Ralph Nader

27 06 2008

The greatest thing about this political campaign cycle, unique in its having a viable black candidate for the first time ever, is the fact that it’s been white people, not black people, who have been constantly injecting race into the…race.

Hillary and Bill Clinton tacitly injected race into their campaign by comparing Obama’s candidacy to that of Jesse Jackson during the now-infamous South Carolina primary. They did it again when they painted Obama as ‘the black candidate’ in an attempt to rouse Latin vs. Black sentiments in the run up to Nevada. When the Clintons got really desperate, they directly tapped into white fear/hate of Obama by becoming the first campaign in decades to directly aim their appeal at working class whites at the expense of alienating minorities.

Then there were countless other incidents:

  • The ‘terrorist fist bump’ as described by Fox News between Obama and his wife (anybody else think that the date of the fist bump is slowly becoming an unofficial black national holiday?).
  • Various members of the Clinton campaign attributing Obama’s success singularly to his race.
  • Images of Obama in Somali garb that prompted rumors of him being a secret Muslim, with conservative commentators all over the country placing emphasis on his middle name from then on.
  • The Rev. Wright fiasco, with the media conveniently glossing over the fact that he was also a spiritual adviser to the Clintons
  • John McCain, among others, attempting to wheel Obama’s education and oratory ability into an ‘elitist’ label, which is absolute crap. I wish McCain would just cut the bullshit and say what he really means when he says ‘elitist’ – namely, ‘Uppity Nigger’. If Obama were white, no one would be calling him elitist. He’d just be a smart white guy.

But all of the above instances are downright subtle when compared to recent comments made by the man I consider to be the second-most responsible for the shitty state of the country today: Ralph fucking Nader.

Figure 1: Creepy similarities, anyone?

In case you hadn’t heard, Ralph Nader made public comments this week accusing Barack Obama of “talking white” and “appealing to white guilt” in his bid for the White House. Specifically:

“There’s only one thing different about Barack Obama when it comes to being a Democratic presidential candidate. He’s half African-American…Whether that will make any difference, I don’t know. I haven’t heard him have a strong crackdown on economic exploitation in the ghettos. Payday loans, predatory lending, asbestos, lead. What’s keeping him from doing that? Is it because he wants to talk white? He doesn’t want to appear like Jesse Jackson? We’ll see all that play out in the next few months and if he gets elected afterwards.”

Figure 2: Even Jesse Jackson doesn’t want to be Jesse Jackson

According to Nader, Barack Obama shouldn’t be running for President of the United States. Instead, he should be running for President of Stereotypical Black America. Hey Mr. Nader, avoiding talk of payday loans, predatory lending, asbestos and lead is ‘talking white?’ Does this mean that white people don’t ever have to worry about these things and don’t talk about them because the issues don’t affect them? I had no idea that predatory lending was a uniquely black problem, but thanks to Ralph Nader I finally know that us reggins are the only ones dumb enough to succumb to ecomonic exploitation.

Nothing amuses me more than white people that like to pretend there aren’t vast swaths of their own kind all over the country living in poverty and getting their asses handed to them by life on a daily basis.

Figure 3: White people like to pretend she isn’t one of them

Nader quickly followed up his original statement with one even more ridiculous:

“I mean, first of all, the number one thing that a black American politician aspiring to the presidency should be is to candidly describe the plight of the poor, especially in the inner cities and the rural areas, and have a very detailed platform about how the poor is going to be defended by the law, is going to be protected by the law and is going to be liberated by the law…”

Oh how I do love it when people who aren’t black tell black people what they SHOULD be focused on, as if black people don’t know what the fuck it’s like to be black. Thanks, asshole.

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised by any of this. Ralph Nader, like countless other white politicians whose hopes were dashed in the wake of Obama, are very pissed off that a black man was able to successfully run a campaign as something other than ‘the black candidate’. Obama represents the worst nightmare of every white racist prick in this country: a black person whose success cannot even remotely be attributed to affirmative action, preferential treatment, quotas, handicapping of white people, or any other double-edged policies racist fucks use to justify ANY measure of success achieved by black people. Obama is a black man who, by some miracle, has managed to get a large part of the American public to look as his character first and his color second.

Dr. King’s dream is staring racists in the face in a way more real then they could have ever imagined possible, and they are scared to fucking death.

I couldn’t possibly be any happier.

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632 responses

27 06 2008
Jeannie

Massa says, “I know what you darkies need…”

Remember Homie the Clowns sock? Ralph needs a few whacks to the head.

27 06 2008
Dr. J

First!

27 06 2008
Dr. J

Damn it!

27 06 2008
B

the terrorist fist bump was the funniest thing, my sisters and I just kinda stared at the screen and was like da fuck? Really… oh okay.

Stay Classy Fox news.

27 06 2008
Knatural

Hmm, I just knew that The Supreme Court would be friday’s topic.
Why’d I come here while watching The Colbert Report? My ribs hurt. Fig. 3 STOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH…

I thought America was all about pulling yourself up by your boot-straps? So why be mad when our future president has kind of done that? Oh. He’s Black. The level of racism during this election process, I swear…

27 06 2008
naapali

I completely and totally agree with you on this one. Right on, Write on!

27 06 2008
chaoticdiva

Ralph Nader should meet my family. They not only make more money than him, they probably have more education and all have brown skin.

I swear his dumb ass is only running to throw the election.

On another note, fuck Micheal Beasely, he kind of stole my cousin’s spot at K-state after he got injured. Fucker. He’ll never speak English good…NEVER!!!

And no Drew Neitzel? What the hell is wrong with these fuckers? I love my Drew!!!

27 06 2008
TomatoHead

Ralph Nader needs to seriously STF and hopefully have some of McCain’s racist, useless white voters vote for him so as to split the vote. Even I’m praying for that so that Obama can take OVA. 🙂

I love that he’s the Black candidate without being the Black candidate. Obama is my homeboy.

27 06 2008
TomatoHead

And in NBA draft news, two players from my college team were drafted (woo hoo!); one of which is very odd and the other who is a total assmunch and I am incredibly glad is gone from my life.

27 06 2008
Jen

I have heard Black people say the exact same thing Nader said. I had this conversation with a group of people a few months ago, in fact. Clearly, Obama has to reframe or avoid like the plague any issue that disproportionately effects Black people if he wishes to retain any hope of being elected. Who [not working for Fox Network] is going to try to honestly debate that?

But, it clearly isn’t the place of people outside of and/or unfamiliar with our communities to tell Blacks when and how we should discuss what is best for our communities. As a Green Party member, Nader is clearly a tree-hugging, diversity-loving, West Coast type Liberal who feels he is so ONE with any and everything that he has permission to speak freely on subjects like these. I’m sure that the fact that he is technically an “ethnic” grants him even more such permission (you know, in his own mind).

But, I wish he would STFU.

27 06 2008
chaoticdiva

@ Tomatohead…. I felt that way about this one player when i was at MSU…(@ the assmunch comment).

27 06 2008
Murderface

Nader also apparently doesn’t fucking know how to conjugate.

“The poor…is…”? His grammar is worse than his tailoring.

Zing!

27 06 2008
Murderface

Preemptive reply to anyone who points out my failure to bracket the capital “T” above: Shut up.

27 06 2008
bluedoll

Why is Ralph Nader even TALKING?!

And its so good to know that a Black person who knows what the eff they are talking about is still, and will probably forever be, considered to be “talking white”.

Nader, STFU, sit your butt down and go find something else to do.

27 06 2008
Meka

Oh yes, I love it too when white folks tell me what it is to be black. I usually shut them down with the following conversation:

Other person: Well if I were black
I would/wouldn’t [insert dumb shit here]
Me: Well I don’t know how long it has been since the last time you were black but I have been black my whole life. So I am going to go out on a limb & assume that I might know a little more about being black than you do. Now the next time you are black, you feel free to react to [insert whatever the hell we are talking about] however you choose. But right now, leave the acting/reacting to full time black folks.
Shuts them down every time.

As if it weren’t bad enough that Nader fucked up the 2000 election.

27 06 2008
Pocho

If Obama is “talking white”, then that’s gotta be better than talking out your ass like Ralph Nader is doing!

27 06 2008
stuffgirlslike

I like a Ralph Nader rather than the evil trio which surround Obama : George Soros, Zbeigniew Brezinski and Warren Buffett of the Franklin scandal fame.

What if Obama is a MK-Ultra Victim or a manchunian candidate? Zbeigniew Brezinski has been alledged to be a programmer.

Ralph Nader is there to take away the thunder from the constitutional party with his enviromental communism.

http://stuffgirlslike.wordpress.com

27 06 2008
zoso

Finally someone recognizing that these supposed “black only issues” are actually everybody issues. Some BS.

“Nothing amuses me more than white people that like to pretend there aren’t vast swaths of their own kind all over the country living in poverty and getting their asses handed to them by life on a daily basis.”

Yep.

27 06 2008
Esquire

Nader also apparently doesn’t fucking know how to conjugate.

Poor conjugation?? ARGUMENT NULL AND VOID. You know the rules. Bad grammar=dummy. Remember the last President who couldnt say nuclear or conjugate his verbs, all while putting prepositions at the end of every other sentence. Damn read a 6th grade english book before you run for president.

“If Obama were white, no one would be calling him elitist. He’d just be a smart white guy.”
Comment of the day.

27 06 2008
Cola

I can’t stand Nader. All he ever does is pop up during election time. How in the hell is he gonna dictate what Obama should be fighting for as “a black man”? So suddenly he isn’t black enough because he isn’t fighting against payday loans?! I guess the war in Iraq and high gas prices are only a white issue..

27 06 2008
Lindsay

I’m on the fence on this one. Well, not on the fence, but I can see both sides of the coin.

On one hand, my initial reaction was, “here’s another white person telling black folks what to do/think. STFU.”

On the other, like Jen said, what Nader said isn’t really much different than what I’ve heard other black folks saying. And in truth, Barack Obama IS separating himself from Jesse’s 1984 run and the civil rights clan, and rightly so. Jesse’s history in the civil rights movement and his focus on the welfare of poor blacks is what cost him the nomination anyway (among other things, I’d imagine).

The “talking white” thing was a poor choice of words and eclipsed his message. His race and history of running losing campaigns did, too.

27 06 2008
Lindsay

Oh, and so did the “I know what’s best for you people” attitude.

27 06 2008
8th Wonder

Nader who??

27 06 2008
klysha

Excellent post….The true colors of Ralph Nader finally come out….he’s just as racist as the rest of them…Anybody who can still say that racism is dead in America after this race is deaf and blind and has rocks for brains….

27 06 2008
Esquire

Jesse’s focus on civil rights did hurt him, but more than that, the facts that Jesse only shows up when the cameras are on, and the man invented his own entire language hurt him. Jesse Jackson is also not loved and supported by every black person, at least not educated ones. THATS why he wasnt successful.

There’s only one side to this coin. How dare he assume that to speak intelligently is to “talk white.” What is “talking black?” What does he mean focus on black issues? Poverty and crime are EVERYONE’S issues. (refering to Fig. 3)

To me, the only blacks accusing Obama of not addressing “black” issues are those who are “scared” to support him. They dont want to support him because of his skin. “That is so wrong.” WAKE UP. Whites do this all the time, and this election, they will prove that. Really, NONE of the other candidates have touched on the issues that Nader mentioned…including him. Why is Obama expected to totally ignore the economy, the environment, and the Iraq War because he is black?

The problem with Nader’s logic is that THOSE “white” issues are OUR issues as well. If the economy tanks, are blacks not affected? If the Earth overheats, I guess its not important to blacks, we will somehow survive?? Huh? Why are OUR issues limited to crime, abortion, and poverty? Is that the only we are supposed to be concerned with because we are all pregnant criminals and poor as hell? So we “gots” to do better?? I am extremely offended by that notion. Education is not a concern to us?? Women’s rights and equality dont affect BLACK women???

FUCK HIM. I cant wait for him to take 2% of McCain’s votes. Not that it matters, because I think Obama will have a bigger percantage than that anyway.

27 06 2008
Laurel

@Lindsay. I totally agree. Nader should STFU. But everyone is silently thinking what he said. Everybody knows that Obama would lose most of his white voters the minute he starts talking about issues that disproportionately affect black Americans — except if he’s lecturing black men on being bad/absent fathers or some other Bill Cosby type shyt that warms the hearts of white people.
There are some people who are waiting with bated breath for that one moment they can point and say: “AHA!!! He IS one of THOSE blacks.”

27 06 2008
Laurel

I don’t think Nader meant talking white in the traditional sense. I think he meant that Obama is pandering to whites.

27 06 2008
PrettyPiscesGirl

Ralph Nader…forever a bridesmaid, never a bride. He never has a chance in hell anyway…but he’s salty as F*CK that a black man does.
See, even so called white “liberals” still see us (the talented ones) as lesser than they are…like “y’all can play, but don’t forget we still run this”…

27 06 2008
Esquire

Is that the only we are supposed to be concerned with because we are all pregnant criminals and poor as hell?

Should read: Are those the only things we are supposed to…

I was emotional…sorry. lol

Fuck Nader and Bob Johnson

27 06 2008
vitazza

letter to Ralph
Poor Mr. Nader,
Sucks to be an asswipe in politics huh?
We thank you for pushing for safty regulations in our cars like seatbelts and airbags. I appreciate all that you have done for the American public but I must now ask you to fall the fuck back and stfu. I do not need a person outside of my race telling me of the problems I and/or any black person has that needs addressing???

Ya know, I have also heard Black people say the same things about Obama. What Nader and others I guess refuse to see is when you are running for President of the United States you have to or should embrace the “United” in the US

27 06 2008
Bassey

It’s true that black people have had similar conversations about Obama, however, what people don’t seem to realize is that Obama is running exactly the sort of campaign he’s supposed to be running. Obama will be the FIRST black president, THE FIRST can not afford to be a polarizing candidate. White people in this country irrationally fear that a black President will somehow decide to retroactively punish all whites for slavery and Jim Crow and lynching and country line dancing. White people are scared. Obama needs to be exactly who he is. Perhaps the 5th and 6th Black Presidents will come out on a platform “I’m Blacker than Black I’m like Black, y’all!” But Obama can not and should not be the President. He’s proven time and time again that he is for the people. He’s proven time and time again that he’s black and that he cares for his people. He made a conscious choice to seek out and embrace his “black side”. How many biracial people, raised fully by their white side have gone out of their way to do the same? It is “easier” in some respects for him to have come out and Clarence Thomas his way to the top but he actively chose not to. My ex-boyfriend is a Harvard Law graduate and he basically based on his degree wrote his own ticket in life. He wanted to go back and help the children (he does to a lesser degree) but decided he needed to pay off those loans and went corporate. Barrack, again CHOSE, to be come a community organizer on the southside of Chicago. He and Michelle JUST paid off their student loans.
What does this man have to do? he vacillates between too black and scary and not black enough depending on what white person you speak to. Let the man live. This is historic and the ramifications of his presidency will be felt far beyond “the ghettos” that Ralph Nader is concerned about. Think about the ghetto child, raised by his mother, on the assisted lunch program, whose horizons have been broadened beyond the scope of his imagination because Barrack Obama is in office. That to me, what he he has done for the psyche of black people, is far more important than whether or not he he is currently (who knows what he will do in office), speaking out about Eastern Motors (Your jobs your credit) or whatever the hell.

And for fuck’s sake, if Ralph Nader is so concerned about these things, stop fucking up elections and go to Southeast or Bedstuy or Watts and get to work. Do some community building your damn self.

Whew!
Sorry. I’ll go back to lurking.
Chris, this was an absolutely stellar post and beautifully written.

27 06 2008
Esquire

Cosign with Bassey…going to work

27 06 2008
Bassey

Wow. I sincerely apologize for the length of that post. I didn’t realize how much I was thinking about it. I’ll keep it short from now on.

Also, how do you get an avatar? I suppose I’m here to stay I should make my place look pretty.

27 06 2008
JaBe

Isn’t it funny how “talking white” means different things depending on the race of the person who said it?

Nader claiming Sen. Obama is talking white= I haven’t heard him have a strong crackdown on economic exploitation in the ghettos. Payday loans, predatory lending, asbestos, lead. What’s keeping him from doing that? Is it because he wants to talk white?

Non white person claiming a black person is “talking white”= the ability to conjugate a verb.

And what’s up with Sen. Obama being half African-American?!? This isn’t the 1st time I’ve heard this during this election process. Far too many commentators have said that Sen. Obama’s not giving credence or credit to his white heritage; moreso the people that raised him. WTF?!? Last I checked, he’s black; not by my standards, but theirs.

27 06 2008
JaBe

I also co-sign with Bassey; well said.

27 06 2008
Lindsay

@Bassey –

Go to gravatar.com

27 06 2008
Lindsay

and also cosign Bassey

27 06 2008
JaBe

Esquire: your additional comment…hilarious.

27 06 2008
Landon

JESSE is a Civil Rights Leader for black people

Obama is a politican for AMERICANS (of all races)

They are not the same. Obama has to repersent everyones rights including people who dont like him. He has to do whats best for our country.

27 06 2008
Dom

“Obama represents the worst nightmare of every white racist prick in this country: a black person whose success cannot even remotely be attributed to affirmative action, preferential treatment, quotas, handicapping of white people, or any other double-edged policies racist fucks use to justify ANY measure of success achieved by black people.”

True THAT! Whenever you hear about a successful black person, the first thing white people want to talk about is affirmative action. I’m proud of Obama because he is single-handedly turning the stereotype on its head and proving that it CAN be done without any of the above. There is nothing more frightening to white people than a black man or woman decked out in a suit and walking like they mean business.

27 06 2008
Dom

@stuffgirlslike “What if Obama is a MK-Ultra Victim or a manchunian candidate? Zbeigniew Brezinski has been alledged to be a programmer.”

And what exactly would you call our current president? He is a drone if I ever saw one! We all know Dick Cheney’s evil bhind is pulling the puppet strings!

With John McCain mirroring Bush’s failed policies (in um, everything) and the fact that he has proven he will do damn near anyhting to get elected, I can only assume that he’s the Conservative Machine’s 2nd Manchurian candidate this decade alone!

27 06 2008
Ayo

These posts talking about: “I have heard Black people say the exact same thing Nader said.” vex me.

Why if someone black says something (particularly something ig’nent) does it have to be forgiven by any one white who echos the sentiment? I mean… stupidity defies skin color.

27 06 2008
creativecat

First of all, Faux News hates Obama cause he’s a liberal–not cause he’s black. “Liberal” is a much greater insult than the n-word to them.

Second of all, Ralph Nader won’t be happy until the whole country is covered in bubble wrap and we’re all wearing football helmets and knee pads. Cause we’re all so dumb we need the government to take care of us. Sorry, I wear my seatbelt cause I don’t want to die in a car accident–not cause it’s the law.

27 06 2008
Esquire

Good point Landon. But Jesse isnt even a true Civ Rights Leader. Not for me anyway. He and al Sharpton do a lot of shuckin and jivin.

I dont think its a secret that I try to mention my strong dislike for Bob Johnson. I didnt think I could dislike him any more until he goes on a rampage during the democratic primaries. I hope his daughter gets pregnant by one of the Ying Yang twins. Then he can see the black community he has helped to create by constantly stuffing rap videos and nonsense down our youths throats.

Teen Summit, BET News, Tavis Smiley and other news shows on that network all died under his watch. He and Nader probably go golfing together. HAving money does not equate to having morals or any sense.

27 06 2008
Yonnie3k

Bassey – please don’t lurk. You’re hilarious! “I’m Blacker than Black I’m like Black, y’all!” How much will someone give me to say this in a staff meeting today? When I read it, I imagined someone doing a little soft shoe jig.

27 06 2008
Not_Shaniqua

Nader is an Asshole for sure. And I beleve he might closet racist, these comments are stupid.

It is also sad that he does have a audience who listens to him and just might believe some of the things he says. Nader is runinng to fuc up the race to the white house.

27 06 2008
Not_Shaniqua

Yonnie3K I will give you 2 dollars to catch the bus to the Employment office. becasue I know you just might have a pink slip and a cardbord box at your desk after you do that. The Unemployment line Awaits You! LOL

27 06 2008
blackberry molasses

co-sign whoever said they hope he becomes a spoiler for the Republican party… its time is assinine behavior fucked their party over for once.

27 06 2008
JaBe

I LOVED Teen Summit!!
Kudos to Sen. Obama as he’s ALWAYS a class act. The donation of $4600 that he and his wife gave speaks to who they are. It it were me I wouldn’t give Over-the-Hillary a dime. I’m curious to see how the history books will tell the story of the Clinton campaign. Will it gloss over all of the shady shenanigans?

Is it me or does it sound robotic when Sen. Clinton says ” help to elect Barack Obama as our next President”? I mean watching her speech several weeks ago and hearing her speak yesterday, her flow is nice until she says that particular line; it’s almost like a recording being played.

27 06 2008
Bassey

“I LOVED Teen Summit!!”
Um… do I lose or gain cool points if I admit I used to be a possemember?

27 06 2008
Ayo

Leave Jesse and Al alone…
They have been working for the people in ways many of us will not , shall not and cannot.
Perhaps we don’t like how they do it.
Perhaps they don’t respesent us in the ways we would like.
Perhaps the perm on males died in the 70’s, HOWEVER…. these men are respected globally and are then subsequently given coon status by Blacks in America.
I repsect their hustle and the idealogy behind their movements.
I respect that they have tried to remain relevent despite character attacks admist personal life blunders.
Who can really say that they do not stand on the accomplishments of people like Al and Jesse? In the words of SBPH: Get the fuck out of here with that crap.
I could give a shit if Al evaded taxes or stoop up for the wrong person. At least he is standing for something.

27 06 2008
Landon

Nadar’s Comments aren’t Ignorant because he brings up some valid points. But his points are misdirected just like anyone (black or white) who says Obama does not talk about the HOOD!!! He is not running for city council repersenting a cetain block in an urban dwelling. He is trying to repersent the entire country, which this might be a shock to people is more then Black and White. We are talking about a complex social structure which goes beyond pookie’s hood and Buffy’s picket white fence. He has to appeal to the masses (that vote). Obama was poor at one time but his strength is in his education , understanding of people and their dreams (of this country). I would like for him to speak more on Urban issues but not with a racial divide. Because an improvement in education and a reduction in crime would benefit EVERYONE. He has to keep his message centered and embed our urban (black concerns within that message). Its like the Sean Bell Case (Yes his color was a factor but lets look at the bigger picture. if we do not monitor the polices actions carefully are we not becoming a police state! I would have argued it could have been anyones son regardless of color but GOOD ol BIG WORM decided to beat the good ol RACE war drum), Its like a lil kid pointing out every time a car passes look car car car, i know already tell me something new. .) Obama is not going to be the “BLACK” Savior. I do hope he will be “America’s Savior”.
🙂 peace

27 06 2008
Ayo

And I don’ t think Naders comments are ignorent… just that often times whites latch on to ignorent comments from blacks to back up their views, but that being said…
I do think Obama is striving to be ‘America’s Savior’ Landon… you should really contact his campain headquarters with that moniker.

27 06 2008
Landon

AYO:

none of us aer saying Jesse and Al are “BAD” Men…

I think we are tired of them always being interviewed by fox, cnn and NBC as if they are our VOICE. They are not our voice and to be honest i think times have passed them. TO be honest its time for us to SHUT UP, and just do what we have to do because nothing is going to be given to us no matter how much we YELL FROM THE ROOF TOPS. we need to evolove our approach and work on internal imporvement. Build out communities because no one is going to do it for us. We need to BUY our communities and support them. Not let Al and jesse speak for us.

27 06 2008
Landon

A black man can not call him self the AMERICA’s SAvior…

27 06 2008
Landon

THAT WOULD GET HIM SHOT!

27 06 2008
Saun

My favorite thing to do to the racist-Nader-types is to wait till they go on a “black man” rant and then interject with “But you know his mother is white right?” It fucks with them every time. They don’t know how to deal with that concept cause hating on Obama is partially like hating on themselves. Try it one day and see how they’re heads almost explode trying to calculate where to place their anger then. HILARIOUS!

27 06 2008
Ayo

why not?

27 06 2008
Saun

And can I just say that my secret prayer at night is that Obama will get Colin Powell to be his VP.

27 06 2008
Shay-d-lady

Nadar’s comments are ignorant because as a politician that has run several campaigns he knows that “He is not running for city council repersenting a cetain block in an urban dwelling.” he knows exactly what it is to run an election on the national level. So when he said that he knew full well what he was doing, trying to scare white people and trying to attach the “uncle Tom” label to O’bama in the black community. Nadar is a racist asshole.

27 06 2008
Bassey

Landon your comments on Al and Jesse are spot on!

27 06 2008
Ayo

@ Landon… Jesse and Al don’t speak for me.. AT ALL.
Yes, they are a dated voice.
And YES I agree that we need to evolve from inside out (communites and beyond) and I practice this in my daily life – (ie Im not from the hood, however I teach there, I provide community service there, I build projects for youth to uplift, etc. )
And YES, It troubles me that CNN and the like seek out Al and Jesse for interviews to no end, because what does that really mean? It means that ‘they’ think that they still speak for the collective ‘BLACK’ voice. It means that ‘they’ think there is no one else valid enough to speak to. It means that regardless of what ever dynamic leaders that are rising up around the nation, they are being stiffled by leadership of the past. It means that whatever voice Al and Jesse use, ‘they’ like, cause it aint working, so they keep ‘listing’ to it.
My point in regards to Al and Jesse is that they have dedicated a LIFE to their particular struggle ‘civil rights’ and must be celebrated for that…
But they MUST pass the torch dammit. unfortunatley it is going to have to be passed back to the community instead of a ‘great voice’ as history has dictated in the past.

27 06 2008
Omar

A white guy (or whatever Nader is) telling black people how to be black is like a cat telling a fish how to swim the shit doesn’t work.

As he has to have a broad outlook, talk to you mayor or city council members about payday loans and liquor stores. I’m tired of black people talking that shit too, so what the man isn’t like your favorite activist. You favorite activist wouldn’t get this far, presidents do what presidents do and activists do what activists do, end of story.

Besides the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action and welfare are WHITE WOMEN!!!

27 06 2008
Landon

AYO:

There are MANY OTHER VOICES OUT THERE… REV CALVIN BUTTS III comes to Minds Travis SMIley and MANY MANY MORE…

buts its like the RADIO – they play the same damn 8 songs even though there is better music out there dyign to be heard, but those who control the airways who happen to be very RICH WHITE people play the same damn tunes….

WHY DO WE NEED A LEADER? who is the leader of the Chinese Americans? Jewish AMericans? Itialian AMericans? East Indian Americans? Why are we the only ones WHO NEED A LEADER to speak for us.

WE need politcal pac(t)s, lobbyists firms and funded thinktanks.

27 06 2008
Omar

The old civil rights guard has become self-serving and have been for a while, a whole lot of them jumped ship when Dr. King started speaking out about the Vietnam War.

I especially hate Andrew Young with his “Clinton bedding black women” comment. You mean to tell me that the image that you present as appealing to black people is a white guy running through black women left and right and not a responsible black man who MARRIED a black woman.

FUCK ANDREW YOUNG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

27 06 2008
Landon

CRABS in BUCKET is out LIFE STORY

27 06 2008
Omar

I also think that Ralph Nader is purposely trying to sabotage the Democrats he should not be listened to …. EVER!

27 06 2008
Ayo

@ Landon: There are great voices alive. Void of skin color. But the idea of a black collective leader died with the birth of the internet. Which is why I said that the torch is unfortunatley it is going to have to be passed back to the community instead of a ‘great voice’ as history has dictated in the past.

27 06 2008
Knatural

TEEN SUMMIT! Kick the truth, to the young black youth, TEEN SUMMIT!

27 06 2008
Mrs. Kennedy

I’m still mad at Jesse for that outside kid he had a few years ago. . .

27 06 2008
Landon

Eventhough i balme him for BUSH 2000!

Nadar has been always fighting for the little guy and for the people who can not speak for themselves. From mandatory baby seats in cars to True Comsumer Advocacy. He has fought for the little people his whole adult life. So to blanket him a racists just because he is questioning our candidates position is not correct. EVerything is no race based. I am sure ifhe was a White Devoted Chrisitan and he was not talkign abotu evangles position in politics one could make the same argument.

We have to be careful who, how and when we use the Race card. Nadar is an inteligent man who knows more about politcs than i will ever know, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt.

27 06 2008
Cola

@ Ayo

Until Obama who was willing to take the torch? Even now is anyone else going to step up to the plate?!

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

for the record.. im lazy today and dont feel like reading about today’s topic but i will anyway because i have nothign else to do…

Carry on…

27 06 2008
Omar

@Landon – Nader has done a lot in the past but so has Jesse at this point he is a lot less relevant and some of the things that he is doing is obviously self-serving and not for the greater good.

27 06 2008
Ayo

@ Cola: Obama took up the torch for righteousness, not to be the black voice. But I bet that he and Michelle whisper “Power to the People!” in each others ear late a night when nobody is listening.

27 06 2008
DJ Fusion/FuseBox Radio

Just ran into your site not too long ago…definitely interesting writing and articles up on here (much less the comments section).

I’m feeling you on Nader and a lot of these other folks coming out the woodwork as of late with these asides about Obama.

It seems like folks are more mad at Obama knowing how to play the game of politics – not just as well, but BETTER then the old school cats who though they were entitled to the youth and Black votes and/or misguided worship here in the States.

I truly think no one from that Baby Boom generation expected a Black Man in their lifetime (much less one who the worst thing they can pin on him so far is speaking well and being educated a.ka. Uppity Negro Deluxe/Talented 10th syndrome – surprise suprise * sarcasm *) to actually be taken seriously as a presidential candidate.

Much less one who is younger then them, (so far) seems to have a solid family structure and gets apolitical folks to back him up who they thought were in pocket (Oprah and such).

One example out of many: him still riding the tide after the DNC went all weak-kneed and did that comprimise bullshit with the Michagan and Florida votes, much less the Clintonian flip-flopping on what consituted a win from superdelagates to popular vote.

I am not one of these folks who think Obama is the Second Coming at all (he is still a politican and needs to be held up to standards), but you have to be a severe asshat to think his potential to at least try to not run this country more into the ground is lesser to a dude like McCain.

Sorry for my e-babbling…quiet day at the job.

Check a sis out: http://www.BlackRadioIsBack.com

27 06 2008
Bassey

I think Ralph Nader has become a victim of his own press packet. People told him for years that he was the voice of the people and a great alternative to the status quo and blah blah blah consumer advocate a doo dah!
He’s a nuisance.

27 06 2008
maya

The thing that has been the untimely demise of black folk is the fact that the community waits for a messiah. Perhaps it’s because we have a tradition of leadership (which was appropriate for the covert Operation Liberate Slaves), and we were obviously spoiled by Malcolm, Martin, and the BPP. Now that they’re gone, black folk have sat on their hands wondering, “I wonder whose next?” “Someone needs to say something.” You don’t see any other groups waiting like us. Until black people realize that the community is equipped to do major things, we’re fucked.

27 06 2008

“I guess I shouldn’t be surprised by any of this. Ralph Nader, like countless other white politicians whose hopes were dashed in the wake of Obama, are very pissed off that a black man was able to successfully run a campaign as something other than ‘the black candidate’. Obama represents the worst nightmare of every white racist prick in this country: a black person whose success cannot even remotely be attributed to affirmative action, preferential treatment, quotas, handicapping of white people, or any other double-edged policies racist fucks use to justify ANY measure of success achieved by black people. Obama is a black man who, by some miracle, has managed to get a large part of the American public to look as his character first and his color second.

Dr. King’s dream is staring racists in the face in a way more real then they could have ever imagined possible, and they are scared to fucking death.

I couldn’t possibly be any happier.”

Let the church say amen. I have been saying this since the beginning of this year.

Good day black people!

27 06 2008
vitazza

Hey there Bassey,
I see ya and co-sign you..
If you open a wordpress account you can login and create a avitar and track your comments…..you just may or may not be able to login to wordpress via your mobile phone.

27 06 2008
Cola

Maya, I agree

27 06 2008
Esquire

We ALL know they whisper Power to the People lol. They dont have to. I whisper in my head everytime my law firm hires a black clerk, everytime Obama won or even got close in a primary. lol I whispered it when Halle got her Oscar.

I agree that Jesse and Al have done a lot of good for the people, and that they are human and allowed to make mistakes. I DO take issue that they are considered “our leaders” These men, today, dont represent me.

Al and Jesse protest the Confederate Flag in SC, but where are they when we march to have equal funding in our BLACK school districts? Has anyone SEEN Corrider of Shame?? Its embarrassing? I just wish these men would be more vocal about things THAT TRULY MATTER. Not things that have a lot of camera access. I wondered if Al was truly enraged by Sean Bell’s shootings, or if he was there cause there was a lot of publicity.

He called for Don Imus’ firing but says NOTHING about the news networks that degrade black women on a daily basis. I mean that may not be as newsworthy…maybe thats why. Thats MY issue with those men

27 06 2008
Landon

why is he a racist if all he is asking where is OBAMA urabn policy plan… If Nadar was black what would you say.. WE have to be careful with this blanket statement. Nadar is right about Rent to BUy and Pay Loan scams that only exsist in Urban or Poor Areas. He has some valid points the question is why doesnt he ask McCain the same question. Both candidates should have to answer the problems of URBAN AMerica not just OBama and that is were his argument (nadar) is flawed.

27 06 2008
Landon

Speaking of of the CONFEDERATE FLAG… i hate the RACE ARGUMENT on this issue… YES WE KNOW KNOW>>>> but the CIvil war was not about slavery… It just happened to be the most visual and clear issue. You dont have to remind me what the Confederate flag repersents. But our argument to AMerica should not be the racial undertones of the Flag rather the ANTI-AMERICAN setiment the Flag repersents. They wanted to become an independent country or the UNITED STATES. They no longer loved America and wanted to make their own. The flag is a sign of TREASON and is disrespectful to all Americans because when they fly that FLAG they are saying they do not want to be a part of this country. By leveraging the argument so ALl americans are outraged by this flag is the quickest way you will have the flag taken down. That should be the argument.

27 06 2008
Monie

As Jen alluded to Ralph Nader is an Arab-American. So why doesn’t he discuss issues that affect Arab-Americans and Arabs in general?

Shouldn’t he be discussing how Arab-Americans, hundreds if not thousands were arrested illegally in the U.S. after 9/11? Or Palistine, or Osama Bin Laden?

He’s not even following his own advice.

27 06 2008
Landon

CHRIS:

We need to make this into video segments… we record clips… get our point accros via web….

and we can start of with the chapelle clip.. HATE HATE HATE HATE!

27 06 2008
Landon

I did not know he was Arab American… REALLY ????? WOW.

27 06 2008
Knatural

Damn Landon. I’ve been telling folks this for yrs.: the Confederate flag is treasonous, not racist. But who cares!

27 06 2008
Ayo

Landon… you’re up in arms today, huh? go boy.

27 06 2008
Bassey

@Landon…
I have a complete and totally internet crush on you now. If you were on Facebook, i’d spend a lot of time poking you.

Um…no pedo.

I cosign EVERYTHING you said.

27 06 2008
Knatural

Nader may be Arab/Lebanese descent, but in the States, they check ‘White’. He’s White by most accounts.

27 06 2008
Landon

its just sometimes there is no need to voice the obvious….

to make a convincing argument is like teaching lil kids…

you have to connect with them on their level on how sometime changes their life… if not they will not give a damn.

27 06 2008
Omar

White people assuming they know what it means to act black as if there is only one way to be black or as if we were all the same is a little racist. e is not immune just because we like certain things about him no different than Bill Clinton.

When black people say it they are closer to being sell-outs because they are accepting white stereotypes about us.

27 06 2008
Landon

on the facebook group bassey

27 06 2008
Monie

Landon,

The Confederate flag may have not started out as a symbol of racial hatred but during the civil rights revolution of the 1960’s southern Whites co-opted it and used it as just that, a symbol of racial hatred and racism.

27 06 2008
Ayo

HEHEHE @ Knatural… Yes. they do check white! A girl friend of mine is Egyptian and her childs father is black, and she had them check White on his birth certificate, ‘because they go off of the mother’s race’ lol.

27 06 2008

I don’t know if i feel his statement was racist, but I do feel like he is picking.

Issues in the black community have been ignored for how long? (ha! dont get me started) So why wouldn’t direct this towards both candidates?

If america is ready to nominate an african american president then it is definately time for our country to shape up and take care of all people. Will Obama clean up the black community? I doubt it, but him doing what he is doing has already started something in our community that the white man will never understand.

Obama is a good man, a very intelligent man. I believe when he is in office he is not going to just tackle “black people” issues. He is smart enough to know where our issues lie and that there is a whole country that needs changing. If he were to only be addressing “black people” issues then that would be a problem. He is helping the black community just by running for president and getting this far.

Let’s please help him get further.

27 06 2008
Landon

What else would they use they were in the south and they feel the confederate flag was they symbol and it was southern states fighting the courts and equal trreatment. BUt the flag was not created for Racial reasons… Confederate flag is more about STATE RIGHTS more so then anythign else it just happens the States wanted to hold us down…. I know there are Racila overtones and undertones with the confederate flag but in reality its a sign of TREASON…

as i also believe the TEXAS State flag should not fly above the USA’s flag… Texas was its own country at one time and i think that is also a treasonous sign.

27 06 2008
Jen

@Esquire

“To me, the only blacks accusing Obama of not addressing “black” issues are those who are “scared” to support him. They dont want to support him because of his skin.”

Okay, excuse me, good sir, but that is a DAMN LIE.

I didn’t support Barack Obama for a long time and it was not “because of his skin” it was because I didn’t trust his ass. We probably have not heard more than an hour’s worth of genuine sound bites from the man in his entire campaign.

His whole shit is so completely transparent to me. It echoes way too many socialist themes for it to just be a coincidence–and you KNOW socialists from Castro to Hitler have been masters of propaganda. My personality type can’t buy into the political posters and the catchphrases and the thought that HOPE will save the economy and bring the children back from Iraq. And I got sick of watching him bend over backward to dance for white America (especially during the Rev. Wright fiasco–you and me and every other Black person in America knows that what Wright said is pretty par to norm among a certain generation of Black people in this country).

It isn’t that Obama campaigns for ALL OF AMERICA that gets me, it is that he intentionally avoids making a stance on issues which disproportionately effect the Black community EVEN AS his impending election is being marked as THE watershed for race relations in this country. He will NOT give a straight answer–and yes, he has been asked about these issues in a straightforward fashion!!

As I mentioned before, I realize that he has to be this way in order to be elected. But, you know what that tells me?

THAT NOW ISN’T THE TIME FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT.

Yes, I know nobody’s trying to hear that. But, I have to question whether something gained so dishonestly means anything at all… To me, Obama’s impending election doesn’t mean much of anything. It’s a higher-stakes incarnation of the mask that so many middle class Black Americans wear to gain acceptance in mainstream society on a day to day basis. That white people accept us when we are pretending doesn’t say a damn thing about race relations in this country.

NEVERTHELESS, I hopped on the Obama bandwagon last week, and did so for one reason and one reason only: MY GRANDMA.

She is damn near 90 and said she thought she would never live to see the day that a Black man became president. So, I decided that despite all my hesitations about Obama, I would vote for the man in honor of her and the thousands of other elderly Black people in this country who have been through hell and back just trying to be American…you know, the same folks who would go to see Thurgood Marshall speak just to see a white man call a Black man “sir”.

At the end of the day, my stance fit the opposite of what Esquire described.

I didn’t support Barack Obama because of who he was as a candidate. But, now, that I am, I am supporting him “because of his skin”.

27 06 2008
Danger Mouse

@ Jen,

I 100% agree with your post!

Back in Obama’s early running days, MOST blacks would not give him the time of day. They figured he didn’t have enough experience or just wasn’t “black enough”. Nader is somewhat repeating those sentiments expressed by some blacks earlier back in the day of Obama’s campaign, before he began to be taken more seriously.

It amazes me that Jet magazine published a cover story this past April that says something to the effect of “Is Obama our first real black presidential candidate” or “He’s the one” or something like that. I’m like, are you serious? Where were you a few months ago? Why did it take this long to give him proper recognition?

I definitely support Barack 100% but one of the things that saddens me about his campaign the most is the initially low and somewhat inconsistent level of support of his campaign among some in the black community.

Heck even Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton wouldn’t give their proper support and respect to Obama until fairly recently. Was Jesse a little jealous given the failure of his own presiential hopeful campaign back in ’84? Then he shouldn’t have made those racist comments about the Jews, which caused him lose it!

And I’m not defending Ralph’s dumb-ass comments in the least with this comment. I mean, his comments are insanely offensive to all people, not just blacks. As if payday loans and predatory lending are exclusively our problem. Hello, they’re problems for all Americans, although they do disproportionately affect our community.

But Nader’s a racist idiot and is trying to ruin this campaign for the Democrats just like he did in 2000, which caused Al Gore to lose. If Nader doesn’t STFU soon, he’s gonna cause another Republican win this year, just like he caused 8 years ago.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

I love Esquire today.

27 06 2008

ummmm ::cough:: landon has an e- boo already!!! hahaha

27 06 2008
JaBe

Bassey, I like your avatar. As for being a former Posse member an additional 10 points have been added to your account.

Chris: I’m on entry 60 on that blog you mentioned yesterday. I nearly peed my pants when I read entry 21~ I love Augusta with Tyrell and Jamel tied for 2nd place.

27 06 2008
Ayo

I am expecting a SBPH post to Jen any minute now.

27 06 2008
Monie

Basically the Arab-American candidate Ralph Nader is just doing what the Clintons did and trying to paint Obama as only a candidate for Black Americans.

27 06 2008
imaG

Lol fuck ralph nader is all imma say

http://www.anythingblack.net

27 06 2008
Monie

Landon,

I agree; flying the Confederate flag is the height of treasonous behavior. It, the flag, has a dual meaning. That’s all I’m saying.

27 06 2008
Jen

Uh…Danger Mouse. I think you spoke too soon. You may want to clarify you meant my first comment. Because I am definitely one of those who gave/give the “initially low and somewhat inconsistent level of support”.

27 06 2008
Monie

By the way, the real Danger Mouse is cute. 🙂

27 06 2008
Landon

I can’t understand her argument…But when is the last time a candidate really laid down a concrete plan for any issue? He has some socialist ideas but our goverment id a free capital system cloaking a socialist frame (NATIONAL BANK CONTROLING INTEREST RATES)… to be honest its the seante and house that brings legislation to the floor. A president is a LEADER someone who can make his people believe in their country. HOPE Is strong and where hope exist anything is possible. A president is more a label for people to stand behind and right now our label is STEEL RESERVE (malt Liquor) when we were Grey Goose not to long ago. Obama’s approach is about changing our label with the world and within. NO one else had any concrete idea that made me say hmmmmm… but i understand a president is about making his peopel beleive. JFK was not a great president because he wrote and ushered new legislation (hell Adam Clayton and Rockfellar) were responsible for that… JFK was a great president because he made people believe in AMERICA and her ideals… and that is the difference OBAMA will make us say hey lets make AMERICA numeber 1 again…

27 06 2008
Ayo

@ Jen:
In the great words of Malcolm X
“Our people have made the mistake of confusing the methods with the objectives. As long as we agree on objectives, we should never fall out with each other just because we believe in different methods, or tactics, or strategy. We have to keep in mind at all times that we are not fighting for separation. We are fighting for recognition as free humans in this society.”

27 06 2008
Landon

meant to say i do understand… but disagree

27 06 2008
Landon

going to lunch… anyone want anything 😉

27 06 2008
Danger Mouse

@ figure # 3 in Chris’ post…baby barf!!!

27 06 2008
Laurel

Jen — that was the truth.

27 06 2008
Roger

@Jen,

So WHEN, exactly, would be a good or great time for a Black president? Some time in the year 2371 when the United Federation of Planets is at war with the Dominion?

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

“There’s only one thing different about Barack Obama when it comes to being a Democratic presidential candidate. He’s half African-American…Whether that will make any difference, I don’t know. I haven’t heard him have a strong crackdown on economic exploitation in the ghettos. Payday loans, predatory lending, asbestos, lead. What’s keeping him from doing that? Is it because he wants to talk white? He doesn’t want to appear like Jesse Jackson? We’ll see all that play out in the next few months and if he gets elected afterwards.”

all i can say is WOW….when will ppl learn that all black ppl dont =jesse fucking jackson or long winded al sharpton or 40 oz of OE(even thought i did enjoy one lastnight ahhaha) GODDDAMMMIIITTT…

and then Nadar had the nerve to ask why Obama doesnt have is attention on the ghetto which basiclly means why arent you looking out for you people because everrrrrryyone knows only black ppl live in section 8…rolls eyes…

FUCK NADAR AND HIS MANBITCH ASSS!!!! grrr…

for the record im tired of ppl saying i talk white…its not my fault that i was raised to talk proper english and went to good ass schools growing up and lived in the suburbs. Dont hate cuz you talk like a damn slave or some 70’s pimp. fuck outta here…

The End…i actually have to work today…adios!

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

The real danger mouse is a cartoon. But I agree he was pretty cute in the cartoon with that eyepatch. Eyepatches make you sexxy

27 06 2008
Danger Mouse

Good point Jen!

I meant to clarify that I was supporting your first post!

And I also wanted to add that Nader has made some great strides and advancements for consumers but that doesn’t excuse interjecting himself into this campaign and potentially causing Obama to lose some potential votes/voters. He already made that mistake in 2000 for Al Gore. That is my main problem with Ralph – that he’ll potentially cause another Democratic campaign upset like he did 8 years ago. I don’t think he’s really racist however.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Yea, is there anyone on this site who hasn’t been accused of ‘sounding white’ at least once. That should be the name of our family. We don’t talk white just because we can speak english, damnit!

27 06 2008
Danger Mouse

And yeah I cosign, the real Danger Mouse is pretty cute 🙂

27 06 2008
Knatural

Roger – I love you.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Am I the only one who didn’t think Nader stole any votes. I feel the only people that voted for Nader were the losers who weren’t going to vote for either major candidate anyway. Same thing this year. I feel people who vote Nader will vote mickey mouse on the national ballot just to be ornery. Same thing for Ron Paul voters. They aren’t taking McCain’s votes, they don’t like him and would vote ficus if RP wasn’t on the ballot.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

testing something

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

doggoneit

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

that gravatar thingie didn’t work for me.

27 06 2008
Laurel

I think it’s high time for a black president HOWEVER I don’t think America is ready for black people to be themselves. Meaning, we can have a black president but only as long as he does everything humanly possible to placate whites and ease their fear of black people, which is not fair to him or black folks as a whole.
That’s how I read Jen’s post but I may have misread it.

27 06 2008
Monie

willnotbetelevised,

Danger Mouse the music producr. He formed Gnarls Barkley with Cee-Lo.

27 06 2008
Ayo

More Malcolm:

“When I speak, I don’t speak as a Democrat, or a Republican… I speak as a victim of America’s so-called democracy. You and I have never seen democracy; all we’ve seen is hypocrisy. When we open our eyes today and look around America, we see America not through the eyes of someone who have — who has enjoyed the fruits of Americanism, we see America through the eyes of someone who has been the victim of Americanism. We don’t see any American dream; we’ve experienced only the American nightmare. We haven’t benefited from America’s democracy; we’ve only suffered from America’s hypocrisy.”

@Jen… I don’t care why you are on Team Obama… just be on the damn team. Obama’s political sufferings mirror the rest of his lot. As such, he will be judged accordingly. (Don’t know if this is a secret, but NOBODY thinks he is a perfect candidate!) I refuse to judge him until I see what happens after he is elected because I have never not see a transparent political campain – I thought that was a requirement. The idea that a ‘black’ man can be elected to the highest post in the US gives more hope to black people as a whole than any previous action on this land in uncountable years.

Right now this is OOB – OPERATION OBAMA BITCHES!

27 06 2008
Knatural

Danger Mouse, the cartoon or DJ, is cute?

27 06 2008
Jen

Since we’re quoting people, I’ll quote Oliver Cromwell Cox.

“The solidarity of Negroes is defensive and tentative only, while their social orientation is centrifugal. For them, social solidarity is not a virtue in itself.”

I think this is largely true. I wouldn’t be whining about Obama’s avoidance of certain issues if those issues didn’t hurt us (as in Blacks as a class–not as individuals) the way they do. To me, this quote from Cox addresses the notion that Malcolm X was getting at when he warned us against criticizing strategy where we share a common goal: solidarity should prevail in the name of an improvement in social orientation.

That said, I STILL, like a hypocrite, have to take issue with Obama’s strategy, and, moreover, even Obama’s GOAL is not the same as mine.

As Black people, we want equity so badly that we’ll accept superficial symbols of equity in its place.

We’ll celebrate a Black Miss America who is blue-eyed and straight-haired when we know a kinky-haired dark-skinned woman could have never had the same.

We’ll celebrate our Black graduates from Harvard, Yale and Stanford knowing that nobody but us feels like they truly belonged there.

We’ll celebrate nice cars and big homes in the absence of sustainable wealth.

We’ll celebrate a Black president who has had to avoid being seen as such in order to gain his position of power.

But, I don’t want superficiality. I want substantive progress. Do these things represent substantive progress? When I look at most of us, I have to conclude that they don’t.

So, to answer Roger’s question, I don’t know when White America will be ready to accept us. I don’t even know if they ever really will. I just know that this isn’t it.

Also, Landon, I should have clarified. When I spoke of socialist themes, I was not speaking of Obama’s platform. That would be unfair. His platform differed very little from Clinton’s. I was speaking of his campaign strategy. It is modeled after socialist campaigns in its style more so than its substance and, to me, that is a red flag because those campaigns too frequently have proven themselves to be a means to an end, not a reflection of one.

27 06 2008
Knatural

Hahaha.. you said Cox.
*sorry*

27 06 2008
Amadeo

I work at a community organization in a poor area, we are split almost even at 49.6% white and 49.6% black (the rest are mostly latino and vietnamese). I’ve had too many conversations with people about what black people do and don’t do. It ain’t about black…Poor people do the exact same shit. Hell this is one of the few places where I don’t have to worry about scaring white people…I do have to keep an eye on them though.

Hell America isn’t ready for anyone but rich white people to act like themselves. The yuppies who move around here are just a scared of the poor white people as they are the black ones.

27 06 2008
Monie

2/3’s of all poor people in America are White and yet Black is the face of poverty? White people really understand the public image is everything. That’s why they don’t show poor Whites on the news when there is a story about poverty. They show Black faces.

27 06 2008
Ayo

@ Jen:
GREAT (and true) QUOTE!
“The solidarity of Negroes is defensive and tentative only, while their social orientation is centrifugal. For them, social solidarity is not a virtue in itself.”

This explains your initial non-support of Obama perfectly.
Thanks for bucking your ideals to be a ‘hyprocite’ and support Obama!

And White america will never accept us unitl we accept ourselves.

(But Jen, I agree with much of your other ideals about wealth, beauty etc.)

27 06 2008
Bassey

@ Jen. I agree more or less with what you’re saying however, there’s a theme I need clarification on. How exactly is Obama “avoiding being seen as black”?

The Rev. Wright situation made it abundantly clear that white America has a distinct “fear of a black planet”. They weren’t ready to hear the struggle and the anger. Sen. Obama attempted to clarify and help create a bridge of understanding with his fantastic “speech on race” but again, Americans prove that they hear what they want to hear not what’s real. He has to play the game. He’s not going to get heard or elected playing into the hands of what he’s expected to do. That’s why when folks talk about his elitisim (which is hilariously laughable), they are playing into the “Uppity negroe” that they already fear. The fear the black man that is scary and hates them and also fear the black man who is making strides pass them. Obama embodies both in their eyes. The same way he is somehow both Christian AND Muslim. Obama is playing their game better than them. And that’s what the issue is but Nader and Billary and McCain and Bushie arent’ going to say that. They’ll say everything but and Obama knows this. He’s been through it his entire life. All black people know how to play within the dichotomy of what is and what is expected. It is absolutely imperative that Obama continues this all the way to the white house. Once he’s elected, I fear he’ll be Jimmy Carter’d, but let the man get there first. He is no less deserving of the position than anyone who has made it that far. Let him get there.

27 06 2008
Landon

Jen:

you logic is Ideal but flawed. You have to work with in the system. You are not taking into acount “PEOPLE LACK OD EDUCATION and biasness”

Yes we would like Obama to go up there and SAY EVERYTHING that he wants, but only a fool would do so. IN a time and land where your politcal life is captured in a 5 second Snipit you can not go into the detailed approach you want to take. The person you are talking about is NADA (2000), But america is not ready for shaking change just want things to be comfortable.

If a socialist is playing to the peoples hearts well than we need a lot more of that. Sometimes and IDea and a way to live is all you need to bring sweeping change. People just want to beleive again.
To be honest it is mostly smoke. I would love a politican be honest and say out of all the issues we have right now we can only fix TWO… WHich two do you want it to be. But instead we bull shit our SELF and we try to fix everything, HENCE WE FIX NOTHING… so if we could FIX Only two THINGS in america for the next 8 years, what would it be!!!!

Mine is Education & Healthcare

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Monie, you are speaking to a gnarls barkley fan. but you are also speaking to a cartoon addict. I personally love to advertise the original cartoon and am a smarmy fucker from time to time*. I love gnarls barkley and danger mouse and cee-lo but don’t find the producer all that attractive in non-musical form.

*the times are from upon wakening until sleeping.

27 06 2008
Bassey

@JaBe LOL Thanks! I try to hide my nerdy past life and pretend I’ve always been this awesomely cool Def Poet than I am today… which is really just a nerd with a microphone.

and Thanks to whoever complimented my avatar. I can’t seem to find it and I’ve been scrolling too much.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Landon damnit, take a minute. I was trying to get what you said but i didn’t understand through the mangled english. Luvya though, even though i’mma have to fight you one day.

27 06 2008
Landon

Sidebar…

To lighten the mood…

RED Koolaid

Cherry or tropical fruit punch?

27 06 2008
Landon

Yeah sorry GRAMMAR sucks

27 06 2008
Landon

I am little slow these days because of the repeated blows to the head i took from MUSE…. hiring a lawyer/.

27 06 2008
Knatural

Yeah, the only way to appeal to the masses is by conforming. I can’t go into a job interview – full obnoxious ‘fro, big-ass earrings, a dashiki, and sandals. “The Game” must be played from within. Infiltration is key.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Hmm you sure you don’t wanna consult one of the many docs on here? 🙂
Red is a flavor in and of itself. There is a myth that cherry and tropical fruit punch are different flavors. They just add slightly more sugar to the cherry. Sugar=flavor

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

ewg, i hate how those smileys pop up everywhere, i didn’t even remember typing that one.

27 06 2008
Knatural

Cherry tastes like cough syrup.
That was a dumb question LANDON!

27 06 2008
Landon

HOW DARE YOU SAY CHERRY AND TROPCIAL FRUIT PUNCH ARE THE SAME!!!!

I SPIT ON YOU

27 06 2008
Bratty

“Reggins” = Classic!!!

27 06 2008
Landon

Knatural:

just got into a serious argument about this topic earlier this week. I was outvoted 10 to 4… They voted Red Koolaid is Cherry…

I felt like John Kerry, tryign to figure out how he lost to BUSH is how i felt. I thought i had a shut and closed case…. but i was wrong. I could just see my debate coach in high school shaking his head.

27 06 2008
Ms. Kristine

Poor Nader! He’s been in the game for 150 years and still can’t get into office or amount to a person of importance!! He just crawls out of his hole every 4 years to spit garbage!!

I am so sick of this election! It is 2008 and Black folks STILL have to deal with outright racism, yet everyone wants us to keep on moving like it doesn’t matter!!! Don’t talk about it, don’t fight/stand up for yourself and your brothers and sisters, eat watermelon and STFU and just be happy thankful that the North won!!

Everyone is pissing me off today!!!!

27 06 2008
Knatural

Landon – you need smarter friends…

27 06 2008
8th Wonder

Red is not a damn flavor.

I’m always ready to come to blows over this.

27 06 2008
Knatural

Grown people shouldn’t be drinking Kool-Aid anyway…

27 06 2008
Roger

“So, to answer Roger’s question, I don’t know when White America will be ready to accept us. I don’t even know if they ever really will. I just know that this isn’t it.”

So fuck it–why wait around for some hypothetical time in some hypothetical world when every white person in the United States won’t be subject to racist delusions and when ever African American is proud of themselves and doesn’t have bling, 5 baby-daddies, and BET is actually useful and not a blight unto humanity? I’ll be imaginary sky friend-damned if I’m gonna sit around and grouse about what fucktarded crack monkeys like Ralph “Bitch-Made” Nader have to say about Obama. I can’t; I don’t have the energy or the time to live in their drama. So fuck em; now’s as good a time as any for Obama to run for President–and yes, everyone from some nitwit HNIC to Bitch-Made Third Party Candidate is going to make shit about race; and yes, Obama’s gonna make campaign promises and we’ll see him for the politician he is, but fuck it all, he’s a damned sight better than McCain.

27 06 2008
Monie

willnotbetelevised,

Well I’ve never seen the Dnger Mouse cartoon. The only cartoon I watch is King of the Hill. That Bobby Hill kid is crazy! Lol

27 06 2008
Saun

Grown people shouldn’t be drinking Kool-Aid anyway…

Why not? 16oz Vitamin Water ($1.50) – $1.25 = 1 Gallon of kool-aid (25 cent)

27 06 2008
Landon

Fine Kool aid with Splenda —

I hate when people say what an ADULT should and SHould not eat or drink because they are older…

TO THE DAY I DIE I WILL DRINK CHCOLATE MILK>>>> go head and drink your coffee so you can get your “FIX” I’ll take my Large CHocolate MIlk All day every day.

Whats next i cant have some COOKIES AND MILK?

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Damnit every grown person should have a tub of tropical fruit punch kool-aid somewhere in their pantry. Don’t ever make me come to your house and tell me you have no juice to drink. Damnit you better make up that kool-aid.

They are both the same Landon. I rebuke you and your friends! Cherry has more sugar (actually i think its equal and that has a taste of its own) in it but they are red. Red is a single flavor in the kool-aide factory. They are lying to you trying to dress it up in different names, cherry strawberry fruit punch tropical fruit punch. DON’T BE FOOLED!

27 06 2008
Knatural

Damn. Sorry. I thought sarcasm was okay.

27 06 2008
Landon

you’ve never seen Danger Mouse Cartoon? what the deuce?

what are you going to say next? Vultron, GI JOES, PRO STARS, DUCKTALES, CHIP AND DALE RESCUE RANGERS, TALESPIN, DARKWING DUCK, GUMMIE BEARS?

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

True dat! Although some childhood favorites will currently give me instant diabeetus. Oh cadbury cream eggs, how you used to bring me joy.

27 06 2008
Knatural

But seriously, something about powdered drinks doesn’t sit well with me. I like my kidneys. Nothing but juice, water, and homemade ice tea at the _____ residence.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Ok as much as we are cartoon addict nerds in here i’mma need you take a breath and spell Voltron right. These people with missing childhoods may need to google and youtubes these classics and wont be able to reeducate themselves.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

PRU!

27 06 2008
Monie

I feel so left out during Kool Aid debates. I’ve never had it. (Sad face)

Landon,

“Vultron, GI JOES, PRO STARS, DUCKTALES, CHIP AND DALE RESCUE RANGERS, TALESPIN, DARKWING DUCK, GUMMIE BEARS?”

Are those cartoons? Lol I’ve eaten Gummie bears but never seen the cartoon. Lol

27 06 2008
Esquire

um. I havent been on here in a few hours because I truly had to work.

@ Jen, Im sorry if I offended you. I obviously was not talking about your views. However, I am from SC, where there was a lot lot lot of discussion and forums on this. Many of the blacks HERE that opposed him said

1. They thought he would get assassinated (a threat to all presidents)
2. He wasnt black enough. (as if the other choice were more black)
3. It is not fair to vote based upon race (as if that was the only reason they could vote for him
4. That he did not have a chance, and they did not want to waste thier votes (??? no explanation needed why that logic is not really logic at all)
5. that he had not paid his dues (older black crowd, which proves jealousy that he had done something they had not.
6. One man admitted that Obama would prove that if you were black you could do anything and that pissed him off. He said Affirmative action and minority scholarships would go out the window. (sigh, this brought tears to my eyes..isnt this the point of the struggle.

Attack that man on his policy, dont attack him because of self hate. Those were the people I was addressing.

You absolutely have the right to voice your opinion, and you sound so angry. As I have said before on here, those who oppose him are so FUCKING MAD. It makes me wonder THE REAL REASONS why you oppose this man so much. People who didnt like Edwards didnt carry on like this, people who didnt like Clinton, or McCain dont act this way. God damn. Take a chill pill.

BTW: I take it you are new to the board, because it should read Dear Ma’am, not sir. Women are esquires as well.

ps i hate bob johnson.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

vengeance is mine.

27 06 2008
Saun

@Landon

You have to do an age check when you ask those questions. Some of those may be before some folks time. Danger Mouse was the joint (I love Penfold) but that was back when there wasn’t even a Nick-at-Nite and they showed The Third Eye and Pinwheel.

27 06 2008
Yonnie3k

Landon, bring me back a banana congac!

Ne’, don’t let Bassey move in on your man.

Mrs. Epps, go to the Facebook group and tell us what your fine is (discussion forum). Sister T and I need you to make us feel better about ourselves.

WNBT – there’s a Facebook group called something like, “I don’t talk white, I speak correctly…” – something like that.

FUCK BOB JOHNSON, DEBRA LEEVIL, RALPH NADER, R. KELLY (still pissed), ICE-T (i just hate him), AND HILLARY CLINTON’S CAMPAIGN DEBT!!

27 06 2008

tropical kool aid for me!

27 06 2008
Knatural

WOW Monie! No Kool-Aid, No Voltron? No GI JOE! My condolences…

27 06 2008
Saun

willnotbetelevised (17:21:49) :

True dat! Although some childhood favorites will currently give me instant diabeetus. Oh cadbury cream eggs, how you used to bring me joy.

Curse you for bringing those things up. You know you can only get those around Easter and now I’m gonna think about them for months.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Monie you just made me shed a tear. Where are you from my dear?, i’m going to have to find you, teach you how to ride a bike and take you dave and busters. After giving you my bootleg collection of ducktales. And my dangermouse DVDs which are actually official.

27 06 2008

lol yonnie.

I added up my fine and I refused to post lol!

27 06 2008
Cheekie

Hell yeah to the possibility of “Obama Fist Bump Day” or “Obama Dap Day”. That shit should be made into federal law, for real.

Ralph Nadar needs to sit his molten lava wax face down and SHUT. IT.

27 06 2008
Yonnie3k

sugar. water. purple.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

I still wear a black ribbon on my arm for cadbury cream eggs. The last time I had one it took me 4 days to finish it by constant nibbbling. I feared an overdose. Twas truly sad…

Mrs Epps knocked everyone out of the water btw. Except for that chic at someones office who is some kinda freak. And she can’t even get into the club yet. By age 25 Mrs. Epps will owe $1000 at this rate.

Man if i had money i’d go to dave and busters next week. Aww Mrs. Epps you can join us there…

27 06 2008

how about every saturday I make…

scrambled eggs with green onions and cheese, pancakes (my recipe) or french toast, turkey bacon, some type of cut up fruit, sometimes potatoes, and Chocolate milk.

Nobody can take chocolate milk from me!

27 06 2008
Yonnie3k

Ne’, after all we been through together? After all we’ve shared? How you gonna be ashamed to post your fine? C’mon. Man up.

27 06 2008
Amadeo

” willnotbetelevised (17:04:53) :

Hmm you sure you don’t wanna consult one of the many docs on here?
Red is a flavor in and of itself.”

I had a client who considered red a flavor…so much so that we took some clients to The Cheesecake Factory and when the waitress took our drink orders she asked for “Red”. I could make up my mind betwen dying and laughing.

27 06 2008
Yonnie3k

Wait? Mrs. Epps posted her fine? I can’t get FB at work. What was it?

27 06 2008
Knatural

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH…teach her how to ride a bike. AHAHAHAHAHAHA Ass!
Ne` – how much. We won’t judge you 😐

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

ooh I was on this serbian movie set yesterday and the catering lady had a trunk full of water, coke, diet coke, lemon-lime, ORange and GRAPE soda. I loved that little white lady. She just knew negroes would be working that set. And some damn good pineapple too. Now my cooty will taste good (according to ya’ll)

27 06 2008
Monie

Lol@ willnotbetelevised

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Don’t listen to her Ne’. That heifer judged me even though she had 2x the dues I had…

🙂

Still, feel free that you probably wont beat ms. epps. Or just like like Muse did.

27 06 2008
Monie

Be back later! 🙂

27 06 2008
Danger Mouse

Danger Mouse the cartoon is WAY cuter and cooler than Danger Mouse the producer.

That’s who I stole my name after! 🙂

27 06 2008
Landon

A fond Childhood memory alert….

I was in the 3rd grade and Skip-it just came out.

The boys were playing kickball when someone TRIPLE DOGGGED DARED and bet a coffee came for *mike* to pull down *Kia’s* skirt…

He ran over to her as she was playing with her skip it and pulled her Skirt down. He laughed in her face and ran. She chased him down and beat him the skip-it… IT WAS UGLY…

27 06 2008
Knatural

Damn you WNBT *strokes hairless cat* Thwarted again.

27 06 2008

oooookkkkkkkkkkkkkk 435.50

27 06 2008
Landon

*bet a COFFEE CAKE***

27 06 2008

335.50 my bad

27 06 2008
Landon

FInes? what are yall talking about

27 06 2008
Esquire

We’ll celebrate a Black Miss America who is blue-eyed and straight-haired when we know a kinky-haired dark-skinned woman could have never had the same.

Have you SEEN Kimberly Aiken?

27 06 2008
Jen

@Landon & Roger

I know he’s “playing the game”.

But, my logic is not flawed. It is different. I’m a nationalist…much more X than MLK than the average Black person. I don’t think we HAVE to play the game by their rules. We’ve been trying, and clearly that shit isn’t working. In many ways, we’ve gone backward. I don’t think that way to the extent that, say, Clarence Thomas, does. I’m not going to be an ungrateful bitch about the path that was chosen for us by our parents and grandparents because they worked hard and gave up a lot to get us to the tenuous position we are in today.

But, I also don’t think we should keep going full-force in this direction. It is too hard to turn around and nobody wants to, so we need to start thinking about some alternate routes. These routes do not include giving white America one more reason to pretend that the issues plaguing our community are our fault because America is a colorblind society with a Black president.

Like I said, I’m on Team Obama right now for my grandmother, not for me. This is about getting a Black man to become president, not about the advancement of Black people. That’s why my heart’s not in it.

Like I said, in my mind, Barack Obama’s going about things the wrong way. Our change is not going to come from figureheads and the superficiality I mentioned earlier. It is going to come from the grassroots: from local leadership and community initiatives.

I apologize if I am all over the place, but I am typing stream-of-consciousness in 85 wpm bursts.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

oh i meant LIE like muse did.

*flips back eyepatch for a wink* Aha! the world is safe once again!

Also since we do seem to IMing our innerchildren every day, how come we don’t meet up at dave and busters. Me likey their potato skins and wings and the fact that they serve liquor and kick the ankle biters out so you can play on the skeeball machine with grown folks seems more appropriate. Drunken chuckycheese wit you guys would be fun. I’m asking Angry IV to set that up.

27 06 2008
Yonnie3k

Landon, on the Facebook group, there’s a discussion forum. It lists a fine amount for various activities/offenses. You add up the fines for anyones you’ve committed and tell us what your grand total is. Somebody tell me what Mrs. Epps got!

27 06 2008
Jen

Esquire, yes I have seen Kimberly Aiken and her flowing weave.

27 06 2008
Omar

Obama is better than the other guy bottom line, if you think he won’t address “black” issues kick rocks… He will address them better than the other guy, nobody is going to be your personal president and do what you want specifically. (unless you own an large Oil company)

27 06 2008
8th Wonder

RED IS A COLOR NOT A FLAVOR, ARGGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRHHHHHHHHHHH!

LOL. Dammit.

Man could I go for a DuckTales and Muppet Babies marathon right now.

27 06 2008

I secretly ENJOY video games still.

27 06 2008

525.50 for mrs.epps

27 06 2008
Esquire

ok let me clear my head. I have to get this off my chest.

It irks the shit out of me when people accuse Obama of not acting black or avoiding black issues because he can not be seen as black. This is why:

You are using the same logic as Nader. Is Obama expected to talk SOLELY about these “seterotypical” BLACK issues? Or can he talk about EVERYTHING??? Why does everyone assume that blacks are only concerned with BLACK issues.? Im concerned with EVERY ISSUE. I want my children to have a good education, I need to know the tax code to set up a trust, I need to make sure Mother Earth will be around for my grandchildren, etc.

Obama is accused of evading being black because he doesnt go on and on about the “Man” or doesnt talk about Jena 6 every ten seconds. Why IS that? We are the only race that HATES when we get better and expand our horizons and broaden ourselves. No one thinks twice about Hispanics being concerned about taxes and voting Republican because of it instead of being mad about the border all the time. We are the only ones who do this!!

btw: black people START USING TRUSTS AND WILLS, too many of us dont.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Ok I feel you now Jen, even though I didn’t earlier. But unfortunately I have to be realist as well. Noting that every place black people broke through to started with the ‘acceptable negro’ then they black ass black people came through. Jack Johnson unfortunately did not open up boxing for black folk, joe louis really did. That’s what allowed Muhhammed Ali to be himself. Same thing for baseball and etc etc. But I feel you b.c. I feel like after the color barrier has been broken we should infiltrate and then be true to ourselves. If we all continue to hide behind the mask to get by then YT will never have to accept black people as black people, and constantly try to behave like YT culture is American and everything else is wrong. My daddy basically says dress in the interview suit and conservative for the interview. Then after they hire you, show up in the slippers afro and dashiki. But ease into it. And I see how that works.

27 06 2008
Esquire

Jen,
that is her hair. I know her personally and that is not nor ever has been a weave.

You stand corrected.

27 06 2008
Landon

You can keep running into a wall at full force and eventually it will fall. However, sometimes you had to be a little creative and go around the obvious.

If we had the economic infrastructure to go independent I would agree with you… However we dont 😦

He can stand all HIGH ANd mighty and not be elected president but fight the noble fight. Or he can play the game right and possibly become the BIGGEST HISTORICAL FIGURE IN BLACK AMERICAS history. No offense to your GRANDMA, but i never thought i would see a GOOD CANDIDATE for president who was BLACK. DOnt forget we are onlu 12% of the population and dwindling compared to the other minorties (in growth and economic power). Very soon if we are not careful we will be Forgotten about.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

oh yes and a black funeral can get ugly as shit. Write that shit down, have some sort of savings plan. My grandmother keeps telling me stuff to go to who when she passes. I need to make sure its written down.

8th wonder, I didn’t make red a flavor, Kool-Aide did.

27 06 2008
Deesigner

@Landon, I will fight Muse, WNBT, Knat, Ne-Ne and to quote kreyol booty scratcher all of your “thunder e-hoes” about you. I have never known another adult to enjoy my all time fave bev.
“TO THE DAY I DIE I WILL DRINK CHCOLATE MILK>>>> go head and drink your coffee so you can get your “FIX” I’ll take my Large CHocolate MIlk All day every day. ”

Mine has to be Nesquik though, I don’t like the already prepared stuff in the carton. I can taste the High Fructose Corn syrup. I keep it way in the back of the pantry next to the unmentionable Ramen Noodles.

I was trying to get back on my high horse and clown y’all about drinking Kool-Aid but the horse ran away when I mentioned Ramen.

27 06 2008
Bassey

um.. uh uh. Bassey is not moving in on anyone’s man! I was admiring the brother’s intellect. I see how y’all get down on the gathering event page. I’m not trying to fight NOBODY!

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

I feel like this dwindling of black population is because so many black people who are viewed as black are not self describing themselves as black on the census anymore. note; afro-egyptian baby labeled white when he should be counted as double african-american. My aunt tried to tell me she checked other on the official census and was happy about it b.c. she didn’t want people labeling her (i understand that) but at the same time it makes it seem like there are actually less black people around than there truly are. And before someones panties bunch up, i’m talking about if you’re seen as black in america, your ass is black.

27 06 2008
Landon

I have to AUDIT my number its a lil to high… something cant be right… i must of carried a number wrong or something.

27 06 2008
Knatural

Bassey – don’t be afraid. Besides, I think Landon’s real-life Dominican girlfriend would sooner cut you than Ne`…

27 06 2008
Omar

Jen – Obama isn’t stopping anybody from doing anything in fact he used to be a grassroots community organizer. Even though he won’t solve all of our problems (no other president has) a rising tide lifts all ships so black people can benefit from a better economy, an administration that focuses on problems at home more so than ignoring them amid fake claims of patriotism and less more in the middle east and a foreign policy that doesn’t completely ignore Africa. Better is better.

27 06 2008
Landon

Bassey (17:53:01) :

um.. uh uh. Bassey is not moving in on anyone’s man! I was admiring the brother’s intellect. I see how y’all get down on the gathering event page. I’m not trying to fight NOBODY!

who are you beefing at and over who? LOL… CHRIS..?

27 06 2008
Knatural

I don’t remember filling out a census thingy…am I going to jail? I’m too pretty for jail!

27 06 2008
Esquire

Debbye Turner looks black with some kinks to me.
Marjorie Vincent, the other Mss America sure looks black to me and is of Haitan descent.

The only “white” looking miss america was Vanessa Williams. I only say that because your lentire ogic didnt seem based on any facts. Its like you just pulled something out to have an argument.

Just sayin.

27 06 2008
Esquire

your lentire ogic

should read: your entire logic.

Please excuse the error

27 06 2008

yea…what knat said. I love her.

I am laughing my ass off at the fines and the things I have done.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

OK I wholly object. I am a thunder e-hoe for chris and only chris (well possibly genius khan) but on top of that. I AM ABSOLUTELY AND NEVER WILL BE A THUNDER-E-HOE FOR LANDON!. Yeegush. I have brotherly-love for landon but it is always in contrast to my desire to punch him in a kidney. Difficult road to travel.

Nesquik will also give you the sugar. they were giving some out for free in manhattan one morning and i almost went into a coma that day. but my cheap genes made me finish it since it was free.

27 06 2008

we need your number landon

27 06 2008
Landon

OK YONNIE, NE< MRS EPPS and anyone else who has done the fines TEST….

lets play..

THE PRICE IS RIGHT…

you have to guess my fine with out going over… the person closest to my SCORE with out going over WINS….. reply in quickly…. time is ticking

27 06 2008

hey hey hey, I am no THUNDER E-HOE! e-boo honey…E-BOO!

27 06 2008
Landon

i am just doing a quick audit, and dont judge me 😦

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Census comes every 10 years. Last one was in 2000ish. Depends on how old you were you probably weren’t the one filling it out. Seriously though black folk, this shit is important. They count or discount us based on this shit. They gerrymander based on this shit. Come 2010 don’t forget or ignore it.

27 06 2008

Don’t say such nasty things about nesquik…It’s high in calcium.

I can’t drink the chocolate milk that’s pre-made it’s too…..thick!

27 06 2008

480.00 landonelly

27 06 2008

480.60

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

i warned you landon, knat is a judger. Don’t make me put the eyepatch back on. And, not that i’m playing, but what is this prize won in this contest? I know you got at least .50 cents b.c. you look like a habitual pool-pisser

27 06 2008
Jen

@willnotbetelevised

Yeah, you make sense. I play the game a little, too. I go on job interviews with my hair straightened. Keep it straight for a little while, then at some point show up with my fro to a “WHO IN THE HELL LEFT THE GATE OPEN???”

Maybe this is the same thing. But, to me, he has gone so far that I don’t think it is.

Esquire, nobody expects Obama to step on stage with his Africa pendant quoting Tupac and doing the cha-cha slide everytime he wins a primary. But how can you look at the Rev. Wright incident and NOT see ducking and dodging??

And I’m sure you realize that central to my point is not whether or not Kimberly has a weave. I know those of us trained in the legal profession find it difficult to avoid hyperliteralism, but come on! The point concerns whether or not she has had to conform, as best she could, to European standards of beauty to be successful in the pageant world. Also, you are still a damn lie if you are saying that what I’m saying is not based on facts. Our FIRST Miss America won because white people effectively saw her as a prettier white girl than the others on stage.

P.S. When I was still in my teens, one of the handful of Black Miss Americas volunteered to mentor me should I pursue a title in the Miss America pageants. I am familiar with the pageant world.

27 06 2008
Landon

Yall gots to be lying looking at your numbers…

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

there you go ne

27 06 2008
Knatural

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA habitual pool-pisser. As if he deliberately holds it before going to the water park…AHAHAHAHAHAH. Yep, I know.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

landon, thinks we’re dirty tramps. 🙂 The only dirty liar on there is muse. Hmmm will this start the muse-landon battle all over again?

27 06 2008
Jen

$175.50

27 06 2008
Landon

735

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

more like ‘why should i go now? i’mma be in the pool in 20 minutes…..’

27 06 2008
Landon

apparently i need JESUS more then i knew!

27 06 2008

Jen,

Obama is VERY SMART. He knows how to play this politic game VERY well more than we do. Give him time, he is playing chess. Come november CHECK MATE.

Don’t judge him just yet, just support that man and his family, pray for him. Take a look at the presidente we have now.

Black people need to fix themselves one man is not going to fix black issues. He can help by supporting us, we need to start in our homes and instill it in our children that we want and will not except anything but the best.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Damn, landon’s filthy ass did everything on there. How was the acid trip you masturbating, cheating, stealing, blaspheming, lying, criminal, bullying, habitual poolpisser? LOL

27 06 2008
Sister Toldja

We need to start enforcing some limits on comment length. It is impossible for one to have read all or most of these essays y’all are writing. Don’t be mad, WordPress has blogs for free, lol. I am just gonna start posting song lyrics in paragraph form to test my theory that people are not really reading all of this.

Now, the world don’t move to the beat of just one drum. What might be right for you, may not be right for some. A man is born, he’s a man of means. Then along come two, they got nothing but their jeans. But they got, different Strokes. It takes, different Strokes. It takes, different strokes to move the world.

Everybody’s got a special kind of story. Everybody finds a way to shine. It don’t matter that you got not alot. So what? They’ll have theirs, and you’ll have yours, and I’ll have mine. And together we’ll be fine…. because it takes, different strokes to move the world. Yes it does. It takes, different strokes to move the world.

27 06 2008
Landon

THAT TEST IS BS..
or yall lying!!

27 06 2008

735 sweet jesus landon…

::side eye::

YOU A FREEEAK 🙂

27 06 2008
Esquire

I am less familiar with the pageant world, however, I looked up the other black Miss America’s because I remember them all looking…I dont know…black.

And MY point was not about weave, or Ms America, but more that when I read what you had written, it seemed as though you were really stretching to find arguments. The other points you made were strecthes as well. This was just the easiest one to point out because everyone can go look those pics up.

BTW I did learn that V. Williams was Ms America back in the 80s. I would like to think we have progessed a tad. Its not fair to say we only value black women who look like. I know tons of men that would cut thier penises off for a date with Badu.

Point is, you seem so against him without any valid reasons, like everyone else. That’s all. You dont need one. This is America, you can vote for the candidate who’s tie you liked better.

27 06 2008
Landon

i really am innocent… DONT judge me… this does not tell the real story

27 06 2008
Jen

Sister Toldja.

Oh. My. God.

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

umm soo whats up errrbody 🙂

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Not fair ST. Some of us are playing hooky from work and in PJs still. You don’t need to different strokes us. Plus you have your own blog. Although I’m with you. When I miss a day i can’t even go back to the comments section anymore with you guyses 700 comments and shit. I remember back when it was only 2-300 comments per post. Take an hour break and you can jump right in. Now theres to many people in the pool 🙂 and some these sad sad people never even had childhoods or disbelieve in the flavor of RED.

27 06 2008
Knatural

AAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAH ahahahahahhahah HAHAHHH @”Damn, landon’s filthy ass did everything on there. How was the acid trip you masturbating, cheating, stealing, blaspheming, lying, criminal, bullying, habitual poolpisser?”

For real! Acid? ahahahahah He probably sucked on a battery…

27 06 2008
Esquire

“We need to start enforcing some limits on comment length.”
guilty as charged. Ill be quiet Sis. I got three more hours to bill anyway. lol

27 06 2008

AMEN ESQUIRE!

We hace the FUCKING TERMINATOR…THE GOTTDAMN TERMINATOR as our govenor…smh! Fucking cocksucking california white women.

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

i never did acid.. fuck i look like Becky? but i have done some shit in my 20 yrs of life i’ll admit it hahah

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

*like a 7 year old tattletale* Oooh mrs. epps. Landon beat your ass on that test

27 06 2008
Esquire

p.s. you did not have to bust that theme song out. lol

27 06 2008
Knatural

*Updates Shit-List*
Congratulations Sister Toldja…you made it.

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

Landon a nasty freak thats why.. you can see it in his eyes…ahaha

27 06 2008

welcome back mase and betha Mrs. Epps.

27 06 2008
Esquire

mrs epps I fussed at you last time bout that drug use. you too fly. you too fly for that. lol

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

Sister T breakin out in song..smh too funny

27 06 2008
Landon

THe test is bias towards guys… fights getting jumped, vadelizing something, stripper, falling in love with a stripper… i was set up to fail or pass with flying colors.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

oooh forgot stripper-loving. Add that right after blaspheming.

27 06 2008

lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo @ ladon falling in love with tittylicious sundae cherry drop! lmaooooooooooooooooooooo

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

esquire i said i NEVER did acid…im not that crazy!!! a little weed wont hurt anyone…but i’ve quit a long time ago so yea 🙂

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

Ne hahaha oh hush girl!!

27 06 2008
Landon

Ne:

ITS YOU!!! what are you talking about…

(the stripper i fell in love with)…

27 06 2008
Knatural

That test is not bias toward men, Angry did just fine, considering. Landon, you just nasty… AAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAAAHHA

27 06 2008
Esquire

oh yea. forgive me

27 06 2008
Yonnie3k

Ne’, you do know that it’s Mason Betha – not…Mase AND Betha…right?

27 06 2008

wait ….mine is 390.50

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

hahah Landon..i never been jumped..”i roll deep” like Genevieve right Sister T? LMAOOO but i have whooped some ass before …

27 06 2008
Landon

I dont care what you say i am still innocent like fresh fallen snow…

look at my picture… look at my eyes 8( innocent i tell you… i am just misunderstood.

27 06 2008

“Ne’, you do know that it’s Mason Betha – not…Mase AND Betha…right?”

Yea I knew…just testing ya’ll!

27 06 2008
Jen

Esquire, I do not particularly care for people pretending that someone hasn’t made a valid point or is living somewhere outside of reality simply because they do not share their perspective.

My initial thought is that, just as you were not as familiar with the pageant world as I am, you may also be pretty unfamiliar with some of the issues I’ve alluded to. However, if you were to do some reading on the subjects in your free time, I am sure that you would soon realize that nothing I have said has been simply pulled from my ass.

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

im curious to see what Shabooty’s score is…

27 06 2008
Landon

lol yonnie

YONIE tell them i am innocent… you the only person who has been around me in person… tell them the truth, inlike your lie about me being 5’8…. still hurting from that LIE

27 06 2008

aww landon. I am a great stripper without the pole. That is for my girl doc! she is a freaking superwoman on that thing. She truly inspires me

share time:
I even have a couple of routines!

27 06 2008
Landon

Né (18:26:14) :

“Ne’, you do know that it’s Mason Betha – not…Mase AND Betha…right?”

Yea I knew…just testing ya’ll

Ne in (((Mason Betha Voice))) I just said that to make you mad…

27 06 2008
8th Wonder

@ Willnotbetelevised

I’ma let you slide on the Red comment because I spit out my lunch at Habitual Pool Pisser

Thank you, e-chum.

27 06 2008
Esquire

ok jen.

I just enjoy hearing valid reasons. It may have changed my mind or put me onto something new. Landon says a million things I dont agree with all the time, but sometimes he changes my mind.
eh. doesnt matter. It just seemed like you didnt have any real reasons. But as I said, you dont need one.

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

ahhahahahahahhahahah@ Ne…routines? what are you a cheerleader stripper?

27 06 2008

Why does pastor Mason talk so slow?

27 06 2008

LMAOOOO MRS. EPPS.

Giiiirl, I have a cd and everything. I can’t believe I am sharing this………

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

i can see it now..Ne’s routine

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

omg noooo a stripper cd? stoppp ittttt hahahah

27 06 2008

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

:screams @ work::

I hate you mrs.epps! lolololola’ek[wipuiueupw2088

27 06 2008
puff

real talk though, does anyone know who genevieve is and why she enjoys being a laughing stock with her retarded ass comments on the fb group page?

27 06 2008
Yonnie3k

Jen,
I think you’re tripping. You straighten your hair to go to a job interview. Where do you work? How many people interviewed you? Now multiply that by 300 MILLION. Obama is trying to be PRESIDENT (of da world, Craig). He needs to tone it down for his interview a little more than you do for yours.

And I could not disagree with you more when it comes to The Reverend Jeremiah Fuckin’ Wright. Barack Obama demonstrated a hell of a lot of courage, authenticity, and principalities in his speech on race in Philadelphia. Americans love black and white, right and wrong. Sometimes stuff is complicated. Sometimes its grey. The average politician would’ve kept it simple, and “dumbed it down for their audience” and would’ve just left the church and “distanced” themselves from Jeremiah right off the bat. They definitely wouldn’t have put themselves out there and tried to explain something as complex as how America’s and The Rev’s history have affected his and a lot of older black peoples’ attitudes. The fact that he gave that speech is enough reason alone for you to trust him. You know that he’s going to do what he believes is the right thing and not just the easy thing; most times they are NOT one and the same. Now – after The Rev when on his Ackin’ A Damn Fool Tour, he left Obama no choice but to do what he did.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

I think most of the time Landon is just a contrary bastard. And now I see he’s tiny contrary bastard (5’8 =5’6 when talking to women). And a freak.

Yay I have a chum.

27 06 2008
8th Wonder

Ne,

What does this mystical CD entail?

27 06 2008
Jen

Esquire–Valid reasons?

Reasons for what??

Do you even know what you are insulting me over or are you just trying to be ugly?

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

i cant stop laughing at that video…Tina look like a damn witch with her hair like that good god why!!!!

27 06 2008
aceklub

so yea, my fine was $490. I am need to slow my ass down, unless my math was wrong

27 06 2008
puff

aaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha i love you mrs epps

27 06 2008
puff

damn that tina video is a fruity pick.

@ landon why’s everyone ragging on you and your height? it’s like that trapped in the closet “i can’t believe he’s a midget” moment or some shit, wtf

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Yea, i think most black folks are pissed of at the rev. for his timing rather than his message. Damn fool. (and you know how black folk love conspiracy theories. Rev. wright was spouting some and now has become one. Half the people i know think the clintons paid him to go on tour.)

27 06 2008

jen stop it…forreal! We are team OBAMA. Support him for the million reasons you should, besides doing it for grandma pearl.

27 06 2008

8TH WONDER

I won’t tell, but I WILL say uncle luke is not on the cd!

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

We have all made a pact to rag on landon about everything we can.

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

:-D@ puff…it sooo funny thought.. sometimes when me and hubby gets drunk i’ll start sing that song in my most Tina voice and do this insanelly obnoxious stripper dance…smh

HILARITY at its finest!

27 06 2008
B4Prez

LMAO@ S.T.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Listen, uncle luke can tire a sister out trying to peform. good for you ne, keep some slow sexxy shit on there. Out of breath stripping is ugly.

27 06 2008
Landon

The part i dont understand is that its clear i am 6 feet… but i have always had that issue… its like i am short 6 feet… i am very trim but at the same time i have broad frame… i am not sure.. why i get this HATE HATE HATE HATE!

Yonnie is lying like teh she works for the BUSH CABINET… yeah WMDs in IRAW i got PROOF>>. when in reality she is pulling that shit out her ass.

should i have a weigh in with my height shown…

R kelly has a sex tape and he has “no mole” and gets off… i have plenty of pictures of me towering over people and im 5’8 all of sudden… apparently all my friends are 5’3 migrant workers from central america!

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

and all that sweat will make you fall of the pole.

27 06 2008

breathing like biggie smalls

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

“Out of breath stripping is ugly” hahahahhahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

27 06 2008
aceklub

@yonni3k
using the Friday After Next quote was classic…Mike Epps was so funny is that movie.

Obama has to do the same thing that many black men had to do in regards to education…balance that shyt out. Meaning, just like the little Black boy had to put his books in a pizza box so he didn’t get jumped by the corner boys for being smart, Obama can’t expose his black card 100% at least until he becomes President. Now I am not saying he will be pro-black b/c as it has been stated “Obama is trying to be PRESIDENT (of da world, Craig).” However, I do think he will make some changes and suggestions
However, as Black people, regardless of who is President we need to stop waiting for “the government’ to come and save us. This may be the only way I have Republican ideals in me, b/c while we ALL know that we got the short end of the stick, we need to stop waiting for something to change and just create the change ourselves, particularly WITHIN ourselves.

27 06 2008
8th Wonder

Ne, you mean no doo doo brown? You must be one of dem classy skrippas.

27 06 2008
B4Prez

1. Somebody said fig.3 is Mrs. Epps in white face at happy hour.

2. Genevieve??? Sounds Creole…keep an eye on her!

3. Fuk Ralph Nader! And any and every1, esp dumb Blacks, who are trying so hard to find reasons why they won’t vote for Barack, just so they can prove to their YT co-workers that they didn’t vote for the ‘black guy’ just becus he’s black.

27 06 2008
Knatural

I’m dying…I haven’t laughed so hard since…yesterday. I laugh too much (need to be meaner, shit!)
That test: Most guys will probably score well over $400…dirty bastards.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Hey, true, I though my CI was over 6′ until I realized all the pics of him he was hanging out with asian women and a mexican

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

Sings to I dont wanna be a player**I dont wanna be a heavy breather no more.. im not a heavy breather i just weigh alot….

dedicated to Big Pun.

The End

27 06 2008

lmaoo @ a classy skrippa!

27 06 2008
Omar

@WNBT – Rev. Wright was invited to the National Press Club by a Clinton supporter but the rest of that stuff was just him… I think I heard this nucca got a book deal… shyt pisses me off.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

LMFAO @ Mrs. Epps. lolololololjahiofhedioheiohathboijgfvdpjfiodjioaehoghaeiodjhnioehiohiogahidonfioSANhiovhniojefioajd

Mad at all the panting on the tracks of fat rappers and daytime snorers

27 06 2008
puff

@ mrs epps – stop before i break a rib lol

@ ne you got me wanting to make my own cd now… tell me why i want to throw some isley brothers on that shit… “touch me bay-bey/drive me crazy…” lemme stop

@ landon aaw. *hugs*

27 06 2008
Knatural

AAAAAAAAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA @”Somebody said fig.3 is Mrs. Epps in white face at happy hour.”-B4Prez
Wrong, wrong, wrong…but so right. I love Figure 3, ‘cuz nobody gets more drunker (yes) than Becky Gundersen.

27 06 2008

ok I took a belly dancing class, I learned 2 things.

1. How to roll my upper abs and my lower abs into a nice wave.

2. Black women already know how to move their hips, like belly dancers.

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

B4Prez- Somebody said fig.3 is Mrs. Epps in white face at happy hour.

hahaha hell naw

1. my butt is way bigger than that and i hate blondes..i would rather be a red head green eyed white girl lol
2.I never get too wasted i pass out in public..that aint cute
3. where the fuck are her clothes.. never walk outside in the nude.. there are rapist out there!!!

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

LMFAO @ Mrs. Epps. lolololololjahiofhedioheiohathboijgfvdpjfiodjioaehoghaeiodjhnioehiohiogahido
nfioSANhiovhniojefioajd

Mad at all the panting on the tracks of fat rappers and daytime snorers

27 06 2008
B4Prez

Rev. Wright is trying to be the next Rev. Run! He’s trying to milk his 14:59 for all it’s worth. He’s gonna have a book deal, a reality show, a line of bright preacher suits, a record deal, and a line of ‘Wright Way Bibles’.

27 06 2008
Yonnie3k

Do I have to tell you what the fuck they can do with some YELLOW CAKE??!!!

27 06 2008
aceklub

@ Landon
LOL..Tell them “R kelly has a sex tape and he has “no mole” and gets off… i have plenty of pictures of me towering over people and im 5′8 all of sudden…”

“How came they can’t find Biggie and 2Pac murderer but they arrest OJ the next day….Nicole Simpson can’t rap…I want JUSTICE”

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

3. where the fuck are her clothes.. never walk outside in the nude.. there are rapist out there!!!

but you did confess to fucking on a playground during recess and getting head on a public stoop right? And i would bet you have a $5 fine for skinny dipping.

😉

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

Ne got “Throw some cheese on that bitch” on her skripper cd

27 06 2008
JaBe

Bassey that was me both times.

I can’t follow all the gd comments but, I’ll say that I agree with AYO’s comment to Jen that It doesn’t really matter how you got to the game so long as you’re here and playing on the Obama team.

Obama definitely has to appeal to the masses and truth be told, the masses don’t care too much about issues that overwhelmingly affect Black people. It’s about the bigger picture. When our youth, be it Black, Brown, Yellow or Red, see that with hard work, determination and the proper guidance, they too can dare to be ANYTHING their hearts desire. To shoot for the moon and if they fall short the’ll be among the stars. So in his defense Obama’s platform can’t speak to or for that matter include discussions like BET’S Hip Hop v America and the Plight of the Black man. Those and many other socio-economic discussions will and can be held at another time. The history Obama’s campaign has made has many Black men/women stepping up their game; wanting to be and do better. Is sen. Obama without fault? Of course not. Is he the lesser of the evils running for President? Yes.
Not alot has changed as I watched a lil’ bit of the BET awards(I know, I know but an old college roommate called and asked had I seen the TLC and
En Vogue performances. I hadn’t ’cause I don’t watch BET) Anyway I tuned in a saw that far too many are still in the dark. (wtf was that slow motion stroll T-Pain did?) I cringed as I watched the train wreck unfold before me. Something good did come from me watching the show~I saw the commercials for the HipHop v America and when the next Baldwin Hills eps would begin.( I’m curious to see if this season’ll be better than the last-it can’t possibly be worse can it) As for the hiphop v America discussion, I’m not sure what happens next- there was lots and lots of yelling from the dais-but one things certain, there’s lots of work yet to be done.

To clarify one of my earlier entries. When I commented on the “talking white” From Nader’s perspective and the non white perspective it was in pure jest as both examples I’d mentioned were absolutely ridiculous; the latter being used as a bludgeon towards any black that cared to speak in a manner that wasn’t saddled with dangling partciples and the lack of subject verb agreement.

Jen, again I say to you, welcome to the fold.

Ciao

27 06 2008

@ ne you got me wanting to make my own cd now… tell me why i want to throw some isley brothers on that shit… “touch me bay-bey/drive me crazy…” lemme stop

You have to and make sure you put usher’s and “can you handle it” and “bad girl”

27 06 2008
Omar

@B4Prez – LMAO at bright preacher suits he probably got an endorsement deal from Steve Harvey’s “Big Ass Suits, that don’t fit”.

27 06 2008
Landon
27 06 2008

” throw some cheese on them grits”

lmaoo my mom says she is scared of the dude who sings that song:

“That boy look dead…turn the tv.”

27 06 2008
Yonnie3k

As long as The Rev’s book comes out after the election, i don’t care WTF he says. And yes – he didn’t say anything that black people haven’t been saying and/or hearing for years. But to white people it was shocking!! Listening to Fox News was hilarious: “How could he think that the government would spread AIDS…” I’m not saying its true, but we all know that from the Tuskegee Experiment and Africanized Bees – the shit is not out of the realm of possibilities.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Is it bad that i kinda want my fine to increase. And plan on increasing it next weekend?

27 06 2008
B4Prez

Yea, I almost had to run to the bathroom when I saw fig.3. U’ve never seen a party until you’ve seen ‘Becky Gunderson’ @ a ‘Pi Omega’ keg party!

27 06 2008
8th Wonder

My fine was 160.50.

I really didnt know I was this lackluster.

Landon, where do you get your acid from?

27 06 2008
Yonnie3k

Somebody just emailed me a picture. Is there a way to post it to this blog? I need you all to be as enraged as I am right now. If not, I’ll just post it to the FB page tonight.

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

ahahahhahahah WNBT stopp itttt playground fucking? nawww never thats..public stoop yes but i was with my man and it was 4 am!! no one was around anyways except our neighbor who gave me 5 ahah skinny dipping..hahah umm another 4am thing…and no one was around either well not that i saw hahah well except the cops who stopped us before heading to the beach area asking us to turn the music down in the car lol 😀

27 06 2008
Yonnie3k

8th Wonder – Get a life! Live a little!

27 06 2008
Knatural

Yonnie, I love your randomness – HAHA

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

oh no you didn;t you bourghie mothafawka. 1) no one said midgets don’t exist 2) I’m mad you got a mothafukin video of you playin taboo. I’m glad i haven’t eaten lunch yet.

I rebuke taboo and banish ye landon to SEBP immediately

27 06 2008
puff

@ ne *taking notes studiously* have you seen death proof, the tarentino grindhouse feature? – lapdance in there (a little disturbing as it’s kurt russell) but that song is all kinds of hot

27 06 2008
Toussaint

This post is short-sighted and ill-informed. Please don’t purport to speak for all Black people. Nader is, and always has been, a defender of people of color, of the poor, and of justice, generally. He has done more for this country than any of the current presidential candidates combined. I will not list his record of accomplishments here, since I believe that would do little to persuade those members of the two party religion. Read Nader’s pieces more closely, and you might learn a lesson or two in civic responsibility, foreign policy, the rights of the poor, the pervasiveness of the corporatocracy, and the blindness of the American people. Ralph Nader, Lebanese by birth, not white, as you described, should be at the top of the list of the people/things/treasures/”stuff” that Black people LOVE.

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

ahhaah Landon she’s looks about 5’3 to me

27 06 2008
B4Prez

1. Don’t get me started on Steve Harvey and his ‘Detroit’ suits. (Sorry ‘D-Towners)

2. ‘Baldwin Hills’ is the worst show I’ve ever seen in my life. I’d rather wear a Steve Harvey suit than watch that fake version of MTV’s fake Hills!

27 06 2008
Esquire

Jen,
I apologize, I honestly wasnt trying to be ugly or insult you. Seriously. I think my tone is hard to tell over a computer. But ask Landon, Muse, or Mrs Epps, I am much nastier when Im trying to be ugly. So I apologize. I was just trying to move on.

27 06 2008
8th Wonder

@ Yonnie

The thing is, I thought I had one! LMAO

27 06 2008
Landon

Toussaint your late — i said that already…. but thank you…

its pass 3 o clock we only talk abotu ignorant stuff now like what strip pole routines will the girl do and so on…

sidenote:
WHen Maxwell started singing AL Green why did every girl in the room become instantly MOIST???? it was crazy… yall cant control yoursleves when that man starts singing.

27 06 2008
puff

damn. i’ve done nothing scandalous according to that quiz. my shit might as well have been $4.06 😦 need to start work on that asap 🙂

27 06 2008
Yonnie3k

knat – I LOVE that you got my quote. One of my favorite skits of all times. Landon said I work for the Bush Cabinet and I got proof of WMDs. I forgot to look at my pics and confirm or deny his height. He’s real adamant about it though — “I AM 6 feet…PLEASE BELIEVE ME!! FUCK YOU NI@@A, I’LL KILL YOU”

come back dave. come back.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

yes puff, i suggest a regimen of fuckery. If you ask nicely Mrs. Epps may take you under her wing. (bring some purell for that though).

Am i the only woman to notice maxwell kinda has some duck lips. I feel like a moustache would work well for him there. But I still wanted to jump in the tub with him cuz he made me cococurious.

27 06 2008
Landon

I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE WOMAN!!!!

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

hahaha Ms. Esquire if ya nasty….naw but Esquire as been known to burn niggas with word…watch out na!

27 06 2008
B4Prez

Toussaint….sounds Creole….ain’t no good gonna come to u until you’ll do right by Solange!!

27 06 2008
Landon

@willnotbetelevised (19:07:46) :

yes puff, i suggest a regimen of fuckery. If you ask nicely Mrs. Epps may take you under her wing. (bring some purell for that though).

BBWBWBWBWAAWWAAAAAAA AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

hands clasped (((EVIL LAUGH)))))AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

I qualify you as boughie midget until proof positive is presented. You should show up next friday. I promise I wont punch you in the kidneys between 10 pm and midnight.

27 06 2008

Oh one more, something love jones version!

27 06 2008
Landon

Mrs epps i know she is 5’3″ but i tower over her and she had heels on… THAT MY POINT>>>.
Yonnie just mad because all the men who try to holla at her are Kat WIlliams Stunt Doubles.

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

WNBT LOL bring the purell hold up now!! hahah i aint shabooty!!

27 06 2008
Landon

I was thinking abotu going to DC but my lil nehpews are comign in town and those are my lil homies and i miss them so much…. so i can’t mess with that.

27 06 2008
Knatural

I can’t deal with this today…I’m laughing too much! Cococurious AAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA I hate you! Maxwell was high, I’m convinced. But he’s still so sexy.
And “Toussaint sounds Creole” AAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHA Stop.

27 06 2008

**”something, something” by maxwell love jones version.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

yo toussaint sounds haitian creole. Watch out, Yonnie can tell you. them haitians will put a root on you

27 06 2008
Dustin

Well-written post, Christopher.

What’s up with Jesse Jackson’s mustache? Something’s not quite right.

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

i dont think your short Landon but some of your pics make you look that way…well you wont be that that that tall to me either considering i am 5’10.

27 06 2008
puff

@ WNBT ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

@ mrs epps fancy sharing some tips?

@ landon will you wear platforms or insoles to the 4th of july party?

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Bourghie Midget!

27 06 2008
Knatural

Christopher? Damn, Dustin.
If Toussaint is Haitian, I demand a serving of griot. NOW. Hungry.

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

Well-written post, Christopher.

bwhahahaha…Dusty thanks for joining us on this fine friday.

27 06 2008
Esquire

how old is jesse anyway?

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Neither do you look that tall mrs. epps. Are you serious?

btw what the fuck is up with nearly every person on this blog being bigtiddied black women who are almost 6′ tall?

27 06 2008
Knatural

SBPH attracts Amazons?

27 06 2008
Esquire

small breast. pratically a midget. thats me.

27 06 2008

@ landon will you wear platforms or insoles to the 4th of july party?

ahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa lmaooooooooooo
leave my e-pookie.

27 06 2008
alltalk

haven’t read all of the comments, but i do have to somewhat agree with what Mr. Nader said. It seems to me that Mr. Obama has “white washed” his campaign to distance himself from blacks (or ethnic folks in general).

Obama didn’t attend the State of Black America, the 40th Anniversary of MLK’s assignation, and just recently had to made a public apology for volunteers who denied two muslim women seats behind him on stage at a rally.

All of this is done in my opinion to look less treating to whites, which is what he needs to succeed. He’s in a very precarious position, but I still hope he wins in November.

27 06 2008
8th Wonder

@ Knatural

Apparently so…5″11 here.

Amazons, unite!

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

jesse is 470 years old. He’s marched alongside nat turner, Frederick Douglas, WEB Dubois and MLK.

as another aside, I just tried this cherry limeade by minute maid and it tastes like liquid candy. Probably what would happen if you mistook a pixie stix for koolaide mix. I fear i’m going to get the sugar. If i go in to a coma this afternoon save my beef patty. Its my second to last one and i like’em

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Esquire you are no longer recognized in this crew. Get some stilts and 2 helium balloons so we can see you.

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

hmm Puff all i can say is.. hook up with some white friends having a party one day and your eyes will open to new crazy chapters.. thats what happened to me…before i met my crazy ass hell YT roomates all hell broke loose for the good and bad…i had some of the best moments and worst with them…i dunno what it is.. but white kids bring the wild and crazy..shit i would never do out of me hahaha but its fun!

throw drinking parties…play drinking games like beer pong and beer of truth.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

stilts are for the women to recognize you. helium balloons for the men.

27 06 2008

jesse has been around since forever If I’m not mistaken I think he is 119 1/2.

27 06 2008
Dustin

Hey kin-folk. So y’all are talking about Landon’s height? Again?

Why don’t we talk about his length?

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

isnt every beer a beer of truth?

27 06 2008

I am a whopping 5’1″ 5’2″-ish…still sexy though!

27 06 2008
Knatural

Esquire, it’s ok, I’m with you. Everyone else is a Xena Warrior Princess extra.

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

yes i am really 5’10 lol…my biological father is 6’5 my mom is 5’6 so i guess i feel in between 🙂

27 06 2008
Vanita

real talk though, does anyone know who genevieve is and why she enjoys being a laughing stock with her retarded ass comments on the fb group page? LMAO @ Puff v Genevieve!!!
And From the way you was giving Genevieve that lip service on the boards, I know you had a decent sized fine puff!

LANDON WTF?!?! ur fine was not 735 liar…but if it was…you comin to the gathering next friday?? LOLOL
But 735 tho?? riiigggghhhttt.

27 06 2008
B4Prez

@willnot.. – Ur right! You’ll have to hold a prayer circle for me in case he/she pus roots on me!! (drops to floor and starts doing the ‘they shot pookie’ roll across the floor)

27 06 2008
Merri Lee

Omar (14:39:21) :

A white guy (or whatever Nader is)

He’s Lebanese. Can’t he go back to his latest fiasco – the crooked NBA ref? (No joke – he wrote a letter to Stern saying the kings-Lakers 2002 playoffs was suspect.) If he wants to help black people, he can go clean up the NBA, and we’ll worry about Obama.

27 06 2008
puff

i’m 5′ 9.5″ (i’m very proud of that extra half inch)

@ Hey kin-folk. So y’all are talking about Landon’s height? Again?

Why don’t we talk about his length? – what say you, Landon?

@ mrs epps damn me and beer pong i can’t throw for shit – lol, i should probably start playing it more often then. damn it i miss college all of a sudden

27 06 2008
Vanita

Mrs. Epps – Yea, I feel ya on the YT friends. I love them and hate them at the same time. Love them because they do ANYTHING!! Gross, against the law…They keep you entertain!! hate them because they are so sterotypical some times, I hate how they can JUST do about any thing they want and get away with that shit!!

27 06 2008
Yonnie3k

Yonnie just mad because all the men who try to holla at her are Kat WIlliams Stunt Doubles

Sadly. This is true.
~sheds tear~

27 06 2008
Landon

Y’all Need JESUS!!!

27 06 2008
Vanita

But sometime they YT males do some of the most homo shit drunk…tea baggin…pissin on people…Getting naked together (and its ALL guys)…But they crazy tho!

27 06 2008

Am I the shortest chick on here?

I ALWAYS wear heels unless I am doing somethng active. So I am usually 5’5″ 5’6″

27 06 2008
Knatural

If White is Caucasian and Lebanese are Caucasian, wouldn’t Lebanese be White, according to the US’s skewed racial categories? Just wondering.
Landon – with a fine of $735.50 (pool-pisser), you need Jesus/Buddha/Hohmina-Hohmina/Yahweh/Oshun/errybody AHAHAHAHAHAH
just kidding. who cares.

27 06 2008
Yonnie3k

Fuck carrots!

27 06 2008
chaoticdiva

Sorry for not reading ALL of the posts…but seriously, my problem with Al and Jesse, is that they are selective in who they help in the black community. Notice how they stand up for more publicized issues and not the ones that aren’t. Think Jena 6 vs Megan Williams.

But yea, Ralph Nader is a buttfuck who is paid to look like a greenpeace lover by the Republicans.

27 06 2008
B4Prez

A brutha can’t get an invite to the Party next friday? I’ll turn it out like fig.3!!!!

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

cousin? the haitians got you? toussaint give you tourettes?

Landon – with a fine of $735.50 (pool-pisser), you need Jesus/Buddha/Hohmina-Hohmina/Yahweh/Oshun/errybody

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH

hohmina-hohmina and oshun!

27 06 2008
maya

So. Mandela’s 90th bday is being celebrated in Hyde Park in London. Celebrity-filled event. And it’s Mandela. Not on TV.

Princess Di turned 40 posthumously. On 3 different channels. With re-runs.

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

Vantia YESSSSS i hate to love them and i love to hate them hahaha…

Puff…who cares if you cant throw the point of the game is to get drunk ahhaha jokes.. shoot me and my girl are bomb at beer pong..and we get drink when we play Beer truth..that shit endeds friendships…like Taboo hahah

i miss my old school mates in Florida…

btw i love the fact i have fellow tall girls.. all my friend are short biatches hahah o well..

and for the record..my wild days have settled dramaticlly since we got our house.. but its coming back now because of our neighbor..girl is crazyy hella fun!

27 06 2008
puff

@ B4Prez hahahahahaha take pictures to replace the ? on the group page lol

27 06 2008
Knatural

B4Prez, the info’s on fbook.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

B4prez, i dont want your root-put-upon ass anywhere near me until you go round in the moonlight 7 times in circle with fresh piece of linen tied round your wrist, a sliced lemon in your left palm and the spit of virgin on your forehead. You know a person with a root on them spreads bad luck.

Am i friends with you on facebook?

27 06 2008
puff

@ mrs epps i feel you, all my friends get so mad cos i’m like 6’1″ in heels, i’m like it’s not my fault y’all are lilliputians.

@ maya check cnn i was just watching it, although maybe it’s cos i have the international version

27 06 2008
Vanita

You know a person with a root on them spreads bad luck.
LMAO!!!!

27 06 2008

“B4prez, i dont want your root-put-upon ass anywhere near me until you go round in the moonlight 7 times in circle with fresh piece of linen tied round your wrist, a sliced lemon in your left palm and the spit of virgin on your forehead. You know a person with a root on them spreads bad luck.

Am i friends with you on facebook?”

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO..

b4PREZ GOING to have a chicken foot and a chitlin’ in her/his left pocket. Randomly shouting:

“GET CHO HAND OUT MY POCKET” AND “I CAN MAKE A BOOGER TALK”

27 06 2008
B4Prez

@Puff – See….what had happened was….I still haven’t joined facebook (duck’s to avoid the rocks being thrown right about now). I know, I know. I abandoned my myspace page and just can’t bring myself to answer a bunch of questions to fill out another profile I’ll prob end up abandoning. However, if it provides the opportunity to wake up like fig.3, then it might be worth my while, lol.

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

B4Prez is on facebook?

27 06 2008
Knatural

Wow, a Gulliver’s Travels reference. NERD!
I always feel like I’m standing in a hole among Amazons. I’m 5’3, 135/40, I’m not THAT tiny.
WNBT – you know too much.

27 06 2008

AWW KNAT! you are short too. Yayyyyyyyyyyy!

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

dang, i have a collection of midget friends too. Even the men are midget. My suspicion is they befriend me for protection. my only friends who aren’t midgets are nearly my height and it would take 3 or 4 of them to be my weight. they are incredibly skinny africans. Very sad. No clothing or shoe exchange has every happened in my life. Except once hanging out with big girls for a couple weeks in Tennessee.

27 06 2008
Yonnie3k

LOL. No tourrettes (or roots) – somebody said something about how white boys be on that homo shit sometimes when they’re playing around. It made me think of this

27 06 2008
Vanita

@ b4prez — Dont be ashamed about not being on Facbook. I wasnt on myspace for the longest, people used to look @ me like I had anthrax in my pockets. I swear, I think it soo stupid. But facebook is the devil. Im pretty addicted now. Remain pure and unadulterated.

27 06 2008
Sister Toldja

chaoticdiva (19:36:40) :

Sorry for not reading ALL of the posts…but seriously, my problem with Al and Jesse, is that they are selective in who they help in the black community. Notice how they stand up for more publicized issues and not the ones that aren’t. Think Jena 6 vs Megan Williams.

AMEN. This is why they shouldn’t be the Presidents of Negronia. I should.

27 06 2008
puff

@ knat i know i know, it’s sad, but sometimes this blog brings it out of me

@ wnbt hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha stopppppppp

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

B4Prez is a dude right?

27 06 2008
Knatural

Yeah…but I’m tall short. 😀

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

oh shit i forgot about that bit. Fuck carrots. For a minute i thought they got ya.

knat- i have a wide body of knowlege. Countryisms are learn’ed things too. Geechie folk got hoodoo men and women too.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

knat you are pocket sized. you may also be green and dislike people touching you and a shrink ray

27 06 2008

yo, knat somedays do you feel tall, or is that just me?

27 06 2008
Yonnie3k

I hate Sister T and chaoticdiva for making me stand up for Jesse and Al, but Jena 6 never would’ve made it to mainstream media if it weren’t for them. Black radio was talking about it earlier and it was on the internet, but stuff normally doesn’t go from black radio to CNN. A lot of stuff wouldn’t. I think the same thing about Sean Bell. Now quick- somebody please say something derogatory about Al Sharpton so I can co-sign and redeem myself.

Question: Do they have English classes in Divinity School b/c Al Sharpton has a really hard time with choosing the right verb tense.

27 06 2008
B4Prez

LMAO@willnot!

That MIGHT be my biggest laugh of the day (I’m still trying to recover from fig.3, lol.) But u know if u ask ur grandmother how to get the root off of u, she’ll tell u to do the EXACT same thing!

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

and have a shrink ray. Reducto

27 06 2008
puff

oh dave. fuck carrots indeed. YT boy story: dude who lived with a couple of my friends came in drunk as fuck one night, grabs a pair of rock band drumsticks and puts them down his boxers, all up in his balls. then starts poking one of my dudes in the face with them. then says to him, all ‘come hither’ eyes and shit, “…let’s do it. let’s just do it.” my boy’s mexican, so poor YT boy got booted out of there ASAP. after that lil preview, i want to get him drunk with some other YT boys and film that shit. $$$

27 06 2008
Esquire

DAMN willnot… you banned me?…lol
Im 5’4. But Im sorry, I very small breasts. 34B, THAT is after childbearing. (sigh)
Landon made me feel better by agreeing with my husbands mouthful theory.

27 06 2008
Esquire

DAMN willnot… you banned me?…lol
Im 5’4. But Im sorry, I have very small breasts. 34B, THAT is after childbearing. (sigh)
Landon made me feel better by agreeing with my husbands mouthful theory.

27 06 2008
Esquire

opps. sorry didnt mean to double post.

27 06 2008
puff

@ yonnie

Question: Do they have English classes in Divinity School b/c Al Sharpton has a really hard time with choosing the right verb tense.

lmao poor al, it’s all that relaxer and texturiser done fried his brains

27 06 2008
B4Prez

Yes B4Prez is a man!!!!! I’m 6′, 180, and I enjoy long walks in the park…, lol

27 06 2008
maya

Esquire, I have you beat. I’m 5’4″, but my boobage is smaller than yours…

27 06 2008
8th Wonder

@ Puff:

Ball-seasoned drumsticks on my face?

Woulda been a 187.

27 06 2008
Esquire

lol dang maya. good. One good thing about itty bitties is that I can wear lots and lots of cute summer tops without bras, and no one knows the diff. I couldnt sag if I tried.

27 06 2008
Yonnie3k

I’m 5’4″. But in my head, I’m about 9′ tall (like Landon). It can be dangerous when shit goes down and I get real confrontational like I’m invincible.

27 06 2008
Esquire

I will say I am short fiesty one. I would step to anyone in high school. I am a short used to be wanna be thug. lol sort of like a poodle

27 06 2008
B4Prez

You’ll better stop talkin about ‘Permed-Up Al’ and his relaxer game. You’ll ladies know you’ll wish your situation was fried, dyed, and laid to the side like the good reverend!

27 06 2008
maya

Yes. My mom often asks why I even wear a bra…but nipple doesn’t look good with every top, and Mr. Calvin Klein makes a damn good push up. Not that it’s pushing much.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

heeheehee the IBTC has come to order. And you guys aren’t really small, b-cup i think is the minimum req but i will have to refer that stance to B4Prez or Angry
where is angry? and what happened to my boo Dustin? I feel all lonely and gigantic now surrounded by the lilliputians

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

lol ass women dammit…i’m rocking my wedges just to make you feel shorter hahaha…

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

its ok WNBT i here with ya girl…we can step on them for fun?

27 06 2008
maya

B cup? Girl, we are still in As over here.

LMAO, Mrs. Epps, rocking heels where? You better hope all that height will get you in the club, with your young self 🙂

27 06 2008

aww the itty bitty titty committee.

27 06 2008
8th Wonder

I’m still here with you WNBT. Do you live in the MD/DC area? And if so, as a tall chick, have you noticed the epidemic of shortness with these dudes?

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Mrs Epps: shoot i do that on accident all the time. Not my fault I didn’t see them there. They should have bigger hair at least.

Haha thats how I missed DJ clue walking through republic gardens. All I saw out of my peripheral view was a red fitted. My friend was all excited like that was DJ Clue. I thought she was hallucinating until i saw him climb on a milkcrate and start spinning.

Side note: don’t nobody make fun of me at the park for wearing my jesus slippers. i do that so my CI looks like he’s taller than me.

27 06 2008
Dustin

Estoy aqui! I’m just working my ass off. It’s my penultimate day of work. I’m moving back to The Land of YT’s next week. (Thank God for their alcohol-induced homoeroticism, though.) See comment from a few weeks ago about why 10 years in that town might make me a rare black serial killer.

I hate moving.

27 06 2008
B4Prez

The rack should at least ‘appear’ proportional to the body (stuff, push-up, miracle- it’s ur choice how u create this). Personally, I’m an azz man. If u have a ‘sit-down’ booty….get to Bally’s and get ur squat on. U don’t have to be Kim Kardashian, but Imma need a lil sumthin to grad.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

There’s an epidemic of shortness above the mason dixon line anyway (which has moved to Fredericksburg). I’m currently in jersey and they are even shorter than DC area. Plus the ghanains will hide out as black americans sometimes down there and they are are all pocketsized too. I miss big ole country boys. ….sigh if you had to lift hogs as a child you’d learn to grow. Unless you were geechie. And I blame that on being too close to african as well. Aren’t gullah people from somewhere in Ghana anyway.

27 06 2008
8th Wonder

Sigh yes, corn-fed, tree-cutting country boys, god bless em.

And yo, if you come to the Park in Messiah 3000’s, I’ll have to laugh, I’m telling you in advance.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

See and people will ask me why i walk backwards through the club and stuff. I was blessed up top b.c. i was cursed down low. But God knew what he was doing. If I had both I would be an unstoppable force and have enslaved half this country already.

27 06 2008
Vanita

WNBT – Im 5’9″. I like wearing heels, but all my friends (male and female) are SHORT. And they always wanna fight. Shorter people do take alot of slack because people underestimate them. They are pretty fierce tho.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

but they’re pretty! they have a little braid from the toe cuff to the strap. Plus I have an unfortunate tan line in the shape of them that i can’t get rid of.

Oh well i’d rather you make fun of my shoes than my man

27 06 2008
puff

i throw D’s on a bitch… ahahahaha i’m a little-looking D though.

@ 8th wonder lmao i dunno how dude stayed calm. maybe cos he wasn’t drunk, i’ve seen the same dude go apeshit at someone for suggesting they play rock band… damn i definitely will be going ahead with my plan to have a well-stocked bar in my dorm room this year – good times

27 06 2008
8th Wonder

Those actually sound hella cute, therefore you get a pass.

Plus, I think you may be my SBPH twin, cause lord knows I dont have a booty either. I’m patiently waiting, I know my ass reparations are coming one day.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

no i know short people. My parents are short people. A short person is like a pit bull on a leash (i think this s why i thought mrs. epps was short). Always starting fights and talking and shit. The epitome of short person to me is Jada Pinkett-Smith. But at the same time I’m not sure they hang around me b.c. in their mind, we are the same height, or whether they know they’re mouth gets them in shit they’re ass can’t handle and need protection. But its probably because I’m naturally fantastic and all people want to be around me. and midgets are fun.

27 06 2008
Yonnie3k

8th Wonder (20:26:25) :

Sigh yes, corn-fed, tree-cutting country boys, god bless em.

Amen.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

HAHA LOL. I need ass reperations too damnit!

And rock band is pretty fun even though I don’t know any of those songs. I love Dani California b.c. of it.

27 06 2008
puff

@ wnbt co-sign on short ghanians. kills me everytime i see i cute one and i gotta bend over forwards to see his damn face

27 06 2008
Dustin

No, seriously. What’s wrong with Jesse Jackson’s mustache?

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Aww poor dustin, I’d help you move if you move to jersey

27 06 2008
Bailey Blues

I missed all of today’s festivities. I actually had to work…

Figure 3 – Hilarious! What the fuck was she doing out there?

Hate Nader. No clue why he is running.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Thats the worst thing about ghananians. Many of them are quite attractive, they are just rather skinny and short. Teenytiny pocketsized cuties. With gorgeous quiet accents if they are actually from the motherland.

27 06 2008
B4Prez

I’ve been in love w/ Jada Pinkett since I was in middle school….Fuk Will Smith!

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

i think jesse secretly wants to be a state trooper.

27 06 2008
Vanita

8th Wonder – You try some squats? I aint have an ass until I ran track, and it was largely due to squats. Although guys may not appreciate the firmness of a muscular booty.

27 06 2008
Danger Mouse

This is kinda late but Sista Toldja: Diff’rent Strokes?!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

List of black women that all black men always love no matter where their personal preferences normally range:

Jada Pinkett-Smith
Jill Scott
Queen Latifah
Gabrielle Union

27 06 2008
8th Wonder

you know, I need to get on them squats, because that’s everyone’s recommendation. I guess I need to incorporate them into my workout plan.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

I’ve always been scared of the muscular booty but men lubs them some serena. I figure i’m buying a folding bike and that will help plump up the panacakes.

27 06 2008
Bailey Blues

black dudes like nia long too

27 06 2008

you forgot nia long

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

OH yea, I forgot

Nia Long
Halle Berry

27 06 2008
Danger Mouse

Actually willnotbetelevised, I know a couple of Ghanian men who are very very tall. One is married to my cousin. But he’s also extremely skinny too. Pretty odd.

27 06 2008

and janet jackson

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

I met one Ghanian who was chunky and 6’5″ and swore he was the smallest of his 4 brothers. I figured his was the only family the slave traders forgot. I also know a thick ethiopian. They are simply outliers of the national average. And as math nerds here can tell you quick, outliers can be ignored when generalizing.

27 06 2008
Dustin

I love Nia Long. She could get it. And I don’t even go that way.

27 06 2008
8th Wonder

That vein in the middle of Janet’s forehead makes me nervous.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

I kinda don’t want to include janet b.c. i feel like most black men didn’t jump on board for janet until damn near velvet rope when she perfected her plastic surgery. Then alla sudden she was perfect. And I don’t like fairweather stans. If I show a rhythm nation janet i want to know these black men are going to be on it as well.

27 06 2008
Bailey Blues

yall talked about stripper cds and such. i went to one of those stripper-cise classes. i have a whole new respect for the gig.

27 06 2008
puff

@ I figured his was the only family the slave traders forgot. wnbt, you’re wrong for that hahahahahahahaahahaha

@ dustin – i feel exactly the same way about nia

27 06 2008
B4Prez

Yup, those women are pretty much standards, but…

1. Queen L. ain’t tryin to see no parts of a brutha

2. Serena is diesel, but she’s bad. You’ll seen that Ebony(?) mag she’s on?

3. And I’ve always had a thing for Dominique Dawes too. That’s a bad girl.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

That vein is not her fault. That vein pops up any time her family calls her up. You know she probably has an eye twitch at christmas and thanksgiving too.

27 06 2008
Danger Mouse

6’5 and chunky? Wow!

Ghanian men are hot tho…

27 06 2008
B4Prez

O yea…Janet get’s it too. In Why Did I Get Married, she was killing it in that dress!

27 06 2008
8th Wonder

Oh, I bet she sits in the corner trembling in the fetal position on holidays. All them chirren probably cower in the same corner, even Jermaine’s greasy ass

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

dominque dawes, also pocket-sized. But she was kinda a fad. I know about the queen, but men all still have hope. Serena i almost put her on the list but i figured it was mostly just putting her butt on the list. Some black men still have reservations about her shoulders and shit. And she looks gorgeous on Ebony but she has seriously had some fashion disasters.

sigh, i have to agree with dustin and puff on nia long and queen latifah. Although the queen is the only one who i’d have a chance with LOL

27 06 2008
Omar

I thought I was the only one that still liked Dominique Dawes.

Janet is getting kind of old… I guess if you wait to tale to settle down you end up with a troll(Jermaine Dupri).

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

see i wouldn’t be anywhere near jermaine if i could, one spark and it would all be over. I bet at every holiday he’s in the kitchen helping grease pots and pans. I think janet has a corner to herself though. All the other kids are in another corner, and probably mumbling to themselves.

27 06 2008
8th Wonder

well she is the only one who still has a career….maybe Joe lets her sit at the adult table.

27 06 2008
Omar

tale=late

27 06 2008
aceklub

For me, I have ALWAYS had a crush on Stacey Dash since the days of Mo’ Money. I would propose to her like yesterday.

27 06 2008
Bailey Blues

jermaine’s son is named Jermajesty! WTF kinda name is that????

27 06 2008
B4Prez

Nah Omar, Dominique Dawes can still get it all day! All of my friends in college thought she was bad.

As for Serena, it is her ‘dunk’ that drives every1 crazy, but she is actually pretty…just deez as all hell, lol.

And Janet might be gettin old, but her looks aren’t. She only got wit Jermaine becus all of those light n curly dudes she was dealin’ with did her dirty. So she was like, ‘I know this lil troll mofo ain’t tryin to screw me over’, lol.

27 06 2008
Dustin

Janet’s platic surgery body is disproportionate. She looks like a square-shaped chipmunk. I’d rather have Rhythm Nation Janet. But all that crazy swimming around in her head would make me stay away.

Queen makes me wish I were her lipstick lesbian lover (you know Queen is the butch one); and I’d call her “Daddy.”

Serena looks like a drag queen named Keyhole Elegance.

27 06 2008
B4Prez

Yea Stacey Dash…and Lisa Ray too

27 06 2008
Omar

Stacey Dash found the fountain of youth because she looks the exact same way she did in “Clueless” and she was like 35 then.

27 06 2008
8th Wonder

@ B4Prez: Hey, Janet just did what men always say women should do…settle down with the nice, safe guy that apparently loved her all along.

@Bailey …jermajesty? I can’t.

27 06 2008
puff

@ jermajesty ahahahahahahahahahha whyyyyyyy

@ dustin lmao at the thought of you calling the queen daddy, would she be buying you a short set?

what is a short set?

27 06 2008
Vanita

Serena looks like a drag queen named Keyhole Elegance.

ahhahahhahahahahahahahah!!

27 06 2008
Bailey Blues

a matching shirt and shorts…short set. i saw cee-lo in lenox in atlanta with a white short set on with green and orange shorts stripes…it was straight from 83…couldna been coolocks (sp)

27 06 2008
B4Prez

@8th Wonder – Ur right…but don’t assume that all of us good looking brothas are dogs

@Omar – Ur right too. I don’t know what plan Stacey Dash is on, but she needs to bottle that sht and sell it at Wal-Mart!

Have a good weekend folks! Massa is lettin’ me off of the plantation!

27 06 2008
Vanita

‘Jermajsty’ WTF?? He’s never getting a job…

27 06 2008
Bailey Blues

green and orange stripes…my bad

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

ummmm

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Jermajesty is going to follow the family tradition of leeching on the successful members pensions forever.

27 06 2008
Omar

Jermajesty better learn how to tell some jokes cause he don’t get into show business with a name like that he will have to be a day-laborer.

27 06 2008
Bailey Blues

exactly televised…which is why he isn’t looking to get a job…but they really played him with that name.

I know we talked about this already but I just heard this…worst name ever…Peutrina…

27 06 2008
Dustin

Stacey Dash is the shit. I so wanted to date her (slash be her) when Clueless came out and I was in high school.

27 06 2008
puff

@ bailey blues – you lie. no one called their child peutrina. i refuse to believe it. isn’t that some kind of catfood?

27 06 2008
Vanita

Or Jermajesty gonna have to play the hell outta a sport.

27 06 2008
8th Wonder

Oh dont get me on bad names. Just the names of a few people I’ve known over the years:

Shongala
Quatina
Sanquanetta
Shantilla

Give me a minute, I can come with more.

27 06 2008
Vanita

LMAO @ Peutrina!!!! I can imagine all the mean things the kids would say in school…Poor Chile. I hope its not pronounced the way its spelled.

27 06 2008
Bailey Blues

yes! that shit is horrible! I might have mentioned this before by my exs co-worker named her son King Nassir Shakur Brown (T.I. Nas, Tupac, forreal???) What the hell is wrong with black people????

27 06 2008
Bailey Blues

oh vanita…it is!

27 06 2008
Dustin

My cousin went to middle school with (black) twins named Tequila and Margarita. The latter is actually kind of an okay name – if you’re latin. But Tequila. . . hell no!

There was also a girl in the very same grade named Nafeteria. I saw the yearbook. I have proof.

27 06 2008
Omar

O.J. Mayo’s(basketball player) real name is Ovinton

O.J. Simpson’s real name is Orenthal

27 06 2008
Hybrid-Lova

You are so fucking dumb. You really want Barrack to lose dont you? Because anyone with half a brain who wants him to win, would know that attacking the Clintons is only hurting themselves. I guess your turned your back on them as soon as a black candidate was running, I guess 8 years of peace and prosperity werent enough for you. Everytime you attack the Clintons, you attack their supporters, and YOU are making them not want to embrace Obama because YOU and people like YOU are still thinking this is the god damn primary! It took you a couple paragraphs of Clinton hating to get to Nader, If I would have never seen the title or the date I would have thought you wrote this 3 months ago. I know many people who were Clinton supporters who want to get behind Obama and his campaign, but everytime they go on the internet someone like your dumb, ignorant, self-absorbed ass, attacks them and calls their candidate racist and thus attacking their supporters and calling them racist, or hicks or what have you. Did you forget what the Clintons did for the black community when Bill was president? Geez, I cant think of any other large group of people that supported one candidate with 95% of their vote, as the black community had for Obama. Dont call white people racist, sure there are some, but most are not, and especially the Clintons. Everytime I read about an Obama supporter demonizing the Clintons it really shows how loyal they are to tearing the democrats apart. Yes, Obama won, thats fine, But do not rub it in the faces of Clinton supporters because I promise, if you and people like you keep pulling this shit, Obama will lose in november from one of two reasons. He will be thought of (like Hillary was) as the invincible candidate, and that will hurt him because he has been running an underdog campaign, but now hes not, and america loves underdog stories. McCain will thus be the underdog, and he could win. Second, Obama and his supporters are going to make Obama seem like a messiah, not smart considering he is already making mistakes about not choosing public funding, making it more easy for him to be bought. The McCain campaign, which is allready bought, will push the idea that Obama doesnt keep his word and they will bring up his lack of substance with his “present” voting record. America doesn’t like “maybe” candidates when it comes to decisions. So I suggest you get the hell off your false high horse, back your candidate, and not demonize the person that is going to help him win. Dont get too cocky, because I warn you, America does not like cocky, especially people who feel like they are invincible. And Obama is not invincible.

27 06 2008
Bailey Blues

My brother had a friend named Nafeteria when we were kids. That’s the biggest L to have a fucked up name. You setting your kid up to fail.

27 06 2008
Dustin

uh oh.

27 06 2008
aceklub

Bad names

O-RAN-Gej-ello
Le-MON-Gej-ello

First name: Ikentina Last Name: Turner

27 06 2008
Muse

Well damn Hybrid Lova tell us how you really feel boo.

27 06 2008
aceklub

Yes, the first two names were twins

27 06 2008
8th Wonder

I chuckled at Ikentina

27 06 2008
chaoticdiva

late as usual…I saw stats being posted

5’6″, 105lbs…i’m tiny

32b/c -23- 34 (hehehe).

…I’m also OBSESSED with the gym. I think its because I’m an ex athlete.

@ Toldja…I swear the NAACP needs to be taken over by people who actually give 2 shits. I did a Katrina fundraiser at MSU one year on behalf of black caucus, and they wouldn’t even get back to me about accepting donations for the black community, even though i followed the instructions (for 2 years straight, mind you, of emailing, calling, etc…). They refused to march for affirmative action, and the last time I’ve seen them active (Latino student association shares an office with them…im in that group), was when they were trying to get people to watch the Image Awards by setting up a booth, selling brownies and passing out flyers.

Pathetic. Then they’ll be the first ones to tell me I’m dissing blacks because I’m not in their group, but I’m involved with LSA who does actually go out in the community and help.

27 06 2008
Vanita

King. Nassir. Shakur. BROWN?!?!?! (it coulda been worse – Jenkins, jefferson, Johnson…) Yea that takes the cake. I hope he can shoot a ball too.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

aww i didn’t think a crazy person would show up today. but they were just late.

27 06 2008
Vanita

Diva – Im an ex athlete, but Im just as lazy as can be. and gaining the weight as proof! I like to work out, but its not that easy to push myself anymore.

27 06 2008
puff

dead @ nafeteria.

@ dustin – i like tequila and margarita. i might name my kids after liquors: bailey, sauza, alize….

27 06 2008
Vanita

LOL @ WNBT

27 06 2008
Bailey Blues

this girl named her daughter alize when we were in middle school. she couldn’t even drink…we were 13!!!

27 06 2008
Dustin

A girl at my church had a baby at 12 when we were growing up. That child (a girl) had a baby at 13. She was a 25 year old grandmother.

27 06 2008
Muse

Why is everyone posting their stats?

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

because half of us are bigtiddied amazon women and the other half are flatchested midgets. we’re trying to figure out who’s gang we can join.

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

damn what happened to the no-writing books on post rule? good grief hybrid…

27 06 2008
Bailey Blues

This girl in 9th grade had 4 kids, a son in 7th, then triplets in 9th. She didn’t finish that year. I wonder if she ever finished….

Well, I’m in the middle 5’4 with DD.

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

lol@ WNBT rightttttttttttttttttttt

27 06 2008
Muse

Well in that case, I’m a big gurl with lots of love to offer I’m 5′ 9 (well 5’8 3/4) but i like to round up.

268lbs.

Now what bitches. The more woman the better.

27 06 2008
Omar

There is a girl in Argentina that had one child at 15, triplets at 16 and another set of triplets at 17, so now she is 17 with 7 kids.

27 06 2008
Bailey Blues

i got that forward today…that’s crazy!

27 06 2008
chaoticdiva

So yea, I’m the in-between height…where do i go? And because I’m so small, I’m not flatchested. I have boobies, they stick out.

27 06 2008
aceklub

Since the theme of the moment is stats, here are mine..

5’11 255 Husky build….there is definitely some cushion there but not overstuffed. (at least in my eyes)

27 06 2008
Muse

No one wants 268lbs of loving?

27 06 2008

no muse that is fat! now take that!

27 06 2008
TomatoHead

Woooow, I’m late.

For the newbies who don’t know, I’m 5’5″ and possibly the only one posting who has F sized boobies and weighs under 125. How that happened is a mystery to me. Right now I’m in the process of “getting it tight”, as it were. Hopefully the tits will get smaller. *crosses fingers*

I am voting for Obama.

Hybrid-Lova, I’m completely unsurprised that everyone is ignoring you.

WNBT: I exist in my own category, WHAT NOW!

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

268 muse…lying ass..we have seen you pics…

27 06 2008
Muse

Girl photoshop is what’s up LOL.

27 06 2008
Knatural

*passes a bacon cheeseburger to Chaotic*

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Nah tomato head, i’m drafting you and chaoticdiva to our side. plus i beleive you’re slated to have some boobfight with sista toldja who has rebuked us today and will be joining the midgets.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

aceklub, how big are your boobs? 🙂

27 06 2008
Knatural

Bertha is 6’2″, 317lbs….with a Jheri curl. Can she be included????

27 06 2008
Lou D.

I really like Ralph Nader.

I highly recommend the documentary on him – Ralph Nader: An Unreasonable Man – so that you can get a back story as to who he is. His image has been painted very well by Democrats who want to believe that he cost them the election in 2000. I guess you need to blame a poorly run campaign and a partisan interjection by the Supreme Court on someone…
I can see how Nader should be calling McCain to account for the poor also, but…with Nader’s experience in advocacy, I’m pretty sure he knows that your best bet is with the Democrats. I also think that, with his experience in advocacy, when even the Democrats have bound their hands and mouths with politics, you have no choice but to announce it yourself.

And on the politics:

Let’s face it, Obama just can’t talk like a conscious Black man if he wants to get elected. And I don’t think he can serve as a conscious Black President if he wants to be re-elected. So…no “Power to the People” pillow talk for this future administration. I mean, Michelle Obama can hardly make a soft-spoken speech in her demure, sleeveless, spring, flower- covered dresses without being called “Angry”. The game is still very white, even though the main players are Black. This is still America. We are still learning.

27 06 2008
Knatural

40Gs that double as knee pads, too.

27 06 2008
TomatoHead

Bethany is about 300 pounds. The only way she gets around is by forcing me to take the bus 6 blocks to McDonald’s. I get her ass back by getting the 6 piece chicken nuggets meal with WATER.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Debra is only about 5’4″ for some reason but she is 315lb and also with a short jheri curl. She introduced herself to a crazy nigerian homeless man yesterday. He told her she looked like she was from zimbabwe.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

I stay away from mickeyD’s and fast food and stingy ass Mina* only allows her to eat off the dollar menu.

*My inner cheapskate

27 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

Bonita is 305lb and she is 5’5 and wears her hair past her ass in long pony tails and she wanted to eat a whole chicken from el pollo rico with her husband Paco (my hubby’s inner fat man) with 2 large fries and almost got in a fight with the lady behind the counter because she said they didny have enough chairs to hold her up lol

27 06 2008
TomatoHead

Damn Mrs. Epps. Bethany literally slapped the now-ex boyfriend’s hand away when he tried to eat some of her Adult Brownie http://adultbrownie.com/index.php

She enjoys wearing fuschia spandex stirrup pants and matching windbreakers with platform flip flops.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Debra is mad b.c. she said she lost 5 lbs (gave them to me) so she is now only 310 lbs. Oh and she’s 5’4 and a HALF and shes 5’6 in the heels she keeps squeezing her pedicure needing fake lee press-on toenails having chubby tootsies into. Debra is the reason I shea butter my feet and ankles. Debra will have some ashy big toes and cankles if you let her.

27 06 2008
Angry IV

533 comments and I’m late to the party as usual. Gotta love being at work at 6:30am every day.

I’m going to inquire with the Park about reservations and pricing. You will hear from me soon.

27 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

sorry inner cheapskate is Deanna not Mina, I don’t know who Mina is? hmm definitely too many personalities in here.

Nobody feels me on the D&B tip? Ok so ya’ll trying to say i’m the only kid up in here. F$*( that. I’ll go by myself.

28 06 2008
James

It sucks that it takes Nader to say this. Obama is a corporate charade, and I wish some black leaders would have had the courage to tell the truth, instead of trying to promote him just because he’s black.
The thing is, now he’s turned his back on the black community, and he’s already promising to back the next war.
So the question is, is he lying to APAIC now, or was he lying when he acted like he believed Wright?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4999088&page=1

http://www.gp.org/press/pr-national.php?ID=67

I can’t believe how rabid we are to have a black president, so much that some of us ignore who he is just because he talks a good talk. I hope we don’t all join hands chanting Obama during the next war with Iran, because then I don’t know if we deserve to be saved from ourselves.

http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/obamas_lobbyist_line.php

28 06 2008
Angry IV

Stop baiting angry discussion, James. If you read all the time and not when it only convenienced your own feelings, you’d know that Obama’s respone of the military option being “on the table” was a result of him taking heat for wanting to “sit down and talk” with Ahmadinejad. Apparently diplomacy is not good enough for 2520s in the country.

But you wouldn’t do that, just an instigator trying to stir up controversy? No, not you, you’re educated.

F*** off.

28 06 2008
Bassey

Okay. Fine. Obama is not the business. he sucks. he eats babies and kicks old people. He once smacked your mama and dared her to cry. Okay.
Tell me why he SHOULDN”T be President and why McCain is better and SHOULD be President.
What kills me about people who are anti-Obama is first of all, they are ANTI him and not really PRO anyone else. They just want to list why he sucks. Fine. But what kills me even more than that, is this notion that these people believe they are somehow smarter than everyone in the room. That Obama is so clearly a fraud and charlatan and evil baby eating, old people kicking, mama smacker but only the “elite” few are wise enough to the ways of the world. The rest of us have taken some collective magic serum that has us wide eyed and blind to the reality that’s so clear in front of us. Millions upon millions of people have been hypnotized by Obama’s voodoo mole. It’s so obvious that he’s a muslim who is also a christian who hates white people but also loves them more than black people and and and what else?

Why is Obama being penalized for being a politician… someone who is in politics and running for President. Why campaign AGAINST him. You don’t want to acknowledge that he’ better? Fine. Show me how he is worse. WORSE than any other President this country has seen. Make it tangible and concrete. No extraneous notions of well he could and should; what has he actually done that make him less worthy to be elected President than McCain or even Bush. This country has a ways to go. There’s always going to be a need for the “ruler of the free world”. What makes him less a viable candidate than anyone else who is running? That’s all I want to know.

It’s fucking ridiculous. That this man has to prove and disprove and prove and disprove constantly. This country is allegedly founded on the priinciple that you need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. here’s a man that has actually done that and is proving to millions that it is possible to do it and he’s being shitted on because he’s still ‘just not good enough”

fuck outta here.

I’m sorry. that shit pisses me off.

28 06 2008
Bassey

Um… what Angry IV said…

28 06 2008
aceklub

@ willnotbetelevised
well, since I am a MALE, I will just take it that it was a joke since I hope that a bra size is not a question that I have to worry about answering

28 06 2008
Hybrid-Lova

I am trying really hard to like Obama, and I am probably going to vote for him because I cant stand to see another republican in office. But it does get harder and harder to like someone when many of his supporters are soooo awfully mean to a person he was running against. Its politics and its a game, dont be a sore winner, because Karma always has a way of coming back. Obama won the battle, but he still has a War to fight, I just dont want everyone to celebrate so soon. I hope Obama wins, because god forbid that if he doesnt, I am sure most of the supporters will ignorantly blame Hillary for his loss. If only the education system was better in this country.

28 06 2008
Lou D.

I think it’s kind of ridiculous to run as a transcendent politician (post-modern politician?) basing your campaign on hope and inspiration…but once the primaries are over, the lapel pin is on everyday, Muslim women in scarves aren’t allowed to stand behind you during televised speeches, you undo your promise to use public campaign funds, and typical rounds at AIPAC. He is becoming what he said he was not. He presented change, but is looking like those who came before him…because real change doesn’t win you elections. Not yet, anyway.

So, it’s fair to scrutinize his politics. He set himself up for this.

28 06 2008
Angry IV

And why is he receiving heavier scrutiny than anyone else? Than John McCain? A man who cheated on his wife while she was ill? Or Hillary Clinton who lived in the same house as her Presidential husband that was committing adultery (the representative of the American people getting blown and skeeting on the carpet in the Oval Office by some intern)?

I just think there’s a couple of groups of people.

1. Racists. Racists obviously don’t want to see Barack Obama win. This one is too easy, so I’ll leave it at that.
2. Closet Racists. People who try to lean on weak excuses like Hillary Clinton’s “experience” as a deciding factor. If experience was important in everything we do in America, the US Army wouldn’t be sending 21 and 22 year old, fresh-out-of college junior leaders to take charge of units in combat. Last time I checked, they were doing a good job with whatever is asked of them.
3. Uncle Ruckus People. People who are self-hating blacks. Living up to the same thing that has plagued blacks since MLK passed away – trying to hold eachother down because of jealousy, hatred, or whatever else. Go ahead and say it, Lou D or James or whoever else…you just don’t believe he’s “black enough” right? So he’s skeptical? So because his mother’s white, he must not be “hood” enough for you? So what do you do? Nitpick EVERY single F*CKING detail about the man.

Here’s an idea – devote that same amount of energy to exposing all of the shortcomings and contradictions of John McCain, and publish it in order to help us realize the dream that Dr. King was fighting for some 44 years ago.

Or are you going to just play the hater role and then come singing the good song if/when Obama is successful like all other fake ass black folks?

Grow the f*** up, stop reading the news, and learn to derive your own conclusions. That’s why you went to college right – to increase your intelligence and critical thinking skills, improve problem solving, and be able to MAKE DECISIONS. Don’t let effing CNN or FoxNews make the decision for you.

MAN I’m heated with these drone-ass, lemming-ass, follow-the-leader-ass weak-ass people! Be a sheepdog and take charge or be an effing sheep and move your ass out the way when I bark at you!

28 06 2008
Venom (formerly Angry IV)

New name. I’m gonna start spitting poison now – hence the name.

28 06 2008
Angry IV

nevermind that was a bad idea

28 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

late, but @ knatural….I like bacon cheeseburgers…I eat alot surprinsingly (i mean 5 kk doughnuts in 30 minute span…yea its bad), but because I stay so active, my metabolism stays high.

Omg, the room is still spinning. How the hell did I actually drive home?

28 06 2008
SOMALI QUEEN

And women wonder why they are objectified & judged based on their body parts rather than their personality/character/mind. A dog shouldn’t be blamed for playing with meat thrown all over the street.

I shudder to this people here are even 0.000000000001% representative of the black women population.

LORD SAVE US!!!!!!!

28 06 2008
SOMALI QUEEN

*THIS = THINK

28 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

yes aceklub it was a joke. and i wouldn’t really ask a woman her bra size anyway.

28 06 2008
maya

Somali,

I highly doubt any woman here would include her cup-size in her introduction…”Hi, my name is Jane, 36 C.” You shouldn’t dig so deep. And, for that matter, when it comes to breasts, it kind of stating the obvious – looking at me (or my profile pic, for that matter) and you can see that I have small breasts. There’s no un-seeing that. I’m not saying that you are ashamed of your body for not talking about it, but I also believe there is a big “see and don’t say” tone with regards to women’s bodies, which shames women (particularly young girls) about themselves.

Further, I think all of the women here have more than proved in previous posts that they are mentally astute and intelligent women, wholly capable of carrying conversation. In a turn of irony, the only thing YOU have seemed to illustrate about yourself is that you’re sexually/morally/socially conservative; a busybody who rudely interjects and imposes her values on others – so, I shudder to think that you would come to representative any of us…as your demeanor harkins back to an unmodern and repressed view of life and women’s roles in it.

28 06 2008
Cola

@ Bassey

You my friend are awesome! lol

@ Venom (formerly Angry IV) 🙂
I feel your pain!

I just hate how in 2008 we still have to jump through so many hurdles! Obama cannot be everything to everyone. There are going to be some things you don’t like but that’s with anybody. Since when has any candidate been perfect?

What really pisses me off is the time and energy that everyone is putting in on why Obama shouldn’t be President!!!

Can we not focus on the bigger issue? MCCAIN?! Do people seriously think he is going to be any different from Bush?! I happen to think he is going to be worse! Another war, anyone?

Everyone is talking about Nadar but what about Barr? He is now in the mix as well. Thoughts?

28 06 2008
honker

Where’d you get that picture of my cousin Vanessa Lue Anne after her Sweet Sixteen/baby shower? Thank the Lord the tatoo is on the other cheek.

28 06 2008
Jaddadalos

“Grow the f*** up, stop reading the news, and learn to derive your own conclusions. That’s why you went to college right – to increase your intelligence and critical thinking skills, improve problem solving, and be able to MAKE DECISIONS. Don’t let effing CNN or FoxNews make the decision for you.”

Well, rather than STOP READING THE NEWS, maybe we should diversify our sources of information. My conclusions should come from facts, not my perception of the truth. There are arguments, counter arguments, skewed information, etc. My job as a citizen is to FIRST, seek information that is accurate (requires reading more than the NYtimes… and maybe even engaging people who have DIFFERENT opinions than my own!) and then I will form my opinions, conclusions, world views, political affiliations, etc. Watch/read the information with a critical mind.

Let’s fight willful ignorance. You can vote for Obama and still criticize him. I’d rather we be critical and hold him up to some standards. And what’s wrong with holding him to the standard of CHANGE that he himself proposed? The President, member of Congress – these are PUBLIC SERVANTS. You wouldn’t know it by the perks and abuses of power. As the public, we should be willing to hit the streets in order to be sure that they are serving our interests first and foremost.

28 06 2008
aceklub

@ willnotbetelevised
no doubt. I was getting nervous for a moment like is there something that I should know that I don’t…

28 06 2008
Lou D.

Angry IV, don’t be too angry to read. Did I say anything about Obama not being Black enough? Or is that your default comeback against Blacks who criticize Obama? I used the word “conscious”. I guess I should have been more clear in how I was using the word. By “conscious”, I meant that you understand the ongoing impact and manifestations of systemic racism towards people of color…mainly Black people. It’s clear that Obama understands. He was a community organizer…but because of politics, he has to be a bit more quiet about this type of race. Again…we are still learning, and somethings just cannot be said during elections. This country has been stretched enough by nominating a Black man who is marching his way to the White House.

I second Jaddadalos, btw.

28 06 2008
Quirky Cutie

My question is…why is Obama the only candidate that has to be all things to all people? His mother is a white American, his father is an African Muslim immigrant. He credits his white grandmother with raising him, but he doesn’t hate black women (lol) because he married one…can someone please give this guy a break? If he doesn’t represent America in 2008, who the fuck does? Does McCain???

And Nader’s comments don’t just piss me off because he wants Obama to be stereotyped as the “black” candidate rather than a qualified candidate that happens to be black, but because he’s stereotyping all blacks as living in the ghetto. I don’t live in the ghetto, I have no children out-of-wedlock, and I have a college education. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to help out “your people” but Obama is running for presidency of the USA, not Harlem, NY. I want a president who will try to solve the problems I encounter on a daily basis, regardless of color. Same with most people, I suppose, and Obama seems to be a hell of a lot better qualified to handle the issues that MOST Americans are concerned with now than John McCain regardless of whatever Obama’s faults are.

28 06 2008
Jaddadalos

Real Quick.

Nader is not making a blanket assumption that “all Black people live in the ghetto”. He is aware of the statistics that clearly show that Black people as a group have a disproportionate share of poverty in the United States. THIS IS A PROBLEM. Couple that with all the talk about how Obama moved to the South Side of Chicago and championed issues of the poor in that area (Read: Black people). THEN, think about how, even given his “community organizing” background, there is little talk these days about policies aimed to help the poor. This startles me, just as it does many people who, like Nader, criticize Obama.

It is not about him working FOR Black people. Policies working on behalf of poor people in general is not specific to race. I, for one, am not trying to make him the candidate that will cater to Black issues alone. You can’t do that in this country and win an election. THE FACT is that this issue is racialized precisely because of the disproportionate number of the Black poor. The belief seems to be that any mention of policies that will address poverty from the Obama camp will automatically serve him up as “the Black Candidate”. There is nothing wrong with working for the poor. If that has become a racial cue, it is a product of our racist society that has, over hundreds of years, placed Black people in that position. Just as Affirmative Action and welfare benefited white women more than it did other minorities, addressing issues of the poor will cut across racial lines.

28 06 2008
TomatoHead

To those saying Obama should be bringing up the poor people issue because he’s black, why shouldn’t McCain be talking about the millions of poor white people who live off of welfare in this country? Why shouldn’t McCain talk about how he can help those poor Appalachian folk?

The reason why candidates don’t really talk about poor people in America is because poor people DON’T VOTE. Either they aren’t educated enough to know how the system works or they can’t get to a polling place or any other number of reasons. Wealthier, educated people vote in much higher numbers than poor people (and by “wealthier” I mean even lower middle class people) and these educated people want to hear about issues that affect THEM, not the poor people who their taxes support.

The hot topic items for this election are global warming, the war in Iraq, health care and the possible war in Iran. Anything else that is marginally related is included, like gas prices and universal health care and alternative fuels, etc…but I’m afraid that the “poor” are SOL in this election.

28 06 2008
Bassey

I promise this will be last comment on this topic, I’m starting to get on my own nerves.

I’ve seen no proof that he has a “win at all cost” mentality. I believe in his integrity as a man and as a father and as a husband. I’ve heard about some issues that could surface before November but if they are brought up then McCain is going to have to answer to his “issues” as well. So I doubt they will surface. I know people in Chicago who know and have worked with The Obamas and I am confident that once elected, he will address the concerns of the poor and the disenfranchised. However, he has to get elected first. That’s the problem I have with all the intense scrutiny he is under. The man is not a WORSE candidate than the folks we’ve supported in the past. It is my opinion that he is better but I understand that people don’t share that opinion but i’ve yet to hear anything that supports the notion that he is so much worse that he needs to be stopped before he gets into the White House. However, i do see that with McCain. And I did see that with W. Bush.

And addressing the young muslim women who were kept from sitting behind him. I understand their frustrations but they need to also understand the times we’re living in. if an innocent display of friendship and love between a husband and a wife can gather steam and be called a “Terrorist fist jab” without a trace of irony, imagine what would occur if two women in full hajib were behind him. I read the Autobiography of Malcolm X when I was 12 and studied Islam intensely afterwards so I know it’s a religion of peace. I also have several friends who live Islam now. But I also know that with his “Muslim fright” that he’s been fighting off, I think his staff was being overly cautious. Do I agree with what they did? no. Do I understand? Yes. And I’m also glad that Obama took the time to call them and apologize for what happened. And I hope that they understand and don’t start campaigning against him.

And lastly, I swear, I think what Obama is doing for both people for him and against him is that he’s making this campaign very personal. When the candidates were “random white guy #45-52” there were no real investments. Now that the White House is closer, then everyone feels like they have a personal stake in things.

Done.

28 06 2008
Bassey

Whoops! I said “hajib” and I meant “hijab”

28 06 2008
Irami

I agree with Nader. My nightmare is that if Obama wins, he and his staff of companymen be so worried about re-election, he still sound half-assed about criminal justice or education. I don’t need a black president. I need a leader who is going to raise the discourse surrounding the task of public education and the atrocities that are super-max prisons and how we approach criminal justice. If Senator Obama does to education and criminal justice what Gore did for global warming, his legacy will be grand and the world will be a better place for his model. If he wins the presidency only to spend four more years sucking up to Ohio whites– not only did he throw Sam Power under the bus, he threw his preacher, who is next, Julian Bond?– I don’t even want to know him.

28 06 2008
Irami (redux)

I agree with Nader. My nightmare is that if Obama wins, he and his staff of companymen will be so worried about re-election, he’ll still sound half-assed about criminal justice or education. I don’t need a black president. I need a leader who is going to raise the quality of discourse surrounding the task of public education, atrocities that are super-max prisons and how we approach criminal justice. If Senator Obama does to education and criminal justice what Gore did for global warming, Obama’s legacy will be grand and the world will be a better place for his model. If he wins the presidency only to spend four more years sucking up to Ohio whites–- not only did he throw Sam Power under the bus, he threw his preacher, who is next, Julian Bond?– -I don’t even want to know him.

28 06 2008
Hybrid-Lova

We should have one term limits for president of 6 years, that way they cant run again, they dont have to worry about reelection, and they can actually get shit done!

28 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ Irami…I doubt that he’s going to need to worry about the re-election campaign once he gets in…We’re not talking about Hitlery.

28 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

i second that hybrid. I like my state b.c. govenors are limited to a 1 time 4 year term and the good ones really get shit done. Unfortunately the bad ones can ride in on some rhetoric and fuck shit up and leave it for the next guy.

28 06 2008
Angry IV

@ Jaddadalos

“Well, rather than STOP READING THE NEWS, maybe we should diversify our sources of information. My conclusions should come from facts, not my perception of the truth. There are arguments, counter arguments, skewed information, etc. My job as a citizen is to FIRST, seek information that is accurate (requires reading more than the NYtimes… and maybe even engaging people who have DIFFERENT opinions than my own!) and then I will form my opinions, conclusions, world views, political affiliations, etc. Watch/read the information with a critical mind.”

You, sir/ma’am, are an educated citizen. You are outstanding and now a friend of mine. Kudos.

I just read my comments too, and I must have been really really tired last night, because that stuff was bananas, hahaha!

28 06 2008
Angry IV

I forgot to leave out a few key points, like what you said – I didn’t literally mean not read the news, but what I meant was diversifying your sources and collecting up facts and not twisted logic from journalists with an agenda.

Anyway, yeah you helped fill in the holes in my statement, and are therefore a great American.

28 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

To add to angry’s post: BBC news is a great start for diversity. The Huffington Post is NOT a good source of news.

28 06 2008
Angry IV

BBC is actually very good because they present a ridiculously objective view on stuff going on over here (except the war).

The Huffington Post is a mother effing rag and a half.

29 06 2008
Jen

Bassey (01:42:41- this post is very true, and I stupidly have only recently seen things this way because I had a difficult time believing Obama could be elected president until he became the democratic nominee. My newest theory is that this [miraculously] happened because there is a secret white people email going around informing the rest of America that this shitty next term, in which any president is destined to fail, is an excellent bus to throw an audacious-and-hopeful Negro under.

I may distrust Obama, but I distrust John “Fireball” McCain and his crackwhore of a wife a lot more (this woman is pretending to be a Stepford Wife as she runs a 250 million dollar company and donates aviation to her husband’s campaign), and at the end of the day, that alone would have pushed me to vote for Obama over McCain in November.

But, I still think his impending presidency is not going to do much for Black America and may do us harm. And…I’ll leave that alone.

Jaddadalos, I agree with your points at 17:08:03 more than words can say.

Also, I am tired of ultra bourgie “African Americans” thinking that because they are free of the imperfections of the rest of us, they should be the face of Black America. Well, you ain’t. Classwise, you are about our top .02%. We may as well say Oprah is the typical Black American if we are going to say that married people with graduate degrees and no out-of-wedlock children descended from the first line of Alphas and AKAs are our face.

P.S. BBC is as terrible as all other news outlets in one respect that is particularly close to my heart. Watching/reading its coverage of ethnics is mind-numbingly cringeworthy. This is because the British hate coloreds. The Mayor of London was elected after publicly calling Blacks pickaninnies.

29 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ Jen -> I was not referring to BBC News to be read as the only media outlet, but instead, as a media outlet to compare with CNN, MSNBC and Fox News networks as well.

Also, I feel that you just took a direct shot at my life b/c my daddy is an Alpha…lol. I can’t help it if I’m bourgeois. (just jokes!)

29 06 2008
George

This isn’t surprising, Nader’s an Arab. Arabs the most vile, racist type of white people that you could ever imagine.

29 06 2008
2cents

First,

I think people should know, that Ralph Nader isn’t “white” he’s Arab. His parents are from Lebanon. This point can easily be negated by the fact that Arabs look down on blacks too….so I’m saving you the trouble if you feel the need to say so. I think the point that Nader is trying to make is that the reason why white people feel so comfortable with Obama is because he is not the “traditional African American”, meaning that he is not the descendant of a slave. Thats why reverend wright scared so many white people….to hear that Obama’s preacher sounds like the black man America is afraid of, made them wonder if they had chosen the right black. Second, I think Ralph Nader’s comments though somewhat unneccesary, should no be scoffed upon by people who don’t know the extent of humantiarianism he has done. (and if someone has said this already, forgive me, i dont have time to read all these comments).

29 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ 2cents…

Funny that the Arabs in this area look down on whites…But I guess that may be an exclusive thing.

29 06 2008
Irami

“Also, I am tired of ultra bourgie “African Americans” thinking that because they are free of the imperfections of the rest of us, they should be the face of Black America. Well, you ain’t. Classwise, you are about our top .02%. We may as well say Oprah is the typical Black American if we are going to say that married people with graduate degrees and no out-of-wedlock children descended from the first line of Alphas and AKAs are our face.”

I don’t give a damn about Iraq. There are 500 murders in Chicago every year. Some 54 percent of black males graduated Chicago Public High Schools, and I think that number doesn’t count the ones who dropped out after Junior High, and Obama pretending that blacks stand in America like the Huxtables doesn’t help. Admittedly, there are quite a few problems in the black community, but there are additional moral problems with the public institutions designed to minister to our community, and those problems aren’t solved with standardized tests, but we wouldn’t know any of this to listen to Obama. White people don’t care about failing urban public education, and attending externalities. They move to the private schools or suburbs. Obama sends his own kids to the Lab School. The problems with public education don’t concern money or testing, they concern character and quality, but we won’t hear any of this because white people don’t care. They care about Iraq. So that’s what we hear. That’s what Obama talks about.

Eleanor Roosevelt once said disparagingly of Kennedy that Kennedy was a man who knew what courage was, and appreciated it in others(Kennedy had written “Profiles in Courage”), but hadn’t enough himself. (She was an Adlai Stevenson fan) I may hold my nose and vote for Obama, but I want to be clear that I do not want the first black president to be the coward who threw his preacher under a bus for political expediency. Obama doesn’t represent me. He doesn’t represent the quality of character I wish to see in my community.

29 06 2008
James

I’m no fan of McCain. I think we are ignoring Obama’s ties to big business, the fact that he changes what he says to suite each crowd, and just the basic fact that he’s just another politician. Anybody else saying “hope” “change”, McCain included, we would hold to the standard of providing real hope for real change. Obama made more than one speech to APAIC, and if you can’t tell he was promising to back the next war, you’re not looking. Bush never said he was going to attack with no proof. He used the same wrapping Obama is. He even changed what he meant about the Palestinians suffering more than anybody, to what he meant is, because of their own government.
If you feel off you’re better not knowing, cuss at me all you want, because you won’t listen to anybody anyway that isn’t telling you what you want to hear.
McCain sucks too. You have more than two choices you know. Thinking you only have two is an illusion it seems like you’re happy thinking. If all you’re going to do is tell me to F** off for mentioning what it seems we should already know, then you’re welcome to your “discussion”. Oh, I forgot, he’s black, so he’s the only one not lying.
Peace (hopefully)

29 06 2008
Amadeo

Hopefully one day people will realize that voting for a politician is a trade-off. Because politics is trading off. No politician can achieve anything working alone. So all they do (if for personal gain or for a noble cause) is to negotiate and exchange favors. The bigger issue is our criticisim of them is normally hypocritical. Give your politician a gun and a bullet proof vest and see if they can clean up crime. When we stop treating them like anything but a representative we have already lost.

29 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Can I say that damnit Black people care about Iraq too. And if you seen the representations of minorities in the military, especially the army (fulla black people) and the marines (fulla latinos) then yes Iraq is of major concern in the black community as well. Including those people who live in urban areas where schools systems suck b.c. the students who do graduate often end up in the military as well. Much like many rural kids. So yes that is a major concern for the black community as well, unfortunately, even though black people are in high numbers in the military, the face of the military is still white country boys. Unlike other institutions with high numbers of black people (prisons, welfare, etc.)

29 06 2008
James

The only reason I am backing Nader is, if everyone wants peace, our politics our F*d up if we think the only way somebody can be president is by promising war to the right people. Obama may be just lying with his new change on Iran and Palestine, but how am I supposed to trust he’s only lying to the “bad” people. I was hoping that America would show how “transcendent” it is, by voting for somebody like Nader, because he’s proved himself and his message, rather than somebody like Obama, because he says the right things, and yes, because he’s black. I was hoping we would show we were smarter than stupid tricks. I could be wrong, and Obama could be just saying what he needs to in order to get elected, but I agree with Nader, that he’s censoring himself to the point of becoming a different person.

29 06 2008
TomatoHead

Then what do you suggest we do James, Irami and Amadeo? Vote for Nader or Barr and throw a vote away that could possibly have gone to Obama on a candidate who won’t in a million years win? I’d rather have Obama than McCain. We have a two-party system. Sorry to burst your bubble James, but just because we have more than two choices doesn’t mean one of those other choices has an icicle’s chance in hell of getting elected. Voting for Nader or Barr is like torching your vote. There is no point to it.

29 06 2008
James

Torching your vote seems to be voting for somebody who doesn’t represent you, unless Obama does. How do you think slavery was ended? Many great strides we have taken have been from people breaking the illusion and voting for a third party.

29 06 2008
TomatoHead

Slavery wasn’t ended by a third party. What are you talking about?

29 06 2008
Irami

The Republicans of Lincoln’s time were not the firmly established party we assume. The Whigs had fallen out of favor, but they were not dead. Those people who backed and became Republicans in the early years did so at grave risk, and showed a quality of character Obama hasn’t even come close to approaching.

29 06 2008
Angry IV

James – how are you to trust Nader as well? Nader could get elected and start wars with China, North Korea, Iran, and draft your ass to fight.

I’ve always believed in being better safe than sorry, and Obama is the mucho seguro choice in this election.

But you go ahead and vote for Nader. Oh and do yourself a favor and stop talking around here, because I’m pretty sure nobody gives a damn about your opinion.

29 06 2008
Irami

I give a damn about his opinion.

29 06 2008
Jen

@Angry: James’ reasoning is all sound and his facts are correct. Way to shoot the messenger.

Personally, though, I draw the line at throwing my vote away. As I’ve said before, when November rolls around, I’m voting Obama and taking one for the team.

HOWEVER and as I am loathe to point out, if the goal is to avoid war, Nader’s a far safer bet than Obama. I am pretty damn sure that Obama’s win will mean another war for America. He’s bending over for Iran and Israel, and now is not the time for that. The muslim world is too angry–and rightfully so.

29 06 2008
TomatoHead

But Nader WON’T WIN. Stop acting like he’s an option when he clearly is not.

29 06 2008
Jen

Clearly, he’s not bending over for Iran…

I guess I mean he’s bending over OVER Iran and Israel. Which sounds awkward, but hey!

30 06 2008
krazyt4eva

I think that regardless of who wins everyone in America should receive a coupon for a free meal at McDowells. McDonals has the golden arches but mine is the golden arcs…

30 06 2008
Steve-O

Meh. Of course they’d call Obama elitist if he was white. You’re missing the point.

Elitist is a common Republican smear dating back to Adlai “egghead” Stevenson. It was certainly used against Kerry & Dukakis. Hell, even Huckabee even used it against Romney in the Republican primary.

Only Democrat candidates who ducked the label were LBJ, Carter & Clinton. What do those 3 have in common? “Elitist” is part of the southern strategy.

30 06 2008
Nick

.S. BBC is as terrible as all other news outlets in one respect that is particularly close to my heart. Watching/reading its coverage of ethnics is mind-numbingly cringeworthy. This is because the British hate coloreds. The Mayor of London was elected after publicly calling Blacks pickaninnies.

How about we avoid generalisations.

The mayor of London is voted for by the people of London, not the rest of the country.

40% of Londoners are from an ethnic minority group.

And – I suspect – a fair few of the votes for Boris were because people were sick of the incumbent who had been in power for so long he was beginning to feel entitled.

Cheers

30 06 2008
Nick

Another thing,

Who are “the British”?

And who are “the colored”?

Give me some definitions and then we can have a proper argument.

30 06 2008
ChaoticDiva

going along with Nick:

Isn’t Corrine Bailey Rae British? Isn’t she colored as well?

What about Naomi Campbell? How about Jamelia? Leona Lewis?

…its like saying even though I was born in the states, I can’t be American.

(click my name to see my photo)

30 06 2008
James

The Republicans replaced the Whigs at the time. There were two options, the Democrats and the Whigs. Both wanted slavery (aka, war), but a third party rose that said no. I admit that was over a hundred years ago though, but a third party did win, and it did change things.

http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/entry.php?rec=975

Abraham Lincoln wasn’t really anti-slavery though, at least it seems from his writings, he just thought that was the only way to save the nation at the time. It does suck what the Republicans became. It is kind of weird these days to think they were the third party voted in that ended slavery.

I know it seems like throwing the vote away to just vote third party, but it just seems like a mind-trip that we only have two options. Which country would you like be in war with, Iran or Iraq? Do you want to be lied to or ignored? Some options.

This seems like the first time in a long time that we have so much information, and time to learn about the options. We have to stop acting like we can’t question Obama or McCain will win, or we will make Obama a worse person. We have months to figure this out.

If Obama and Nader get a real discussion going, or even McKinney, it seems like we’ll all be better off. Nader has proven himself anti war over the years, to me at least. He’s the one that lobbied to get us the freedom of information act a long time ago. His website is http://www.votenader.org. He’s fought for citizen rights for decades.

He’s speaking to Muslims about discrimination, while Obama’s discriminating against Muslims. He has a consistent history, and I think at the least, his challenge will make Obama a better person.

http://www.latimes.com/business/careers/work/la-na-obama19-2008jun19,0,525523.story

http://www.washington-report.org/archives/May_2004/0405072.html

30 06 2008
Jen

Colored = Non-white

British = Residents of the UK in my use…especially the white ones which make up the vast majority of the UK

Who cares if 40% of London is colored?? 99.9999999% of the rest of the UK is white as all hell. And the fact that what is by far the UK’s diverse city is run by someone who publicly calls Blacks pickaninnies is a damn shame.

And like a few other things I’ve stated here, I refuse to argue this point. If you are literate, not completely culturally misoriented and regularly read/watch the BBC, what I am talking about is glaring. The most egregious instance of this in my recent memory was the reference to the “shocking humanity” of a family of non-white people in a Land of Exotica suffering from a genetic deformity. Coverage of African events and people is particularly ridiculous.

ChaoticDiva, I hope you were being facetious. In the 60’s, Americans were betaken with the Supremes, Ronnie Spector and Muhammad Ali. Was this a fair representation of race relations at the time?

By the way, there have been scores of books and articles written about how the British media continually equates patriotism with whiteness. They express the point far better than I can.

30 06 2008
Sandybaby

“Obama is a black man who, by some miracle, has managed to get a large part of the American public to look as his character first and his color second.”

Let the church say – AMEN!

1 07 2008
anonymous

There is one incorrect statement in this blog post that I want to correct – Ralph Nader is not white. He’s off-white (he’s Lebanese, which makes him Middle Eastern).

1 07 2008
Kit (Keep It Trill)

FANTASTIC POST!

1 07 2008
Omar

“Ralph Nader is not white. He’s off-white”

He’s just off…

2 07 2008
Irami

No more fist bumping.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-over-fist-bumping/

This is the new black leader. What a role model.

2 07 2008
Hybrid-Lova

ChaoticDiva
I LOVE leona lewis! she is the new mariah carey! Except her voice might not be as good, i dont think she can pull the super high notes that mariah could/used to, but she is gorgeous. She needs to move to the US and dump her electrician boyfriend back in england. I think with the right amount of help, she can be HUGE HUGE here. I know she allready is, but I think she could have Icon DIVA status. She needs to act a bit more bitchy and mariah-esque. She needs to work on her fans, build a loyal support system that will back her for decades, aka the gays, fat girls, whores, whatever is left of britneys fans, kelly clarksons fans, the educated black community, and people fed up with whitney houston and her crazy coke ways.

3 07 2008
James

It seemed like I was blocked but maybe things just took a long time to get approved. I don’t care about fist bumping or even a sholder slug. I just don’t want any more war. I think it’s time to evolve.
I don’t know if Nader will win, but obvously he’s an option, or there would be all this mind f*ng.
So, I admit. I’ve asked around and the “peace” story is he’s just lying to get elected. The “conservative” story is that he just did what he needed to in Chicago.
What do you think? I think these times are important. I know McCain’s freddy cruger practically. The reaction to Obama made me think we want real hope for real change though, but I don’t know now.
Check this out last year. It’s kind of funny – http://www.newsweek.com/id/55429?tid=relatedcl

3 07 2008
ChaoticDiva

@ Hybrid….most ‘importantly’ she needs to drop her song writers/ producer…she’s got talent, but singing pop songs for mediocre people who can only carry tunes is not going to propel her to stardom.

Did you see her perform Summertime? I was like omg!!! That and her rendition of Loving You was impeccable.

7 07 2008
Nick

It is a shame Jen,

but to describe the a country of sixty million people as “hating coloureds” based on the votes of eight million people (40% who are not “white”) is a bit of a stretch.

There is racism in this country for sure, but “The Brits” are not blanket racists. Many are struggling to come to terms with a massive influx of immigrants into their country (I happen to be one of those immigrants). Right now the concern is not about african or asian immigrants, but the Polish!

7 07 2008
Nick

Pardon the wink emoticon, I screwed up with my typing.

21 07 2008
Ariah

Wait, Obama isn’t elite? I thought he was running for president. Hm.

30 07 2008
Jamaal

Man. I’ve been reading your entries for the past hr or so and you have one of the funniest blogs I’ve ever read. A lot of what you say is true and it’s good to know there are other similarly minded people in the world.

23 09 2008
johnofsilence

Open the debates! First one is Friday!

I’m not a bot, I know you care about the democracy of our government, so we need to get this done. There are 6 Presidential candidates this year all of which are qualified and capable of winning, so why are there only 2 people on the debate! Bigotry, two party bias! Let’s flood the email inbox and the phone lines with: Open the Debates.

It takes 5 mins. Please help me make a difference . Below is a script but please feel free to appropriately modify it to support your candidate .

Step one:

Call Barack Obama at 866-675-2008.
Hit 6 to speak with a campaign volunteer.
Once connected, politely deliver the following message:

Hi, my name is …

I was wondering if Senator Obama, being a believer in equal opportunity and equal rights, could insist that Ralph Nader and other ballot qualified third party candidates be included in the upcoming Presidential debates?
After all, Nader is on 45 state ballots.
And he’s polling well nationwide. And he could help Senator Obama challenge the corporate Republicans.
True, Ralph would critique Senator Obama for his corporate ties also. But isn’t that what democracy is about? Could you please leave this message for the campaign manager? Thank you.

Step two:

E-mail Janet Brown jb@debates.org, the executive director of the Commission on Presidential Debates.

Here’s a sample e-mail:

Dear Janet Brown:

Greetings. You must be busy. Preparing for the first Presidential debate this Friday. So, I won’t take much of your time. Just wanted to let you know that the American people were not born yesterday. We know the deal. Take that little private corporation that you run. Controlled by the two corporate parties. And funded by big business. For the purpose of excluding independent minded candidates. Friday, two Wall Street candidates are scheduled to be in the ring. Barack Obama and John McCain. The one candidate who represents the American people, Main Street, if you will, will be on the outside looking in. So, here’s a simple request. Drop your exclusionary restrictions. And let Ralph Nader into the debates.
It will be good for your conscience. Good for the American people. (I believe it was The League of Women Voters that called your corporatized debates “campaign-trail charades devoid of substance, spontaneity, and honest answers to tough questions.”) And good for democracy. Let the American people have a real debate for once. Main Street vs. Wall Street.

Thank you.

Signed
your name.

4 11 2008
stereotypical white guy

Haha, faggot nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger niggernigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger it don’t matter if he wins, he’ll just get killed anyways. God Bless America! 🙂

17 08 2009
Matt

Everything you said is true and I’m sad to see the public like that and most of Ralph Nadar supporters from what I’ve seen at my college are pricks who think because they can customize and use Linux they are awesome and alternative to everyone else. Sadly ppl still judge by skin rather than a persons personality/character. Glad to see him win though not that I ever doubted he wouldn’t had McCain won we would’ve had 4 more years of bullshit.

Also there is no such thing as talking “white” as a white person I’m sick of hearing about it because everyone can talk how they want to “white” seems just to be a way to say talking proper which isn’t the case any and everyone can talk proper if they want to(or if they are interviewing to get a job) its bullshit they stereotype black ppl the same they do in the 20’s as jive talking fools. Fuck rednecks are a perfect example of poor linguistic skills in white ppl.

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