MC in the game who doesnt even want to rap but has to 2 pay the bills. And Arrested Development? Should we just get married now? And raise our kids watching stuff like the Great Debaters?

30 06 2008
Ayo

For the ATL folks… But I LOVED Ryan Cameron. He would make me damn near crash my car laughing at his but! check out his non-profit: ryancameron.org

and for more info on what the hated Bob Johnson is doing now: rljcompanies.com even if you hate the man… his hustle is out of this world.

30 06 2008
Bailey Blues

I so agree with Angry’s points. “Apparently, freestyling an entire album off of someone else’s ghost-written lyrics without linking together any song to tell a story of any sort is what became hot in the streets. ” Lil Wayne is not talented, everyone jumped on his dick a few years ago and now he is the hottest rapper…I think not!

Not to mention kissing another grown man in the mouth is gay. If that’s your lifestyle, cool, but the fact that you do it under the guise of him being your “daddy” is ridiculous. That man is 5 years older than you. He’s your man, not your pappy.

Music videos are trash now, I agree.

But I don’t agree about Beyonce. I love her! I think most of her songs are commercial and made for the radio (think corny pop), but she has a beautiful voice and you can hear it on her ballads.

30 06 2008
Monie

Beyonce has a lazy left eye; it makes her look cross-eyed. Is cross-eyed a politally incorrect term?

30 06 2008
Cheekie

Man, thank you Chris for summing up Lil Wayne so perfectly. The thing that annoys me the most about him is that he has these killa beats (i.e. A Millie) but RUINS them with that constipated retard ass voice of his.

Oh, and The Box? Where people voted for Bone Thugs’ “Crossroads” 100,000 times a day? Great memories.

30 06 2008
Esquire

Well Ayo,
It depends. I have to divorce my husband first. And if you are a female, we would have to fly out to California. But I am willing to make the sacrifice for anyone who loves Arrested Development like I do. I dont know, Omar is giving you some competition

Also, I dont think we have a big disinterest, but 106 and Park comes on the same time as the National News. (ugh) So you know what gets chosen. To me, I would like to think at least the college aged kids who watch BET could watch an upbeat news show that is reflective of black issues. If BET must mirror MTV, add in the substance as well.

30 06 2008
jg14

Monie… Thank you for that! I always thought something was wrong with her eye, but didn’t want to say anything for fear of being labeled prejudiced against people with disabilities.

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

Ryan Cameron is pretty funny…

And yeah, Bob Johnson is an ass, but he didn’t get to where he is today by being alturistic and compassionate. He is a man about that bottom line. Yeah, it sucks, but it is what it is and he got his…

And I want to learn as much as possible about investing and making my money make money for me myself. I was on the phone with a relative the other day and she was talking about how I didn’t shop much with my ‘economic stimulus’ check. I was like, “I have bills!”. Priorities people!

30 06 2008
Esquire

Rev,
you can make lots of money without promoting negative stereotypes to an entire race, one of which you belong to. Thats what makes me angry about him. He is obviously talented and smart as hell. He has a great business sense. Too bad he wont TEACH it to anyone else.
He had a lot of power and influence and could have worked that network into something extremely progressive. But he did not. Meanwhile he is teaching his own children to be progressive.
I put him right up there with the tobacco companies. Everything he is did was legal, made him a lot of money, and is sort of the american dream. But he knew that shit he was putting out there was bad, and he did for the dollar. He took the easy way to make a buck of his people. That, I cannot respect. He’s not better than a drug dealer. (HARSH)

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

No monie, i think its closer to PC than I would use: wonky eye. Or a cockeyed mothafawka. I tell everyone not to look at me cockeyed. Then one day i said it to this dude who actually was cockeyed, he looked at me all weird, and i had to remember he was probably sensitive about that. I had to let him know i didn’t mean how he normally looked at people, i mean specifically that moment when he was looking at me crazy.

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

@ Esquire:

I2I. That’s why I support TVOne rather than BET. Kathy Hughes is that chick.

30 06 2008
Esquire

I just fell out of my chair laughing at you WillNot.
“I had to let him know i didn’t mean how he normally looked at people, i mean specifically that moment when he was looking at me crazy.” That was NOT nice.

30 06 2008
jg14

Speaking of Stimulus packages. If the Govt. spent 75% of what they spent on the stimulus package on reparations for black people, the economy would definitely be stimulated. It’s really sad, but in the “A millie” days of today, the price of chrome and grills would go up. Ace of Spades would be in everyone’s ‘Fridge. I bet very little would go towards investing.

30 06 2008
Ayo

I would never ever ever give up the national news for 106 and Park.
Your point about an engaging news show for younger viewership would be great but i think it would have to be news bits like on MTV…
I guess admist the myriad of ignorence protests, BET has some new shows coming out: Cousin Jeff has a show coming on BET this season. And there is supposed to be a Black Man’s perspective show. And they are going to the Black Panther cartoon.
But, don’t leave your husband… I’m looking for one myself!

30 06 2008
jg14

Did anyone actually watch the youtube video posted on the group by the Ying Yang Twins? I’m moving back to Bermuda… Get outta here.

30 06 2008
Stephanie

@ puff

Yes, Big Love is the shit. Why is HBO screwing with me and not premiering the third season???

Off-topic, I know. Back to reading comments.

30 06 2008
Ayo

And for the record… Beyonce sucks ass. (Get a personality). If I hear about her cayanne pepper diet and love of Popeyes again Im going to scream. Every time I see her overly weaved up head of hair, i want to pull it out in an angry fashion.

And my 2 cents on reparations is that it should be paid via a 2 year education from a university of your choosing. (Or for those already degreed.. the funds for the 1st two years should be re-paid)

30 06 2008
Monie

Rev Leon Lonnie Luv,

Why do people over-look the fact that on most of Cathy Hughes’ radio station she plays the very same music that BET plays? Cathy is an abject hypocrite. And furthermore TV ONE, like BET, is not Black owned. It’s a publicly traded company and Comcast is a major if not majority holder of TV ONE stock.

TV ONE is just BET lite.

30 06 2008
ninabrown

@willnotbetelevised:
i was at a club and this guy approached me and we began to chit-chat. i guess i had 2 many chardonnay’s when i asked him, “why are you looking over there? are you cross-sided or something?” he replied, “yes, i am.” i was sooooooo embarassed! he took it like a man and laughed it off. that killed my buzz. i avoided him for the rest of the night.

30 06 2008
Esquire

@Ayo,
lol okay. I love my husband. He doesnt like Arrested Development though. I wasnt sure that I could get down with the Lesbian thing anyway.
I didnt know Cousin Jeff was getting a show…that will be interesting. One point for BET.

30 06 2008
Esquire

Monie,

I think its sad that TVOne is not black owned and is still doing a better job than BET. What does that say about US as a people? BET used to be black owned and got in its sad state under black ownership. It got WORSE, granted. lol at least TVOne is trying.

30 06 2008
Esquire

another note of TVONE…I have yet to see a BET show about Money. It at least seems to be a network geared at educated blacks. I dont mean college educated, I mean blacks who wanna see more than videos. I cant knock them for some sense of responsibilty to our community.

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Yea the dude was a friend, I had never mentioned his wonky eye before (it actually took me a year to realize he was cockeyed) and I say no special treatment for the disabled. they want to be treated just like everybody else. And I say to everybody, don’t look at me cockeyed! Plus this is a dude who I call Ignant as if that’s his name. And I was damn near about to change his name straight up to Nigga b.c. thats how he acts, but technically he’s african so I couldn’t do that.

Yea I try to not do this to people I just met. I have a problem mocking people subconsciously and i can’t play poker b..c my thoughts are written on my face. So if he was wonkyeyed I’d probably just keep ducking and weaving my head trying to get into his view of one of his eyes and he’d know. Also please don’t have a limp around me b.c. i will subconsciously fuck up my walking. I knew a pegleg guy once, it was terrible, he was always leading the way someplace and when he said follow me i did. Also everytime I go to the caribbean i pick up an androgenously caribbean accent. Not on purpose. I have a problem.

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

Well, like Esquire said, I have to give TVOne an E for effort mainly because they at least try to air more positive things than BET. It’s better than nothing. (yeah, I know, but oh well)

But do keep in mind that BET really got in the situation they’re in when Viacom took over.

30 06 2008
ninabrown

since i couldn’t sleep, i began flicking thru channels when i came across a “shawty lo” (who n da hell?)/rick ross video on mtv’s new segment called fnmtv.com (whateva). i guess viewers can video/text comments regarding videos. i nearly hit the floor when someone said RICK ROSS LOOK LIKE “THE HAMBURGULAR”!!!!!!

*stage three of ensomnia-deliriously giddy-that’s me righta bout now

30 06 2008
Monie

Esquire,

I agree TV ONE is better than BET but that’s like saying being slapped in the face is better than being punched. Lol

30 06 2008
Knatural

TVOne aired Purple Rain (and The Last Dragon) the other night. I never realized how awful the acting is, even for an 80s film; still love Prince though.

30 06 2008
Esquire

I have to go. Nina has just killed me. Have a good work/school day everyone

30 06 2008
Sister Toldja

Co-sign Esquire’s Bob Johnson rant. I hate Black people who justify demeaning the community by saying “That nigga got paid though”! Sell-out is not even the word for him.

Rick Ross was on the radio in DC a year or so ago trying to act like he didn’t know much about the real Rick Ross. I am glad that he will probably be doing duets with Big Pun soon.

Um, the South has contributed some of the absoulte worst Hip-Hop has to offer and the more that the rest of the country follows the Southern Hip-Hop trends, the worse off the genre is. If all I knew about the South was was I heard in your music, I would think you all were still slaves. And for the person who stated that she was offended as a person from the South, don’t be mad. I can’t get mad as a person from America if an Iraqi person complained to me that America is destroying the world, or that we have launched a Christian Jihad against the Islamic world for oil. It is what it is.

Leon, what exactly did DJ Screw do for Hip-Hop? Glamorize the abuse of codine, which LEAD TO HIS OWN DEATH? Niggas still drinking sizzurp when Screw been dead for what, 5, 6 years? Oh, and Scarface, what a pillar of Black manhood he is. The South didn’t singlehandledly destroy Rap. It’s like if you shot somebody who already had AIDS. I mean, Hip-Hop was dying, but the south just accelerated the pace. Speaking of AIDS, the REAL killer of Hip-Hop was NWA.

But don’t mind me, I just care more about Black folks than I do Rap.

30 06 2008
ayo

RICK ROSS LOOK LIKE “THE HAMBURGULAR”!!!!!!

hehehehe.

30 06 2008
ninabrown

@ willnotbetelevised: STOP IT!!!!!

*i now have tears in my eyes!

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

Does “Singleterry Says” still air on TVone? I always found that show to be very informative.

And yeah, stereotypes via BET suck ass. I’ll never forget the time that I was up in Canada and I took a tour from Toronto to Niagara Falls, and on the way to the falls, we stopped at a winery (wine? In Canada? Yep…) for a tasting, and I tripped and almost fell on my way to sitting down. The tourists, mainly Japanese and British sort of chuckled, but this one Lativan dude says [insert European Accent here] “Oh, so you’re going to dance for all of us?” I gave him the “Kiss my black ass” look and sat down. I didn’t want to be deported for whoopin ass in Canada. LOL.

30 06 2008
ayo

REPEAT:

Cause Sista TOLDJA: I just care more about Black folks than I do Rap.

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

Well, I’m not about to get into a back-and-forth about who/what/where killed hip-hop, because, well, I care more about black people than I do rap too and I’m not really equipped to do so (yeah, I said it…). But I just thought it was unfair to paint ALL southern hip-hop under one brushstroke, that’s all.

But we can agree to disagree, no skin off my ass…

30 06 2008
Omar

ahh, The Last Dragon…

“Just directa you feetza to daddy Green’s Pizza” = more lyrical content than “Superman” and “Lollipop”

I’m surprised Shonuff doesn’t have a reality show where women vie for his affection which would be titled either “Shonuff of Love”, “Who’s the Master” or “Kiss my Converse…if ya Nasty”

30 06 2008
Bailey Blues

@ST – “The South didn’t singlehandledly destroy Rap. It’s like if you shot somebody who already had AIDS. I mean, Hip-Hop was dying, but the south just accelerated the pace. ”

HILARIOUS!!! And I’m from Atlanta…agreed!

30 06 2008
Omar

The Operative word in sell-out is SELL they always get payed, if they didn’t they did it wrong.

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

can’t stop wont stop

30 06 2008
ayo

Omar… please do a skit of “Shonuff of Love” for youtube.

30 06 2008
Monie

Leon,

“But do keep in mind that BET really got in the situation they’re in when Viacom took over.”

BET was on thier current path before Viacom took over. Remember Bob “Satan” Johnson cancelled all of the public affairs programming. He rationalized by sayingthat no one watched the news, etc.

What he really meant was; “News and all that other crap is expensive and, being Satan, I refuse to air anything that cost more than $200 in production costs.”

Lol

30 06 2008
Jen

*looks at Sister Toldja cockeyed*

30 06 2008
Knatural

ST – I TOTALLY agree. Thank you.

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

@Monie:

So true. I remember when all that stuff was taken off, but it did seem like the Viacom takeover accelerated the pace of bullshittiness on there.

30 06 2008
J.dot

I agree boo on Viacom. I would like to ask that people not generalize the south based on Lil’Wayne or other hip-hop artist. I don’t judge the east coast based on Freeway and DMX. Isn’t Flava from Brooklyn?
But bottom line with Lil’Wayne and Soulja Boy, kids make music for kids. And adults will exploit them for it. I don’t see anything wrong with what SB does. I hate it, but a 17y/o boy making music for teenagers is not an issue. Now when I see a grown a$$ man doing the superman, there is a problem. Same with lil’wayne. If I heard one of my female associates saying they like lilwayne, they would be immediately excommunicated and deleted from my phone, the same will be done of any of my female friends caught wearing air-force ones or jordans. I’m 22 and I say people need to grow up.

30 06 2008
ayo

@ Monie… the reason Viacom wanted BET was becasue it was like looking in a mirror! Now Viacom has more money to invest in the ignorance of America. Wonder when Viacom will buy Telamundo?

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

can’t stop wont stop wonky eyed fellas I just cant get down baby making me frown baby….

just wanted to decrease everyones IQ for a moment.

30 06 2008
ninabrown

what a great start to a wonderful day! good-bye everyone

30 06 2008
klysha

I want to give Landon an extra special thank you for his comment about Hip Hop not all being the same!!! Every region can relate to a different style of music. Throwing it in the same box and blaming one region or another for ruining the whole genre is a silly argument. I have now lived in 4 parts of the country for some length of time and heard regional music from all over the country while I was in college. There is a place for all of it. People from the south like to hear people who sound like them rapping about things they can relate to. Also some music is just for ENTERTAINMENT…to dance to…to party to and that’s it. To attribute music to the downfall of our youth is more a statement on the generation that is letting music raise the kids than to the rappers making the music. I listened to all kinds of music growing up that would be considered garbage by anyones standards. But in the end I didn’t turn out to be a hoe, or think that gangsters and drug dealers were suitable mates. Because someone besides yo MTV raps and BET was raising me. Don’t get me wrong…I HATE most of the music they make today…but I’m not 16 so I’m not supposed to relate to it….they’re not making that stuff for me.

30 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

Well Im going to make this quick since i have shit to do today(Sleep)

for the record…I love lil wayne…and he is the only one that i like from these “new artists”… I will admit i wasnt really feeling him before The Cater I. Lil wayne= ugly as fuck..but i love his swagger and his insane lyrics…

Im not into all these mainstream artists like beyonce non-singing ass augh..

My playlist consists of lil wayne,three six mafia, lil whyte, jill scott, laurn hill,kanye west,lupe fiasco,eryka badu, gym class heroes, hed(p.e), tech n9ne, krizz kaliko, ghostface killah,common,maxwell, maroon 5 ect.

as for watching music videos…. its been way to long…if you catch me watching BET its because I’m watching Martin or Malcom and Eddie. If you catch me watching MTV its because im watching Shot at Love w/ Tila Tequila or Real World… other than that those channels arent watched on a reg.

“RICK ROSS LOOK LIKE “THE HAMBURGULAR”!!!!!!

DEADDdddddddddd…i swear i saw his ass at Kings Dominion yesterday lol…btw The Dominator was the shitttttt!!! and never again will i drink with my man’s friends OMGGG these negros had me twisted lastnight until 5 in tha damn morning!!!!! so yea im not going to work today f that!!! we are all laid out…but i had to make my appereance on here 😀

Toodles

30 06 2008
Monie

Ayo,

I think NBC Universal beat Viacom to it (buying Telemundo).

30 06 2008
Monie

Oh my, Mrs Epps listens to 3-6 Mafia. (Sad look)

30 06 2008
Omar

Lil Wayne is 26 yrs old, where I;m from that is a grown as man so there is no excuse.

No one said rap was the downfall of all black youth but that doesn’t excuse it for being destructive as it is. If I sell you crack I’m not making you smoke it but there is no excuse for selling crack to my own people or anyone else for that matter.

30 06 2008
ayo

Doesnt Viacom own NBC?

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

Viacom owns CBS, not NBC.

30 06 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

“hmmm…Im confused. Isn’t that image an Aztec calendar not a Mayan? Japanese …Chinese same thing right?”

Yes, it’s the Aztec Sun Stone depicting the destruction of the four previous universes. The Mayan’s didn’t have anything equivalently cool looking that foretold the utter destruction of…everything…so I just borrowed this one for the hell of it.

30 06 2008
Monie

Viacom doesn’t own NBC. Viacom used to own (outright) CBS. Then their was a stock split ot something and CBS Corp. is seperate from Viacom, except that Sumner Redstone, the chairman of Viacom, is President of CBS Corp.

30 06 2008
ayo

Companies Viacom Owns:
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30 06 2008
Monie

Their = There

30 06 2008
Knatural

Here’s the thing: If I watch Rap City on any given day, they’ll show about five consecutive videos depicting some platinum-toothed muppet/hobbit, in front of a rented mansion, about 30 redbone, unbeweavable, wavy-haired models, shiny cars, with all the hooks “sung” by T-Pain. Where are the other five consecutive creative, thought-provoking videos. There’s no art in videos anymore, few exceptions. No innovation. Just big-booty girls, in a club, dranking and what-not. Where are videos that tell a story that have little to do with getting money, selling drugs, adultery? No balance…

30 06 2008
J.dot

Mrs. Epps….you wear Air-force Ones and Jordans don’t you? lol
How you say you don’t watch MTV and BET except for just half of the ignorant stuff they put on tv. lol
This is exactly what I’m talking about. Tila Tequila? Now I feel sorry for all bi-sexual asian women. lol
Its your opinion, you have the right to like any music you want, and I have the right to judge your intelligence based on that opinion. lol I sincerely hope you are not over 23. If so I hope you don’t have kids. lol I’m just playin, but watch cnn.

Yall right there is no excuse for lil wayne. He’ll be the next bobby brown in no time.

30 06 2008
zoso

“The Mayan’s didn’t have anything equivalently cool looking that foretold the utter destruction of…everything”

I always thought the Mayans were cool folks. Drunken geniuses actually.

30 06 2008
Monie

J.Dot,

“Yall right there is no excuse for lil wayne. He’ll be the next bobby brown in no time.”

Isn’t he already the next Bobby Brown? I thought I read he was addicted to cough syrup, of all things.

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

Speaking of rappers and lack of compassion for fellow men, I’m still trying to figure out who this was supposed to be about:

“We reported last year that late rapper Tupac hid the fact that he studied Shakespeare because he didn’t want to compromise his street cred.
Now, we have a thugged out rapper who is also hiding a secret.
He discreetly studied investment manuals and became adaptive in investing large sums of money within his online stock account.
And, he’s become an investment wizard with very lucrative overseas investments. He also has an “immediate annuity,” set up that pays him a five figure monthly salary as well.
At the rate he’s going, he should already be set for life, financially.
He had considered lecturing other rappers on money management but at the last minute he decided against it because it may compromise his street cred, as we mentioned earlier.
Sadly, he continues to keep his financial savvy a secret because he doesn’t want to be considered a “NERD” in rap circles. ”

I think whoever this rapper is is doing a severe disservice to other rappers out there that could take a lesson in what he’s doing to ensure a future for himself and his family…

30 06 2008
Merri Lee

Muse (06:09:10) :

Every time a Lil Wayne Video is played, an attractive woman decides to stop giving head. That’s how tragic his music is.

I have tears in my eyes Muse. Your quote is just so profound. *embroiders it on a pillow*

@ Landon – sorry I’m super late, but RE David Banner – he was Student Body President at Southern, and got his Master’s in Education at Morgan State.

BTW – “I’m So Hood” – the epitome of all that is wrong with BET.

30 06 2008
aceklub

IMO, what killed hip-hop is the corporations that realized that there is money in Hip-Hop. As the music became more and more popular, they saw the potential and set the standard of what will be accepted and what will not. Thus, artists see what the corporations are dishing out money-wise and now have to decide whether which path they are going to take, either make music to make money or make music for the love of music. So, when artists like Soulja boy come out w/ their song, they are just a product of the environment. I am not a fan of his at all but his hustle has to be appreciated b/c as a 16 year old, he did what “educated” folks who study marketing couldn’t do, which was self-promote and market his style to the masses and was accepted. So, while his music makes your IQ drop, the folks to blame is the corporation b/c if a child comes from the hood and living poor and corporation is dangling $$$ in front of your face, there are going to be more people who chase that $$$ versus others who don’t take the money.

i would imagine that with our jobs we do certain things strictly b/c of money. Not everyone is doing their job or holding a position strictly for the love of the position (I can ask 90% of government workers in DC and I am sure they not giving up their cushy gov’t position up). I think the issue is the fact that these artists have such a big impact on our youth. This goes back to the Charles Barkley “I’m not a role model” issue from the early 90’s. We, the black community” push so hard for these folks to serve as role models for these kids. However, these folks (artists, ball players) are rarely educated, and only b/c they have money, folks now look to them to steer our kids in the right direction and then we wonder why we have people like Vince Carter (previous post check the records).

So, the Al Sharptons and Jesse Jackson or whatever leader that want to address the music need to target the music corporations and pressure them to stop supporting these types of music and videos b/c if the $$$ were not there, then the artists wouldn’t put out the same “cookie-cutter’ BS. However, when millions are in your face, it is very hard to choose otherwise. I think David Banner said it before, what is going to be provided to the child from the ghetto to improve his situation. While we, as educated folks, know that education is the Key and I agree 110%…it should be our goal to share this to these kids b/c if we are not in their face helping them, then someone else (Rappers, Athletes, etc.)

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

@aceKlub:

I2I with your post.

30 06 2008
Monie

aceklub,

“Thus, artists see what the corporations are dishing out money-wise and now have to decide whether which path they are going to take, either make music to make money or make music for the love of music. So, when artists like Soulja boy come out w/ their song, they are just a product of the environment. I am not a fan of his at all but his hustle has to be appreciated b/c as a 16 year old, he did what “educated” folks who study marketing couldn’t do, which was self-promote and market his style to the masses and was accepted.

People make the same argument when defending drug dealers. Drug dealers have to be good at business management, etc. I think it’s a false argument.

Soulja Boy is a minstrel. Where is the genius in that?

30 06 2008
TheChad

I tend to look at hip-hop (rap ) as much more multifaceted. If its truly a culture then it’s allowed to have different sides to the coin. Lil Wayne and Soulja Boy are just the foils to Common and the Fugees. You can’t really have one without the other. Even in the 80’s and 90’s it wasn’t NEARLY as prevalent, but it was still there. Remember how popular 2 Live Crew was? and NWA? and Too Short?

Also, lyrical talent and a rapper’s subject matter don’t always agree. i know of rappers named Jay-Z, Big L, Big Daddy Kane, etc. who have the ability to manipulate the language with metaphors, extensive vocabularies, rhyme patterns and rhythms in a way that most rappers couldn’t duplicate in their dreams… all while saying the most disrespectful things imaginable.

It’s all relative. Like Lupe said, in life you got ya food (the Roots) and ya liquor (Lil Boosie). I like to partake in both, ya dig.

30 06 2008
amadeo78

Oh and as a someone who lived here since I was three…fuck all Bmore club after the early 90’s.

And fuck Frank Ski for ruining Hip-Hop radio here.

30 06 2008
Sister Toldja

David Banner is an idiot. Him and Nas are like the Mau Mau’s from Bamboozled. David uses his ability to string together a gramatically correct sentence to fool people when he defends Rap music by blaming our elders. Nas has a bookshelf of Franz Fanon and Huey Newton books, but has only read the book jackets.

I understand the arguement that Soulja Boy is only 17, yadda, yadda ya. But his music is profanity laden and ignorant. It’s not age appropriate or cute. It is beyond Sambo shit. He is a walking minstrel show and I blame the adults who gave his ass a record deal and the parents who let their kids listen to it. People dissed Lil Mama’s “Lip Gloss” as the ‘downfall of Hip-Hop’, but I thought that record was very age appropriate. It was “My ADIDAS” for the 15 year old girls of the 2000s. Plus, she is an intelligent young woman and a good rapper. I’d rather my little girls look at her as a role model than Beyonce.

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

@amadeo:

Frank Ski is down here in Atlanta doing the same thing, unfortunately…

30 06 2008
Esquire

Rev:
I checked back in from lunch, and what you wrote almost brought a tear to my eye. Why is it BAD to be financially smart? Why DOES that ruin “street cred?” We are the only race to do this. Hispanics keep it in the family, whites share thier financial secrets with each other (and the token black attorney who is secretly listening at the end of the table). Why dont we?

Like Andre3000 said, “I thought the whole purpose was to get out of the hood and do better.”
Once people do that, they are sell-outs. If you conjugate a verb, you talk white. If you go to school, you think you are better than everyone. It is so sad to me. Wake up people.

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

@ ST:

Lil Mama is SO much more appropriate than Soulja Boy will ever be. And she does come off as intelligent and mature. And me and her share the same birthday, so she’s all right with me.

30 06 2008
Amadeo

Does anyone remember when you got dissed for even coming close to sounding or being like someone else? I miss it.

30 06 2008
Jen

Monie, please.

Soulja Boy is not a damn minstrel. He is a kid having fun. In soooo many ways, his wave of Snap music reminds me of the the more playful facet of the Punk movement.

It makes me sad that bourgie Black people are so uptight about this type of music that young kids can’t have fun without being accused of destroying the race, cooning and bringing down a cultural empire.

30 06 2008
Esquire

Damn Sister,
I always hated that lip gloss song until you put in perspective. If I was 15 that song would def. be the shit. I WILL not say that she is intelligent, however. My neice was watching that dance show on MTV, and I was like, who is the ugly weave wearing, non-“grammatical” bia who wont shut up. When she told me it was Lil Mama, I automatically put her in the same “Im stupid as hell, why does anyone let me talk” category as Ashante and Beyonce.

I do like that shorty get loose song, but just the chorus with my wanna be little man Chris Brown

30 06 2008
Knatural

Jen – why do folks have to be bourjie because we don’t like Souljah Boy? Seriously?

30 06 2008
Amadeo

@ Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

got an address…I know some people who want to “talk” to him.

Andre is the best the south has to offer. You can clearly see growth in his attitudes and ability from his debut til new…I thought he was good when he came out…but now he’s a monster and he actually sounds like an adult.

30 06 2008
Merri Lee

@ST – co-sign with your Lil’ Mama statement! I like her. Sure, she’s not some lyrical genius, but her music is for kids. It’s cute, positive and fun. We had Kirss Kross and Another Bad Creation. Why isn’t there more music for black kids today? Sad.

30 06 2008
aceklub

@ Rev Leon Lonnie Luv
“Now, we have a thugged out rapper who is also hiding a secret.
He discreetly studied investment manuals and became adaptive in investing large sums of money within his online stock account….Sadly, he continues to keep his financial savvy a secret because he doesn’t want to be considered a “NERD” in rap circles. ”

Your comment hits it on the head. For this artist, the music is BUSINESS. A majority of major artists are in it for the business. Only a few can be labeled as artists who were able to make it big while appearing true to the art of hip-hop (the usual Kweli, Roots, Common, etc.) In our community, anything negative has a greater impact among us. As most folks know, white kids consume and support this music through CDs sales, etc. However, the music is only embraced for what it is entertainment. Blacks folks embrace the music as if it is a way of life and thus, folks try to emulate what they see in order to obtain what they think is real. However, we need more people to share and educate these kids so that they understand that it is entertainment.

More importantly, we need more of our educated folks to go into the inner cities and show them that we can relate to their interests (remember we were all young and all had those materialistics values). If we separate ourselves from these kids, then we give room for others to invade and infiltrate our community. If we stand from the suburbs and cry about issues 1,2,3 rather than get our hands dirty in the hoods and make a direct impact, then we are not doing any justice either. Until then, they will continue to listen to the images that they see the most (videos, etc.)

30 06 2008
Monie

Jen’

“Soulja Boy is not a damn minstrel. He is a kid having fun.”

Do you know what “superman dat hoe” means? That’s a kid having fun?

Wow.

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

Andre 3000 is quite simply, da shyt.

Frank Ski does a morning show down here on V-103. He literally makes me have a nervous twitch. I can’t stand hearing his voice on the radio.

30 06 2008
Esquire

@Jen
I thought Soulja boy was a lil 17 year old artist too. But I heard an unedited version of his song…

Then I picked up on the “babymake” and “superman that hoe?” that I had missed and the hoe this and fuck that. Im not saying he is the downfall for the black community, but I dont think he is all that appropriate for 17 year olds either. He’s jsut as bad as the other rappers.

I did however do that dance until I almost passed out at a wedding. Hey, Im grown.

30 06 2008
Knatural

Exactly Merri Lee – Kriss Kross was fun, Souljah Boy is crass.

30 06 2008
Esquire

Jump Jump!!!!!
and how about I missed the bus??? THAT is age appropriate…lol

30 06 2008
jg14

Frank Ski used to host Friday nights at my side job. He is unnaturally creepy. He looks like a chicken nugget with a face.

30 06 2008
Jen

Don’t like =/= Equating with AIDs, Crack and the Reagan Administration

The latter is how soooo many people view Soulja Boy. The latter is just lazy, out-of-touch thinking.

30 06 2008
ayo

I dont have problem with the simple lyrics of Lil Mama or whoever, cause RUN DMC was simple as hell.
I have a problem with the images.
I remember better the image of Queen Latifah in the early nineties with the crown hats on and the hook of her songs than I do all of the lyrics in her songs. (fully dressed – not with a thigh lifted towards the camera lens)
I remember the africa medallions people used to wear. (now gold chains with ig’net transformers crusted in gold on em)
My thing is the images of these artists have moved from the video screen to the street corner to the SUBURBS.

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

Warm it up Chris! I’m about to…

30 06 2008
Amadeo

That shit is cooning. A display put on for the sole purpose of making money. Look at the bank accounts of cat’s from the 80’s and 90’s compared to now. All of those cats were individual and basically had careers that equated to good jobs.

Now you have a bunch of mimicky ass clowns with the equivalent of winning lottery tickets and they make all of that money because (drumroll please)…white people buy that shit. Young dumb white kids who think that’s what the hood is, or that’s what being gangsta is. Because of the increased cash flow everyone is running to cash in instead of contribute. Where is the real innovation. If you can only name one or two people don’t bother. I’m from the history of variety and I know that if we transplant most of these cats to that time…they’d get their ass beat and get sent home to come up with something original.

30 06 2008
Jen

Also…maybe it is because I have an 18 year old sister, but I KNOW how teenagers today talk. I remember how I spoke as a teenager. I cursed then more than I did now, and seventeen year old little boys chase tail as much as the big dogs. That’s just reality. His profanity-laced-songs are not what we WANT to be age-appropriate, but he’s speaking the language of his age group.

30 06 2008
Sister Toldja

Jen- I am not bougie. I am bougetto, get it right. Have you ever heard the song “Yahh Bitch Yahh” by Soulja Boy, or read the lyrics to “Crank Dat Soulja Boy”? Or heard his version of “Throw Some D’s”? I was still around Howard when he started to become popular, so sadly, I am more knowledgeable about him than I would like to be. He is an ignorant little fuck. We are the decendants of Marvin Gaye and Gil Scott Heron, and our kids (and adults) are running around talking about “Nowwameyuuuullle….crank dat Soulja Boy and superman that hoe”. He sounds like a slave. If being too good for that coonishness makes me bougie, then I’ll BE that!

30 06 2008
ayo

Kris Kross, Another Bad Creation, Subway, Soul for Real….
and then they reminisce over you….

30 06 2008
Monie

Yep, encouraging men/ boys to ejaculate on the backs of women/ girls and then putting a sheet on their back, which sticks because of the ejaculate, is definitely reminds me of the “more playful facet of the Punk movement.”

30 06 2008
Knatural

*Jen is starting to get on my nerves*

30 06 2008
Omar

ST – Thank you, Lil Mama is the only young rapper talking about stuff that is appropriate for people her age to talk about and stuff that she knows about like lip gloss and dancing. She is being herself in a world full of fake shit.

30 06 2008
Merri Lee

ayo – I loved Subway!! And Hi-Five was off the chain.

30 06 2008
Monie

Jen,

Obviously you only want to defend your inane point, that Soulja Boy in not a minstrel. Common sense would or should dictate that someone who talks about superman dat hoe is a minstrel in the truest sense.

30 06 2008
Sister Toldja

Jen- all teens curse. But there is a difference between “Omg, Mr. Smith’s test was some bullshit! I fucking failed!” and the stuff Soulja Boy talks about.

30 06 2008
Ethel

I appreciate this blog, especially the calling out of the barn image in Rap video’s. I thought somehow it was CODE for something and I didn’t get it because I’m old.

I do however, disagree with the comment that Whitney Houston CAN sing. I think we have a verbal tense mistake here. Whitney Houston COULD sing. In the past. I think she’s past the point of no return [sadly] and I will eventually have to wear out and re-purchase ‘The Bodyguard’ soundtrack and accept it.

P.S.: What the heck is a mack daddy?

30 06 2008
ayo

@ ST:
Dont think your comment – Nas has a bookshelf of Franz Fanon – went unnoticed. Why do you dislike Nas? just wondering? Lil Mama and em are out of my realm of comprehension…

30 06 2008
aceklub

@ Monie
I never said Soulja Boy was a genius. However, the way that he has utilized the internet to promote his music, regardless of how trash the song is, is something that not many people, with years in the industry, were able to do.

As with artists, drug dealers, etc…there is a beginning to this. Meaning…How many young kids grow up and dream about “I wish I can be a drug dealer when I grow up” I would guess not 1 person so thus there are outside factors that end up leading these young kids to grow up and choose that as their calling. Kids learn real quick that their years of dreaming evaporates real quick and reality kicks in and shows them that shyt is rough in the hood and if they want to way to get out, those negatives options become more appealing as that quick fix. Education doesn’t become that appealing anymore when the young dude from around the way has rubberbands stacked w/ bills flashing in your face. So, if that kid doesn’t have those positive reinforcements to continue to emphasize that going the drug route is a bad idea, then the drug, rap, sports, or anything else we deem as negative becomes the choice.

To me, it is the same thing as white folks (Republicans) from the suburbs who like to think that everything is the same for white and black folks in regards to education or getting rid of affirmative action but simply ignore the fact that they have all the resources. Of course, you can get good grades and good SAT scores if you paid for those advantages.

30 06 2008
Monie

Whatever happened to Tevin Campbell? Does anyone know. I love the song Can We Talk.

30 06 2008
Jen

ST, the problem began when you tried to place Soulja Boy in the same category as a Gil Scott Heron.

Perspective is key.

When you equate a kid making party music for other kids to something as malicious as a minstrel show or hold him to the same standard as you hold one of the greatest American musicians of all time, perspective is gone.

Monie, I am curious…where did you grow up?

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

Tevin Campbell is currently in the play “Hairspray” in NYC.

30 06 2008
TheChad

@Amadeo:

Why is it that when people start making money for what they are doing, all of a sudden they did it JUST so they could make money?

Soulja Boy, Yung Joc, Lil’ (fill in the blank), did the SAME shit when they were underground and broke. Yung Joc’s ENTIRE first album was only REreleased when he signed with Bad Boy. Same thing goes for Young Dro and Jeezy. They didn’t change their styles up when they signed contracts so we can’t say they aren’t being true to themselves. Someone just noticed their popularity and cashed in on it.

And I grew up in the 80’s and 90’s listening to Uncle Luke, Puffy and Mase, Snoop Doggy Dogg and Dr. Dre. The cats that made A LOT of money (more than a decent job) while not saying much in the way of positivity. I’m a huge Biggie fan… but not because he was a positive black role model. When I was a kid i learned how to curse and talk shit, and i learned drug terminology and sexual references from listening to the SAME 90’s rap that yall revere so…

30 06 2008
Knatural

Tevin Campbell had some kind of sex scandal, came out, and started dating Rahsaan Patterson…

30 06 2008
Bailey Blues

@ Ayo – Soul for Real was the truth!!!

30 06 2008
Esquire

I saw a pic of good ol Tevin. He looked like someone’s old uncle…who just aint right. You know, the one on drugs who stares at the little girls at the family reunion.

I was shocked when I found out what Superman that hoe meant. How did he even come UP with that.

30 06 2008
Bailey Blues

I loved break it down by Tevin Campbell…that song was too grown too.

30 06 2008
Bailey Blues

Yeah, the meaning of superman is ridiculous. What idiot would let these things happen? I think Spiderman really threw me…WTF???

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

Damn! I knew he was gay, but I didn’t know he was dating Rahsaan.

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

Wasn’t “Superman That Ho” a term before Soulja Boy popularized it?

If I hear a song about a “Strawberry Shortcake” or a “Cleveland Steamer”, I’m going to have to start listening to country music…

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

I was so sad when Tevin Campbell came out. I had such a crush on him since Round and Round

30 06 2008
Omar

Having common sense is not bougie, neither is knowing how to talk to or about women. Honestly, when I was younger, it was more the guys from the suburbs that went overboard with the profanity and vulgarity trying to prove themselves to guys from the city who didn’t have anything to prove.

30 06 2008
ayo

@ Bailey: “Myyyy love, do you ever dreeeeam of Candy Coated Raaaain Drops…” (now that is some age appropriate for that azz!)

@ Knatrual…. TEVIN CAMPBELL DATED RASHAAN PATTERSON???????

@ Rev… Not Hairspray…? (how do yall know this stuff?)

@The Chad… I learned “CASH rules everything around me CREAM get the money, dolla dolla bills yall” from the WU.

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ Angry…sorry to be a hater and all but Ice T left all credibility when he married pwt and then did that stupid wanna be a rapper show on VH1. Anybody who is sharing a time slot with Flava-Flav on the Viacom network that is considered “reality” has been ousted from the black community, in my opion.

And for the record, there is a difference between n*ggas and blacks…and I can tell you that the majority of the mainstream rappers have crossed the line and been ousted from being considered black.

*waits to get pounced on*

by the way, @ Wargod…thanks! Same to Tomato…

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

And ABC was my favorite boy band as a munchkin. I kick my beats at the playground, you know. plaaaaayground

30 06 2008
Esquire

Rev…
As I am 30, I dont know those terms! Define!!! I want to know

30 06 2008
Jen

Okay, this is getting out of hand.

I joked about “introducing supermanning hos” earlier because I thought that it was common knowledge that the alleged sexual connotations of the phrase are nothing more than an urban legend.

I would THINK that it would be obvious that nothing short than a drunken douchebag of a white frat boy could think of something so atrocious. That doesn’t even SOUND like Black humor.

30 06 2008
puff

@ ST – i love you, but leave my boy nas be. however, insult david banner at your leisure (i will sidenote that he is strangely sexy, but that’s for another day)

what i hate even more about soulja boy is the fact that every motherfucker jewish through asian hopped on that shit like, “hey! we get hip hop too! let’s just do this coon dance and we’re also cool/black by association!” i will say this once and for all, the motherland rejects and disowns soulja boy. except for these fools: http://youtube.com/watch?v=wxfEC6RfueE

30 06 2008
Monie

Aceklub,

“To me, it is the same thing as white folks (Republicans) from the suburbs who like to think that everything is the same for white and black folks in regards to education or getting rid of affirmative action but simply ignore the fact that they have all the resources. Of course, you can get good grades and good SAT scores if you paid for those advantages.”

I agree that it’s diffucult for kids from most poor urban areas. But I don’t think that rationalizing criminal/ minstrel behavior is really necessary at this point.

We have been explaining why kids deal drugs, etc., for a long time now. What we need to do is move beyond the “it’s hard out there for a pimp” mentality and creates more ways for kids to be exposed to success not derived from drug dealing, being a minstrel, etc.

This takes us back to the BET/ TV ONE discussion. We, Black people, need our own media outlets. We need to make our own films and programme our own radio stations. The White media has been playing the ‘be a pimp/ drug dealer’ song/ movie since there was media in this country.

30 06 2008
Merri Lee

@ Monie – where ya been? That was ’95 or so. Tevin was arrested by a male undercover cop posing as a prostitute. The kicker is, Tevin offered to pay to blow the cop’s horn, not the other way around. He did some interview in SiS where he came out as tri-sexual. I don’t want to know what that means.

But I loved me some Tevin back in the day. I wonder if Prince still hollas (that was wrong)

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

@ Esquire:

Those terms have really X-Rated meanings, and I assume you’re at work like I am, so I ain’t trying to get me or anyone else in trouble. LOL. But if you go to Urban Dictionary on your Blackberry (or wait till you get home), you’ll see the horrific definitions.

Body fluids, functions, etc…

30 06 2008
Omar

@ayo & Bailey – I still got Soul for Real songs on my Ipod.

WHo used to sing ‘blackberry molasses’? Didn’t one of those guys go solo and was with Ludacris for a while?

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

I dreamt of candy coated raindrops

30 06 2008
Merri Lee

…I bet Tevin could make a comeback by reading this, especially by talking to author #2 😀

30 06 2008
Knatural

I’m so glad I’m getting older and don’t have to keep up with the foolishness that is Hip-Hop (in it’s current state), these stupid dances, stupid ass slang, I’m done…

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

sorry i swing my beat at the playground

30 06 2008
ayo

@ chaotic…
yeah they act like niggas on video sets and music channel couches and go home and act like black folks in the burbs with Farnsworth(sp). Bently and such.

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

@ Merri Lee:

He says he is “Tri-sexual” as in, “he tries anything”.

30 06 2008
Esquire

Merri Lee,
Me and Monie been under the sam rock. Damn Tevin. I used to want him to sing at my wedding. Well, be in my wedding. As the groom.

Monie, I love your “its hard out there for a pimp” description. dead on.

y’all I really must bill some hours today. lol

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

@Omar

That was Mista that sang “Blackberry Molasses”. Bobby Valentino was the one that became a solo act years later.

30 06 2008
Monie

@Jen – I grew up in N.Y. Why?

Knatural – Tevin and Rahsaan Patterson?? What? Lol

30 06 2008
Bailey Blues

“And for the record, there is a difference between n*ggas and blacks…”

Chris, when is the post “SBPH…n*ggas” coming?

30 06 2008
puff

@ merri-lee

where in the fruity pick dictionary did tevin find tri-sexual?

i hate that i’m too young to have heard all that good 80s shit except through what my sisters told me. i’m a 90s child for sure.

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

Well, I guess the best we as a people can do right now is get Tyler Perry to start a network…

*runs*

30 06 2008
Amadeo

@ aceklub

“How many young kids grow up and dream about “I wish I can be a drug dealer when I grow up”

Um…as someone who works with people 16 – 21 and up…I’d say alot of them.

We wanted big chains and all that…but most of the cats I know got jobs at McDonalds to get them. Now a majority of kids either aren’t trying to work or they make an attempt but can’t keep a job cause they refuse to compromise anything. It’s one thing to stand on principle…it’s another to just be an asshole and refuse to adapt at all. What’s worse is most of these kids won’t even follow through on an independent venture. They’d give up on something that yields some fruit because it didn’t fulfill all of their dreams right away. That’s the problem with this music…instant gratification. Mind you the music you listen to isn’t the sole factor…but most artists are pushing a fucking fantasy like it’s real life. Remember EPMD’s Crossover…
“Rappers been around long, makin mad noise you see
Still I haven’t seen one rapper livin comfortably”

Nowadays being a thug is crossing over. Because it’s producing something because it sells. I remember when hardcore meant you probably wouldn’t make money and if you talked a big game and had no past…someone would call you on it. Now anyone can step up and if they allow the corporate formula time they will sell. Kids buy into it cause they see it’s big so it must be the best that’s out…it’s on the radio…meanwhile I remember when a Dj would look to find the new style and wanted be the first to play something different. Then the people would judge…now the station is judging and the people mostly accept. So the youth accept that as reality. Battles ain’t even battles no more…just I have more guns and money shouting matches. As a youth I absorbed music…but there was so much variety I got to make choices. You could see a Kid n Play video and then a joint by NWA. Now…same crap over and over. That’s what kids are absorbing. The ones that aren’t feeling are having to search to find something different.

30 06 2008
Monie

Merri Lee,

OMG!! Esquire is right, I must have been under a rock! Lol I never heard about him being arrested.

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ the Tevin comments….

I don’t care if he’s gay…I still LOVE me some Tevin!!!

And of course, my little ass was into Kriss Kross…yum.

And who could forget about Immature…you know, from back in the day when they had the little asian boy / brandy in the group? I never liked Batman, I was always into Romeo because of the red head thing (I was a natural born redhead).

Tony Thompson (RIP) was my boo too…hooray for Hi Five. By the way, did anybody hear the awful remake from like last year of “The Kissing Game”?

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

Adding: Yeah, i know there are a lot of black folks out there that can’t STAND Tyler Perry. I admit, even though I find a lot of his work preachy, mawkish and maudlin and some of it can be buffoonish, I can’t knock the man’s hustle. He started from nothing and now has a multi-million dollar empire creating generally positive, uplifting movies. And he keeps certain black actors/actresses employed.

30 06 2008
Omar

Why do a bunch of them swear “they don’t dance” but are always doing a stupid-ass dance?

Jen – black people can think of nasty shit too (see tip drill video). There are too many references to masturbating on people in that song “superman”, “roosevelt”, “crank dat” etc… If that isn’t what superman means please enlighten us all.

Soulja boy may not be comparable to Gil Scott Heron but he is comparable to people like LL cool J who got a deal at 17 but was more talented and was neither vulgar nor embarrassing.

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

Oh, and two words: New Edition. They weren’t as hot to me (see: Bobby Brown’s Jacked up grill, rumors of fine ass Johnny Gill being gay)…but man!

(I had alot of older cousins I spent time around.

The 90’s was great for music.

Who remembers H-Town?

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ Omar…I swear that everybody should see Daddy’s Little Girls…they’ll change their minds on Tyler Perry…

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

Oh yeah, I remember Immature. All these stories about their manager Chris Stokes being a Chester and rumors about how him and Marques Houston are really romantic partners are going to make for one fucked up made-for-tv movie one day…

30 06 2008
TheChad

Omar – It was a group called Mista. Bobby Valentino was part of it and years later he was solo with Ludacris’ label (still is).

WillNot- My favorite line “have you ever loved someone so much you thought you’d DIE?” Thats kinda heavy for like 12 yr olds ain’t it? lol but it was still the joint.

I was listening to Kid N Play this weekend and those guys could NOT rap a lick…. but it was fun and somewhat innocent.

Jen,

I’m gonna step out on a limb and agree PARTLY with your argument. Soulja Boy may represent what is current lingo and behavior for teens…. but that doesn’t mean we should support making that so easily accessible. My parents made the effort to hide that stuff from me when I was growing up until i was old enough to UNDERSTAND the difference between entertainment and reality. I know you get it… but its dangerous to assume most KIDS do.. if they did, i don’t think they’d try to imitate it so much. I would never give my money to anything soulja boy-related, but that doesn’t make me bougie. We all just gotta look at it from the other side. Kids will eat what you fee em. Like i said.. its either gonna be food or liquor.

30 06 2008
ayo

@ Amadeo…
I work with kids in the same age group as you. When we ask them to write a paragraph..or read a book, they cannot or have no interest. But, they will debate who is a better rapper for HOURS on end, citing lyrics, videos, underground albums, etc.. I actually had to send some kids home because they were about to fight over the merrits of Lil Wayne over Jay-Z. “Im the best rapper alive, since the best rapper retired’ lyric sparked this debate.

30 06 2008
puff

@ rev

i feel you on the tyler perry thing. madea is a travesty, but why did i get married was actually decent *ducks*

30 06 2008
Monie

I really, really hate (fake girlfriend having) Tyler Perry. When all those little church ladies find out that their precious Tyler is gay they are gonna have a fit! Lol

30 06 2008
klysha

Perspective! That is the word for the day! Put this stuff in perspective. Soulja Boy and the Roots are not even in the same category. They’re not even making the same kind of music really. Therefore one shouldn’t have any effect on the other. Why get mad at music that isn’t being made for you anyway. If you don’t like it don’t buy it or support it. The mainstream music of today sucks to me. But the music of my day sucked to my parents. That’s just the way it goes.

30 06 2008
Bassey

RE: Tevin
I met Tevin when I was 15. He was a guest on Teen Summit right when “I’m ready” dropped. I was sooooo excited. The entire cast and crew knew that I was in love with him so they had me do the main interview. They also had him sit on the stage with the posse. And I was chosen to present his birthday cake on stage. Man, you’d have thought I’d died and gone to Word UP Heaven!
Every Thursday we have the posse meeting and then we get together early Saturday before taping. Tevin didn’t show up until Saturday and when he walked in, I swore I heard angels singing in the distance. It was heaven. Everyone introduced themselves and I hung back just wanting to not be the nerd I was and trip on him or anything. Finally, he got to me and I said, “hi….” and he said, “hey… I’m Teeeeevin.” I was like, “um.. what not?” He said “man, it is hot in here! Can I get some wattteeerrrrr.” HUH??? I was 15 and sheltered. I hadn’t even had my first kiss yet. I had no concept of gay but I knew Tevin was that. Ruined my whole life…

Not really. But it did.

30 06 2008
Bailey Blues

LOL @ Monie. Sister Toldja and I watched Why Did I get Married last night with our fabulous friend, his mother and her friend. We told them that Tyler Perry was gay, the friend looked like she was bout to drop a tear lol!

30 06 2008
Amadeo

@ The Chad

All of these new cats are doing it with an explicit intention to make money…they haven’t changed. Puffy is on that train too. Snoop was in a common theme, but he had his own style…he still rides the fence and I have no particular urge to defend him.

The difference is people are approaching from the jump with a business mind set. The music industry is a business…but music is an art. Most cats have lost the art. Just like these local no name cats who come up and have a 2 disc CD before they’ve even put on a show. They have no presence, no real talent…bet they’re trying to cash in.

To be honest, as good as he is, Jay-Z is the worst one because he basically spelled it out. It’s one thing when labels try to pimp the art, it’s another when the artists pimp it. Now very few are doing it for the sake of the art at ground zero. That’s why wack cat B can sound like wack A and it’s not as big a deal as it used to be.

Wu-Tang had a good business model…but they were different from anything else. How many people are really striving for that originality as opposed to striving for sales?

30 06 2008
Omar

There were a whole lot of rappers who got deals when they were young but they didn’t act like this.

Tupac – 19
Fresh Prince – 18
LL Cool J – 17
KRS-One – 18 or 19
Kid and Play – not sure but young
Kriss Kross – both about 16
EPMD – both about 18

the list goes one…

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ Monie…kind of wrong to say you can’t stand someone because he’s gay. Yea its wrong to lie, but his bedroom is his bedroom and that’s none of our business (unless someone’s trying to tap/date/marry/etc..)

30 06 2008
puff

@ bassey “hey… I’m Teeeeevin”

aaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahaha *dying dying dying*

30 06 2008
ayo

I saw TuPac in concert with the Zulu Nation. African Garb and all before he went solo. It was at a concert with Public Enemy and Digital Underground. One of the best concerts I have ever seen in my life. AND it was all little kids there. And it was appropriate. Nobody got supermaned… we did the humpty dance.

30 06 2008
Omar

Klysha – that is like saying don’t get mad is ‘rat poison’ soda is being made for the kids who live in the south just because you live in the north.

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ Omar

Kriss Kross was 13!!!! I remember…I was sooo in love with them when I first saw them on tgif!!!

30 06 2008
Monie

Lol@Bailey Blues

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

@ Monie:

LOL…I refer to him as “Sister Perry”.

I got the ‘blessing out’ of my life from one saved woman for even implying that TP was gay. They really think they’re going to marry that dude for real. Hell, I thought my grandma was going to beat my mom because she made a joke about Tyler being gay in front of her.

Tyler Perry’s movies have improved over time. “Why Did I get Married” was MILES better than “Diary of a Mad Black Woman”. He’s learning to get away from the “everything but the kitchen sink” approach to directing movies…

“House of Payne” on the other hand needs to die a slow death.

30 06 2008
Knatural

Rat Poison soda? Sounds extra-fizzy.

30 06 2008
puff

@ omar

you’re right about those rappers, but none of them were signed by fucking mr collipark aka beatz-n-azz, who is responsible for such talents as the ying yang twins. eugh eugh eugh

30 06 2008
Knatural

Yeah, Kriss Kross was 13. It was the first concert I ever went to, and yes…I wore my pants backwards.

30 06 2008
Rev Leon Lonnie Luv

*quick death…

30 06 2008
Jen

The Madea character makes me grin sometimes (something about a big ass, moustached, Black man dressed as an old southern lady threatening to beat somebody’s behind).

HOWEVER…I, too, hate Tyler Perry’s movies and chit’lin circuit productions.

That is because they, unlike Soulja Boy’s music, are made for people in my demographic and are supposed to suit my tastes and YET are terribly written and acted. The first time I saw his “work”, I was on a bus attending some church function I had been tricked into supporting. I was shocked at how awful it all was.

30 06 2008
Monie

ChaoticDiva,

Where was it that I said I hated Tyler Perry becasue he’s gay? I hate Tyler Perry becasue he mocks Black women in his Madea movies.

I could care less if he’s gay, other than, his hiding it plays into the gay is wrong thing. If he’s gay he ought to be who he is. That’s why there is so much homophobia, because people who are respected in some parts of the Black community hide.

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Monie didn’t say she hated him b.c. he was gay. She just brought up the gay when she said she hated him. Which was probably unnecessary but whatever. He does pander to the jesus is my homie crowd who have a tendency to be the same crowd that thinks you can pray off the gay. So mebbe it was related. Fake girlfriend having would be a problem to me too. But thats only for the effort you go through to lie to people. You could just keep your mouth shut and tell them to fuck off. Luther had the same rumors, so does Queen and I don’t think it stopped their popularity, true or not. No confirmation and no denial would be a fine route in my book.

30 06 2008
Lola

The dude’s belt in figure 3 says RAPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That alone should say volumes about people retardedness in buying his crap and supporting him.

30 06 2008
aceklub

@ monie
I agree…we need to have more control over our community and images. Mainstream loves using our images, languages and etc. to give them a sense of cool but we need to take ownership of our media and keep things in house.

@amadeo
Well, if you are asking someone who is 12-15 years old, then they are already exposed to the negativity. I am talking about the little pre-K, 4-5 years old kids who are still told to dream big, etc. If kids that age are thinking I want to be the next Drug Dealer then that needs to be addressed ASAP.

30 06 2008
Merri Lee

Man, you’d have thought I’d died and gone to Word UP Heaven!

Word UP Heaven? LOL!

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ Rev…yea, I can’t stand house of payne. Theater actors tend to overact for sitcoms….to say the least.

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

meh, i think the homophobia in the black community would kill a lot of respected famous black people’s careers. I also think that’s very sad. Unfortunately the black community has only reached the don’t ask don’t tell stage in its gay relations. I wonder who could be a barrier breaker if anyone can at all.

30 06 2008
Lola

OK OK … so it says BAPE…it’s close enough!!!!!!!!!! I know he meant to spell it RAPE but the dude has spelling issues.

30 06 2008
Knatural

AAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH @”He does pander to the jesus is my homie crowd who have a tendency to be the same crowd that thinks you can pray off the gay…”
By-the-way: Is anyone else sick of “Jesus Emails”? You know what I mean if you get/send them.
And everybody is rumored to be gay – Alicia Keys, Ne-Yo, Lil Wayne.

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ monie/Wnbt…sorry, I misread monie’s statement…reading, eating, and dealing with the absopure man all at the same time…yes, my bourgeois ass has water delivered to me.

30 06 2008
Bailey Blues

i’m pretty sure his belt says “BAPE” which is a clothing line…I still hate Lil Wayne!

30 06 2008
Monie

willnotbetelevised,

I think if a bunch of Black celebs, who are gay, came out all at once they would survive. There is safety in numbers.

30 06 2008
Yonnie3k

I hate my job. But I want to leave on my own as opposed to being asked to leave. That’s why last night I prayed that I’d be able to focus on work today instead of reading this blog and searching for my dream job online. Why’d I have to decide to do that when the topic was going to be something so near and dear to my heart? I can’t read through these 375+ comments. But I will add this to the conversation: Fuck Lil Wayne’s gremlin lookin’ ass. I hope he OD’s. Fuck Frank Ski’s ole misinformation giving Doo Doo Brown ass. Fuck Black Entertainment Tragedy for not doing a damn thing to change the culture of consumerism and mediocrity that is our black youth. Fuck Bob Johnson just in case it hasn’t been said today (though I’m sure it has). Thank goodness that 3000 is rappin’ again (albeit as a featured artist on albums with so-called artists that are way beneath him).

And for the girl that loves Tevin Campbell – How ya like him now? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v197/tinker2/oldstars.jpg

30 06 2008
Monie

Knatural,

I hope Alicia is gay!!! Lol She’s my fantasy lesbian lover. And that’s all I’m going to say about that! 🙂

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ the gay barrier breakers comment…I think if anybody would be the bridge, it would have to be Wayne. Crazy how little kids worship him. But hey, its going to take the most notorious figure who has the most support to say something about it.

To be real, if Common said something like “Yea, I have no problem with gays”, the first response would be “Man, that dude is gay!”. But if Wayne were to say it, most people would be like “I knew he was gay, but I still like his music, so its cool”.

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

…that or an old school super respected rapper should do it. Like Rev Run.

30 06 2008
klysha

Another point I’d like to make is that sexually charged inappropriate lyrics are not new. I’m not saying they are a good thing because now that I’m older I find the lyrics distasteful. But Pop That Coochie was the edited version of Pop that Pu$$y and that came out in what 1990. And there were numerous other artists making innapropriate stuff back in the day….And don’t you think our parents were singing the same tune that you all are singing now…. But the post was about music videos which I am no longer an expert on since I haven’t watched MTV or BET in years. But the few videos I have seen definitely fit the mold of using the same overdone stereotypical scenes and elements….the video has deteriorated to a new low…but hey maybe times are a changing….sometimes things have to get really bad before anyone steps up and tries to make things better.

30 06 2008
puff

@ monie – i don’t know if you meant your “safety in numbers” comment to be funny, but i’m laughing my stupid ass off anyway

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Ewg cousin, i refuse to believe any of those people in that picture was once my future husband when i was in middle school.

Also was speaking to my daddy this weekend. Ferbie? ring a bell? Man I thought Bunny was bad. And neptune. Although I kinda want to name my future son Neptune or some other planet/greek deity

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ Yonnie…I’ve seen his nowadays photos. He’s been doing Hairspray on Broadway. Seriously, no homophobe here.

But you know who really made me cry when I found out he was gay? Karamo from the real world. It was back when the Real World was actually good to watch…That boy was FINE though.

Sorry..I like em brown.

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

…but Tevin ain’t cute no more…I will admit.

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

…I wonder what the girls from the early 80’s are thinking about their future husband Michael Jackson? Somewhat synonymous with the Tevin transformation, but much more on a drastic scale.

30 06 2008
Knatural

Damn Yonnie. Everyone in that pic looked like they’re on methadone. Was it just bad lighting? Damn…

30 06 2008
puff

—> sidenote about the gay thing:

i dunno if anyone watched the documentary beyond beats and rhymes, but i thought it was interesting that when discussing homophobia in hip hop culture, although there was plenty of discussion about the whole “not wanting to seem like a p*ssy” aspect (not my views, btw, i loves the gays) but not much on religion. a lot of the anti-gay people i know seem to cite their religion/upbringing as a justification for their views. maybe it’s just an excuse, i dunno…

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

I want to give my children all ridiculously strong names anyway. Nebuchanezzer! Stop running in and out of this house. Shadrach! I done told you to quit playinon those stairs. Daniel Isaac Henry Abraham, don’t make me come over there. Cosmo and Magno, stop playin and finish your homework. Maria Contessa, don’t feed that dog no more marshmellows. Shango Neptune Seun, you just wait till your father comes home. Najuan! Najuan damnit I’m gonna beat your ass.

Yes if you name all your children these names you will constantly be yelling at them.

30 06 2008
Monie

ChaoticDiva,

I think Kanye West already did an interview and said he had no problem with gay people and spoke out against homophobia in hip hop. I don’t know if it had any effect.

Also isn’t Lil Wayne hooked on “that syrup”?

@Puff – No, I really meant that there is saftey in numbers. If a few came out at once then the focus would be on homophobia in the Black community rather than if just one came out then the focus would be on that one person. But I’m glad I could supply a little levity for you. Lol

30 06 2008
puff

@ yonnie – tell me tevin is not the motherfucker in the middle… GODDAMN he’s three minutes from being tyrone biggums…

30 06 2008
puff

@ monie

my silliness aside, i think that’s a good point though. what about this book that’s supposedly outing half of hip-hop/r’n’b?

30 06 2008
Monie

willnotbetelevised,

“Yes if you name all your children these names you will constantly be yelling at them.”

…and when they grow-up all of their resumes will end up in the trash. Lol

30 06 2008
Monie

Puff,

From what I’ve heard the book doesn’t name any names. It just gives hints. I don’t think that kind of (Superhead) jounalism is helpful.

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

kanye did come out and say how he got over his homophobia when he found out his cousin was gay. But it didn’t make a big difference anywhere. He didn’t lead a big movement about it. Meh I get so annoyed at the attitude toward gay people and domestic violence in the black community it makes me wanna leave some days. And yes religion is an excuse.

And wayne has come out and said he’s hooked on syrup, that other people quitting or dying wont effect him, and its a problem but not a real problem enough that he has to address it. also he said he’ll stop when he feels like stopping his addiction, however thats not now and it just makes him a member of the league of artists who also suffered addiction.

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

You wouldn’t hire Nebuchannezzer Jones? 😉

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Cosmo would get hired b.c. they’d think he was jewish. 🙂

30 06 2008
puff

@ monie

yh i wanna know how much ol boy is getting paid for that ish… probably doesn’t give names cos he’s not trying to get killed.

p.s. what’s up with amy crackhouse calling kanye west a c*nt? am i wrong for finding that hysterical?

30 06 2008
Bailey Blues

@ Puff – I thought it was funny, but she seriously needs help. Did you see her punch that fan in the crowd? And she sounds horrible!

30 06 2008
Merri Lee

puff (18:28:56) :

@ monie

my silliness aside, i think that’s a good point though. what about this book that’s supposedly outing half of hip-hop/r’n’b?

The book is pointless. I read some excerpts of it. It has detailed stories – but names no names. WTF??

30 06 2008
Monie

Amy Winehouse is really messing up my IPOD rotation. I wish she would keep her mouth shut! Now when I hear her music I justthink about seeing that video of her reciting that racist rhyme. And now the Kanye West is a c**t thing.

Shut up AMY!!!!

30 06 2008
Amadeo

@ aceklub

When you consider who kids start to look to once they leave the house and start attending a school…it does need to be addressed now. When I was young before guns. We knew we were “little boys” and even though we admired them we didn’t get to interact with the “big boys” as much. Infact if they were doing something stupid they wouldn’t let us be around, just like they wouldn’t let us suffer at the hands of another “big boy”. I don’t see that as much now. Especially since you don’t get time for holding when you’re under a certain age. I just went through a program with middle schoolers and while they weren’t horrible, I could see it popping up more then I used to. Plus (I think most people from the innercity would agree) even when we listened to NWA and what not…we knew everyone around the way was not hardcore…there were usually a few hardcore cats (often their parents didn’t look after them as much) but we knew other personalities…the ladies man, the dude that knows all the dances, the athelete, the smart kid, the one with the newest clothes, etc. Now I don’t see the variety in music and I don’t see the variety in what kids are trying to be. I think we had a lot more gray areas then they do now.

@Klysha

We had inappropriate stuff…but not as much and nowhere near as much access. When Luke got pulled I didn’t have a way to see the video unless someone taped it. Now you can not only see any video on the net…but you can see any sick thing that goes way beyond late night cinemax or playboy at your friend “who’s parents are always leaving home”. It’s especially worse cause no one wants anyone to say something to their child. When I was little any parent around could discipline us and bring us home and tell our mama….now parents wont’ say anything to kids or each other cause you don’t know who’s going to take it what way.

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ Puff…Tevin is the one on the side…

30 06 2008
Monie

Merri Lee,

It is pointless. I suppose we are supposed to guess who he’s talking about?

30 06 2008
Knatural

Puff – dude in the middle is from Jodeci

30 06 2008

fuck! 422 comments?

Where the hell have I been?

30 06 2008
ayo

dude on the left is Al B. Sure….?

30 06 2008
Monie

Oh my..is that Al B Sure! on the left?! He needs to stay on the radio.

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Amadeo, you know i refuse to read any of your comments because they are all too long. throw a short one in there once in awhile.

30 06 2008
Amadeo

Short one.

30 06 2008
B4Prez

I haven’t watched videos in forever. Why bother? Plain and simple, if u grew up on 90’s music, it’s curtains for you! But I guess it’s what happens to every generation. Shalamar and The Sugarhill Gang had to wrap it up at some point, just like the Temptations, and just like Wu Tang.

As for Beyonce, I gotta go against you Chris and say that she CAN sing. She is a packaged machine (complete with pre-written lines, and other pageant garbage), but I’d have to say while she’s no Whity Hutton, her voice ain’t too shabby.

30 06 2008
Monie

Lol@Whity Hutton

30 06 2008
klysha

I will agree with you Amadeo on the point about access. We definitely didn’t have the kind of access to videos that kids today have. It’s still a bit of a mystery to me how I heard all the unedited version of the songs from back in the day considering how sheltered my rearing was. I guess I heard them when I was with my friends.

30 06 2008
msdej

hip hop and rap today are the new “the man.” sorry to say it but its not holding anybody down. lil wayne isn’t holding anybody down. souljah boy isn’t holding anybody down. people hold themselves down as individuals. so whether you like them or not i am sorry to have to tell you that none of them are the boogeyman (even if they look like it). the real problem is that as a people we aren’t stepping up as role models. instead of kids looking up to their mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles, and other people that are relevant in their lives the job is being handed off to whoever sells the most cds in a week and gets the most views on youtube. and im sick of black people living their lives based on what white people are going to think. it’s okay, massa isn’t going to come out with his whip and start cracking backs kunta kinta style. so even though i think a good majority of rap music out now is garbage i can appreciate the fact that these people are who they are and really don’t care what you think. the problems in the black community aren’t caused by rappers. they just make us face a lot of the issues that we as black people like to sweep under the carpet and ignore.

30 06 2008
Amadeo

Ummm….None of these cats are making us “face” issues. They suck and they are an issue.

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

thank you

30 06 2008
B4Prez

@msdej – Everyone understands that it’s the parents’ job to be the role models, but the bottom line is that they aren’t. This isn’t Rudy Huxtable looking up to Hurricane Chris and Souljah Boy, instead of her Dr. and lawyer parents, it’s mostly the kids who’s moms are either working 3 jobs and can’t monitor them, or the kid who doesn’t know his father and who’s mother is busy running the street (probably a Souljah Boy fan herself).

These ‘musicians’, reality ‘stars’ and other ‘celebs’ who these kids look up to, typically only have so much influence because these kids, unlike Rudy Huxtable (who did ballet, piano, and everything else in her spare time), don’t have anything to do after school but watch videos ALL DAY.

30 06 2008
Amadeo

@ willnotbetelevised
I’m an only child…I can’t afford to be ignored.

30 06 2008
Knatural

Msdej – Cause and perpetuation are different. We know Lil Wayne and et al. aren’t the cause, but they are scratching the rashes, making them worse. Sure, corporations are to blame, but individual artists have a responsibility as well, to no be so damn greedy.

30 06 2008
Knatural

“Lil Wayne and et al.” – forget the ‘and’

30 06 2008
B4Prez

And yea, ppl hate these ‘artists’ because they suck! Eventho, ‘Superman’ did have me doin a 2-step when no one was watching, lol. But his 14:59 is up.

30 06 2008
B4Prez

I’m just tired of these artists coming out with a new ‘high-end’ line of everything from clothes to furniture, when the target consumer they peddle to is the young black kid. I understand them trying to get the financial come-up, but it’s ridiculous when all of the things they peddle are in Paris Hilton’s affordability range. SMH

30 06 2008
Sister Toldja

Jen, I agree with a lot of stuff you say, but you are coming off like a pretentious asshole today. I didn’t compare Soulja Boy to Gil Scott Heron. I stated that he is his decendant in the musical traditon. Meaning that Black music has gone from “Peace Go With You, Brother” to “Yahh Bitch Yahh”. And I would think that someone who has such a critical eye when it comes to things surrounding our people (i.e. your hesitiation in supporting Obama) would examine the music that our children support a little bit more cautiously.

You refer to minstrel shows as malcious, but you forget that there were Black performers who did minstrel shows (some even in blackface). Soulja Boy, along with Flav and even 50 Cent, are the modern minstrelsy: playing on Black stereotypes for the amusement of Whites, at the detriment of the global and internal indentity of Blacks. But while some of the Black original minstrels were aware of what they were doing for a buch, these new niggas don’t even see what they are representing.

I suggest you leave SBPH and spend a little time google-ing and youtube-ing Soulja Boy before you jump up to defend him.

ayo- In regards to me not liking Nas very much, it’s for the reasons I stated. He has a lot of misguided anger towards our elders, he doesn’t come off like someone who has done the research and learning it takes to be the speaker for the Black masses that he believes himself to be and he does dumb shit like going to award shows wearing a shirt that says “Nigger”, while having nothing intelligent to say when asked why. He has made some great music and I think there is a smart guy somewhere in him, but he needs to chill on the blunts and take sometime to chat with the Gill Scotts and the Cornell Wests, since he has the access, instead of running around sounding mad, high and inarticulate.

30 06 2008
Esquire

THATS the pic I saw with Tevin. Tell me he doesnt look “off”

Anywhoooo, has anyone heard about that guy who wrote a tell all book about homosexuality and hip hop??? He was saying there are more DL rappers than we know. He didnt name names but he described certain people.

Part of me is like…it aint my business, but the other part feels bad for the girlfriends/wives whose man is on the DL. I bet JaRule is on there.

30 06 2008
Knatural

Maybe Kelis ruined Nas…when in doubt, blame a woman.

30 06 2008
Esquire

http://music.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2279339,00.html

found an article.
back to work now

30 06 2008
TomatoHead

Wow…I go to sleep, wake up at the crack of noon and y’all have blown the place up. I’ll read the comments when I get to work. Shuffling through I see some good stuff. 😉

30 06 2008
Knatural

JaRule resembles a muskrat.

30 06 2008
B4Prez

As for that book, that guy is trying to get a superhead check. I’m sure theres nothing mind boggling in that book

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

…point is these younger parents are trying to be on their kids good side by letting them run rampant. Either that, or they’re trying to live their missed out childhood because of teenage pregnancies, etc. Hell, the rest of the parents just get lax with their younger children.

It is now time for them to step up to the plate. I don’t care how busy/tired/etc you’re feeling now…you should have thought about that before you decided to have kids/take the risk to have kids. I’m tired of parents using work as an excuse not to be a good parent. I can tell you that when I was younger, my parents worked alot, and I was at a private school during the day, then a lock and key program/babysitter during the evening. Even then, they made sure that whoever was caring for me knew what I could and couldn’t do, and they were under no circumstances to allow me to get any leeway on their rules. Even during the short spans of time we did spend together, they made sure they instilled a set of values in me. Granted, I became one of those “don’t touch me” kind of people later on due to lack of 24/7 parental nurturing, yet, I have no criminal record, I’m nearly finished with school, and I have my life together much more than the girl who I grew up with who was an only child who spent all of her time with her mother nurturing her. Her mother used to treat her more so like a friend and not a daughter, and well, she’s 22, fresh college graduate, and is too embarrased to show her face because she is pregnant, and will be living with her mother for the next year because she’s practically unemployable because of the child. And I can tell you, growing up, she was loose as hell…

My point is, parents need to step in and do their duty. Yea, as a freshman in high school, it totally sucked that I couldn’t listen to parental advisory…but now as an adult, I wouldn’t let any 14 year old around me listen to that stuff, even if they do with their parents. I’m glad of my strict upbringing. There is no excuse for these parents who let their kids raise themselves.

30 06 2008
Amadeo

I do have to say this in defense of Nas…”It was Written” was good album and it was intelligent…and people bitched cause he wasn’t on the exact same shit as his first album. I think the populace ruined Nas.

30 06 2008
Esquire

Sister T…wow. Just wow. We are indeed related in some fashion. But I figured that out months ago

30 06 2008
Knatural

AAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA @ Tomatohead’s avatar!

30 06 2008
B4Prez

lmao@ when in doubt…blame a woman

30 06 2008
puff

@ knat damn jodeci! what’s really hood? also on the ja rule tip… he always reminded me of the rat dad from stuart little… just me?

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ knatural…yea, if not, he’s somewhere in the rodent family…

30 06 2008
Esquire

I actually thought it looked like Fieval from ….whats that Disney movie about the Italian mice who move to America’s Wild Wild West….

An american tale? no?

30 06 2008
pixiegal262

Yes! It worked! Thank you WNTB for providing me with the perfect avatar

30 06 2008
TomatoHead

Wait shit…stupid thing signed me in with my email…

30 06 2008
TomatoHead

An American Tail: Fievel Goes West

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

did she change it?!! tomatohead i mean. I couldn’t see mine for 24 hrs..

we’re all one big family in here. Although some of ya’ll are the country cousins.

30 06 2008
Knatural

AHAHAHAHAAH They weren’t Italian. They were Russian, Jewish, too. Get it together Esquire, get it together.

30 06 2008
Knatural

Jen is the evil drunk auntie…

30 06 2008
B4Prez

When are ppl going to learn that when they’re on a mssg board talking about the solution (if it’s sensible and viable), their situation was 9/10 not adding to the problem? We can say parents need to do this and that, but the bottom line is that the problem kids (u remember them from grades k-12, right?) 9/10 didn’t have the best home lives. No one is saying the parent shouldn’t have done better, but the point is that they didn’t, and how do u get the problem child not to create the 5th generation of problem children? All I’m saying is that sitting at home watching 106+Park probably isn’t the way.

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

I look out for my gang

30 06 2008
TomatoHead

Hee hee, country cousins. yea. I can’t see it but Knat made a comment about how she could see it, so it must be there….at least to some folks 🙂

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Can I do my mentoring plug here? Get yo ass out of the office for 1 hour a week and help a little billy badass out?

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

you can even get paid to do it

30 06 2008
Omar

“To be real, if Common said something like “Yea, I have no problem with gays”, the first response would be “Man, that dude is gay!”.” – CD – this is because Common used to wear crochet pants, I’m a Common fan but he went through a weird gay-ish/baduism phase. (at least he recovered, poor Andre 3000…)

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

yea wait 24hrs. its like waking up on xmas morning.
Jen sounds like a pincher at a family reunion. And I dont mean just cheeks either. Glass of liquor in one hand, pinching people with them longass fake nails in the other.

Hey where’s habitual poolpisser today?

30 06 2008
puff

@ wnbt where’s the gig at?

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ B4Prez

I hear you. And to help combat the problem, this is what I did:

1. Closed my legs. No babies for moi.

2. Educated myself.

3. Set a good example for my little cousins who are (for the most part) college bound, in college, or in some kind of trade school.

4. Mentor. I’m currently mentoring my mom’s best friend’s daughter, who is like a sister to me and helping her do research on Journalism programs at different colleges. Currently, she is wanting to do a pre-college program at MSU, and hoping to find some kind of sponsorship.

5. Helping out in the community. I work at VS and I swear I get so many fast little girls that come in looking at thongs and makeup, and I usually redirect them to things in the store that are more age appropriate.

…I think I’m doing a helluva job, if I may say so myself. And I know there are other people out there doing it. So lets recruit some more people into setting good examples. We’re all educated people on this site (doesn’t necessarily mean school-educated, but not doing ignorant things). We all have the capability of taking that one misbehaving child in our church to a few outings, befriending him/her, and getting them to correct their behavior by giving them a role model to look up to. So like B4Prez said, lets get off our asses and do something about it!

30 06 2008
aceklub

@ amadeo
Yea, I agree with some of your last points. I just think that in today’s time, kids are exposed to a lot more. We are not as conservative as we once was. Like 5-10 years ago, TV censored almost everything, now people cuss on TV and it is allowed, along with other things. Our kids are exposed to much more sooner and there must be more that can be done. We cannot rely on artists and entertainers to raise our kids. We must realize that these kids WILL find a way to listen to their music, etc but we must provide enough balance so that listening to their music doesn’t impact their lives and thoughts as much. It is tough for black folks, particularly us on this site b/c we see the negativity. Also, we know that our culture has been one of protecting the community and not thinking solely individually. However, when dealing with a capitalistic mindset, there is no more for “even though you’re making your money, think about the impact of others.” It is all about “straight cash homey”. Hence, why someone like Jay-Z, while can be praised for becoming a businessman, has done as much damage in his journey through promoting materialism through his rhymes.

30 06 2008
Esquire

AHAHAHAHAAH They weren’t Italian. They were Russian, Jewish, too. Get it together Esquire, get it together.

lol oops. And WHY do you know all of that. I thought they were italian from those big shirts, I musta been smokin pot when I was little.

30 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

craigslist or monster.com is better and look up mentors. There’s usually 1-2 agencies who work for state govt. to provide paid mentors to youth who get into the system somehow, either incarcerated parents, special circumstances at school or foster care. All you have to be is a high school graduate and they usually pay about 10/hr or so. Delta-T in jersey is one agency

30 06 2008
Omar

I’m pretty sure Puffy (or whatever he calls himself these days) is on one of those DL lists, he always seemed a little sketchy.

30 06 2008
Esquire

Chaotic, I actually think you are doing an excellent job. You dont have to make your entire life about mentoring, just do something to help.
True Story: there was a guy I went to high school with who wanted to be a thug so bad. He told me at our reunion that a little old mean lady changed his life one day. All she did was say..”Damn why are you acting like that? You know better.” He said he cussed her out and then went home and really thought “Damn why AM I acting like that? I just cussed out a lil old lady.” now, he doesnt have a judge mathis story or anything, but he pays his taxes and isnt in jail.

I speak my mind when I come across bad asses. I havent been cussed out yet, but hopefully someone will take what I said and marinate on it.

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ Omar, I’m pretty sure all of bad boy records was gay…well, at least puffy and mase.

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ Esquire…thanks. But as you say, it doesn’t take dedicating someone’s whole life to doing that. I was raised with a Catholic parent and Catholicism is huge on reaching out in the community (missionary work). So since I was little, I’ve always wanted to do stuff to help out.

But don’t tell anybody…I’m supposed to be the shoe fanatic Diva who loves all things shiny and VIP at a party with an open bar.

30 06 2008
Esquire

Rappers I think are on the DL

Puffy, PuffDaddy, P.Diddy, Diddy, Sean Combs…
DMX
JaRule
Lil Wayne
Young Buc (just kidding) (cry baby)
Almost every female rapper.

30 06 2008
Amadeo

@ aceklub

I don’t blame artists for ruining kids “per se”, I do blame them for ruining culture. I did see Al Green perform on the awards and me and my girl commented on how many thugged out cats were dancing and singing along with him. These kids just don’t have as much of that. When working with them I get to see just how narrow a view they have of things. My experience of Hip-Hop exposed me to so much beyond Hip-Hop. That’s the real crime. I can name major life changes that derived from Hip-Hop. These kids can’t.

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

Here’s a question: is there really a difference between Hip Hop and Rap?

30 06 2008
Knatural

Awww…I just listened to Young Buck’s crying ass. It’s kinda sad, I’m a little touched. He’s just confused.

30 06 2008
Omar

When you think about it, it isn’t far fetched to think a lot of these guys are gay (no offense to gay people). Stuff like:

1. Calling women every unholy name you can think of.

2. The “Money over Bitches” thing

3. People saying “We don’t love them hoes”

4. Glorifying jail where there are no women.

5. Wearing pants around your knees for the sake of showing your behind to other men. (This is something that is actually done in jail to let guys know you are “available”)

6. Running women off of the dance floor at a club so you can elbow, push, bump and rub up against other dudes.

7. Overcompensating by having a lot of women around you but never having A woman. (probably for girl talk)

8. Excessive shows of affection or “love” for your homies at the expense of ever possibly having a relationship with a woman. (see Gangstalicious episodes of The Boondocks)

Yup, most of them are probably gays and not too far in the closet. (Ironically a guy like Prince wears high heels and is married to one of the baddest women I’ve ever seen)

30 06 2008
puff

@ chaotic

naw, ALL of bad boy records was gay.

ooh roots’ “break you off” video just came on. i know we’re ragging on music videos, but mmmm black thought…

30 06 2008
puff

@ omar – i might be the only person in the world – ever – who never thought prince was gay. i dunno what the fuck that says about me, except maybe i have the most finely tuned gaydar ever. maybe.

30 06 2008
Knatural

Soooo, who is the most attractive MC now? Common (giant head and freckles)? Mos Def (Mumbles)? 50Cent (complete asshole)? Who?

30 06 2008
Esquire

Omar! OMG ….good points

30 06 2008
Knatural

Puff, I’m with you. I never thought Prince was gay, just a fancy dresser. He’s flamboyant.

30 06 2008
Amadeo

Hip-Hop (in the lyrical sense) is someone pushing the art form of Rhyming…Andre is Hip-Hop…dudes flow has evolved and continues. When I hear him now it’s like he’s so good he’s not even trying. He makes me want to listen. He grows.

Rappers…are just like people you know who are always talking about the same thing…so you really never have to pay attention. You can have that conversation anywhere. Rappers have made millions and still talk like they live down the street, carry a gun and sell drugs…everything they own is just much better then what you have.

30 06 2008
ayo

@ Knatural: How bout Lenny Kravitz… he doesnt rap. oops.

30 06 2008
Bailey Blues

i so agree with you omar!

30 06 2008
ayo

@ Omar… That list should be on the required reading list @ urban high schools across the nation. Might change thangs a bit.

30 06 2008
Omar

@puff – Naw, Prince isn’t gay, he is a little eccentric maybe a little metro but not gay. If you watch old movies and see the crazy stuff people used to wear in the 70’s everybody would look gay by today’s standards. In the Tina Turner movie, Lawrence Fishburne in one scene (playing Ike) had on a skirt and some stockings. Prince is a man of a different time not gay, kid of like how Al Sharpton can’t let go of the perm, just a man of a different time. If a guy permed his hair today, like Snoop, I would call him gay. (with the exception of Kat Williams)

30 06 2008
Amadeo

I always wonder if Prince would get signed now, or would they not know how to market him.

30 06 2008
Knatural

Omar – a lot of ‘hood’ dudes growing up in DC used to perm their hair, quiet as kept, so their cornrows would look “better”. AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
And, this is sad, but I know what scene you’re talking about. I think he was wearing a tunic and snug pants! Nevertheless, by today’s standards of male fashion, in which dudes wear their pants completely below their ass-cheeks, Morpheus’ outfit would be considered the gay.

30 06 2008
Randy Watson

I agree, lil wayne didn’t come into his own until this last album but you still can’t put him anywhere near the greats…

Unfortunately damn near all the videos are the same, but I don’t mind seeing asses and booty everywhere lol I’d definitely rather look at them then some of these fools out now swearing they are gods gift to the pussy

One of the last great rap videos ever made was The Roots, What They Do, which essentially trashed every hip hop video cliche. If I wasn’t at work right now I’d link you to it, but y’all are intelligent enough to youtube for yourselves.

Sexual Chocolate. SEXUAL CHOCOLATE!!!

30 06 2008
Esquire

Sexual Chocolate. SECUAL CHOCOLATE!!!

drops mic and throws jheri curl head back

30 06 2008
Esquire

oops. How bout I spell it correctly
SEXUAL

30 06 2008
B4Prez

Sorry, you’ll are crazy as hell to not think Prince is gay. That man keeps a beautiful woman by his side because he, like most gay men, love beautiful women. Prince is still walking around in heels, jumpsuits, and a 90’s Halle Berry hair cut. Don’t think having a pretty girl on ur arm makes an obviously gay man, suddenly straight, just because we love his music.

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ B4Prez, I don’t think a gay guy could talk about pussy like Prince…lol…He’s got a few freaky songs no homo would ever be able to come up with.

30 06 2008
ph2072

Meka (04:31:32) :

Knatural, I agree with you. Looking at Lil Wayne loosens my bowels too but the sad thing is that he has gotten so much better looking. AND he is better looking than Oil Slick (aka Flava Flav).

That said, I did like that little line: “She give good brain like she graduated from a good school…”

[walks away, hanging head in shame]
________________________________________________________

I, too, am ashamed…… not just because I like that line and because he HAS gotten a little better looking (although still damaging to the eyes), but also because I bought his CD. My friends were shocked when I got it because I HATE today’s psuedo-rap and pseudo-hip-hop. But it actually sounds really good. I couldn’t help myself. I hardly ever buy ANY kind of music because I think 98% of it sucks, so if I buy music it HAS to be good.

Your post was, of course, funny and on point. I fucking HATE Buffoon Entertainment Television, haven’t watched it years…… well, except the horrible BET Awards last week. My friends kept telling me to watch it so that I could see the coonery and buffoonery. I forced my aunt to watch it with me; she hasn’t watched BET in years either. She was shocked and disgusted at how horrible BET has gotten. She said that I owe her dinner for making her watch that shit (LOL) and that my friends aren’t my real friends if they’re making me watch that shit (LOL). From Rick Ross’ fat ass on stage with his open shirt as if his double Ds looked good, to T-Pain-in-the-ass with his circus ringleader outfit on and right on down to the corny ass jokes, it was a buffoon and coon circus for the world to see.

It’s amazing to watch old videos and see how much they contrast with today’s videos. I remember a couple years back flipping through channels and finding The Box, and it was old school night. The videos were nice, classy, and the video concepts/plots/storylines matched the songs. Even the way the dancers danced and dressed were on the opposite end of today’s spectrum. I couldn’t tell you the last time I watched a video.

Back to the good ole days……..

30 06 2008
ph2072

ChaoticDiva (04:29:15) :

Sean “Baby fat” Kingston should be shot, alongside of Akon. Seriously. People are so busy shooting innocent folks like Sean Bell, when they could be doing justice to America as well as saving the black population by killing crap rappers and Bob Johnson.
_____________________________________________________________

I took out T-Pain-in-the-ass for this one.

I HATE Sean Kingston. I saw him at a free concert last year; he was the opening act for (who is now a living dead artist) Lauryn Hill. He was HORRIBLE. Wack ass muthafucka. I don’t care that he’s a kid and I’m an adult. Dammit, he was HORRIBLE. So I agree with ChaoticDiva.

30 06 2008
Roger

Hell, record companies don’t know how to market Me’Shell Ndgeocello–if Prince tried to get signed today, record companies would be like “Wha–? Don’t you sing about bitches and hoes?”

I can’t stand listening to today’s alleged “R&B” (to say nothing of today’s [c]rap); I realized I was done with what was being labeled R&B when I said, “They don’t sing about shit anymore!” But then, I have always been drawn to slow jams. Anita, Pre-Crack Whitney, Stephanie, Phyllis Hyman, Patti LaBelle, Luther, Teddy…yeah. Even in college, everyone knew that I had all the “babymaking music.” I love slow jams because they evoke moods, feelings–hell, the best ones tell a fuckin’ story (and yes, there are shitty, SHITTY slow jams–“Let’s Get Married” by Jagged Edge, for example) PRIOR to a video being made.

30 06 2008
Yonnie3k

ph2072 (21:16:30) :

I too, am ashamed…… not just because I like that line and because he HAS gotten a little better looking (although still damaging to the eyes), but also because I bought his CD.

….mmmm check the FAQ page, but I’m pretty sure that this admission means that you are effectively banned from this site until a) Chuck D wins the Pulitzer Prize or b) Cornel West is appointed U.S. Secretary of Education – whichever happens sooner.

30 06 2008
Merri Lee

@ Omar – you really broke it down! I always wondered how thugs could be homophobic but only be around other dudes. Suspect!

30 06 2008
ayo

@Roger: Me’Shell Ndgeocello is so damn dope!

30 06 2008
Breez

“Right, I went to HS and College in Mississippi, so I will listen to DJ Jubilee, Josephine Johnny, Hot Boy Ronald, etc. in a NY minute.”

@ Rev, I owe you a drink.

I love hip hop, but I’m a 504 girl to the core, and cain’t NOBODY tell me that I’m not gonna dance to some “I’m in Love with a Juvie.” It’s ignant, it’s grimy, and I love it.

Though I don’t understand the Lil Wayne hype, I’m also not lighting torches and heading to his crib while he’s having a make out session with Baby.

I always laugh when people act like the South single-handedly destroyed hip-hop. You had established artists that started getting lazy, resting on their laurels and producing formulaic CDs: two hot tracks, 6-8 interludes, and 10 tracks of whatnot. Now, I’m not saying that what came out the south was gold. I’m just saying that if the bitchers and moaners would have held to a standard and stepped their respective games up, maybe there wouldn’t have been room for a takeover.

Plus, it’s all about the machine. They’re backing the cash cows, but there are still other artists that are still producing good stuff. You have to be willing to look for it.

Southern rap is like porn, nobody wants to admit that they partake, yet it’s a multibillion dollar industry.

30 06 2008
aceklub

Southern Rap is catching the blame of the death of hip-hop b/c their music was on the rise (Cash Money, No’ Limit) at the same time that the slow death of the genre was being experienced. Down South was only regional at a time, successful but not really exposed to the masses. Thus, by the time Lil’ Jon and the whole crunk music blessed the scene, music became a major mainstream industry so the crunk music was pushed to the forefront a lot more. And with this music, the focus shifted from the lyrics (Goodie Mob, Outkast) to the beat and hook (Lil’ Jon). So now, southern music on top + focus on making money = catching dance tunes w/ no real substance.

30 06 2008
Merri Lee

“Right, I went to HS and College in Mississippi, so I will listen to DJ Jubilee, Josephine Johnny, Hot Boy Ronald, etc. in a NY minute.”

*Reminiscing on pre-Katrina New Orleans. sigh*

30 06 2008
TomatoHead

This is a random thought but as people have been using the expression “close one’s legs”, referring to not having sex. For some reason I find that expression really…graphic and rather disturbing. Every time someone says that I get a visual of them naked from the waist down and closing their legs. Yech.

Not that I’m saying you can’t use it, just a passing thought I had.

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

lol @ Tomato. I actually use that phrase to limit my parent’s freak out.

But for the record, the sun really doesn’t shine much that way.

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

…by the way, the sun doesn’t shine is a pun on not being happy when you’re not getting any…for those who don’t know…lol…not directly in reference to any particulars.

30 06 2008
Jen

ST, Soulja Boy and Gil Scott are as much related as Fergie and Mahalia Jackson. And, until now, I have never found the occasion to speak either pair of names in the same sentence.

I come off as the asshole sometime (uh, frequently), but now is not such a time.

If I wanted to talk pretension, I would point out how many people have mocked the accents of southerners and uneducated Blacks or used the South as an erroneous scapegoat in this thread (including you, my friend).

But, I couldn’t care less about somebody sounding like an asshole if there is some ostensible validity to their point or reasoning. Hence, my love of this particular blog despite the fact that I sometimes disagree with its brilliant author.

P.S. People, I don’t do acrylic nails or public intoxication, and I certainly don’t do liquor. Behind this colorful internet facade, I’m a lady!!

30 06 2008
klysha

@ TheChad. I really appreciate the analogy comparing hip hop to food and liquor. I too like to partake in both. I barely listen to any rap or hip hop at all that was made after 2000 but I respect the right of all the stuff that I don’t like to exist. And I don’t blame the artists who churn out the crappy music for the downfall of hip hop. If anything I blame the corporations that mass market the worst of the worst while ignoring the quality stuff.

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

…why is it that An American Tail (see: Jewish-Russian Mice with big clothes and speech impediments) on right now?

30 06 2008
TomatoHead

Chaotic: See this is where people differ. My mom always gets mucho weirded out when I say that. She’s like, I don’t wanna imagine you in a prone position telling some boy you don’t wanna have sex with him. Just say the word sex.

That seriously floored me. Ever since I was like, 18, my mom has treated me like a fellow adult. It is truly bizarre. I kinda wish she was one of those parents who it is weird to talk about or joke about sex with, but she is waaay out with it. Told me to make sure I got some birth control when I was with the now ex-boyfriend and offered to take me. *Shudder* I went by myself.

30 06 2008
Jen

ChaoticDiva…baby, you’re too much, too much.

If I was your manager at VS, I would fire your ass. Why should the children have to have tacky pantylines and ashy lips just because they haven’t yet graduated from high school??

30 06 2008
TomatoHead

Aw, they don’t have speech impediments…they are just Russian Jewish mice with crazy accents. Seriously though, if mice could talk, wouldn’t they have really weird speech impediments?

And why are their clothes so big? They are mice…I’m presuming they make their own clothes so why wouldn’t they make clothes that fit?

30 06 2008

There is a difference between a great rapper and a great emcee.

Do I need to explain?

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ Jen…We have the Pink line and the Pout line that both carry thongs that are much more appropriate for younger girls than the v-strings with the rhinestones and crotchless panties in the Sexy Little Things collection.

As for the makeup, I refuse to let a 12 year old barter me into making her look like a 40 year old prostitute, complete with effed up smokey eyes, and red lips (because she can’t sit still long enough for the application because she’s running to her girlfriends squealing). We have beauty rush sheer lip glosses that have glitter in them that look more age appropriate.

30 06 2008
Jen

ROTFL

Point taken.

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

Example of the tweens that frequent VS: http://images.teamsugar.com/files/upl1/1/13255/17_2008/littleladytatt.jpg

(couldn’t resist when I saw this)

30 06 2008
Shay-d-lady

While I completely agree about the problems with video’s and the redundancy that is the current norm, I dont see how you can in one breath hate the redundancy and then hate on lil Wayne for doing a live version of his song, and trying to do something a little differently. I understand people are not feeling his themes, subject matter etc but c’mon now he is a rapper and that is a talent now is he using his talent to the best of his abilities? I dont think so but I also dont think anyone wants all of their music filled with deep themes and preachy rhetoric either. There is room for both the little Wayne’s and Common, Nas, Talib’s and neither one is more talented or important than the other. I would also like to address the issue that Lil Wayne was targeted and not Plies? Cmon! I object!!! This Ninja has gotten famous off of 5 versions of the same damn video about being a sideline ho and not even a dishonorable mention?
I totally agree that Beyonce is not a singer (hell a dancer either but that’s a whole other issue).

30 06 2008
Jen

OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

That eight year old baby will NOT have a tramp stamp.

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

Oh yes. I’m so glad she’s not a little brown girl. But I have seen the little brown girls with more weave than Beyonce….

30 06 2008
Merri Lee

Tramp stamps have got to be stopped. I saw a chick with a Virgin of Guadeloupe tramp stamp. Seriously? How many times do you have to “Hail Mary” for that? 1000?

30 06 2008
Jen

Okay…a few months ago my sister sent me this Youtube video of a girl who appeared to be about four years old singing a Mariah Carey song.

This INFANT not only had [poorly] relaxed hair, but also had one of those silky pony tails pinned to the top of her head as a wig, which she tossed as she sang.

Cry, the beloved country.

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ Merri Lee – that’s an intangible number.

@ Jen – tis a tragedy.

30 06 2008
Tea

“Some asshole getting a haircut
Some asshole ’singing’ or ‘rapping’ three inches from a chick’s face
Some asshole in a barn or barn-like structure for no apparent reason
Some asshole wearing a t-shirt with the name and image of a dead friend
Some asshole with 40lbs of gold in his mouth constantly baring his teeth
Some asshole dressed like an ex-con with easy access to glitter successfully seducing some professional looking chick
Some asshole flaunting his ‘thuggishness’ out of spite in a country club, high end restaurant, or equally inappropriate venue
Some asshole driving a giant SUV with spinning rims
Some asshole constantly self-affirming his gangster status
Some asshole flashing a giant wad of $100 bills at some doe-eyed chick
Booty”

And all of this is normalized in the minds of our children… the future looks bleak.

30 06 2008
Amadeo

@ Shay-d-lady
He don’t have to be deep on some KRS “give me 5 history books to see what he’s talking about”

Andre for example has mostly been talking about straight life issues from a simple perspective, with some deep jewels thrown in. I just ask that these cats keep it within reality or go all the way fantasy. However they talk about how rich they are and girls fall all over them, but yet they still hood…you can’t be Paris Hilton and Snoop from the Wire.

30 06 2008
Merri Lee

^^^^To truly describe what BET is like, every other bullet point should have been “booty.”

side note – Ruben Studdard from American Idol just married a chick from the “Tip Drill” video.

1 07 2008
UGOD

“…lyrical genius (e.g. Teddy Riley)…”

TEDDY fucking RILEY?!?!?! Motherfucker are you for real?!

1 07 2008
ninabrown

i think chris was taking a shit when he typed Teddy Riley….i can forgive and forget!

1 07 2008
TomatoHead

Jen: Lawdy…that is a damn shame. Why do people do that to their children? This goes across the board. I mean wtf is this?

1 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

The south did not kill hip hop and who the hell said that only Common, Nas, Talib and them ninja’s are the only “real” hip/hop artists? What definition are you guys using? How do you know the “real” hip hop artist do it for the love and not for the money? First of all let’s get real, all artists are in it for the money, now they might also love what they do but none of these artists are giving away any free concerts, free cds or anything else. And Since when has hip hop ever been about exclusion? Its fine if you dont like an artist but what I know and love about hip hop has been the fact that good or bad it has provided a voice and a spotlight on issues and conditions that represent all aspects of urban life not just one and hip hop has never been defined by what is played during prime time air play on MTV and BET (excluding the Yo! MTV Raps and Early Rap City

1 07 2008
Monie

ChaoticDiva,

“Here’s a question: is there really a difference between Hip Hop and Rap?”

Rap is music and hip hop is a lifestyle.

1 07 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

“TEDDY fucking RILEY?!?!?! Motherfucker are you for real?!”

I intended this with more than a hint of smartass, but I can see how the sentiment didn’t make it to the page.

Oh well. Nina Brown must have cameras in my condo, because I really was taking a dump when I wrote this (and 90% of my other posts). Fuck it.

1 07 2008
Mrs.Epps

damn i just came back and i get this-Mrs. Epps….you wear Air-force Ones and Jordans don’t you? lol
How you say you don’t watch MTV and BET except for just half of the ignorant stuff they put on tv. lol
This is exactly what I’m talking about. Tila Tequila? Now I feel sorry for all bi-sexual asian women. lol
Its your opinion, you have the right to like any music you want, and I have the right to judge your intelligence based on that opinion. lol I sincerely hope you are not over 23. If so I hope you don’t have kids. lol I’m just playin, but watch cnn.

WTFFFFFFF hold up now..
1. I dont wear air force nor do I wear jordans
2. how is watching tila tequila and martin 1/2 the stuff on BET and MTV thats 2 fucking shows.. and i watch them both rarely…i spend most of my time either reading a book, on here, writing poetry, and when i do watch tv i’ll be watching House, Bones, or Ghost Hunters and Ninja warrior 95% of the time.
3. how can you base my intelligence on what i occasionally watch? That would be like me saying you’re a square ass for watching sometimes boring ass CNN which btw I watch as well. When i come home from work i wanna chill and not always think about whats happening in the world/news.. i wanna watch some bullshit reality tv.SUE ME!!
4. No im not over 23 but that doenst mean shit… i know plenty of ppl over the age of 25!!! that watch MTV all the fucking time and never watch the news.
5. I dont have kids but guess what? if they wanna watch silly ass Martin so be it 🙂 because i love Martin and you’d be a damn liar if you said you never enjoyed that shit in the 90’s.

6. The End

I’m done and I’m out!!!!

1 07 2008
Mrs.Epps

for the record…hip-hop is fucking dead..well atleast mainstream hip-hop is…i cant wait to get Sirus for my car so I can cut all the bullshit.

1 07 2008
theylikemyneworleansdemeanor

@ Breez…. where you from? I’m from the n.o. too 🙂
but i live in dc for now.

1 07 2008
theylikemyneworleansdemeanor

Chris, lol.
thanks, now don’t feel like the only person who thinks about all kinds of shit when i’m shitting….

1 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

Hip hop is not dead, Main stream hip hop has always been whatever the flavor of the moment is. Once 1 person makes a splash and sells a lot of records, record companies try to duplicate it by creating cookie cutter versions. However these artists are needed because the commercial rappers allow room for the alternative. If not for these rappers and their commercial big bucks rappers like Lupe, Common, Talib, Kardinal Offishal, etc would not still be making music. It’s the yin and the yang and both are necessary.

My tastes in entertainment represent every part of my personality. Yes, I have Jordan’s, I watch flavor of love, I love new york, I crank that soulja boy, get silly, listen to Wayne, Jeezy, T.I, Jay-z, cuss, wear hoop earrings, have tattoo’s and can get mad enough to actually throw them thangs… I am from the hood, but I also have a BA and a BS, a MAED, own my home, my 2 cars, married, a very good job, and the ability verbally tear someone apart if needed. I am also a published writer, I sing and read music, tutor at my daughter’s school, had a perfect verbal/ critical reading score on my SAT and Perfect English, Reading and Science scores on my ACT (ok; I fell a little short on the math part in both areas but my overall scores where still great!). That being said, I don’t have to read, watch, listen to what I think smart people would, could or should… I know that I am a smart mutherf*!ker (shut yo mouth) so whatever I like to listen to, read, watch etc represents that.

1 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

damn.. apparently I was mad……

1 07 2008
Breez

@ theylikemyneworleansdemeanor I too am from New Orleans. East Shore Ridah! LOL. I currently live in Rockville.

1 07 2008
Omar

SPeaking of ignorant artists…

…I am watching the concert for Nelson Mandela’s birthday and of all people guess who’s performing. Crackhead, alcoholic, racist AMY WINEHOUSE!!!

There is no justice.

1 07 2008
Nice

Amy Winehouse = Crackheads Gone Wild! I was surprised when I discovered that they let her perform there.

1 07 2008
Nice

I agree with you Shady. The south did not kill hip hop. There are many talented artist from the south. We kinda had this discussion before on the other post. I personally am not feeling most of the rap that is out right now. Is that to say hip hop is dead? Not sure. I just have a hard time thinking that the quality of rap music is as good as it was in the 80’s and 90’s. Yes there are a handful of rappers doin theyre thing now, but I just dont see the abundance of talent that I saw then. Or maybe Im just gettin old and my musical taste is at a standstill.

1 07 2008
Lisa M. Turtle

OMG OMG… I didn’t even get through all of this yet. I was too damn excited that you mentioned THE BOX. FUCKING RIGHT. 😀

1 07 2008
Aisha

I never understood the fucking reasoning behind Lil’ Wayne’s fame…he hasn’t made a sex tape or anything…and none of his music makes any fucking sense to me.

So what the fuck?

The Box…ah…good times, good times.

1 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

But Nice think about the rappers that you liked from the 80’s and 90’s then google rappers from that same time period and see how many wack a$$ rappers were out then that you didnt know about. I think there is still the same ratio of Great to Wack rappers as it was then. Now that we are older we are not as close to the streets so we are missing out on a lot of the new rappers, we are now more exposed to the mainstream and are using that as the basis for our musical decision and that was not the case then.

1 07 2008
shabooty

….but but….but Lil-Wayne has “face tats”…

[my sarcastic coming to the defense of weezy]

1 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

hey! he is and artist he is trying to express himself……uh yeah I cant justify that.. that is some bullshit

1 07 2008
Nice

I can see where you are coming from. Times have changed. I can remember when I was young I liked Mc Brains (Oochie Coochie Lalala). But dude was straight wack. But that was hot to me at that time. I understand because I try to stay neutral when it comes to peoples musical taste and respect their opinions. But I cant say if I really am interested in whats new now. I hate when people feel that if you aint feelin what then feelin then you mustve drove to school on the short bus or sumthin. So, while Im not big on Wayne like I said, I respect what he is doin and I respect who is feelin him. I love Nas, and from what I understand alot folks aint feelin him like that. Or Kanye. And like I also said earlier, I will always be a Kanye fan. I refuse to jump on the hate-a-rapper bandwagon.

1 07 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ Aisha….that is a good question.

My assumption is that Lil Wayne made it cool to be a black man, in the hip hop world living like Kurt Cobain and the rest of the druggie rockers and the black kids are like “Oh shit, our favorite artist is the same as those rich fuckers at Beverly Hills high.

Funny, he flaunts his money like a stupid bimbo model….buys a bunch of tight clothes, and the matching shoes and accessories, keeps up his ‘do, and paid to make his face look less ratty.

Actually, he could be best friends with Lindsay Lohan. After all, they’re both gay, so they’d never hit on each other. (Yes, Lindsay Lohan has been making out with Mark Ronson’s sister all over LA).

1 07 2008
Aisha

LOLOLOLOLOL @ ChaoticDiva

Lil’ Wayne is as gay as Christmas.

1 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

I knew I liked you Nice.. great point and for all that I Love Kanye and people really sleep on him and try to pass him off as a phase. I think he is truly talented, I use to love Nice but after the I AM he started to slip and even though he has managed to have a few joints on Stillmatic and God’s Son the albums overall were not that great.

1 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

I am sorry, I meant I use to love NAS……long day

1 07 2008
Nice

But truthfully, where r all the hop rap groups? There are literally a handful of good rap groups out now. When I was coming up you had Das Efx, Tribe, Nice N smooth, Boogie Down, Dead Prez, Wu Tang, Gangstar, NWA and I can keep naming.

1 07 2008
Nice

Oh i meant hot rap groups, been a long day for me too.

1 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

Now I willl admit the group concept has gotten lost in hip hop, the only group that I can think of is Gym Class Heroes and most people dont classify them as hip hop/rap

1 07 2008
ChaoticDiva

yo…Kanye is my shit. Dead Prez…”mind sex” was an awesome song.

1 07 2008
Nice

The only more new rap group that I like that comes to mind is Little Brother. Slum Village is ok sometimes, but theyve been around for a hot minute and their line-up seems to change with every album they drop. Crime Mob and all that other mess Im not feeling at all. The females rappers aint even coming as hard as they used to no more.

1 07 2008
ChaoticDiva

Slum Village will never be the same without Dilla. But yea, check out Athletic Mic League…from the same label as Slum Village…well not with them anymore, but different production, and different flavor to the table.

…maybe I’m biased because I’m cool with all of them. Those are my boys.

1 07 2008
Nice

Youre a Detroit girl. I get it.

1 07 2008
Muse

I just saw the tip drill video for the first time. OMG….

Jesus take the Wheel….

(yeah I know I’m behind. I don’t watch much tv)

1 07 2008
ChaoticDiva

…something like that. I don’t support all local talent. But I wont tell you to go for a crappy rapper.

1 07 2008
klysha

Chris I picked up on the sarcasm/smart-ass in your examples including (lyrical genius) Teddy Riley.

1 07 2008
shabooty

if ya dont like rap ya can wrap yo lips around my 12inch vinyl…OHHH!!!

1 07 2008
Nice

I trust your taste Chaotic

1 07 2008
Nice

Who is Tip Drill? Excuse me, Im a little out of touch.

1 07 2008
ChaoticDiva

thanks…now I do admit to some crap rappers…like Spank Rock…

…I can’t help it…Like their talented, but their like the rebirth of 2 Live Crew.

I think I like them because they make me blush and giggle…

1 07 2008
Nice

“if ya dont like rap ya can wrap yo lips around my 12inch vinyl”

I believe thats from a song, does anyone remember what?

1 07 2008
Buzz Session

The quintessential W.E.B Dubois Dualism.

Broke Ass Me:
I hate sell out niggas, the hip-pop they spit and the homogenized world of what is called today’s R&B. I miss the phenom trifecta of Prince, Michael and Stevie as the black music standard. Beyonce is dead behind the eyes and Lil Wayne is the troll underneath the weak ass bridge. Today’s music; visual and audio wise takes white folks on an audio Safari to fully meet their inherent expectations of how jungle, coonish, hyper-sexualized, sub-human and inferior we jungle bunnies really are.

Capitalistic Me:
I won’t lose sleep over Wayne or B; cause at the end of the day their pockets are deep enough to protect them and their precious egos from the lurkers who hate them with the passion of Christ. Son. I’m scraping my coin jar to buy an organic apple. I can’t spew hate cause quite honestly I don’t want to cock-block my own spiritual blessings. Get in where you fit it; mediocrity and all. If folks is wiling to purchase it who are we to say who should be seen, heard, and paid well to do it? We’re in a capitalistic country; and money talks. Success ain’t never been about talent; its always been about who’s persistent and Jay, B, and Lil Wayne are persistent than a probably half us shit-talkers.

Signed,
Proud black women; capitalist by default.

http://www.gettogetha.com/blog/

1 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

Woman have really de-volved ( I know I made it up, damn!) in hip hop. Men have always dominated and their videos have always been misogynistic. The video represents their fantasy, so I am not mad at the men for having half naked chicks all over them and shit, if I had my own video it would be filled with ninja’s in shorts with 8 packs and pelvic cuts (sorry don t know the technical name for it) greased up cleaning the house. The problem is now the female rappers are playing into this. Earlier we had female rappers that represented the other side of the coin where women were concerned. They were smart and could rhyme with the best of them, they were not glorified video ho’s. Lyte, Queen,Salt and Peppa even Da Brat represented women in a way not found in today’s female rappers.

1 07 2008
shabooty

@nice

no its from ME…dumdum. 😉

heres the tip drill video btw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWkZf9n_poE&feature=related)

$

1 07 2008
Nice

I will also like to add that I am a Jay-Z fan as well. Saw him and Mary in concert in Chi.

1 07 2008
Nice

Shabooty post that video again
But really, I think I heard that before.

1 07 2008
ChaoticDiva

Hooray for Mc Lyte. And Queen. I also think Eve is decent. She cleans up nicely.

1 07 2008
Glennisha

The box use to be the shit!

1 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

NIce now I am a Jay-z Stan.. My favorite rappers are 2 pac, Jay-Z, Outkast, Eightball and MJG; Talib Kweli, Kanye West, Tribe Called Quest, Busta Rhymes, Method Man, T.I., Luda and Scarface

Guilty Pleasures are “Wayne, Jeezy, Nelly, Snoop, lil Jon, Fab and them dj khaled joints ( I know they have my current nemesis Plies on them but alright)

Favorite Albums? 400 Degrees, The blue print Unplugged, American Gangster, Venni Vetti Vecci, Makavelli, Reasonable Doubt, Finding Forever, All 3 Kanye Joints, Aquemini, Coming out Hard and Space age forever, Black Star, HNIC, Ghetto Dope and Harlem World…..

1 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

Yeah I like Eve….I also left off the Diary as one of my fav albums…

1 07 2008
Nice

I Love Jigga too. My faves are Talib, Krs, Rakim, Jay, Nas, Kanye, Tribe, Outkast, Scarface, Common, Ghostface, old Mobb Deep-man I cannot name everybody. I do have alot favorites. I like Luda, he got skills, but is albums are not good to me. He could use better production. I respect Eminem, his albums bite too tho. My guilty please is Three Six Mafia. “I Gotta Stay Fly” with Young Buck and Eightball and MJG was classic. I dont care what anybody says. I like them when Gangsta Boo was with them too.

1 07 2008
Nice

HNIC, Reflection Eternal, Moment of Truth, all of Ghostfaces joints, Illmatic, Stillmatic, American Gangsta, Reasonable Doubt, Blowout Comb, Things Fall Apart, Enter the Wu: 36 Chambers, Its Dark and Hell is Hot- Dont get me started in here. Midnight Mirauders, The Low End Theory.

1 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

I love Rakim, I cant beleive I left him off the list…And I love Reflection Eternal! Comeback Hi=Tek! I forgot Midnight Miraunders and Things Fall Apart, I also love it is Dark and Hell is hot and also the DMX joint with Same ole shit! I am from the M-town so old three six is a definite guilty pleasure. Yeah I feel the same way about Luda which is why he is fav but none of his albums are listed. I also like that Mystical joint with The man right chea!

1 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

I also Loved Diggable Planets you gone make me pull that joint off of Itunes! I slick had that on cassette tape!

1 07 2008
Nice

Shady- You might be my new BFF.

1 07 2008
Nice

Hi Tek dropped an album last year, it was so so. He had Q tip, Bun B, Papoose, Ghost and few others. I think him and Talib need to collab for another album tho, Reflection was too hot to def.

Notice how i still use the term album- I cant help it.

1 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

LOL I was thinking the same thing!!! I have never met someone whose Hip hop tastes are just as random as mine.

1 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

LOL I still say record!

1 07 2008
Nice

I just hate boxes and categories. I like all kinds of music. It might seem random to the average person, but to me it is just that- me. I dont even understand my musical taste at times.

1 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

Exactly! I just like what I like I dont spend my time trying to find the deeper meaning. Depending on my mood I can go from bubblegum pop to Gangster ride or die chick in the blink of an eye and my musical tastes outside of hip hop are ridiculous!!!! Putting my ipod on shuffle songs will have you listening to anything from Willie Nelson and Elton John to Metallica and Erykah Badu

1 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

Alright I am out! Ck you tomorrow, same bat time, same bat channel!

1 07 2008
Nice

Yes. I cannot stand when people put me in this back-pack, neo-soul category because of what they think I only listen too. I am open to anything if it sounds good and moves me. Music at the end of the day is about relating.

People tend to think that their musical preferences indicate their intelectual level. That is such crap. It is about what you feel and can relate to. What matters most. Some songs can just remind you of you childhood or a past love. Or just being on the block with your peeps. It dont always have to be so deep all the time. It dont always have to be so silly and ignorant. You can like a song for the hook or the beat- why be critisized for that? It is just music. For all to enjoy. In all of its forms.

I notice how people might not liker an artist for their personality. And thats fine. But shud that take away from their talent? No. There are artist that I like and respect personality-wise, but I dont really care for their music.

1 07 2008
london

great post chris…
am late i know…
i remember when everyone talked about will smith not being a rapper/artist of repute..
he just flipped the bird and went on doing what he do…
i am legend indeed..
soulja boy is looking after his family at 17… i think that is cool… i am not a big fan of his music but that crank that dance was a phenomenon.. that dance is the bastard cousin of the electric slide… you all cannot see it?
and soulja boys response to ice t was hilarious… ice t should not have gone there… he should have had more dignity and better self esteem for his age… it would be like my father calling out my god son for a fight…

lil wayne.. have heard some of is lyrics and he can make me laugh in a ‘didn’t see that rhyme coming’ way..

it’s all bubblegum…

my parents think rap killed all music by the way… we are doing the same here..

finally beyonce… she is mouldable.. that’s what the industry likes.. she can sing but she cannot throw down like whitney or mariah… but then they are both crazy… as an industry who would you rather work with…
i love jay z and am a huge fan.. he rocked glastonbury and stuck it to his nay-sayers one at a time in his set… am glad bey stayed on the sidelines…
he is funny as hell in all his interviews…
and those lips.. yum! i must be the only woman in the world who thinks that man’s mouth is sexy as hell… loves me some jay z lips..
am a kanye fan too.. anyone who doesn’t bounce to gold digger is dead on the inside.. and he put pam anderson in his video..
am a not so secretly a huge fan of hers… barb wire started it….vip cemented it.. yeah i said it.. what?

l8r.. this post was exhausting…

1 07 2008
Angie

I agree wholeheartedly!!! Lil Wayne is the living breathing example of how bad the Orleans parish school system is. Dear Lord man, if he only knew! But the bigger question is, which is worse? Lil Wayne who is he biggest disrespectful fucktard that ever crawled out of the projects? Or guys like Mystical and Baby (or whatever his name is), who is surprisingly intelligent, mild-mannered people that can actually carry a conversation without double negatives?

1 07 2008
theylikemyneworleansdemeanor

alright breez!!!!! I’m from the east too …yay! i lived by the plaza (r.i.p.)

1 07 2008
Sister Toldja

Digable Planets are the best! I saw them twice in 2005 on the reunion tour. I shed a tear at the first show, lol. I run in to Cee Knowledge like, once a year at clubs. Someone asked who the most attractive rapper is these days….I still vote for Butterfly after all these years!!!!!

1 07 2008
Nice

Butterfly has always been fly- sexy with the voice to go with.

1 07 2008
Monica

Damn. I stopped watching videos about 10 years ago. They are still doing the same thing? Damn.

Lil Wayne is not cute. Um, he is rather gross.

1 07 2008
Educated NSU Demon

Am I the only one who lost MAJOR respect for Kanye West for his endorsements of T-Pain and Lil’ Wayne at the BET awards? If there was someone I could count on to tell the truth in the mainstream music industry, it was Kanye, then he yanks some bullshit like that out of his ass? UGH….

1 07 2008
ChaoticDiva

People actually watch the BET Awards? I don’t…my grades suffer enough from the everyday stresses of life for me to want to intentionally drop my IQ 12 points per hour…

1 07 2008
klysha

@ Nice I feel the same way. I can listen to anything that makes me feel something or makes me want to move. I think it’s a little silly to judge someones intelligence based on their musical tastes. Although I will say that if someone is completely closed off to listening to anything but what is shoved down their throat by the mainstream media I might question their intelligence…just a little. My ipod has everything from southern snap and bass music to country and classical. As far as hip hop goes I enjoy hip hop that makes me think just as much as I enjoy music that serves no purpose other than making me dance. I’m over 30 so I can’t really relate to most of the new stuff but I will never be too old or too bougie to drop it when a bass song from the 90s comes on…LOL.

1 07 2008
jg14

@ Nice…. I think our iTunes playlist is probably very much alike. But I feel you on the being put into a box because you like Little Brother, Hi Tek, Justus League, Platinum Pied Pipers, etc. I have 15 different playlists on Pandora radio, they range from Outkast to Air to Telepopmusik to Amel Larrieux to Kayne West to Radiohead to N.E.R.D. I’m all over the place.

1 07 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ jg14…N.E.R.D. is like my fave group! Can’t wait to buy their new album!!!

But yea, my iTunes goes from Weezer to Alexandre Pires (brazillian heart-throb) to J*Davey to Teedra Moses and beyond.

Eclectic. Its a good thing…means we’re worldly people.

1 07 2008
jg14

@ Chaotic Diva. Seeing Sounds is quite possibly the best CD of this year so far. It’s been on repeat in my car.

Dwele’s recent album, not an instant amazement, but It’s growing.

1 07 2008
Buzz Session

Wasn’t Lady Butterfly a crackhead at one point in time?

1 07 2008
Sister Toldja

Uh, Butterfly is a guy. The sister’s name is Ladybug Mecca. And I highly doubt any of them were crackheads.

1 07 2008
Bassey

@ Sister Toldja – Actually, Ladybug was on drugs. She’s talked about it. And I think Butterfly was on something as well but don’t quote me on that. I stopped paying attention to him when I found out he and Coco from SWV had a child together. it was irrational but i took my crushes very seriously back then.

I feel like the oldest person on this blog but does anyone else remember this group:

I loved them so f’n much! I had their CD and wore it out. I love this video because the women look like people I know and could be friends with. I love youtube, btw.

1 07 2008
HeadNutInCharge

“hmmm…Im confused. Isn’t that image an Aztec calendar not a Mayan? Japanese …Chinese same thing right?”

Yes, it’s the Aztec Sun Stone depicting the destruction of the four previous universes. The Mayan’s didn’t have anything equivalently cool looking that foretold the utter destruction of…everything…so I just borrowed this one for the hell of it.

Thanks for the clarity. You had me second guessing my history for a second. Im just glad to know that you actually read all of your comments. Keep it the greatness.

1 07 2008
HeadNutInCharge

“hmmm…Im confused. Isn’t that image an Aztec calendar not a Mayan? Japanese …Chinese same thing right?”

Yes, it’s the Aztec Sun Stone depicting the destruction of the four previous universes. The Mayan’s didn’t have anything equivalently cool looking that foretold the utter destruction of…everything…so I just borrowed this one for the hell of it.

Thanks for the clarity. You had me second guessing my history for a second. Im just glad to know that you actually read all of your comments. Keep up the greatness.

1 07 2008
Merri Lee


Nice (03:33:20) :

Who is Tip Drill? Excuse me, Im a little out of touch.

“Tip Drill” is Nelly’s infamous BET uncut video where he slides a credit card down a strippers butt cheeks. Why?

1 07 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

“”Tip Drill” is Nelly’s infamous BET uncut video where he slides a credit card down a strippers butt cheeks. Why?”

Because he watches Family Guy.

1 07 2008
jg14

I just wanted to go back and comment on the whole regional thing. I just realized that while I do not appreciated “fuckery” music as I call it, I have one guilty pleasure. Being from Florida… I love Boppin music.

Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJMQAK85Cxo&feature=related
Bean Ahh…

LOL I love and miss South Florida… Tampa Tony, all the DJ’s. In Florida you go into the club lookin cute, come out lookin a mess. And it’s acceptable.

1 07 2008
Angry IV

There might be some haters here, but I like Will Smith a lot – he’s stayed true to hip-hop despite haters around the US. Give “Lost and Found” by Will a listen. It details everything we’ve all said above.

1 07 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ Angry…Will Smith is my dude. I’ve been called corny because I own more than one of his albums.

1 07 2008
Merri Lee

Now I’M out of touch, because I don’t watch Family Guy.

2 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

LOL I love Family Guy and Will Smith!

2 07 2008
Sue

Other than the occasional hot beat that I happen to come across, I’ve basically quit hip hop/rap. I loved it growing up because it was new, had incredible beats and gave us a relevant voice and place in society. Now its just bragging for the hell of it and there’s NO CREATIVITY anymore. Niccas making up words just to make it rhyme cause that’s what they think its about.

Yeah rap started out basically as forum for bragging but that was cool because you didn’t take it seriously back then and as serious as the money was made, it was all done in fun. It was about how imaginative you could be without making up words. Now its been “bastardized” like from socialism to communism and its not worth my time anymore.

2 07 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ Sue…I think you just described E-40 and the whole hyphy movement (with making up words thiing)

2 07 2008
Educated NSU Demon

“People actually watch the BET Awards?”

I actually didn’t even know it came on when it was live. But I caught a re-run just to see the reunion of girl groups…the ones that were actually original and represented women well…and also the tribute to Al Green.

2 07 2008
burt

i’ve been saying for years beyonce (with her made up name) can’t sing and people look at me like i’m crazy or jealous. she can’t. she drags out notes and tries to harmonize as she’s doing it. very annoying. i don’t get the hype about her. keyshia coles can’t sing either. i just wanted her to get off the stage at the BET awards. i’ve been waiting to see if you’d write about that. i watched it for the first time ever last week (with my mouth dropped) and was embarrassed by how people dressed, sang and behaved on stage. a disgrace. did you, by chance, see it? sigh.

3 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

Damn, Hating BET is the new black. Now every “edumacated” black person I know hates BET but I cant bring up one show on that mutherf#$cker that someone hasnt commented about. Damn near everyone on this blog has watched the BET award show and then added a disclaimer to explain why. I am so over it.

3 07 2008
coolcrys

YOU ..my fellow Chris…are ab-so-fucking-lute-ly HILARIOUS! And right on the money!!! Preach on!

Hold the mirror up to these mutha f’ers!

4 07 2008
ViK

I never watch music videos, and for some dumb reason, after reading this post, I did. Soulja Boy has a video called “Silly”, which should be banned from TV for pure ignorance. Then there was Chris Brown’s video to “Forever.” Good song, good video. My issue – there’s a positive portrayal of a woman in the video. THEY PICK A WHITE CHICK! Seriously, where was Lauren London?

4 07 2008
MissKella

Finally, someone agrees that B can’t sing (singing should never be confused with yelling or yodeling, unless thats what the song requires) I can’t stand her damn music, hell I can’t stand her. She just is not that great, voice or looks wise. All her music sounds same to me. I guess I am just one of those who love real artists. (Michael Baisden will put you onto some beautiful artists).

What is Lil’ Wayne, Weezy, Lil Hobbit Hermit Crab Boy (lol)? Besides being a punchline creator he is a pretty smart guy. [I know I’m gonna get flack for this]. This man has literally made non-sense a social accessory. He’s managed to infect the idiots and yes even the bright and talented into singing that damn Lollipop song. Countless fools have locks, fitted caps, and rock star attire to mimic the garbage he does. He has found a way to capitalize on people not caring about what he’s talking about as long as he sticks to this idiotic standard of creating a song: per Viacom’s request (nice beat, talk of anything related oral sex, the mention of fat asses, the many ways he gets down in bed, hell you get the picture. A extra-serving of fuckery)

Oh and please don’t forget to mention the rest of the people who helped to ruin the creative artist process: Dj Khaled, you are NOT the best; Rick Ross, bosses where suits & ties…not track suits, clearly you are the help; T-Pain, you were great when you were underrated, now not so much; and last but not least The many producers who have no creative vision for a song, videos are the short movie for the song. If the song isn’t about prostitution, limit the amount of half-naked women, pimps, and hyper-sexualized themes.

4 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

I just ask that you guys who wonder why little wayne is a really good artist listen to the following songs off the new album..

and my fave

4 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

LOL I left out the word “considered” after ” is” and before “a really good”

4 07 2008
Nick

I have a request.

What are the top ten best hip/hop aka rap songs from the past twenty years.

Helps if they’re available on the iTunes store.

Cheers

4 07 2008
Nick

And why are Nike AF1 considered good/bad. They look like regular trainers to me.

6 07 2008
pam

WOW

I think blaming soulja boy and lil wayne (who shoot me i think has talent) for the downfall of society as we know it is working backwards.

They are symptoms of decades of misplaced priorities and dysfunction. Everyone is to blame and spread the blame net over the past 30 years.

As for BET… follow the money. the sad truth is that crap sells and not just in the black community. this is the era of celebrity for no reason. actresses that cant act, singers that cant sing. We are all responsible.
So called hotness, notoriety, endless pursuit of material posessions ia our nivarna. Why do we expect music not to reflect our values? Why do you expect a corporation to lose money showing programmes that wont be watched. The readers of this board are a minority. And a minority thats still part of the problem.

6 07 2008
Jen

I just want to point out that one of the people that said my girl BEY can’t sing thinks one can harmonize with oneself (AND I KNOW YOU ARE NOT REFERENCING THE RECORDING TECHNIQUE ORIGINATED BY ARETHA FRANKLIN) and the other spoke praises of Lil Wayne.

Can these opinions really be trusted?

I THINK NOT.

7 07 2008
Bianca

People talk about certain artists being the downfall of hip hop (i.e. Lil Wayne..YES I AM A FAN…DON’T GIVE A DAMN WHAT ANYONE THINKS…or Soulja Boy..not my cup of tea but oh well)….but where are these same people when Lupe Fiasco, N.E.R.D.S, The Roots, Talib Kweli, Common and other artists like them when they drop an album? I don’t see these very talented artists selling and being supported as much as the two I mentioned above. It irritates me when judgement is passed on the very things that are not supported!!! “Real Hip Hop” (and I use those terms loosely as some tend to forget what it really means) was about partying and have a good time…bragging on your “crew” and who can do what better. People need to understand that it’s a different generation and it’s a different style. AGAIN…the next time The Roots, Common or any other lyricist drop an album, support ’em. And for the record, Queen Latifah was always garbage….Jay-Z is pushing 40 and can still drop a solid album…can’t say the same for Latifah (I’m talking RAP folks…not singing).

7 07 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ bianca…I went out to the store and BOUGHT both NERD cd’s, Lupe’s first album (didn’t care for the second one), The Roots Things Fall Apart, Common’s BE (someone stole it though), and a few other talented artists.

I’m sure there are a few others that do the same.

I will admit though, its hard to buy these albums when gas prices are so freaking high.

8 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

Pam I have to give you props on that post!!

8 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

I think before you try to down the opinions of others, you should present an actual opinion yourself; but then, I know putting together more than 2 or 3 sentences that make sense is a skill that is developed after the 8th grade.

9 07 2008
Nick

Isn’t anyone gonna give me a top ten?

Okay, I’ll start it off.

Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five – “The Message”

10 07 2008
Shay-d-lady

Thinking of a Master Plan by Eric B and Rakim and Liberation by Outkast.. Im bad by LL Cool J…. Paper Thin by MC Lyte… there are so many, Electric Relaxation by Tribe Coming out Hard by Eight Ball….. I cant narrow it down to 10

10 07 2008
Nick

Cheers for that

Downloading as we speak.

10 07 2008
Sister Toldja

@ Vik- That bothers me (white woman in Chris Brown’s video). A preference for light bright, “Spanish” or White women in videos is not new, but it hurts me more when I see it with artists who are primarily supported by little Black girls. The last thing they need is another reminder of how low the value on Black female beauty is. Then they see a “Bust It Baby” or “Tip Drill” with sisters popping that ass for cash. Sad. I loved Omarion’s song “Touch”, but I was too pissed that he had the classic racially-ambiguous chick dancing around with his little gay ass.

Nick- I think “Coming Out Hard” is DEFINITELY a personal fave of Shady’s and not a widely recognized top 20 classic!!!!!! I will add “Buddy (remix)” by De La Soul f/Tribe, Latifah, Monie Love and the Jungle Brothers as well as KRS-1’s “The Bridge Is Over”, Slick Rick’s “Children’s Story”, Common’s “I Used To Love H.E.R”, The Fugees’ “Fu-Gee-La” and (personal bias picks) Digable Planets’ “Rebirth Of Slick” and De La Soul’s “Stakes Is High”.

10 07 2008
pearlsfrompain

Although I am a rap fan and watch music videos sometimes and even (dare I say) listened to Lil Wayne’s last album, I definitely see where you’re coming from and agree. I’m tryna de-program myself from accepting the BS I once called music though. I disagree with you about Bey, but hey… 🙂

11 07 2008
Nice

ST, I was bumpin that Digable Planets today on my way to work- sound even better now! I was givin you the big up when you poured out liquor the the Common fans late on the boat. Like I said, people love to jump on the bandwagon. I was with him when he was askin to borrow a dollar too.

15 07 2008
kobie

I thought I was the only person who felt that way about Beyonce. She sings in the the key of annoyance!!! I can’t stand the sound of her voice.

28 07 2008
mrspen

i know this is old but THANK YOU!
i’ve had three mini strokes since lil’ wayne’s album came out.

5 08 2008
Samia

Thank you ever so much for this post.

6 08 2008
Samia

I feel guilty for liking that remix of Lollipop with Francisco on it. :*(

17 08 2009
Matt

I agree with you 100% that music videos now and lil wayne are shit hell he hasn’t been good since he was a hotboy and mainstream rap hasn’t been good since the 90’s. Also I agree on the Beyonce thing as fine as she is she can’t sing for shit and maybe its just me but in every add I see her in she looks damn near like a white chick which bothers me because every race has there own beauty and imo light skinned chicks are the most beautiful chicks on the earth sans brazilian chicks(they are lucky enough to have it all) and I(as a white guy) have a problem with making any chick look something they’re not(though in beyonces case that can be disputed).

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