Fraternities and Sororities

6 06 2008

Just to begin: I know this post is a bad idea. I know that a good 90% of my readers are members of Greek organizations. I also know that I don’t give a shit. With that said…

Last night I wound up on StuffBlackGreeksLike. The June 5th entry featured an angry email (I like anger) from some indignant chick demanding her picture and comments about her be removed from a previous post that was apparently a literary suplex of her moral character. I was naturally intrigued by what was said to make her so angry, so I read on to the post in question – something about ‘Making Ghosts.

Figure 1: Stuff Black Greeks Hate – This Chick

The ‘Making Ghosts’ post is the most insanely cryptic thing I’ve ever read, which is impressive considering that articles like this one make perfect sense to me. Strange proprietary words like ghost, perp, yard, line, and BGLO were scattered casually throughout the page as if the author and those in the know were tacitly thumbing their noses at those who were not.

But the reason this enraged me wasn’t because I had no idea what was being talked about. It was because, while reading it, I couldn’t help but imagine a bunch of 9 year olds who’d formed a secret club beating up on some chick who was ‘pretending’ to be a member. There’s honestly something very…juvenile…about the whole ‘treehouse’ juju surrounding fraternities and sororities (which for brevity’s sake I’ll simply refer to now as GOs – Greek Orgs).

The biggest gripe I have with GOs is that they claim to be social organizations while their very existence relies on practices that are fundamentally anti-social: secrecy, exclusivity, rivalry, and other things that appeal to sociopaths. Many GOs make inordinate demands on the time of their pledges during a time when students are most likely to drop out, and when it comes to black GOs I simply think they should know better and be more socially responsible. Then, of course, there’s the fact that shit like this happens:

Figure 2: …..Why?

Since I was genuinely curious, I figured I’d look around on Google for a list of benefits of joining GOs as told by Greeks themselves. After 4 minutes of groundbreaking research…I couldn’t find much benefit, especially for people that don’t have a socially awkward nature. The top benefits listed were:

  • You get to meet new people (I fail to see why you need a GO to do this)
  • You get to participate in community service activities (I fail to see why you need a GO to do this)
  • You may get to live in a frathouse (So what?)
  • You get to treat new pledges like shit once you’re a member (ok, psycho)
  • You participate in ‘secret’ Greek events (I’ve crashed several of these so-called secret events, which always just turned out to be a barbecue or house party or some shit instead the Priory-of-Sion-type goings on I was hoping for)
  • Stomp Dancing*

This pales in comparison to what I view as the downside of joining a GO:

  • During your pledge period, you typically have to kiss the asses of people who don’t even deserve respect from their own mothers
  • Your pledge period has a very good chance of fucking up your freshman year, particularly if your major demands more than a pulse to succeed
  • You often have to learn intricate and inane rituals, codes, speech, handshakes, and other childish bullshit
  • You often have to adopt tiresome rivalries with other GOs for no other reason than “it’s tradition”
  • Elephant Walk
  • You have to attend national or regional conferences where you meet a bunch of Fake CEOs, douchebags with master’s degrees, and other people that God is chomping at the bit to wipe out with a second flood
  • After you graduate, you have to fish the oceans of your soul for reasons that your GO is still relevant to you, or anything at all

Figure 3: The only fraternity that ever mattered

*Even I’ll admit that Stomp is cool. If, however, I catch my son Stomping, I will murder him. Stomping is an intricate, coordinated dance that takes a fairly long time to learn to do well…and it’s all time my boy could have and should have spent studying or wrestling grizzly bears. I’ll be damned if my boy is going to be flipping burgers with his degree in ‘general studies’ because he wanted to “stomp like an Iota”

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6 06 2008
ILoveChris

I agree 100% with you. They usally are fat and ugly who were not popular in high school.

6 06 2008
Angry IV

I’m not going to touch this one with a 10-foot pole…because I’ll be too busy listing the wealth of reasons why I agree with you. My best friend joined, and his reason I understood – he went to a predominantly white private high school, and at our predominantly (super predominantly) white university, he wanted to be around more than 6 black people since he came from the hood and never got to be around blacks that were trying to do something with their lives. Granted most of them were in college getting communications or AA Studies degrees, at least they were in school and not out on the corner with them two-for-five purple tops.

6 06 2008
stuffgirlshlike

I love you Chris, we have to have a strategy for stopping Black people selling their souls to the ligh bringer ( Lucifer). I am disgusted that Black people in America have signed up to the same secret societies which had them shipped to from West Africa.

Ministers like Jesse Jackson, Andrew Young, Eddie Long, Jamal Bryant should be exposed as false christians for joining secret sun worship. Read Ezekiel 8.

6 06 2008
stuffgirlshlike

I fogort to give you my web address, great post.

http://stuffgirlslike.wordpress.com

6 06 2008
Hot,Cool&Vicious

“Stomp dancing” and “stomp like an Iota” completely confirmed my initial reaction to immediately nullify your opinion on this matter

6 06 2008
PrettyPiscesGirl

Hmm…first of all, as a member of a Black Greek Letter Sorority, let me explain WHY we take “perping” (or perpetrating) membership so seriously. Many of us paid our HARD EARNED money to be duly initiated members of the organization. We also continue to pay our HARD EARNED money to support these organizations who have done/still do much good in the community. That is why we bug out when folks who have not done the same wear the letters of our various orgs.
As for the negative connotations to Greek Life…well, I won’t sit here and pretend that some folks haven’t given our orgs a bad name (black and white). Much of the problems come in when riff-raff are allowed to join (whole ‘nother convo). As far as grades, I (and my sisters) had no problems during our membership process keeping our grades up. Since one of our principles is SCHOLARSHIP, we had mandatory study periods. Accordingly, all of us had a 3.0 or higher AFTER completing said process. Many fellow greeks have also done the same. And most schools do not allow freshmen to join BGLOs…because they want to make sure that they ARE focusing on academics their freshman year.
But I certainly don’t have to “search the oceans of my soul” to figure out why I’m still active and voluntarily give of my money and time. I’m still there because I believe in what my founders stood for, what my REAL sorors stand for, and the programs we’ve initiated that have benefitted hundreds of thousands of persons since our inception.

In any event, I will go ahead and give this disclaimer to everyone…we can agree to disagree. I’m aware that many people have been turned off to Greeks because of the idiots who do idiotic stuff in name of the organization. I myself would like to flog them mercilessly. But ALL Greeks cannot be lumped the same category or painted with the same brush.

6 06 2008
Michael

I agree with you whole heartedly. I never got the allure of letting someone who sucks or may be stupider, uglier then me hazing me. I have a few friends and family members who were married into my family that are Sigmas and I like them a lot. That being said these are the usual types of greeks I have observed. (I am sure I will be e-kicked in the face for this)

1. Successful: These are the ones who even if they never joined a frat they would still know everyone and do pretty good in school. Our black school president at a PW school a few years back was this kind and ended up joining Kappas because he felt like it his senior year.

2. Douche Bag: These are the sociopaths who love controlling people. They would make great serial killers if they liked that kind of thing and want nothing more then to embarrass people.

3. Loser: Basically they were losers who wanted desperately to fit in and they know it works. I knew a kid who was ugly as the day is long, joined a frat, got plenty of groupie love. Had to join a Spanish frat though because the black ones he would be just another nigga, he stood out in a Spanish frat.

6 06 2008
creativecat

Yeah, I’ve always thought fraternities/sororities were stupid–although frat parties were great places to get drunk when I was 15. Luckily, my school didn’t have any. :p

All I can think of when I think of “Greek life” is movies like Animal House and Revenge of the Nerds.

6 06 2008
sarah

“Stomp dancing” and “stomp like an Iota” completely confirmed my initial reaction to immediately nullify your opinion on this matter

i concur

6 06 2008
Prime Minister Cinema

wow. i thought it was just me but glad to know somebody else is calling this bullshit out. it does seem a wee bit highschoolish. my sister-in-law put pressure on my niece to join one of these things. she finally sucumbed. sad. it confuses me even more when a grown ass 40 something year old man joins the “graduate chapter”. ok maybe fresh outta high school you’re young and impressionable and crave to belong and or reap the benefits of those who are easily influenced and led by their noses but a grown ass man or woman. please get a life. i joined a psuedo frat in highschool. (i guess it was like a prep school for the herd mentality) mooooo. we/they are having a reunion weekend after next. evrerybody is supposed to wear the same color nd shit. (by the way i hate this same color party shit) im going but was reluctant because i anticipate much bullshit. i respect and love some of the people but the organizationbrings out some weird shit in the others sometimes. at the first smell of bullshit though, i’m out. im not drinking the kool-aid. …and fuck jim jones and warren jeffs. ok im not saying that the greeks are all bad but as you so aptly pointed out, you don’t need the Greeks to participate in the things they claim to be about. …and if you are truly about those things there may be better organizations to achieve those desires. i question the motivation of the majority of the people who join GO’s because i imagine they are not joining for what the primary “mission” is purported to be. anyways to each his own.

6 06 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

““Stomp dancing” and “stomp like an Iota” completely confirmed my initial reaction to immediately nullify your opinion on this matter”

You dance by stomping. Therefore, stomp dancing. Just like my form of dance – you dance while wearing fancy-colored feathers, therefore it’s called fancy feather dancing.

Anyone who doesn’t call stomp dancing ‘stomp dancing’ is a pompous asshole.

6 06 2008
PrettyPiscesGirl

1. Successful: These are the ones who even if they never joined a frat they would still know everyone and do pretty good in school. Our black school president at a PW school a few years back was this kind and ended up joining Kappas because he felt like it his senior year.

Insert sorority for frat and this would describe me. I was serving as freshman class president at the time I joined my sorority. Didn’t need to join, but I WANTED to.

6 06 2008
Landon

Chris your blog is great, but we can always agree to disagree…
I pledged at Morehouse College, Phi Beta Sigma (Chi Chapter)… Spring 01… And i am also one of those Duchebags who has his masters. I have many reasons why I pledged: my brother pledged at the same school and chapter, the history of the organization, the good they do in the community, i like to step, networking (my first internship was because of frat).
Many of our “Leaders” not named Sharpton (I hate that fat bastard) were part of these organizations. These Greek organizations behind closed doors helped organize the civil rights movement, re-energize the importance of education and much more..
About pledging, if the “Process” is done right it’s priceless. Its about becoming ONE with your line. As much hell and shit I experienced its nothing compared to America. If I have to SIT THROUGH ANYMORE OF THESE BULL SHIT MEETINGS I AM GOING TO GO POSTAL ON SOMEONE… Just give me my WOOD any day over this ”OFFICE SPACE” TPS REPORT BS. My process made me push myself to my physical, emotional and mental limit. If anything it helped me prepare for this Corporate CRAP.
(My Line) The 7 of us came in as complete strangers but finished as Brothers. We would do anything for each other.
My family has very few traditions. My brother and I wanted to start some. We went to Morehouse, pledged Sigma and went to Columbia for Grad School. Hopefully his three sons will do the same and when I have sons I hope they will do the same. Positive traditions are something we need in our community. I apologize for my horrible grammar… Peace. “ The MAN is Paging me.

Keep up the Good work… you help my day at work go a little faster… And you help me from not taking to the bottle of scotch in my desk.

6 06 2008
Tasha

I hate to comment on this but, I feel like I can at least be pretty impartial, unlike most of the responses. I personally never felt the urge to join a sorority, however there are many benefits. The biggest of which in my opinion would have to be networking. So many of my friends/family have gotten opportunities simply based on their membership in such an organization. My younger sister got an internship because the man who interviewed her happened to be married to a woman in the same organization. At this point there is much less hazing than there used to be and the connections can be invaluable.

PS. It is called stepping not stomp dancing (stomp dancing is clearly a few different types of dance none of which are associated with Black Greek Letter Organizations)

6 06 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

“PS. It is called stepping not stomp dancing (stomp dancing is clearly a few different types of dance none of which are associated with Black Greek Letter Organizations)”

I know that most people insist on calling it ‘stepping’, but I refuse to do this because it’s inaccurate. I don’t call stomp dancing ‘stepping’ for the name reason I don’t call hookers ‘ladies of the evening.’

6 06 2008
PrettyPiscesGirl

“Landon said

Chris your blog is great, but we can always agree to disagree…
I pledged at Morehouse College, Phi Beta Sigma (Chi Chapter)… Spring 01… And i am also one of those Duchebags who has his masters. I have many reasons why I pledged: my brother pledged at the same school and chapter, the history of the organization, the good they do in the community, i like to step, networking (my first internship was because of frat).”

Shout out to my FRAT!!! I’m Spring ’97…

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

I havent read this yet but by reading the title i know you gonna sturr up some shit…ok now back to reading 🙂

6 06 2008
Landon

You dont need the greek organization to do community service, but when you have 50k strong focusing on one community issue a lot more good can be done. What the Greek organzations are in school are different once you graudated. Unlike most white frats, black frats are for life. All thr rivalry BS is squashed once you graduate… I just went to my 5 year reunion and all the Organizations worked together to raise money for our school. The chapters at my school were pretty cool with one another. I didnt pledge to fit in. I didnt pledge to get girls (i was able to do that on my own). WHen i crossed I didnt become brand new on people. I was still good ol’ Landon. I was just a part of something i identified with. Motto: Culture for Service – Service for Humanity.

6 06 2008
Cola

Lol! This is hilarious as usual and I totally agree with you!

6 06 2008
JaBe

Of course people pledge GLOs for different reasons be it for the community service, the sister/brotherhood or the connections or pulling of strings that may be afforded to them once they’re searching for a job. Yes, those very things could be afforded to you without pledging, but as the saying goes: it’s not what you know, but who you know. And as it goes many have benefitted from having the association of being a part of GLOs. Conversely, because of their philanthropic work, several people have been given an honorary membership so the organization can reap the benefit of the association of those individuals. With most anything there’s good bad and in between.

6 06 2008
Eric

Is an Iota. Has a Masters in Management.

6 06 2008
JaBe

Landon,

I think I know you. Perhaps I’ll find out August 9th.

6 06 2008
Knatural

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
Opinion not truth: If I hear another high-pitched skeeee weeee or see another chick pressed to wear pink & green (which is hideous when combined) or another dude brand himself or another asshole talk about what they do in the community, I may stab someone with a spoon. Sororities and Fraternities are just large cliques. Though members of my family are Deltas, AKAs, Alphas – whatever, they aren’t all in your face about. What irks me about these cliques is that people introduce the Sorority/Fraternity before themselves. I’d rather get to know the individual first, not your effing club.

6 06 2008
Yonnie3k

Landon, do you live in NY? Do you vacation in St. Croix?

6 06 2008
JaBe

My bad, I mean Aug 11th.

6 06 2008
Landon

Yes I do live in Harlem and Yes I Vacy in St. Croix all the time, lol… LMAO

6 06 2008
Landon

This damn Young black professional world… is too DAMN SMALL!

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

ahh ok now i have read this…dammit and this why I told my family i would never join a GO!!! OMGGGG like everyother person in my family is part of a GO..Personally I dont take well to my “peers” telling me what to do…and if they tried they would proabably get cursed out… I never really understood the whole GO thing but i have been to plenty of their parties since i have friends at Spelman and Morehouse…Stepping is cool but that shit aint for everyone…

Chris-I know that most people insist on calling it ’stepping’, but I refuse to do this because it’s inaccurate. I don’t call stomp dancing ’stepping’ for the name reason I don’t call hookers ‘ladies of the evening.’

BWHAHAHAHAHAHhnsddksgafkjf!@#$%^&*()_

6 06 2008
SoLO AKT

Member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. who has a BA, J.D., and wasn’t fat, ugly or unpopular in high school. Still a great blog.

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

Knat-THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
Opinion not truth: If I hear another high-pitched skeeee weeee or see another chick pressed to wear pink & green (which is hideous when combined) or another dude brand himself or another asshole talk about what they do in the community, I may stab someone with a spoon. Sororities and Fraternities are just large cliques. Though members of my family are Deltas, AKAs, Alphas – whatever, they aren’t all in your face about. What irks me about these cliques is that people introduce the Sorority/Fraternity before themselves. I’d rather get to know the individual first, not your effing club.

i freakin love you…yes this shit happens every other day too me im like NIGGAWWW i dont give a fuck what frat you from que es tu nomber??? so i can sign your ass in to the system bitch! I wanna tell them soo bad ” yo ma aint no where on this application does it ask what sorority you’re from and no it wont help you get a job here, so gimmie your resume and i’ll e-mail you back SHIT”. 🙂

6 06 2008
boobookittyfck

Omg this is so true my friend and I are done with college and she decides to join a sorority in grad school. When i found out I was in shock and awe and like wtf….. now she’s in it and her car is a moving fucking billboard of her sorority ….every time I get in I would like to kill myself lol, And the funny thing is it has not affected her life one bit…… so my question is why join? I can possibly see freshman year but we are in grad so…….I don’t know if its for self esteem or connections but after experiencing this annoying behavior i hope I want eventually kill her and buy some cats lol I joke I joke:)

6 06 2008
Landon

in my experience if met someone who was in a different organization then me but pledged it made networking easier. I guess if you really pledged and you meet someone who you really pledged you have a common experience even though you are in different org.

Its no different then knowing how to play golf or Poker. if you have someone in common with the person who is interviewing it gives you a leg up on the competetion.

Its no different if you are being interviewed by someone who went to the same school as you… If anything pledging does limit any oppurtunties for me but it does open one or two more doors then someone who didnt pledge… (no? )

6 06 2008
Prime Minister Cinema

btw, figure 3. still a part of that. big up to Denmark Vesey, Haile Selassie, Huey Newton, Marcus Garvey, Frederick Douglas, Booker T. Washington, A.G. Gaston etc. etc.

In fact since July fourth is coming up. just a reminder before you spend your last dime on a 4th of july outfit and wine.

What to the Slave is the Fourth of July?

Frederick Douglass
July 5, 1852
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Mr. President, Friends and Fellow Citizens: He who could address this audience without a quailing sensation, has stronger nerves than I have. I do not remember ever to have appeared as a speaker before any assembly more shrinkingly, nor with greater distrust of my ability, than I do this day. A feeling has crept over me, quite unfavorable to the exercise of my limited powers of speech. The task before me is one which requires much previous thought and study for its proper performance. I know that apologies of this sort are generally considered flat and unmeaning. I trust, however, that mine will not be so considered. Should I seem at ease, my appearance would much misrepresent me. The little experience I have had in addressing public meetings, in country schoolhouses, avails me nothing on the present occasion.

The papers and placards say, that I am to deliver a 4th [of] July oration. This certainly sounds large, and out of the common way, for it is true that I have often had the privilege to speak in this beautiful Hall, and to address many who now honor me with their presence. But neither their familiar faces, nor the perfect gage I think I have of Corinthian Hall, seems to free me from embarrassment.

The fact is, ladies and gentlemen, the distance between this platform and the slave plantation, from which I escaped, is considerable—and the difficulties to be overcome in getting from the latter to the former, are by no means slight. That I am here to-day is, to me, a matter of astonishment as well as of gratitude. You will not, therefore, be surprised, if in what I have to say. I evince no elaborate preparation, nor grace my speech with any high sounding exordium. With little experience and with less learning, I have been able to throw my thoughts hastily and imperfectly together; and trusting to your patient and generous indulgence, I will proceed to lay them before you.

This, for the purpose of this celebration, is the 4th of July. It is the birthday of your National Independence, and of your political freedom. This, to you, is what the Passover was to the emancipated people of God. It carries your minds back to the day, and to the act of your great deliverance; and to the signs, and to the wonders, associated with that act, and that day. This celebration also marks the beginning of another year of your national life; and reminds you that the Republic of America is now 76 years old. I am glad, fellow-citizens, that your nation is so young. Seventy-six years, though a good old age for a man, is but a mere speck in the life of a nation. Three score years and ten is the allotted time for individual men; but nations number their years by thousands. According to this fact, you are, even now, only in the beginning of your national career, still lingering in the period of childhood. I repeat, I am glad this is so. There is hope in the thought, and hope is much needed, under the dark clouds which lower above the horizon. The eye of the reformer is met with angry flashes, portending disastrous times; but his heart may well beat lighter at the thought that America is young, and that she is still in the impressible stage of her existence. May he not hope that high lessons of wisdom, of justice and of truth, will yet give direction to her destiny? Were the nation older, the patriot’s heart might be sadder, and the reformer’s brow heavier. Its future might be shrouded in gloom, and the hope of its prophets go out in sorrow. There is consolation in the thought that America is young. Great streams are not easily turned from channels, worn deep in the course of ages. They may sometimes rise in quiet and stately majesty, and inundate the land, refreshing and fertilizing the earth with their mysterious properties. They may also rise in wrath and fury, and bear away, on their angry waves, the accumulated wealth of years of toil and hardship. They, however, gradually flow back to the same old channel, and flow on as serenely as ever. But, while the river may not be turned aside, it may dry up, and leave nothing behind but the withered branch, and the unsightly rock, to howl in the abyss-sweeping wind, the sad tale of departed glory. As with rivers so with nations.

Fellow-citizens, I shall not presume to dwell at length on the associations that cluster about this day. The simple story of it is that, 76 years ago, the people of this country were British subjects. The style and title of your “sovereign people” (in which you now glory) was not then born. You were under the British Crown . Your fathers esteemed the English Government as the home government; and England as the fatherland. This home government, you know, although a considerable distance from your home, did, in the exercise of its parental prerogatives, impose upon its colonial children, such restraints, burdens and limitations, as, in its mature judgment, it deemed wise, right and proper.

But, your fathers, who had not adopted the fashionable idea of this day, of the infallibility of government, and the absolute character of its acts, presumed to differ from the home government in respect to the wisdom and the justice of some of those burdens and restraints. They went so far in their excitement as to pronounce the measures of government unjust, unreasonable, and oppressive, and altogether such as ought not to be quietly submitted to. I scarcely need say, fellow-citizens, that my opinion of those measures fully accords with that of your fathers. Such a declaration of agreement on my part would not be worth much to anybody. It would, certainly, prove nothing, as to what part I might have taken, had I lived during the great controversy of 1776. To say now that America was right, and England wrong, is exceedingly easy. Everybody can say it; the dastard, not less than the noble brave, can flippantly discant on the tyranny of England towards the American Colonies. It is fashionable to do so; but there was a time when to pronounce against England, and in favor of the cause of the colonies, tried men’s souls. They who did so were accounted in their day, plotters of mischief, agitators and rebels, dangerous men. To side with the right, against the wrong, with the weak against the strong, and with the oppressed against the oppressor! here lies the merit, and the one which, of all others, seems unfashionable in our day. The cause of liberty may be stabbed by the men who glory in the deeds of your fathers. But, to proceed.

Feeling themselves harshly and unjustly treated by the home government, your fathers, like men of honesty, and men of spirit, earnestly sought redress. They petitioned and remonstrated; they did so in a decorous, respectful, and loyal manner. Their conduct was wholly unexceptionable. This, however, did not answer the purpose. They saw themselves treated with sovereign indifference, coldness and scorn. Yet they persevered. They were not the men to look back.

As the sheet anchor takes a firmer hold, when the ship is tossed by the storm, so did the cause of your fathers grow stronger, as it breasted the chilling blasts of kingly displeasure. The greatest and best of British statesmen admitted its justice, and the loftiest eloquence of the British Senate came to its support. But, with that blindness which seems to be the unvarying characteristic of tyrants, since Pharaoh and his hosts were drowned in the Red Sea, the British Government persisted in the exactions complained of.

The madness of this course, we believe, is admitted now, even by England; but we fear the lesson is wholly lost on our present ruler.

Oppression makes a wise man mad. Your fathers were wise men, and if they did not go mad, they became restive under this treatment. They felt themselves the victims of grievous wrongs, wholly incurable in their colonial capacity. With brave men there is always a remedy for oppression. Just here, the idea of a total separation of the colonies from the crown was born! It was a startling idea, much more so, than we, at this distance of time, regard it. The timid and the prudent (as has been intimated) of that day, were, of course, shocked and alarmed by it.

Such people lived then, had lived before, and will, probably, ever have a place on this planet; and their course, in respect to any great change, (no matter how great the good to be attained, or the wrong to be redressed by it), may be calculated with as much precision as can be the course of the stars. They hate all changes, but silver, gold and copper change! Of this sort of change they are always strongly in favor.

These people were called Tories in the days of your fathers; and the appellation, probably, conveyed the same idea that is meant by a more modern, though a somewhat less euphonious term, which we often find in our papers, applied to some of our old politicians.

Their opposition to the then dangerous thought was earnest and powerful; but, amid all their terror and affrighted vociferations against it, the alarming and revolutionary idea moved on, and the country with it.

On the 2d of July, 1776, the old Continental Congress, to the dismay of the lovers of ease, and the worshipers of property, clothed that dreadful idea with all the authority of national sanction. They did so in the form of a resolution; and as we seldom hit upon resolutions, drawn up in our day whose transparency is at all equal to this, it may refresh your minds and help my story if I read it. “Resolved, That these united colonies are, and of right, ought to be free and Independent States; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown; and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain is, and ought to be, dissolved.”

Citizens, your fathers made good that resolution. They succeeded; and to-day you reap the fruits of their success. The freedom gained is yours; and you, therefore, may properly celebrate this anniversary. The 4th of July is the first great fact in your nation’s history – the very ring-bolt in the chain of your yet undeveloped destiny.

Pride and patriotism, not less than gratitude, prompt you to celebrate and to hold it in perpetual remembrance. I have said that the Declaration of Independence is the ring-bolt to the chain of your nation’s destiny; so, indeed, I regard it. The principles contained in that instrument are saving principles. Stand by those principles, be true to them on all occasions, in all places, against all foes, and at whatever cost.

From the round top of your ship of state, dark and threatening clouds may be seen. Heavy billows, like mountains in the distance, disclose to the leeward huge forms of flinty rocks! That bolt drawn, that chain broken, and all is lost. Cling to this day – cling to it, and to its principles, with the grasp of a storm-tossed mariner to a spar at midnight.

The coming into being of a nation, in any circumstances, is an interesting event. But, besides general considerations, there were peculiar circumstances which make the advent of this republic an event of special attractiveness.

The whole scene, as I look back to it, was simple, dignified and sublime.

The population of the country, at the time, stood at the insignificant number of three millions. The country was poor in the munitions of war. The population was weak and scattered, and the country a wilderness unsubdued. There were then no means of concert and combination, such as exist now. Neither steam nor lightning had then been reduced to order and discipline. From the Potomac to the Delaware was a journey of many days. Under these, and innumerable other disadvantages, your fathers declared for liberty and independence and triumphed.

Fellow Citizens, I am not wanting in respect for the fathers of this republic. The signers of the Declaration of Independence were brave men. They were great men too—great enough to give fame to a great age. It does not often happen to a nation to raise, at one time, such a number of truly great men. The point from which I am compelled to view them is not, certainly, the most favorable; and yet I cannot contemplate their great deeds with less than admiration. They were statesmen, patriots and heroes, and for the good they did, and the principles they contended for, I will unite with you to honor their memory.

They loved their country better than their own private interests; and, though this is not the highest form of human excellence, all will concede that it is a rare virtue, and that when it is exhibited, it ought to command respect. He who will, intelligently, lay down his life for his country, is a man whom it is not in human nature to despise. Your fathers staked their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor, on the cause of their country. In their admiration of liberty, they lost sight of all other interests.

They were peace men; but they preferred revolution to peaceful submission to bondage. They were quiet men; but they did not shrink from agitating against oppression. They showed forbearance; but that they knew its limits. They believed in order; but not in the order of tyranny. With them, nothing was “settled” that was not right. With them, justice, liberty and humanity were “final;” not slavery and oppression. You may well cherish the memory of such men. They were great in their day and generation. Their solid manhood stands out the more as we contrast it with these degenerate times.

How circumspect, exact and proportionate were all their movements! How unlike the politicians of an hour! Their statesmanship looked beyond the passing moment, and stretched away in strength into the distant future. They seized upon eternal principles, and set a glorious example in their defense. Mark them!

Fully appreciating the hardship to be encountered, firmly believing in the right of their cause, honorably inviting the scrutiny of an on-looking world, reverently appealing to heaven to attest their sincerity, soundly comprehending the solemn responsibility they were about to assume, wisely measuring the terrible odds against them, your fathers, the fathers of this republic, did, most deliberately, under the inspiration of a glorious patriotism, and with a sublime faith in the great principles of justice and freedom, lay deep the corner-stone of the national superstructure, which has risen and still rises in grandeur around you.

Of this fundamental work, this day is the anniversary. Our eyes are met with demonstrations of joyous enthusiasm. Banners and pennants wave exultingly on the breeze. The din of business, too, is hushed. Even Mammon seems to have quitted his grasp on this day. The ear-piercing fife and the stirring drum unite their accents with the ascending peal of a thousand church bells. Prayers are made, hymns are sung, and sermons are preached in honor of this day; while the quick martial tramp of a great and multitudinous nation, echoed back by all the hills, valleys and mountains of a vast continent, bespeak the occasion one of thrilling and universal interests nation’s jubilee.

Friends and citizens, I need not enter further into the causes which led to this anniversary. Many of you understand them better than I do. You could instruct me in regard to them. That is a branch of knowledge in which you feel, perhaps, a much deeper interest than your speaker. The causes which led to the separation of the colonies from the British crown have never lacked for a tongue. They have all been taught in your common schools, narrated at your firesides, unfolded from your pulpits, and thundered from your legislative halls, and are as familiar to you as household words. They form the staple of your national poetry and eloquence.

I remember, also, that, as a people, Americans are remarkably familiar with all facts which make in their own favor. This is esteemed by some as a national trait – perhaps a national weakness. It is a fact, that whatever makes for the wealth or for the reputation of Americans, and can be had cheap! will be found by Americans. I shall not be charged with slandering Americans, if I say I think the American side of any question may be safely left in American hands.

I leave, therefore, the great deeds of your fathers to other gentlemen whose claim to have been regularly descended will be less likely to be disputed than mine!

THE PRESENT.

My business, if I have any here to-day, is with the present. The accepted time with God and his cause is the ever-living now.

“Trust no future, however pleasant,
Let the dead past bury its dead;
Act, act in the living present,
Heart within, and God overhead.”
We have to do with the past only as we can make it useful to the present and to the future. To all inspiring motives, to noble deeds which can be gained from the past, we are welcome. But now is the time, the important time. Your fathers have lived, died, and have done their work, and have done much of it well. You live and must die, and you must do your work. You have no right to enjoy a child’s share in the labor of your fathers, unless your children are to be blest by your labors. You have no right to wear out and waste the hard-earned fame of your fathers to cover your indolence. Sydney Smith tells us that men seldom eulogize the wisdom and virtues of their fathers, but to excuse some folly or wickedness of their own. This truth is not a doubtful one. There are illustrations of it near and remote, ancient and modern. It was fashionable, hundreds of years ago, for the children of Jacob to boast, we have “Abraham to our father,” when they had long lost Abraham’s faith and spirit. That people contented themselves under the shadow of Abraham’s great name, while they repudiated the deeds which made his name great. Need I remind you that a similar thing is being done all over this country to-day? Need I tell you that the Jews are not the only people who built the tombs of the prophets, and garnished the sepulchres of the righteous? Washington could not die till he had broken the chains of his slaves. Yet his monument is built up by the price of human blood, and the traders in the bodies and souls of men, shout – “We have Washington to our father.” Alas! that it should be so; yet so it is.

“The evil that men do, lives after them,
The good is oft’ interred with their bones.”
“What have I, or those I represent, to do with your national independence?”

Fellow-citizens, pardon me, allow me to ask, why am I called upon to speak here to-day? What have I, or those I represent, to do with your national independence? Are the great principles of political freedom and of natural justice, embodied in that Declaration of Independence, extended to us? and am I, therefore, called upon to bring our humble offering to the national altar, and to confess the benefits and express devout gratitude for the blessings resulting from your independence to us?

Would to God, both for your sakes and ours, that an affirmative answer could be truthfully returned to these questions! Then would my task be light, and my burden easy and delightful. For who is there so cold, that a nation’s sympathy could not warm him? Who so obdurate and dead to the claims of gratitude, that would not thankfully acknowledge such priceless benefits? Who so stolid and selfish, that would not give his voice to swell the hallelujahs of a nation’s jubilee, when the chains of servitude had been torn from his limbs? I am not that man. In a case like that, the dumb might eloquently speak, and the “lame man leap as an hart.”

But, such is not the state of the case. I say it with a sad sense of the disparity between us. I am not included within the pale of this glorious anniversary! Your high independence only reveals the immeasurable distance between us. The blessings in which you, this day, rejoice, are not enjoyed in common. The rich inheritance of justice, liberty, prosperity and independence, bequeathed by your fathers, is shared by you, not by me. The sunlight that brought life and healing to you, has brought stripes and death to me. This Fourth [of] July is yours, not mine. You may rejoice, I must mourn. To drag a man in fetters into the grand illuminated temple of liberty, and call upon him to join you in joyous anthems, were inhuman mockery and sacrilegious irony. Do you mean, citizens, to mock me, by asking me to speak to-day? If so, there is a parallel to your conduct. And let me warn you that it is dangerous to copy the example of a nation whose crimes, lowering up to heaven, were thrown down by the breath of the Almighty, burying that nation in irrecoverable ruin! I can to-day take up the plaintive lament of a peeled and woe-smitten people!

“By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down. Yea! we wept when we remembered Zion. We hanged our harps upon the willows in the midst thereof. For there, they that carried us away captive, required of us a song; and they who wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing us one of the songs of Zion. How can we sing the Lord’s song in a strange land? If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning. If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth.”

Fellow-citizens; above your national, tumultuous joy, I hear the mournful wail of millions! whose chains, heavy and grievous yesterday, are, to-day, rendered more intolerable by the jubilee shouts that reach them. If I do forget, if I do not faithfully remember those bleeding children of sorrow this day, “may my right hand forget her cunning, and may my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth!” To forget them, to pass lightly over their wrongs, and to chime in with the popular theme, would be treason most scandalous and shocking, and would make me a reproach before God and the world. My subject, then fellow-citizens, is AMERICAN SLAVERY. I shall see, this day, and its popular characteristics, from the slave’s point of view. Standing, there, identified with the American bondman, making his wrongs mine, I do not hesitate to declare, with all my soul, that the character and conduct of this nation never looked blacker to me than on this 4th of July! Whether we turn to the declarations of the past, or to the professions of the present, the conduct of the nation seems equally hideous and revolting. America is false to the past, false to the present, and solemnly binds herself to be false to the future. Standing with God and the crushed and bleeding slave on this occasion, I will, in the name of humanity which is outraged, in the name of liberty which is fettered, in the name of the constitution and the Bible, which are disregarded and trampled upon, dare to call in question and to denounce, with all the emphasis I can command, everything that serves to perpetuate slavery-the great sin and shame of America! “I will not equivocate; I will not excuse;” I will use the severest language I can command; and yet not one word shall escape me that any man, whose judgment is not blinded by prejudice, or who is not at heart a slaveholder, shall not confess to be right and just.

But I fancy I hear some one of my audience say, it is just in this circumstance that you and your brother abolitionists fail to make a favorable impression on the public mind. Would you argue more, and denounce less, would you persuade more, and rebuke less, your cause would be much more likely to succeed. But, I submit, where all is plain there is nothing to be argued. What point in the anti-slavery creed would you have me argue? On what branch of the subject do the people of this country need light? Must I undertake to prove that the slave is a man? That point is conceded already. Nobody doubts it. The slaveholders themselves acknowledge it in the enactment of laws for their government. They acknowledge it when they punish disobedience on the part of the slave. There are seventy-two crimes in the State of Virginia, which, if committed by a black man, (no matter how ignorant he be), subject him to the punishment of death; while only two of the same crimes will subject a white man to the like punishment. What is this but the acknowledgement that the slave is a moral, intellectual and responsible being? The manhood of the slave is conceded. It is admitted in the fact that Southern statute books are covered with enactments forbidding, under severe fines and penalties, the teaching of the slave to read or to write. When you can point to any such laws, in reference to the beasts of the field, then I may consent to argue the manhood of the slave. When the dogs in your streets, when the fowls of the air, when the cattle on your hills, when the fish of the sea, and the reptiles that crawl, shall be unable to distinguish the slave from a brute, their will I argue with you that the slave is a man!

For the present, it is enough to affirm the equal manhood of the Negro race. Is it not astonishing that, while we are ploughing, planting and reaping, using all kinds of mechanical tools, erecting houses, constructing bridges, building ships, working in metals of brass, iron, copper, silver and gold; that, while we are reading, writing and cyphering, acting as clerks, merchants and secretaries, having among us lawyers, doctors, ministers, poets, authors, editors, orators and teachers; that, while we are engaged in all manner of enterprises common to other men, digging gold in California, capturing the whale in the Pacific, feeding sheep and cattle on the hill-side, living, moving, acting, thinking, planning, living in families as husbands, wives and children, and, above all, confessing and worshipping the Christian’s God, and looking hopefully for life and immortality beyond the grave, we are called upon to prove that we are men!

Would you have me argue that man is entitled to liberty? that he is the rightful owner of his own body? You have already declared it. Must I argue the wrongfulness of slavery? Is that a question for Republicans? Is it to be settled by the rules of logic and argumentation, as a matter beset with great difficulty, involving a doubtful application of the principle of justice, hard to be understood? How should I look to-day, in the presence of Americans, dividing, and subdividing a discourse, to show that men have a natural right to freedom? speaking of it relatively, and positively, negatively, and affirmatively. To do so, would be to make myself ridiculous, and to offer an insult to your understanding. There is not a man beneath the canopy of heaven, that does not know that slavery is wrong for him.

What, am I to argue that it is wrong to make men brutes, to rob them of their liberty, to work them without wages, to keep them ignorant of their relations to their fellow men, to beat them with sticks, to flay their flesh with the lash, to load their limbs with irons, to hunt them with dogs, to sell them at auction, to sunder their families, to knock out their teeth, to bum their flesh, to starve them into obedience and submission to their masters? Must I argue that a system thus marked with blood, and stained with pollution, is wrong? No! I will not. I have better employments for my time and strength than such arguments would imply.

What, then, remains to be argued? Is it that slavery is not divine; that God did not establish it; that our doctors of divinity are mistaken? There is blasphemy in the thought. That which is inhuman, cannot be divine! Who can reason on such a proposition? They that can, may; I cannot. The time for such argument is past.

At a time like this, scorching irony, not convincing argument, is needed. O! had I the ability, and could I reach the nation’s ear, I would, to-day, pour out a fiery stream of biting ridicule, blasting reproach, withering sarcasm, and stern rebuke. For it is not light that is needed, but fire; it is not the gentle shower, but thunder. We need the storm, the whirlwind, and the earthquake. The feeling of the nation must be quickened; the conscience of the nation must be roused; the propriety of the nation must be startled; the hypocrisy of the nation must be exposed; and its crimes against God and man must be proclaimed and denounced.

What, to the American slave, is your 4th of July? I answer: a day that reveals to him, more than all other days in the year, the gross injustice and cruelly to which he is the constant victim. To him, your celebration is a sham; your boasted liberty, an unholy license; your national greatness, swelling vanity; your sounds of rejoicing are empty and heartless; your denunciations of tyrants, brass fronted impudence; your shouts of liberty and equality, hollow mockery; your prayers and hymns, your sermons and thanksgivings, with all your religious parade, and solemnity, are, to him, mere bombast, fraud, deception, impiety, and hypocrisy – a thin veil to cover up crimes which would disgrace a nation of savages. There is not a nation on the earth guilty of practices, more shocking and bloody, than are the people of these United States, at this very hour.

Go where you may, search where you will, roam through all the monarchies and despotisms of the old world, travel through South America, search out every abuse, and when you have found the last, lay your facts by the side of the everyday practices of this nation, and you will say with me, that, for revolting barbarity and shameless hypocrisy, America reigns without a rival.

INTERNAL SLAVE TRADE.

Take the American slave-trade, which, we are told by the papers, is especially prosperous just now. Ex-Senator Benton tells us that the price of men was never higher than now. He mentions the fact to show that slavery is in no danger. This trade is one of the peculiarities of American institutions. It is carried on in all the large towns and cities in one-half of this confederacy; and millions are pocketed every year, by dealers in this horrid traffic. In several states, this trade is a chief source of wealth. It is called (in contradistinction to the foreign slave-trade) “the internal slave trade.” It is, probably, called so, too, in order to divert from it the horror with which the foreign slave-trade is contemplated. That trade has long since been denounced by this government, as piracy. It has been denounced with burning words, from the high places of the nation, as an execrable traffic. To arrest it, to put an end to it, this nation keeps a squadron, at immense cost, on the coast of Africa. Everywhere, in this country, it is safe to speak of this foreign slave-trade, as a most inhuman traffic, opposed alike to the laws of God and of man. The duty to extirpate and destroy it, is admitted even by our DOCTORS OF DIVINITY. In order to put an end to it, some of these last have consented that their colored brethren (nominally free) should leave this country, and establish themselves on the western coast of Africa! It is, however, a notable fact that, while so much execration is poured out by Americans upon those engaged in the foreign slave-trade, the men engaged in the slave-trade between the states pass without condemnation, and their business is deemed honorable.

Behold the practical operation of this internal slave-trade, the American slave-trade, sustained by American politics and America religion. Here you will see men and women reared like swine for the market. You know what is a swine-drover? I will show you a man-drover. They inhabit all our Southern States. They perambulate the country, and crowd the highways of the nation, with droves of human stock. You will see one of these human flesh-jobbers, armed with pistol, whip and bowie-knife, driving a company of a hundred men, women, and children, from the Potomac to the slave market at New Orleans. These wretched people are to be sold singly, or in lots, to suit purchasers. They are food for the cotton-field, and the deadly sugar-mill. Mark the sad procession, as it moves wearily along, and the inhuman wretch who drives them. Hear his savage yells and his blood-chilling oaths, as he hurries on his affrighted captives! There, see the old man, with locks thinned and gray. Cast one glance, if you please, upon that young mother, whose shoulders are bare to the scorching sun, her briny tears falling on the brow of the babe in her arms. See, too, that girl of thirteen, weeping, yes! weeping, as she thinks of the mother from whom she has been torn! The drove moves tardily. Heat and sorrow have nearly consumed their strength; suddenly you hear a quick snap, like the discharge of a rifle; the fetters clank, and the chain rattles simultaneously; your ears are saluted with a scream, that seems to have torn its way to the center of your soul! The crack you heard, was the sound of the slave-whip; the scream you heard, was from the woman you saw with the babe. Her speed had faltered under the weight of her child and her chains! that gash on her shoulder tells her to move on. Follow the drove to New Orleans. Attend the auction; see men examined like horses; see the forms of women rudely and brutally exposed to the shocking gaze of American slave-buyers. See this drove sold and separated forever; and never forget the deep, sad sobs that arose from that scattered multitude. Tell me citizens, WHERE, under the sun, you can witness a spectacle more fiendish and shocking. Yet this is but a glance at the American slave-trade, as it exists, at this moment, in the ruling part of the United States.

I was born amid such sights and scenes. To me the American slave-trade is a terrible reality. When a child, my soul was often pierced with a sense of its horrors. I lived on Philpot Street, Fell’s Point, Baltimore, and have watched from the wharves, the slave ships in the Basin, anchored from the shore, with their cargoes of human flesh, waiting for favorable winds to waft them down the Chesapeake. There was, at that time, a grand slave mart kept at the head of Pratt Street, by Austin Woldfolk. His agents were sent into every town and county in Maryland, announcing their arrival, through the papers, and on flaming “hand-bills,” headed CASH FOR NEGROES. These men were generally well dressed men, and very captivating in their manners. Ever ready to drink, to treat, and to gamble. The fate of many a slave has depended upon the turn of a single card; and many a child has been snatched from the arms of its mother by bargains arranged in a state of brutal drunkenness.

The flesh-mongers gather up their victims by dozens, and drive them, chained, to the general depot at Baltimore. When a sufficient number have been collected here, a ship is chartered, for the purpose of conveying the forlorn crew to Mobile, or to New Orleans. From the slave prison to the ship, they are usually driven in the darkness of night; for since the antislavery agitation, a certain caution is observed.

In the deep still darkness of midnight, I have been often aroused by the dead heavy footsteps, and the piteous cries of the chained gangs that passed our door. The anguish of my boyish heart was intense; and I was often consoled, when speaking to my mistress in the morning, to hear her say that the custom was very wicked; that she hated to hear the rattle of the chains, and the heart-rending cries. I was glad to find one who sympathized with me in my horror.

Fellow-citizens, this murderous traffic is, to-day, in active operation in this boasted republic. In the solitude of my spirit, I see clouds of dust raised on the highways of the South; I see the bleeding footsteps; I hear the doleful wail of fettered humanity, on the way to the slave-markets, where the victims are to be sold like horses, sheep, and swine, knocked off to the highest bidder. There I see the tenderest ties ruthlessly broken, to gratify the lust, caprice and rapacity of the buyers and sellers of men. My soul sickens at the sight.

“Is this the land your Fathers loved,
The freedom which they toiled to win?
Is this the earth whereon they moved?
Are these the graves they slumber in?”
But a still more inhuman, disgraceful, and scandalous state of things remains to be presented.

By an act of the American Congress, not yet two years old, slavery has been nationalized in its most horrible and revolting form. By that act, Mason & Dixon’s line has been obliterated; New York has become as Virginia; and the power to hold, hunt, and sell men, women, and children as slaves remains no longer a mere state institution, but is now an institution of the whole United States. The power is co-extensive with the Star-Spangled Banner and American Christianity. Where these go, may also go the merciless slave-hunter. Where these are, man is not sacred. He is a bird for the sportsman’s gun. By that most foul and fiendish of all human decrees, the liberty and person of every man are put in peril. Your broad republican domain is hunting ground for men. Not for thieves and robbers, enemies of society, merely, but for men guilty of no crime. Your lawmakers have commanded all good citizens to engage in this hellish sport. Your President, your Secretary of State, your lords, nobles, and ecclesiastics, enforce, as a duty you owe to your free and glorious country, and to your God, that you do this accursed thing. Not fewer than forty Americans have, within the past two years, been hunted down and, without a moment’s warning, hurried away in chains, and consigned to slavery and excruciating torture. Some of these have had wives and children, dependent on them for bread; but of this, no account was made. The right of the hunter to his prey stands superior to the right of marriage, and to all rights in this republic, the rights of God included! For black men there are neither law, justice, humanity, not religion. The Fugitive Slave Law makes MERCY TO THEM, A CRIME; and bribes the judge who tries them. An American JUDGE GETS TEN DOLLARS FOR EVERY VICTIM HE CONSIGNS to slavery, and five, when he fails to do so. The oath of any two villains is sufficient, under this hell-black enactment, to send the most pious and exemplary black man into the remorseless jaws of slavery! His own testimony is nothing. He can bring no witnesses for himself. The minister of American justice is bound by the law to hear but one side; and that side, is the side of the oppressor. Let this damning fact be perpetually told. Let it be thundered around the world, that, in tyrant-killing, king-hating, people-loving, democratic, Christian America, the seats of justice are filled with judges, who hold their offices under an open and palpable bribe, and are bound, in deciding in the case of a man’s liberty, hear only his accusers!

In glaring violation of justice, in shameless disregard of the forms of administering law, in cunning arrangement to entrap the defenseless, and in diabolical intent, this Fugitive Slave Law stands alone in the annals of tyrannical legislation. I doubt if there be another nation on the globe, having the brass and the baseness to put such a law on the statute-book. If any man in this assembly thinks differently from me in this matter, and feels able to disprove my statements, I will gladly confront him at any suitable time and place he may select.

RELIGIOUS LIBERTY.

I take this law to be one of the grossest infringements of Christian Liberty, and, if the churches and ministers of our country were not stupidly blind, or most wickedly indifferent, they, too, would so regard it.

At the very moment that they are thanking God for the enjoyment of civil and religious liberty, and for the right to worship God according to the dictates of their own consciences, they are utterly silent in respect to a law which robs religion of its chief significance, and makes it utterly worthless to a world lying in wickedness. Did this law concern the “mint, anise and cummin” —abridge the fight to sing psalms, to partake of the sacrament, or to engage in any of the ceremonies of religion, it would be smitten by the thunder of a thousand pulpits. A general shout would go up from the church, demanding repeal, repeal, instant repeal! And it would go hard with that politician who presumed to solicit the votes of the people without inscribing this motto on his banner. Further, if this demand were not complied with, another Scotland would be added to the history of religious liberty, and the stern old Covenanters would be thrown into the shade. A John Knox would be seen at every church door, and heard from every pulpit, and Fillmore would have no more quarter than was shown by Knox, to the beautiful, but treacherous queen Mary of Scotland. The fact that the church of our country, (with fractional exceptions), does not esteem “the Fugitive Slave Law” as a declaration of war against religious liberty, implies that that church regards religion simply as a form of worship, an empty ceremony, and not a vital principle, requiring active benevolence, justice, love and good will towards man. It esteems sacrifice above mercy; psalm-singing above right doing; solemn meetings above practical righteousness. A worship that can be conducted by persons who refuse to give shelter to the houseless, to give bread to the hungry, clothing to the naked, and who enjoin obedience to a law forbidding these acts of mercy, is a curse, not a blessing to mankind. The Bible addresses all such persons as “scribes, Pharisees, hypocrites, who pay tithe of mint, anise, and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy and faith.”

THE CHURCH RESPONSIBLE.

But the church of this country is not only indifferent to the wrongs of die slave, it actually takes sides with the oppressors. It has made itself the bulwark of American slavery, and the shield of American slave-hunters. Many of its most eloquent Divines. who stand as the very lights of the church, have shamelessly given the sanction of religion and the Bible to the whole slave system. They have taught that man may, properly, be a slave; that the relation of master and slave is ordained of God; that to send back an escaped bondman to his master is clearly the duty of all the followers of the Lord Jesus Christ; and this horrible blasphemy is palmed off upon the world for Christianity.

For my part, I would say, welcome infidelity! welcome atheism! welcome anything! in preference to the gospel, as preached by those Divines! They convert the very name of religion into an engine of tyranny, and barbarous cruelty, and serve to confirm more infidels, in this age, than all the infidel writings of Thomas Paine, Voltaire, and Bolingbroke, put together, have done! These ministers make religion a cold and flinty-hearted thing, having neither principles of right action, nor bowels of compassion. They strip the love of God of its beauty, and leave the throng of religion a huge, horrible, repulsive form. It is a religion for oppressors, tyrants, man-stealers, and thugs. It is not that “pure and undefiled religion” which is from above, and which is “first pure, then peaceable, easy to be entreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.” But a religion which favors the rich against the poor; which exalts the proud above the humble; which divides mankind into two classes, tyrants and slaves; which says to the man in chains, stay there; and to the oppressor, oppress on; it is a religion which may be professed and enjoyed by all the robbers and enslavers of mankind; it makes God a respecter of persons, denies his fatherhood of the race, and tramples in the dust the great truth of the brotherhood of man. All this we affirm to be true of the popular church, and the popular worship of our land and nation – a religion, a church, and a worship which, on the authority of inspired wisdom, we pronounce to be an abomination in the sight of God. In the language of Isaiah, the American church might be well addressed, “Bring no more vain ablations; incense is an abomination unto me: the new moons and Sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity even the solemn meeting. Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth. They are a trouble to me; I am weary to bear them; and when ye spread forth your hands I will hide mine eyes from you. Yea! when ye make many prayers, I will not hear. YOUR HANDS ARE FULL OF BLOOD; cease to do evil, learn to do well; seek judgment; relieve the oppressed; judge for the fatherless; plead for the widow.”

The American church is guilty, when viewed in connection with what it is doing to uphold slavery; but it is superlatively guilty when viewed in connection with its ability to abolish slavery. The sin of which it is guilty is one of omission as well as of commission. Albert Barnes but uttered what the common sense of every man at all observant of the actual state of the case will receive as truth, when he declared that “There is no power out of the church that could sustain slavery an hour, if it were not sustained in it.”

Let the religious press, the pulpit, the Sunday school, the conference meeting, the great ecclesiastical, missionary, Bible and tract associations of the land array their immense powers against slavery and slave-holding; and the whole system of crime and blood would be scattered to the winds; and that they do not do this involves them in the most awful responsibility of which the mind can conceive.

In prosecuting the anti-slavery enterprise, we have been asked to spare the church, to spare the ministry; but how, we ask, could such a thing be done? We are met on the threshold of our efforts for the redemption of the slave, by the church and ministry of the country, in battle arrayed against us; and we are compelled to fight or flee. From what quarter, I beg to know, has proceeded a fire so deadly upon our ranks, during the last two years, as from the Northern pulpit? As the champions of oppressors, the chosen men of American theology have appeared-men, honored for their so-called piety, and their real learning. The LORDS of Buffalo, the SPRINGS of New York, the LATHROPS of Auburn, the COXES and SPENCERS of Brooklyn, the GANNETS and SHARPS of Boston, the DEWEYS of Washington, and other great religious lights of the land, have, in utter denial of the authority of Him, by whom the professed to he called to the ministry, deliberately taught us, against the example or the Hebrews and against the remonstrance of the Apostles, they teach “that we ought to obey man’s law before the law of God.”

My spirit wearies of such blasphemy; and how such men can be supported, as the “standing types and representatives of Jesus Christ,” is a mystery which I leave others to penetrate. In speaking of the American church, however, let it be distinctly understood that I mean the great mass of the religious organizations of our land. There are exceptions, and I thank God that there are. Noble men may be found, scattered all over these Northern States, of whom Henry Ward Beecher of Brooklyn, Samuel J. May of Syracuse, and my esteemed friend on the platform, are shining examples; and let me say further, that upon these men lies the duty to inspire our ranks with high religious faith and zeal, and to cheer us on in the great mission of the slave’s redemption from his chains.

RELIGION IN ENGLAND AND RELIGION IN AMERICA.

One is struck with the difference between the attitude of the American church towards the anti-slavery movement, and that occupied by the churches in England towards a similar movement in that country. There, the church, true to its mission of ameliorating, elevating, and improving the condition of mankind, came forward promptly, bound up the wounds of the West Indian slave, and restored him to his liberty. There, the question of emancipation was a high[ly] religious question. It was demanded, in the name of humanity, and according to the law of the living God. The Sharps, the Clarksons, the Wilberforces, the Buxtons, and Burchells and the Knibbs, were alike famous for their piety, and for their philanthropy. The anti-slavery movement there was not an anti-church movement, for the reason that the church took its full share in prosecuting that movement: and the anti-slavery movement in this country will cease to be an anti-church movement, when the church of this country shall assume a favorable, instead or a hostile position towards that movement. Americans! your republican politics, not less than your republican religion, are flagrantly inconsistent. You boast of your love of liberty, your superior civilization, and your pure Christianity, while the whole political power of the nation (as embodied in the two great political parties), is solemnly pledged to support and perpetuate the enslavement of three millions of your countrymen. You hurl your anathemas at the crowned headed tyrants of Russia and Austria, and pride yourselves on your Democratic institutions, while you yourselves consent to be the mere tools and bodyguards of the tyrants of Virginia and Carolina. You invite to your shores fugitives of oppression from abroad, honor them with banquets, greet them with ovations, cheer them, toast them, salute them, protect them, and pour out your money to them like water; but the fugitives from your own land you advertise, hunt, arrest, shoot and kill. You glory in your refinement and your universal education yet you maintain a system as barbarous and dreadful as ever stained the character of a nation – a system begun in avarice, supported in pride, and perpetuated in cruelty. You shed tears over fallen Hungary, and make the sad story of her wrongs the theme of your poets, statesmen and orators, till your gallant sons are ready to fly to arms to vindicate her cause against her oppressors; but, in regard to the ten thousand wrongs of the American slave, you would enforce the strictest silence, and would hail him as an enemy of the nation who dares to make those wrongs the subject of public discourse! You are all on fire at the mention of liberty for France or for Ireland; but are as cold as an iceberg at the thought of liberty for the enslaved of America. You discourse eloquently on the dignity of labor; yet, you sustain a system which, in its very essence, casts a stigma upon labor. You can bare your bosom to the storm of British artillery to throw off a threepenny tax on tea; and yet wring the last hard-earned farthing from the grasp of the black laborers of your country. You profess to believe “that, of one blood, God made all nations of men to dwell on the face of all the earth,” and hath commanded all men, everywhere to love one another; yet you notoriously hate, (and glory in your hatred), all men whose skins are not colored like your own. You declare, before the world, and are understood by the world to declare, that you “hotel these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal; and are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; and that, among these are, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness;” and yet, you hold securely, in a bondage which, according to your own Thomas Jefferson, “is worse than ages of that which your fathers rose in rebellion to oppose,” a seventh part of the inhabitants of your country.

Fellow-citizens! I will not enlarge further on your national inconsistencies. The existence of slavery in this country brands your republicanism as a sham, your humanity as a base pretence, and your Christianity as a lie. It destroys your moral power abroad; it corrupts your politicians at home. It saps the foundation of religion; it makes your name a hissing, and a by word to a mocking earth. It is the antagonistic force in your government, the only thing that seriously disturbs and endangers your Union. It fetters your progress; it is the enemy of improvement, the deadly foe of education; it fosters pride; it breeds insolence; it promotes vice; it shelters crime; it is a curse to the earth that supports it; and yet, you cling to it, as if it were the sheet anchor of all your hopes. Oh! be warned! be warned! a horrible reptile is coiled up in your nation’s bosom; the venomous creature is nursing at the tender breast of your youthful republic; for the love of God, tear away, and fling from you the hideous monster, and let the weight of twenty millions crush and destroy it forever!

THE CONSTITUTION.

But it is answered in reply to all this, that precisely what I have now denounced is, in fact, guaranteed and sanctioned by the Constitution of the United States; that the right to hold and to hunt slaves is a part of that Constitution framed by the illustrious Fathers of this Republic.

Then, I dare to affirm, notwithstanding all I have said before, your fathers stooped, basely stooped “To palter with us in a double sense: And keep the word of promise to the ear, But break it to the heart.”

And instead of being the honest men I have before declared them to be, they were the veriest imposters that ever practiced on mankind. This is the inevitable conclusion, and from it there is no escape. But I differ from those who charge this baseness on the framers of the Constitution of the United States. It is a slander upon their memory, at least, so I believe. There is not time now to argue the constitutional question at length – nor have I the ability to discuss it as it ought to be discussed. The subject has been handled with masterly power by Lysander Spooner, Esq., by William Goodell, by Samuel E. Sewall, Esq., and last, though not least, by Gerritt Smith, Esq. These gentlemen have, as I think, fully and clearly vindicated the Constitution from any design to support slavery for an hour.

“[L]et me ask, if it be not somewhat singular that, if the Constitution were intended to be, by its framers and adopters, a slave-holding instrument, why neither slavery, slaveholding, nor slave can anywhere be found in it.”

Fellow-citizens! there is no matter in respect to which, the people of the North have allowed themselves to be so ruinously imposed upon, as that of the pro-slavery character of the Constitution. In that instrument I hold there is neither warrant, license, nor sanction of the hateful thing; but, interpreted as it ought to be interpreted, the Constitution is a GLORIOUS LIBERTY DOCUMENT. Read its preamble, consider its purposes. Is slavery among them? Is it at the gateway? or is it in the temple? It is neither. While I do not intend to argue this question on the present occasion, let me ask, if it be not somewhat singular that, if the Constitution were intended to be, by its framers and adopters, a slave-holding instrument, why neither slavery, slaveholding, nor slave can anywhere be found in it. What would be thought of an instrument, drawn up, legally drawn up, for the purpose of entitling the city of Rochester to a track of land, in which no mention of land was made? Now, there are certain rules of interpretation, for the proper understanding of all legal instruments. These rules are well established. They are plain, common-sense rules, such as you and I, and all of us, can understand and apply, without having passed years in the study of law. I scout the idea that the question of the constitutionality or unconstitutionality of slavery is not a question for the people. I hold that every American citizen has a fight to form an opinion of the constitution, and to propagate that opinion, and to use all honorable means to make his opinion the prevailing one. Without this fight, the liberty of an American citizen would be as insecure as that of a Frenchman. Ex-Vice-President Dallas tells us that the constitution is an object to which no American mind can be too attentive, and no American heart too devoted. He further says, the constitution, in its words, is plain and intelligible, and is meant for the home-bred, unsophisticated understandings of our fellow-citizens. Senator Berrien tell us that the Constitution is the fundamental law, that which controls all others. The charter of our liberties, which every citizen has a personal interest in understanding thoroughly. The testimony of Senator Breese, Lewis Cass, and many others that might be named, who are everywhere esteemed as sound lawyers, so regard the constitution. I take it, therefore, that it is not presumption in a private citizen to form an opinion of that instrument.

Now, take the constitution according to its plain reading, and I defy the presentation of a single pro-slavery clause in it. On the other hand it will be found to contain principles and purposes, entirely hostile to the existence of slavery.

I have detained my audience entirely too long already. At some future period I will gladly avail myself of an opportunity to give this subject a full and fair discussion.

“Allow me to say, in conclusion, notwithstanding the dark picture I have this day presented of the state of the nation, I do not despair of this country.”

Allow me to say, in conclusion, notwithstanding the dark picture I have this day presented of the state of the nation, I do not despair of this country. There are forces in operation, which must inevitably work The downfall of slavery. “The arm of the Lord is not shortened,” and the doom of slavery is certain. I, therefore, leave off where I began, with hope. While drawing encouragement from the Declaration of Independence, the great principles it contains, and the genius of American Institutions, my spirit is also cheered by the obvious tendencies of the age. Nations do not now stand in the same relation to each other that they did ages ago. No nation can now shut itself up from the surrounding world, and trot round in the same old path of its fathers without interference. The time was when such could be done. Long established customs of hurtful character could formerly fence themselves in, and do their evil work with social impunity. Knowledge was then confined and enjoyed by the privileged few, and the multitude walked on in mental darkness. But a change has now come over the affairs of mankind. Walled cities and empires have become unfashionable. The arm of commerce has borne away the gates of the strong city. Intelligence is penetrating the darkest corners of the globe. It makes its pathway over and under the sea, as well as on the earth. Wind, steam, and lightning are its chartered agents. Oceans no longer divide, but link nations together. From Boston to London is now a holiday excursion. Space is comparatively annihilated. Thoughts expressed on one side of the Atlantic are, distinctly heard on the other. The far off and almost fabulous Pacific rolls in grandeur at our feet. The Celestial Empire, the mystery of ages, is being solved. The fiat of the Almighty, “Let there be Light,” has not yet spent its force. No abuse, no outrage whether in taste, sport or avarice, can now hide itself from the all-pervading light. The iron shoe, and crippled foot of China must be seen, in contrast with nature. Africa must rise and put on her yet unwoven garment. “Ethiopia shall stretch out her hand unto God.” In the fervent aspirations of William Lloyd Garrison, I say, and let every heart join in saying it:

God speed the year of jubilee
The wide world o’er
When from their galling chains set free,
Th’ oppress’d shall vilely bend the knee,
And wear the yoke of tyranny
Like brutes no more.
That year will come, and freedom’s reign,
To man his plundered fights again
Restore.
God speed the day when human blood
Shall cease to flow!
In every clime be understood,
The claims of human brotherhood,
And each return for evil, good,
Not blow for blow;
That day will come all feuds to end.
And change into a faithful friend
Each foe.

God speed the hour, the glorious hour,
When none on earth
Shall exercise a lordly power,
Nor in a tyrant’s presence cower;
But all to manhood’s stature tower,
By equal birth!
THAT HOUR WILL, COME, to each, to all,
And from his prison-house, the thrall
Go forth.

Until that year, day, hour, arrive,
With head, and heart, and hand I’ll strive,
To break the rod, and rend the gyve,
The spoiler of his prey deprive-
So witness Heaven!
And never from my chosen post,
Whate’er the peril or the cost,
Be driven.

6 06 2008
osiris1906

Those brothers holding up the black gloved fists are members of Alpha Phi Alpha !!!

’06 !!!!!

6 06 2008
Knatural

“What irks me about these cliques is that people introduce the Sorority/Fraternity before themselves. I’d rather get to know the individual first, not your effing club.” -me ten minutes ago

I have to clarify: This isn’t specific to folks in sororities/frats. Like JaBe said, there’s good, bad, and in between. In general I completely disdain show-boatty, over-the-top, look-at-what-school-I-went-to, look-at-what-club/clique/religion-I’m-a-member-of crap. Low key always works for me. I hate when I meet people and they recite their entire résumé.

Prime Minister Cinema – please don’t do that!

6 06 2008
Yonnie3k

Landon, I won’t identify myself on this blog, but I’m E’s friend in Atlanta. I went to St. Croix with you guys for July 4th a few years ago. You’re right…TOO DAMN SMALL!!

6 06 2008
stuffgirlslike

Chris,

So you did not go East looking for Knowledge. What do you want “light, more Light”

Once you have been hazed, it is hard to leave the organisation no matter what the evidence that it is down with the evil one.

Have you seen this website

http://www.dontgogreek.com/

6 06 2008
PrettyPiscesGirl

I think there are definitely people who take it overboard with the whole “run-down of my resume” type crap. I mean, really, if the first words out of your mouth are “I belong to XYZ organization, what about you?” or “I received my masters from East BS University”…you’re lame. I want you to get a life, STAT. Tasteful and low-key is the way to go…

6 06 2008
Landon

I know who it is, lol… Cool how are you?

I meant to saying being in an Greek org. does not limit your oppurtunities if anything it allows you to have a couple more doors opened for you…

Second, my organization does not define me, I define my org.

6 06 2008
Bailey Blues

I’m with the agree to disagree crew. I’m a member of a BGLO (Black Greek Letter Organization) and I believe we serve our purpose in the black community. We aren’t social clubs. We are organizations that promote sisterhood/brotherhood, service and academics.

I really think it depends on the person and their reason for joining. I didn’t join a GLO to get friends or be popular. I was good on my own. But I do appreciate the work that my sorority does, and the connects that I received as a result. I’m in the process of trying to move to Atlanta from NY. I put out an email and received lots of leads just from “leaning on my shield.”

I don’t think we can excuse the dumb things that some members of GLOs, but you also can’t lump everyone who is a member into one group.

6 06 2008
Bailey Blues

“my organization does not define me, I define my org.”

I feel that!

6 06 2008
Yonnie3k

I’m good. Trying not to get fired for commenting on this damn blog all day!

6 06 2008
Yonnie3k

Chuck Norris can speak braille.

Sorry. Is it too early for that?

6 06 2008
Knatural

Chuck Norris counted to infinity… twice.

6 06 2008
Landon

Chuck Norris Scared Chirs To aplogize to Asian People because only Chuck Norris can insult Asian people.

6 06 2008
Cheekie

I remember I showed a video of a fraternity/sorority “stepping” to my Mama and she’s all, “Nawwww, that ain’t the steppin’ I know”. And, hell, I agree. Being from the Chi, steppin’ is NOT stomping.

6 06 2008
BGLO Observer

Hello fellow blogger!

I am (along with some others) the writer of Stuff Black Greeks Like…. Mostly BLOG. Yes the audience this blog caters to is indeed Greeks, so we speak in the terms and language we use. It is just the way we do things.

Our blog is a gut check for Greeks so that we can improve on what we have already done, (which is a lot) and I dare say if you are not one of us, it is hard to understand why we do things from the outside looking in, so leave that to me and my crew. 🙂

Keep reading and thanks for the pingback, even if a bit misguided. LOL.

There are perks to joining a BGLO. There are pros and cons to everything, but in the end I wouldn’t trade this experience for anything else.

6 06 2008
BGLO Observer

By the way, those men holding up their fists are Tommie Smith and John Carlos, both members of a fraternity.

See we are more relevant than you think. 🙂

6 06 2008
Knatural

Chuck Norris once played 18 holes of golf using a 12 inch strip of rebar and a sun dried tomato. He shot a 54.

6 06 2008
thechad1911

I think i’m with the agree to disagree crew too.

Whomever it was that said that letting riff-raff into these organizations causes most of the problems i concur.

They STARTED during times when blacks needed to unify to succeed. They STARTED with roots in the Bible and Christian ideals. They STARTED as a manifestation of Booker’s Talented Tenth, who were supposed to pull the black community as a whole from oppression to equality by leading us into American prosperity with higher education and financial prowess. That’s why prominent black leaders were Greek… because when they STARTED, black greeks were leaders. They were respected and it was a privilege to be INVITED by one of these organizations to join. That’s why it STARTED.

What happened to black greeks is the same thing that happened to blacks altogether…. criminal minded progress. Some of us got rich and the rest got arrested.

Great post dude.

Omega Psi Phi ’04
http://trialandera.wordpress.com

6 06 2008
thechad1911

and oh…

Chuck Norris doesn’t sleep…..

…he waits.

6 06 2008
klysha

And again you wrote this post right out of the depths of my brain. While I had never actually seriously considered joining a sorority, when I started college they still had a mysterious allure to me because I thought the little line dances and nonsensical hoots were kind of cute. (I was 18 and had just escaped from Alabama) But by the end of my first semester my opinion of sororities had forever been transformed. I realized how much everything they stood for (in reality not in their so called charters) was in direct contrast with everything I stood for. Thankfully I had lots of like minded friends who also saw the ridiculousness of the entire Greek establishment. My freshman year we formed a pseudo sorority that we called Hoochie Phi Coochie in mockery of all that is BGLO. We had our own call that we’d do when we saw a fellow HPC member….we’d yell Coo coo coo coochie! then follow it with a loud bird call not unsimilar to the sound of a large macaw seeking a mate. It was awesome.

6 06 2008
Roger

Shit, a long time ago, I pledged A Phi A–spring 1991 to be exact. If I had to do it all over again, I’d’ve saved myself the money and the trouble. So, yeah, from an outsider’s perspective, Chris is absolutely on point. As an insider, what I’ve seen in “the frat” are the following:
* rabid misogyny
* rabid homophobia (ask me about coming out to some of my frat “brothers”)
* insipid groupthink (all Alphas/Ques/AKAs act/think/are______)
* lofty ideals, piss-poor execution of those supposed ideals
* elitism
I too, would run down the litany of reasons to “belong” to a BGO, and would act like “being an Alpha” somehow defined me and gave me authenticity as a good Negro. And you haven’t lived until you’ve met a snooty Alpha (usually from a Beta___ chapter) who tries to out Alpha another Alpha. It’s super-duper fun. And going to National Convention is…well, an experience. You’ll be hundreds of dollars poorer for it, however.

and Prime Minister Cinema–dude, provide a link instead of cutting and pasting a speech. That shit you did is fucking ridiculous.

6 06 2008
Knatural

Bigfoot takes pictures of Chuck Norris.

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Oh I refuse to read that book that PMC just put up taking up my whole damn screen. Ye Gods man. I don’t think Admiral Furious did anything like that. All I wanted to do is mention how much I hate the branding and date auctioning that seems to be ever prevalent with BGOs. Ug Something in my soul just screams when I see a black man who has willingly branded himself like livestock or when I see black people on stage with people yelling out how much they think they’re worth. I know my ancestors are rolling over in their graves looking at that coonery. This is what turns other black people off of greek organizations. I have to stop myself from convulsively sneering at anyone who says they’re a Omega simply because of the few outlandish coons who are walking about in purple and gold with no shirts burntup scabby skin barking at each other across the street. Luckily I’ve met other Omegas who don’t turn me off of the human race but can you guys please come together to take out those burntup subhumans? If only to save face?

6 06 2008
Knatural

Remember that riduculous show on BET “Hitz from the Streetz”…the fake fraternity Moo Psi Moo AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH That summed up the stupidness of GO life to me.

Chuck Norris understands the ending of 2001: A Space Odyssey.

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Knatural: Opinion not truth: If I hear another high-pitched skeeee weeee or see another chick pressed to wear pink & green (which is hideous when combined) or another dude brand himself or another asshole talk about what they do in the community, I may stab someone with a spoon. Sororities and Fraternities are just large cliques. Though members of my family are Deltas, AKAs, Alphas – whatever, they aren’t all in your face about. What irks me about these cliques is that people introduce the Sorority/Fraternity before themselves. I’d rather get to know the individual first, not your effing club

Fucking co-sign!

6 06 2008
Ed The Sports Fan

I definitely understand how black greek life can become so absurd in someone’s life. I’m an Alpha, and where I’m from we call it being an Alphaholic. Someone who wears their letters EVERYDAY, will not say or do anything that’s not greek related, and will definitely know every party stroll known to man.

Someone above said that its better to be reserved and learn about the person and find out their greek along the way. True and true, an old saying of Alpha is that “I don’t need my letters for you to know that I’m an Alpha man” and that’s how I try to live. But trust, and I tell anyone this…I AM A MAN FIRST, born to my momma only.

And as far joining an org, lets be real, I joined Alpha because I saw the great man that came in before, MLK, DuBois, Paul Robeson, Jesse Owens, Tommie Smith and John Carlos (above), etc. Also, to have the opportunity to mentor and be mentored too. Did I need it? Definitely not, but I wanted it. And that’s how it should be for anyone.

Chris – Keep up the good work, I just hope black greeks don’t get sensitive to what you say, I think your pretty harsh to everyone lol…

-Ed.
http://www.edthesportsfan.com

6 06 2008
thechad1911

@willnotbetelevised

I get what you’re saying, but why not let the positive Omegas you’ve met be your measuring stick and not the bad ones? And you should NEVER allow the superficial things like branding and barking determine your opinion of someone. I’m sure ever the ones who “don’t turn you off the human race” have brands and/or bark occasionally.

When I was joining Omega one of my chapter brothers told me that Omega Psi Phi is a fraternity that works hard and doesn’t brag about it, but plays hard and does brag about it. We like to have fun, but a true Omega man handles business better than you could imagine. I know there are bad apples (waaaay too many), but don’t group us all together! I think I’m an alright guy despite my brands.

And to anyone who questions a BGLO’s work ethic and involvement, look to the grad chapters in your area. Undergrads are a small percentage of the whole organizations. They’re the kids and they act like the kids.

6 06 2008
Monie

Prime Minister Cinema ,

Commenting rule #1; when your comment is 20 times longer than the post you are commenting on, you need your own blog!

6 06 2008
stuffgirlslike

BGLO observer

What do you think of Fred Hatchett and others who claim that you are just a low level Luciferian worshippers? He was a member of Alpha and Prince Hall?

Here is his website yet again

http://www.dontgogreek.com/

6 06 2008
Nunya

In a rare case, I definitely have to disagree you (almost completely) on with this one. Personally, while there are far too many greeks that misrepresent their respective organizations, and anyone who holds their organization above themselves probably should run their face over a cheese grater, these organizations’ contributions to the community can’t be downplayed like you’ve done in this blog. Also, the social experiences, brother/sister connections, and NETWORKING is unbelievable in these organizations. But when it comes to Greek organizations, it’s definitely one of those things where people with differing opinions can only agree to disagree. Most people see them as pointless (although as long as work needs to be done in the community, they’ll always have a reason to exist), but it serves a great purpose to those who do, indeed, appreciate Greek life.. It’s not for everybody. And these are all opinions of a Non-Greek.

P.S. (Not saying this necessarily applies to you, Chris) A lot of times, people who always have negative things to say about Greeks are only doing so because of hard feelings from being rejected from said organizations, which could be the motivating factor for some of the negative comments in this very post. Just saying!

6 06 2008
Yonnie3k

Roger, I’m asking you about coming out to some of your frat “brothers”. Just curious.

6 06 2008
Nunya

@ stuffgirlslike…why do keep peddling that bullcrap site? It’s pretty crappy that you’re passing judgment on Greeks and their organizations as being Satanic, when different people join for different reasons, and in pretty much all of these cases, it’s not with any intention of putting the organization above GOD.

6 06 2008
shabooty

Let’s put it this week Greek orgs are for either a) popular people to PAY for MORE friends to be even more popular/ASSHOLIFIED
b) ugly fat chicks to PAY to be FRIENDS with the ONE hot chick in charge.
c) People who like anal-sex (greek).

Anyone with a soul (a poor college student) can’t afford the 600 – 1000$ it probably costs a year to be in many of these GO’s.

$

6 06 2008
shabooty

week=way*

6 06 2008
Knatural

Shabooty, you’re Greek?

6 06 2008
sarah

My freshman year we formed a pseudo sorority that we called Hoochie Phi Coochie in mockery of all that is BGLO.

so, you choose to vilify a group that was in direct contrast to everything you stood for by making a group in celebration of the ridiculousness of the entire Greek establishment? so, Hoochie Phi Coochie, a caricature/hyperbole of Greek life, is something you really stand for?

6 06 2008
Omar

@ osiris1906 – Tommie Smith and John Carlos were also apart of a larger fraternity called angry black who don’t give a fuck what white people think of them, I’m a proud member. They would have still done what they did whether they were alphas or not.

Another bad part of fraternities is you have to PAY to pledge, like I’m going got pay you to treat me like shit. I took a lot of shit in the Army reserve but they PAID ME.

6 06 2008
RWEmerson

Why I’m not a member of a GO:
I have family members in REAL gangs.

The hardship certain relatives have caused has made me avoid ALL (not just GO’s) organizations that bear the following similarities to criminal gangs.

1. Initiation through physical punishment and/or humiliation.
2. The use of color as a means of identification.
3. The use of tattoos or brands as a means of identification.
4. The establishment and frequent use of a hand sign.
5. Membership is primarily composed of one ethnic group.
6. Network of individual chapters (vs. a network of gang “sets”).
7. Infamous feuds with other GO’s (I have SEEN these result in violence).

I am fully aware that GO’s provide service to our communities, but I believe that one does not have to be a member of a GO to serve his or her respective community.
I know GO member readers will be offended by my comparison of lowly street gangs to their org… Hazing??? This is illegal, but even if it weren’t–I dare you to hit me. Who doesn’t like options? I like my clothes and my friends in ALL colors. Getting branded? This was done to slaves and is still done to animals. Everyone (especially women) complain about DRAMA. Why join a GO where the historical drama has present day problems?
My very best friend is a Delta and I have friends in almost EVERY org (almost only bc I’ve never actually met an iota). I don’t view my friends any differently, I just know that becoming a member of a GO wasn’t for me.

6 06 2008
PrettyPiscesGirl

That “Don’t Go Greek” website was written by a disgruntled Greek…and the only co-signers are other disgruntled Greeks and folks who for whatever reason don’t like Greeks and use this as justification. Dude’s site is actually pure comedy to me…

6 06 2008
Nunya

My freshman year we formed a pseudo sorority that we called Hoochie Phi Coochie in mockery of all that is BGLO. We had our own call that we’d do when we saw a fellow HPC member….we’d yell Coo coo coo coochie! then follow it with a loud bird call not unsimilar to the sound of a large macaw seeking a mate. It was awesome.

Soooo…in an attempt to protest sorority life, as opposed to just not joining and leaving it alone, you decided to EMULATE it? Did you have a life your freshman year in college? Were you involved in any of the other organizations on campus, making more productive use of your time?

6 06 2008
Knatural

RWEmerson – I LOVE your list! Gang, GO, it’s all the same mob.
Is the chick in Figure 1 Creole? And can someone explain the history/reason for the pinky thing and skeeee weeee????!!???

6 06 2008
AB

I don’t mind Greeks, but damn, are they majority shareholders on the rainbow stock? A person can’t like a color too much without people (non-Greeks I’m sure) asking if you belong to this or that organization.

6 06 2008
Nathalie

I’ve only read two of your blog entries, and I’m already in LOVE!!! Keep it coming! Your writing is excellent!

6 06 2008
k-stanz

Actually there are many non-greek African American organizations that are social organizations and serve a positive role and influence in the community. One such organization is Groove Phi Groove at http://www.groovephigroove.com check it out

6 06 2008
Monie

I joined a sorority, mainly because I’m a Legacy. It’s been a good experience so far. Many individuals join for the social aspects. I, however, had been indoctrinated by my Mother and Aunts about the community responsibility aspect of being a part of a sorority.

I have made sure to focus more on volunteerism than on the lesser aspects of sorority life, such as meaningless parties, stepping, etc.

6 06 2008
Cheekie

RWEmerson – VERY interesting list.

6 06 2008
Omar

@ thechad1911 – the problem with the whole Talented Tenth thing is that most of the people who claim to be in the Talented Tenth disassociate themselves from less successful black people that W.E.B. Dubois suggested that they use their skills to uplift.

6 06 2008
Iota 1963

Giving a heartfelt shout to the Fellowman. Much respect.

6 06 2008
Roger

@yonnie3k: “Roger, I’m asking you about coming out to some of your frat “brothers”. Just curious.”

Looking, back, it was like a bad tragi-comedy. Anyway, I got responses that usually fell in the black Christian/racial essentialist spectrum, flavored with frat masculinity–in other words, people would say stupid shit like, “Alpha wasn’t founded on that,” or, my favorite, “Don’t embarrass the frat” (mind you, we had a member who, the previous summer, was going to start selling marijuana and was an inveterate whore). I found out at warp speed who my real friends were–and most of ’em weren’t in the frat. And then moving to Atlanta and meeting other Alphas who were gay but so far back in the closet they were finding Christmas presents got on my damn nerves. By the time I hit 30, I thought, “Why the fuck am I still bothering with this shit?”

6 06 2008
thechad1911

@Omar – you’re exactly right and that’s the problem with GO’s and the black community if you wanna sum it up. Some of us got rich and some got arrested.

Here is what I saw at UNC btwn 2002-2006:

– A Black Student Movement with diminishing numbers as the year progressed (especially AFTER the back to school party).
– 8 of 9 (no Iotas) BGLO’s with decent representation who collectively did ALOT of community service (as well as led the Black Student Movement and other campus organizations).
-Athletes
-Apathetic Negroes.

At NO POINT, did I EVER see a group of capable black non-greek students sit down at a lunch table and say “what the fuck can we do about ________” and actually do something… Meanwhile, I’ve seen every BGLO do exactly that.

Can someone clear that up for me?

6 06 2008
Deviant

This post – fucking right. Someone answer me this tho – Its one thing when you do it in undergrad but why do this (go grad chapter) when you are closer to 30 than 20? I know alot of females doing this now and its like they became solders or some cult now. It just sceams “I’m a loser” to me

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

@thechad1911
I get what you’re saying, but why not let the positive Omegas you’ve met be your measuring stick and not the bad ones? And you should NEVER allow the superficial things like branding and barking determine your opinion of someone. I’m sure ever the ones who “don’t turn you off the human race” have brands and/or bark occasionally.

Man I feel like Chris today. I think thats exactly what I did say. I was turned off by the bad Omegas but luckily I met some decent ones so I don’t judge the organziation as a whole. But I find it hard not to sneer because of the flagrant fools.

However, branding. Oh I will judge you for that. Period, that was not a flip of the moment decision. I hate it, I think it looks ugly, and I think its far too related to livestock for a person to do that to themselves, double for black people considering we used to be considered livestock in this country. Occasional barking, whatever get your kicks. Barking across a street much like yelling across the street is uncouth and I will judge your ass for acting inappropriate in public. Fun is fun but much like the screech of the skeewee that shit is annoying to everyone else around you. And you sound like an animal.

6 06 2008
Prime Minister Cinema

i apologize good people of SBPH. it was certainly asinine of me to cut and paste that long ass post. i beg your pardon.

6 06 2008
HeadNutInCharge

Priory-of-Sion=classic. This shit had me rolling in my chair!

It was funny back in college the Black Greeks used to tell me what fratenity I should join based on my skin tint. Im light skinned so all the pretty boy Kappas were after me. To me the shit was a joke, no disrespect to black greeks, it wasnt’t for me. I found my fraternity in ROTC. You can actually get something out of that when done with college.

G Phi G that what we wanna be…

http://www.platenuts.com

6 06 2008
Muse

Chris my dear, all I have to say is that your hits are probably going to go up 20k after this post LOL.

I will read the article later. All I had to see was Kimberly Torres’ picture and Greeks in the title to know that shit is going to hit the fan when the Greek nazis find your page.

You are going to get tons of giggles my friend. Enjoy it.

6 06 2008
Omar

@ thechad1911 – Maybe it was because you were at UNC but I saw people who weren’t in GLO’s do that at the AUC when I was at Morehouse and I saw it at Morgan State. I agree that organization helps to get things done but I don’t know if the rituals and other superfluous stuff are necessarily why they can get things done.

6 06 2008

prime minister cinema…I can’t. I know it might be insightful, but I just can’t.

6 06 2008
Say it isn't so

Do men have a sex book they use, or study from? They all seem to have the same method when it comes to sex.

6 06 2008
RWEmerson

@ thechad1911: How dare you confuse the monumental, intellectual arguments of WEB Dubois with those of the Clarence Thomas-like views of Booker T!!!

Also, Dubois Talented Tenth theory was developed (and published-1903) a while before even the very first Black sorority or fraternity was founded. I don’t believe that Dubois intended his Talented Tenth theory to be carried out by such groups as a solution to Black America’s social problems. I very much agree with Omar. These groups exclude the very people they help.

6 06 2008
OSIRIS1906

@ Omar

You are right in that they would have done it anyways. I just wanted to state that they were members of Alpha. BGLO’s are highly relevant to the Black Community as our members are often productive members of society. The choice is yours if you want to pursue joining or not.

6 06 2008
OSIRIS1906

Also, I could not have made a better personal choice than becoming an Alpha.

6 06 2008
Omar

@ RWEmerson – I honestly think Booker T. Washington gets a bad rap, he like Carter G. Woodson wanted black people to be more productive for themselves. Of course he said some fucked up stuff but he wasn’t much into social justice but economic uplift, he did what he knew everyone can’t be an activist.

6 06 2008
thechad1911

@willnotbetelevised

No need for personal attacks. Regardless how much something annoys you, it is NEVER acceptable to JUDGE someone’s character based on outward appearances. Most of the time you will be wrong in your assumptions. If I seem sensitive, it’s because it seems like Omegas get the worse rap of any BGLO, and I’m constantly having to prove that there are positive Ques who doesn’t jump around being loud and raucous for no reason. I’m not just trying to be contrary. You’re entitled to your opinion. I try not to prejudge because I know someone is probably already judging me with a usually misguided eye. I’m no one’s animal.

Perhaps you’re one of the folk Omar was talking about who disassociate themselves with certain people?

I don’t choose my brothers. I will continue to reprimand my brothers when they misrepresent themselves or me. But when the public brings the heat, I will always defend my brothers, whether fraternal, Christian, blood or otherwise.

6 06 2008
maya

Knatural –

I’m going to generally disagree with you, but I, too hate “super greeks,” (as I like to call them) or people who let becoming a Greek take over their lives, personality (or home decor, for that matter). I am on the floor aghast at the picture used in Fig. 1 – sorors know why, given last week’s shenanigans – WOWWWWWW. And that’s all I’ma say since I use my real name on this blog.

OSIRIS – Skee-Phi, phrat. 🙂

Nonetheless, I feel like the people who let being greek turn into some next-level shit are those who do it for entirely social-status mess, and have completely forgotten the principles and goals of the founders. Black Greeks are truly a diverse group of people.

6 06 2008
B4Prez

@ thechad1911 – the problem with the whole Talented Tenth thing is that most of the people who claim to be in the Talented Tenth disassociate themselves from less successful black people that W.E.B. Dubois suggested that they use their skills to uplift. — Omar

I couldn’t agree with you more! BGLO’s are no more into “helping society” than the Links, and the Boule. I wish that they would all just let it go and admit they’re a network of ppl who typically ONLY want to hang out with ppl of the same “stock” or “breed”. I would respect them more if they’d just admit that instead of acting like they’re down to flip the black community.

And before I get some hate’ don’t get it twisted. I thought about pledging when I was in school too; however I wanted to pledge because not only did I like the idea of helping the community, I also wanted the networking opportunities, and to be part to the types of things I’d heard so much about BGLO’s experiencing. However, once I realized that the community svc was once a semester or year (depending on which BGLO, at least at my school), and that all they really wanted to do was beat the sh*t out of me, I decided that, at least at that school, it wasn’t for me.

6 06 2008
A.K.

#1 That broad in this post is fuckin gorgeous. I’d give her an elephant walk she wouldn’t forget

#2 GO = purchased friends. End of story. Doesn’t matter what kinda GO, it’s all the same shit. If you feel the need to buy friends, call me. I’m a lot more affordable than a GO.

6 06 2008
B4Prez

LOL@ whoever asked if the chik in the pic was Creole!

6 06 2008
Knatural

I just read the “Making Ghosts” post and comments on SBGL and another blog post, Kitty Fix Daily, and to me, it’s somewhat unfair to put this women out there like that. Yeah, she may be wrong allegedly pretending to be a member of AKA, but the way in which it’s being handled is immature. Proof that these Sororities/Fraternities are giant school-yard cliques.

6 06 2008
Tamara

Been MIA for a minute, but Maya made me look at this entry.

Even though I’m greek, I must say the Greek World can bring out the ugly ugly ugly side of people. People start feeling themselves in the worst way, and yes a lot of these people were wack to begin with.

Co-signing with Maya, super greeks do a lot, and half the time these people aren’t even financially active. And a lot of them do a lot of ignorant ass b.s. in the name of their org.

I can’t. and won’t. I was a person before I became greek, and I’m still the same person after, there’s no need for you to do a 360 and start acting crazy.

6 06 2008
Landon

Lets Focus on the 99 percent who represent the good and not the 1% who misrepresent the organizations. The Pan-hell collectively (and individually) has done more good than any other organization(s) for African Americans, undisputedly. In Modern African American History we are everywhere. I cant step anymore… but instead of step practice we HOLD fundraisers for Obama. We don’t throw parties anymore, but we will have a BBQ and pass around a hat to collect money for a scholarship fund. I don’t fight other orgs anymore instead we band together to raise money for Morehouse College. You are taking a 2 or 3 year snippet and jusging not realizing its a lifetime commitment. People don’t realize how much work we put into our respected organizations. WE would only throw a party to celebrate one of our community projects or to fund one of our community service projects. Like a book donation party. I.e. you had to donate a book to get a cup for the BLUE JUICE. we would give the books to a local high school.

About pledging, if you are not willing to walk through the fire for something you believe in what will you walk through the fire for? Pledging is such a minute portion of your greek life we laugh when people say “I’m Not going to do that crap…” Hell pledging was the easiest part. What’s a little wood? A little running… If anything it would help some people GET THERE FAT ASS in SHAPE. I was in the best shape of my life when i finished! Granted there is a difference between HAZING and pledging… hazing is wrong, but when you are pledged right its an invaluable experience. It’s enlightening to learn what you can do when pushed to your collective limits.
I can see why people dont like what they see on the surface, but like most complicated things you have to look within the message and the true meaning of the organization to know what it is truly about… The signs, calling and stepping is less than 1% of THE true reason we pledge.
*PLEASE EXCUSE THE HORRIBLE GRAMMAR*

Landon Spr. 01 #5 Confucius
7 Surviors of BluMadness T.A.B
Chi Chapter, Morehouse College

6 06 2008
Knde

I did a study exchange programme in the US when I was 18 (UPenn) and I never once noticed any fraternities or sororities, particularly excelling at anything that was not of inexplicable “importance” to them.

However, in their defense I do remember there being an academic based fraternity, that was based on good grades, community service and charitable work. They far excelled at their goals than the social fraternities and sororities that I was aware of (and had a much better reputation).

I remember being told during orientation, by a rather snarky student that, “Fraternities and Sororities exist for the sole purpose of buying friends.”

6 06 2008
Landon

To those who say pledging is buying friends, i always laugh when i see that…

My friends and my Frat / sorors are seperate. yes some of my Burhs are my friends but they are my family first. Just like all of your family members are not your friends.
1 community project a semester? We had a community service project once a week. Most of the orgs on the Yard did. The Sigmas, Alphas, Deltas, AKA’s also had a 3.2+ collective GPA at my school. for every negative thing someone can bring up I could easily counter with 5 positive things. Dont let the RiffRaff Bring down the Boat.

6 06 2008
RWEmerson

@ Omar- Bad rap?? This guy had ulterior motives. His argument to teach black boys blue collar skills pleased whites who thought blacks should “know their role”. This view, of course earned Washington the MOST wealthy white friends (i.e. Rockerfeller, Carnegie) and benefactors who would rather black boys be in a classroom learning masonry than beside their daughters at a real college. His beliefs allowed him to dine with Roosevelt and the damn Queen of England…call me pessimistic, but the so-called Black Spokesman–being courted by people this rich?? I think his intentions were somehat clouded.

Do you think Booker T sent his own children to learn practical skills at Tuskegee?? Of course not. Booker T sent his children to other universities to gain the sort of education Dubois advocated.

6 06 2008
Ms. Kristine

Oh brother! Blah!

6 06 2008
Landon

Booker was right though we all can not b e managers or investment bankers…
I work in teh construction industry even though i have two degrees and manage the workers, the union builders make 6 figures with ease while i would need another promotion to reach that level.

If more of our kids took up the trades instead of sitting home doing nothing we would be better off. We look down on blue collar work as if it is BAD… when you are more likely to start yoru own business if you have those practical skills. You will always need people to BUild houses and buildings… i am not sure if we really need anymore Lawyers in this world… We need a balance… there are alot of HIGH pyaing jobs out there that are not white collar… we need an economic lift simply put.

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Sorry thechad if you think its personal because you have brands. But that is a choice you made to put out there. I actually had to go back and read that you said you branded yourself to find out why you thought my comments were personal. However just because I use Omegas as an example doensn’t mean what I said doesn’t apply to every one. I actually saw a groove phi groove with a brand. I have seen white people branded for non greek things. I still feel the same way. But in the same way that BET misrepresents black people, yes you have ‘brothers’ who misrepresent your organization, which was my whole point from the begining and every since. I don’t know why this is isn’t getting through but I’ll say it again. Judging a person on the way the represent themselves is fine, its a choice you made which tells me that in one way we have a fundamental difference. In that specific area. I’m not talking about a person’s height or something they can’t do anything about. Much like I have a friend who believes Michael Jackson has vitaligo and only underwent 2 surgeries. Yet we’re still friends. I don’t have to like everything about you but I will say in this one area, I don’t like. Also I have friends who will go out and do stupid shit, and I will say, they’re a good person but they do stupid shit in public that annoys me. It’s the same as everyone other non-greek has been sayin on here. THey have friends family coworkers and people who are greek but what turns them off are these specific things. I mentioned the how branding and barking turn me off that but I am open enough to know thats not the whole organization or what its about. But I’m still going to say that I don’t like that shit. It annoys me and its associated with greek life. Not all brands but most brands are greek letters etc. But please feel free to tell me why this is wrong for me to believe and say.

6 06 2008
B4Prez

RWEmerson is right about Booker T. His kids DEF didn’t major in masonry and domestics.

However, at the end of the day, the black community would have been much stronger economically had they taken up these trades in mass. I understand y Booker was a hypocrite with this, but a trade clearly beats doing nothing anyday.

On another note, I get tired of how the “services” offered to the community are always so recycled. There are more schools to raise money for than Morehouse, Spelman, and Howard. Besides, if you’re not a “legacy”, you dont have the same last name as a benefactor, or the kid who had the 1600 SAT and 4.0 GPA, good luck on getting financial aid aid one of these institutions that “help fund black education”.

Does anyone else find it ironic that most of the money goes to students who come from families that don’t need the financial help? UNCF my ass!

6 06 2008
ninabrown

DST, all the way,#3…don’t hate! any tre’s out there?

6 06 2008
PrettyPiscesGirl

Put it like this…before I went to my alma mater, I knew little to nothing about Greeks other than what I saw in movies about white greeks and the INFAMOUS School Daze (I could smack Spike for that movie, but I love it, so I won’t). I got to school, met a few folks, and really admired what the Black Greeks did. I had no problems with making friends there…made some my first night in the dorm…they were my girls from that point on. I made friends due to my activities at school. So joining a Greek for me didn’t help that at all. I simply made more friends who became my sisters. Joining a Greek didn’t encourage me to do more community service…I’d been doing that since I was a child. However, I enjoy working in groups devoted to a common and beneficial cause.
I enjoy all of the business aspect, along with the networking aspects as well. I like being able to go to almost any area in the country, and being able to get with my sisters and brothers to socialize. I enjoy knowing people who can help me out when needed, and vice versa. I enjoy meeting amazing women from all over the world, women who one might never hear about because they’re so low key. I could and did do all that before Greekdom…but I’m all about the collective good, contributing to a cause bigger and much older than myself.

6 06 2008
Omar

@ RWEmerson – I see your point however we need both and we will probably always have similar dichotomies.

Nat Turner – Frederick Douglass
W.E.B. Dubois – Booker T. Washington
Malcolm X-Martin Luther King Jr
Angela Davis – Maxine Waters

6 06 2008
Omar

Speaking of School Daze…

…WAAAAAAAAAKE UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

6 06 2008
Landon

not Maxine waters, LMAO

6 06 2008
Omar

@Landon – I love Maxine Waters, I’m just saying some work within the system and others work outside of it.

What years did you go to Morehouse your name sounds familiar?

6 06 2008
Sue

Cosigning with B4Prez,

Do you know how much these “trades” can pay? These are skills that will ALWAYS be needed long after the stockmarket crashes and computers go kaput. I mean really, when are we going to stop looking down upon these types of careers? These jobs will put many of our kids in school and provide them with the money to join a GO!

6 06 2008

I am so bored with all of this greek talk

6 06 2008
Muse

As a member of a BGLO I have a love/hate relationship with Greeks. On one hand I grew up around BLGO members my whole life. My grandmother, aunts, cousins etc were AKAs. My father pledged Alpha when he was at Howard. My uncle was a Kappa etc… Growing up I saw these remarkable people doing amazing things in society and since they were associated with BGLOs, naturally I wanted to be apart of one these esteemed organizations.

Now fast forward. I’m in college and my existence on campus is euphoric. I have no drama, lots of friends, and I’m very involved on campus and around the community. Eventually I join AKA and that is when my peaceful existence as a college student ends. To make a long story short there was a ghost line and they didn’t get their paper work, and then there was the legit line that had everything in order. There were real and fake AKAs running around campus causing drama and what took it to another level is that rumors got started and other Greeks decided to stick their nose in matters that didn’t concern them. It was messy, dramatic, and to this very day I still owe a few folks a severe ass-whooping (hehehe). Property was damaged, tires were slashed, dead rats left on my car, and a harassment from cowardly Greeks who feed into drama. So the Kimberley Torres situation doesn’t surprise me.

In fact I find it extremely laughable since so many AKAs recognize ghost/renegades yet they are the first to alienate that individual if shit hits the fan. If anyone needs a reminder, back in 2002 two young women from Cal State LA who were pledging AKA died on the beach as a result of drowning. Although no charges were brought everyone Greek knows that those young women were pledging and something wrong where the two women ended up getting pulled into the ocean that couldn’t swim. Instead of doing the right thing, there was a code of silence. Charges were never filed and everyone went on with their happy lives. Ethics and integrity went out the window.

I’ve met many Greeks who were embarrassments to the human race and I’ve met Greeks who I would be proud to have as my friend. Unfortunately the original goal of being an asset to the community and giving back has been lost in the pledging/hazing process. People who are joining these organizations are doing so as a result of their own narcissism or to be accepted. The students who would be true assets to the organization are turned off because of all the political bullshit involved. Within the Greek community people fight over who pledge the hardest, who skated, who’s paper, who’s ghost (someone who pledged but isn’t recognized nationally), who has the bigger dick etc…There are enough lame ass losers in BLGOs that give all the organizations a bad name. We have folks who don’t finish college, have mediocre grades, and prison records. Some of the women are whores, unattractive, and have foul attitudes. Yet because they have letters, these heifers act like they piss gold.

BLGOs have the potential to bring out the best and worse in people. I’ve seen individuals come out of their shell and blossom into true leaders as a result of joining a fraternity/sorority. I’ve seen individuals turn into sadomasochist nut jobs who don’t give a damn about honor, respect, or integrity. There is definitely a cult mentality with some Greeks where everything is all about letters. If I had to make a list of the 100 most important things to me, being Greek wouldn’t even make the list.

Despite my criticism I don’t have any regrets because I’ve learned so much about people and myself in the process. Now that I’m older, I’m not involved with the exception of paying dues for my tax right offs. My life is awesome and being Greek has not enriched it in any capacity. I’m also not brainwashed to the point where I refuse to acknowledge the criticism non Greeks have which have turned out to be true on several occasions.

(Jesus Chris I can’t believe I wrote all of that. My bad)

6 06 2008
Landon

99-03

6 06 2008
Muse

I actually meant to say Christ. Blah. Carry on.

6 06 2008
Oracle

SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF THE PEOPLE POSTING AND THE AUTHOR OF THIS BLOG IS BITTER WHEN IT COmES TO GREEK LETTERED ORGANIZATIONS. MAYBE THEY ARE THE ONES THAT WE DENIED.

6 06 2008
Merri Lee

PrettyPiscesGirl (13:13:12) :

Hmm…first of all, as a member of a Black Greek Letter Sorority, let me explain WHY we take “perping” (or perpetrating) membership so seriously. Many of us paid our HARD EARNED money to be duly initiated members of the organization. We also continue to pay our HARD EARNED money to support these organizations who have done/still do much good in the community. That is why we bug out when folks who have not done the same wear the letters of our various orgs.

I haven’t had time to read all the comments, but I’m kind of piggy backing on PPG. It’s like this – you went to college, you got your degree. I hung out at your college, hung out with a few computer science majors, and now they recognize me as an alum with a BS degree. so even though you paid your tuition, did the work and the school recognizes you, but not me, as an alum, the fools who tossed calculus books at me do. yet they don’t recognize you. I hope that made sense.

6 06 2008
Oracle

I LOVE MY A PHI A!!!!!

6 06 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

@Oracle

6 06 2008
Knatural

Chris, Christ, it’s all the same in his mind…right.

6 06 2008
Muse

Oracle

Your argument has absolutely no logic. A person criticizing BGLOs does not mean that person desires to be part of that organization. That’s a defense mechanism many Greeks use to make themselves feel better.

6 06 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

“SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF THE PEOPLE POSTING AND THE AUTHOR OF THIS BLOG IS BITTER WHEN IT COmES TO GREEK LETTERED ORGANIZATIONS. MAYBE THEY ARE THE ONES THAT WE DENIED.”

I suppose the non-Greeks on this board criticize Nazis and NAMBLA because they rejected us, too.

Please leave logical inference to people with triple digit IQs, you loud-typing retard.

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

The idea that every critic of a BGLO wanted to be in BGLO = the idea of penis envy.

6 06 2008
Merri Lee

First of all Chris – your email/comment boards are going to be off the chain.

Chris – I have to admit I find this to be a perplexing topic for you to have picked. Unlike non-Greeks who have had bad experiences with Greeks, you appear to have had NO experiences with Greeks. (Correct me if I’m wrong)
So why the hate against people you seem to have no contact with?

6 06 2008

Nice try oracle.

6 06 2008
Knatural

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA@Willnotbetelevised. I would NEVER want my own attached penis.

6 06 2008
Muse

Knat you lie. You know you liked that pearl rabbit I sent as a gift as an apology for the afterschool fight we had. Geez. Stop fronting!

6 06 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

“So why the hate against people you seem to have no contact with?”

Why not?

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

well that would be a disattached penis wouldn’t it? Peni are fine and dandy if you can put them away somewhere and take out as needed.

6 06 2008

I want muse to stop being the bully of SBPH High. Non violence Non violence.

6 06 2008
Muse

Having a penis doesn’t appeal to me. They are overly sensitive, get hurt easily, and experience performance anxiety under certain circumstances. Vaginas don’t have those issues.

6 06 2008
shabooty

why is there always the token white bitch in the step-team?
and her goal in life is to own a hair-braiding salon.

sigh…token.
sort of like the gay guy in ballet class

or the gay guy at the sex and the city movie.

$

6 06 2008
Deviant

“So why the hate against people you seem to have no contact with?”

Why not?

I thought I was the only one who thought like this
its beautiful

6 06 2008
Muse

Ne

– you and me after school at 3!

And give my yo lunch money!

6 06 2008
Merri Lee


stuffblackpeoplehate (17:58:04) :

“So why the hate against people you seem to have no contact with?”

Why not?

Duh. I read your blog every damn day.

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

ooh SBPH high, which one of us is going to get pregnant and drop out? We already know Mrs. Epps is the one who drinks all the time and throws parties. And I’m going to go ahead and say Angry IV is the big math nerd who’s always stares at chicks boobs. And shabooty is the perv whos always trying to get into the girls locker room. Which one are you Nè?

6 06 2008
Muse

Shabooty female wiggers usually have fat asses because they eat a lot of fried chicken and sweet pottato pie.

They are also easy lays because they want acceptance in the colored communities.

6 06 2008
CarolinaHaze

Where the fuck is all the community service and shit that gets mentioned in most greek’s list of reasons for joining?

I live in North Carolina. We have a shit ton of colleges/universities and quite a few are HBCs. I’m almost certain that most of these institutes have BGLOs of some form or another. Well, I have yet to see anything larger than a fucking Saturday carwash thrown to benefit the community. Is doing community service a part of the joining process that gets abandoned after one is initiated? Is all the community help coming in the form of fancy dress benefits, so greeks can lay out some $$ and feel like they helped out?

If you greeks are really serving the community, you’re not doing so well at it. Maybe less screeching cat calls, special handshakes, stomp dancing, “networking” and hot iron branding and a little more of your community work might actually be more than just a side note for the next fancy dress ball.

“It’s a Trap!!”

6 06 2008

Muse:

::in my best martin squeaky voice::

“I ain’t gone be no bitch”

6 06 2008
Muse

LMAO.

Bring your Vaseline!

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Nè is the one who has to bring 2 lunches everyday and gets shoved into her locker.

6 06 2008
Muse

Hmmm scratch the vaseline…that doesn’t sound right especialy with minds like Shabooty.

6 06 2008
Landon

Chris:

On the same line of logic maybe non-greeks didnt take the time to learn the true meaning of the organizations and only go by what they see on the surface…
No different when people look at you and would never conclude you are a0 computer engineer with a triple digit IQ…
People can critize all they want but at the same time they just pass over all the positive things we did…

I can come up with a ISH load of NON- Greeks who have done nothing but brought down OUR Race… I can even group them by major or NSBE or Black Law Review or NAACP, religion, creed, city or what ever other category to group people in and find bad apples to make negative generalizations of that group.

If you look at the list of who’s who of “us” i would say 70% are Greek (Does that not speak for our organizations?). But I would say .05% repersent those who are bringing Black People Down (that includes Rev. Jesse Jackson in that that number)…

To the AKA with that Drama, Thats you and your Chapter! Maybe they should of focus on iniating members with better charcter? I didn t become a Sigma just so i could USE SIGMA! You learn a lot about ones charcter when they are tested under fire…

Just like anyone can talk tough until SHIT REALLY HITS THE FAN/

6 06 2008
the kid

“I suppose the non-Greeks on this board criticize Nazis and NAMBLA because they rejected us, too.

Please leave logical inference to people with triple digit IQs, you loud-typing retard.”

F*cking hiliarious

“#1 That broad in this post is fuckin gorgeous. I’d give her an elephant walk she wouldn’t forget”

cosigned.

6 06 2008
Landon

Carolina:

we dont do the service so we can SAY LOOK AT ME… LOOK AT ME I AM DOING SERVICE… I am not going to bring our mentees and march them up and say look at me, look at me…

Maybe its because you are hung over at 9 in the morning on a sunday while we are up and about doing our service…

6 06 2008
Knatural

Muse/SBPH Bully – vaginas have other issues.

6 06 2008
Landon

Or two busy ducking us while you doing the walk of shame back to your spot. in high heels basketball shorts and hoodie.

now yall making me turn into ANGRY BLACK MAN MODE..

6 06 2008
letinstar

i’m not a joiner by nature…so this has never appealled to me….plus the idea of being someone bitchduring pledge week just doesn’t sit right with me…

6 06 2008
Knatural

Landon – goosfraba

6 06 2008
Omar

In case you haven’t figured it out this is the perfect place to be an ANGRY BLACK MAN.

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

well landon you are in the right place for that. Although I like how you have to turn into angry black man like the hulk. I hope you keep your pants on too.

6 06 2008

willnotbetelevised-
No no no don’t let the bully Muse fool you! lol I get’s down.

:takes off hoops::

” Quit holding me back, quit holding me back”

6 06 2008
Yonnie3k

Merri Lee – did you just come to a site called stuffblackpeoplehate.com and ask the author, “Why the hate?”

LMAO @ NAMBLA

6 06 2008
Landon

depends… if she CUTE>. NOPE…. THey just Pop right off.

6 06 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

“In case you haven’t figured it out this is the perfect place to be an ANGRY BLACK MAN.”

Thank you.

6 06 2008
Muse

Landon,

I know who I am and the people I joined the organization with. These are outstanding women who got pulled into some bullshit as a result of other people. In fact they carried themselves with a lot of class and dignity through all the chaos. So once again your argument was baseless and if you took time to read my post (and I don’t expect you to) you will know that my opinion is balanced between the good and the bad of Greek life. If you are too brainwashed to realize that there are rotten apples in BLGOs then I will pray for you. An ignorant man is a danger to himself and other. Not everything about being BGLO member is fantastic. There are some serious issues that need to be address if BLGOs expect to survive the next 100 years.

6 06 2008
maya

Co-Signing Muse’s comment:

Oracle, that disposition is generally the reason why people who aren’t in BLGO’s hate us now. Joining the organizations isn’t everybody’s twist, and that should be respected in the same way that joining was something we chose to pursue.

Wearing letters doesn’t make you cool. In fact, wearing letters seems to only amplify how cool or un-cool someone was to begin with. And what Muse and Tamara said are true – Greek life has most certainly turned into cult-like membership in certain chapters…people don’t know the difference between pledging and hazing, and the niggas crying, “I PLEDGED” the loudest clearly are the most bamboozled.

More people needed.

6 06 2008
Muse

Knat,

Vaginas do bleed every 27-30 days.

6 06 2008
6 06 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

“Vaginas do bleed every 27-30 days.”

I don’t trust anything that bleeds for five days and doesn’t die.

6 06 2008
Knatural

“Vaginas do bleed every 27-30 days.”
I don’t trust anything that bleeds for five days and doesn’t die.

AHAHAHHAHAAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

You don’t have to trust vagina, just love it.

6 06 2008
Muse

Whoa momma, my cycle is so on point that I actually schedule PTO if the first day of my period falls on a week day. I’m a maniacal bitch and I hate everything with a penis.

Ladies what do you think of those birth control pills where you only bleed three times a year. That’s freaky to me.

6 06 2008
Muse

Chris have you earned your red wings yet? I bet Shabooty has LMAO

6 06 2008
Merri Lee


Yonnie3k (18:14:19) :

Merri Lee – did you just come to a site called stuffblackpeoplehate.com and ask the author, “Why the hate?”

Exactly. That’s why I called myself out.

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

I personally hate Martha and only liked the fact that she used to come only 3 times a year for me anyway. That has now changed but I am still looking forward to the day when she goes away forever. I understand the safety of seeing her monthly, but I hate her and wish she would just send a note or something saying, hey you’re not pregnant but you still got some eggs. I don’t need the nonsense.

6 06 2008
Merri Lee


Muse (18:24:25) :

Whoa momma, my cycle is so on point that I actually schedule PTO if the first day of my period falls on a week day. I’m a maniacal bitch and I hate everything with a penis.

Ladies what do you think of those birth control pills where you only bleed three times a year. That’s freaky to me.

First of all, I hate you for being that damn regular.

Second those pills will make you gain about 30 lbs, plus kills your sex drive and turn your into a total psycho. I had a roommate who took them for a couple of months, and we threatened to report her to campus housing (Catholic school) if she didn’t change her prescription.

6 06 2008
Landon

AHHHHHAHAWWWWWWWW TRASHING OFFICE>…

i know there are rotten apples… just like there is rotten pussy in this world… but i dont banish all because of it, i just look for the signs of the Rotten Apple…

I never understood how people allow Ghost lines! RUN YOUR CHAPTER RIGHT IT DOES NOT HAPPEN SIMPLY PUT… GHOST LINEs are cancer, hence you are suppose to rip them OUT…

I didnt mean to insult the charcter of yoru chapter just how your chapter was ran. is that better?

Kicking Over desk!!!! and GRunting! Brainwashed?

yes I was Brainwashed, I am freaking Sigma… they say we are Country… what was i brainwashed into? By our Motto… Culture for Service and Service for Humanity… are you kidding me…

now i am going to go out side and trip the first lil white kid i see to make me feel better.

Anger over taking me….. AEERGGGHHWSHFIOAH ;ukihf asd

6 06 2008

sidenote:

My trucker sex drive has gone down since I started this new bc…I am sad!

6 06 2008
SOMALI QUEEN

Why are called ‘Greek’ when they’re blacker than coal? WTF?

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Oh I should explain that I was taught back in the elementary ages by well meaning white women that if I needed to leave class to say that my Aunt Flo has come to visit. My friends didn’t like the name Flo (too descriptive and we didn’t want to encourage her) so we named her Martha.

6 06 2008

” personally hate Martha and only liked the fact that she used to come only 3 times a year for me anyway.”

Please explain!

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

I’m special 🙂

6 06 2008
Merri Lee

BTW – nothing is funnier than hijacking a man’s blog with period conversations

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

And I think every guy on here will thank me for not explaining.

6 06 2008
maya

Somali Queen…please relax. No one has the strength to break things down for you today. It’s too hot.

6 06 2008
Amadeo

Wow…so the last 20 or so comments totally threw off my response…

yeah…

Anyway the only real networking is through the Yale Joints S&B, S&K and WH.

The rest are like getting weed hookups…you could politic those contacts solo.

6 06 2008
Yonnie3k

Muse (18:24:25) :

Ladies what do you think of those birth control pills where you only bleed three times a year. That’s freaky to me.

Hold on to your fcukin’ hat…

http://blog.syracuse.com/healthfitness/2008/02/having_a_happy_period.html

6 06 2008

lol maya

6 06 2008
Muse

Merri Lee hate some more….

My cycle last for 3 days every 27 days like clockwork. I give myself day 4 to clear everything out if you know what I mean. : )

But if it makes you feel better, the first day I have insane cramps where I have to take the 800ml Motrin 4 xs day.

However I started running recently and it has significantly improved the intensity of my cramps. Last month I only had to take one Motrin and I was cool. I think cramps was my body’s way of telling me “Listen bitch you better not turn into a fat fuck or we are going to bring in the pain!”

So now I make sure I run at least 3-4 times a week to see it works out.

TMI I know..this is girl talk. LOL

6 06 2008
Landon

Chris:

WE NEED YOU HELP HERE>>>>

If we start talking about Patches and Bloating…
I might ended up stabbing my Assistant outside my office!!!!

6 06 2008

It’s unnatural to only bleed 3 times a year. Period. 🙂

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Hey man, Verysmartbrothas was talking about the male birth control pill yesterday. So you could just join in now 😉

6 06 2008

Mine is every 28 days just like clockwork. I have a headache the 27th day and emotional ranting to my boyfriend about my feelings.

6 06 2008
Knatural

I call mine Mary (get it, I know, I’m so clever). Anyway, Berf Control scares me in general.

“Why are called ‘Greek’ when they’re blacker than coal? WTF?”-Somali Queen
You aren’t that bright, huh?

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Hey Nè, some people like to be freaks (pun intended)

6 06 2008
Muse

Yonnie I am fucking dead at that link. Can you please post it on the facebook group? I’m officially dead right now.

6 06 2008
Landon

if this conversation continues this will be me at work.

6 06 2008
Yonnie3k

YES!! Periods and pills… Now this is a topic that I can relate to.

There’s a male birth control pill? Do tell…

6 06 2008
shabooty

i like my bitch never bleeding and with no digestive system preferably.

and if she’s a mute too, that’s a bonus. and if i won’t have to buy her leash separately, that’d be extra dandy… saves me money so I can purchase her muzzle, and the newspapers for her cage.

LOL KIDDING

6 06 2008
Muse

Right before my period, I start eating fucking everything on sight. The day before my last period I had sprinkles cupcakes, fried chicken, candy apple, fettuccini with shrimp…God I was a pig. Basically I crave very rich foods.

6 06 2008
SOMALI QUEEN

Maya — it’s ok…keeping talking about nasty stuff coming btwn ur legs. I guess it’s not too hot to be nasty.

I don’t measure intelligence by how much sorority crap one knows — that comment just said a lot about you.

And I can’t believe how nasty the girls here are. The days of there being ‘ladies’ is long, long gone.

Disgusting.

6 06 2008

knat:
lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Don’t make me call he who shall not be named on somali queen.

6 06 2008
Yonnie3k

Damn you Somali…you were doing so well the other day when ST paid you that compliment.

LANDON!! What. The Fcuk? I was DYING laughing at that video. The girl in the office next to me asked if I was okay.

6 06 2008
Knatural

Landon – that can’t be real. I’m mad that the office is still using those big-ass computer monitors in 2008. Flat Panel Monitors people.
Somali – Deductive reasoning skills will get you far, learn some.

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Jeebus somali sourpuss. Its greek because its a GREEK LETTER organization. Thus the kappa, alpha, omega stuff. can you now feel at peace to drink your sugarless lemonade pinky out

6 06 2008
Merri Lee

Muse – I still hate you. Not only did birth control pills fails to regulate my period, exercise does NOTHING for cramps. I feel like Siguorney Weaver in “Alien” Plus I vomit, get nosebleeds, tunnel vision and migraines for about three damn days! Ive been to about four gynos, and they can’t seem to find a damn thing wrong with me. The good news? At least I don’t have fibroids/fistula/cancer

6 06 2008
Muse

Somali, is it taboo for women in your culture to discuss bodily functions?

BTW Maya wasn’t participating in period talk…

I’m also wondering Salami if you freaked out when you started your own period. Have you ever looked at your vagina before? Do you know the parts of your vagina? Do you touch yoruself? Do you even have a clitoris or was it chopped off by the village elder with a rusty knife? Do share. Thanks.

6 06 2008
Merri Lee

Speaking of vaginas – WTF?

6 06 2008
Muse

Merri have you thought about taking Evening Primrose oil as a supplement? I heard that helps a lot with cramps. I would also increase your potassium intake by having one banana a day. Try that for a month and see what kind of results you get.

6 06 2008

lmaooo @ the video

You gotta love white folks. I would have said:

“This fool has lost his mind. I don’t have time for this shit, I’m going home”

6 06 2008
Landon

Muse… (earlier post form you)_

Vaginas do have performace issues…

Thats one problem women have… They all think they have the Platnium Punnay…

HELL TO THE MUTHA FUCKING NAH>….

Yall need to work at it just like us… Kegal workouts… they need to teach that class in the GYM…

Men know we have to perform so we at least try to work at it…

yall think yall got that red koolaid goodness when in reality some of yall just got TANG. Get the SQUEEZING!

6 06 2008
SOMALI QUEEN

Muse my dear, let me introduce you to a word you’ve never heard before – SELF RESPECT.

My culture and my religion do value modesty — however, I would think all humans value a healthy dose of self respect and modesty.

6 06 2008
Esquire

Chris,

Just asking in a nice (really) way, what do you make of those people who joined greek organizations AFTER college?

I joined undergrad, and there were a few shenanigans, I will admit. But it goes with the territory of being young and stupid.

I think the difference in SOME of the sororities/frats is what some of them do after college. I cant speak for all, and wont try, but my graduate chapter does adopt-a-highway (litter pickup), tutoring programs, a mentor program for disadvantaged girls 13-17 in my area, as well as giving out over $10,000 in scholarship money last year. But MY soroirty was founded on community service principles. It is clear that we are not a social sorority. Yes, while we DO social things, the crux, the core, is community service. We can outdrink most men Friday nite, but we also get up early on Saturday to go clean a historic black graveyard, or conduct an AIDS seminar.

Another polite question (honestly). Would your child learning how to step be so bad? I am sure that the Indian dance and costume making is very detailed and takes a long time to master. I dont step and admittedly only took the time to learn the Founder’s Step, but are the two not similar? Maybe they arent, Im just honestly curious.

I think most Greeks hate on each other in pure fun. Like if you liked the Broncos and I liked the Cowboys…at least thats what I do. Like the playful comments Muse and I had the other day. But then again, I am older, and the cliques and other stuff dont matter. I am proud of my sorority sort of like those from Chicago would be of Barack.

It doesnt define me, I dont read my colors all day every day, but it is a part of what I did and still participate in. For me, and a lot of others its more about binding together and doing some good while having some fun and a bond.

6 06 2008

I hate you muse!

6 06 2008
Merri Lee

Muse – I have (primrose.) Thanks for the tip though! I’ve tried low dose pills, high dose pills and evening primrose. All of the above worked for about two months, then it wears off and I’m back to square one. All the docs said changing pill prescriptions is a bad idea (since my idea was to change every time they wore off)

If any ladies out there have other ideas I’d like to hear them I just started one of those homeopathic things they sell in the blue tubes at Whole Foods. It worked last month, but next month…

6 06 2008
Yonnie3k

Merri Lee – sounds like you have really high blood pressure. Did the put you on blood pressure meds?

Muse….DAMN! I know I made the famine joke yesterday. And I felt bad about. I did. But damn!

Am I the only one that does kegels in yoga class? It really centers me.

6 06 2008

Welcome to america somali queen! Where we are modest when we want to be!

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

Muse-I’m also wondering Salami if you freaked out when you started your own period. Have you ever looked at your vagina before? Do you know the parts of your vagina? Do you touch yoruself? Do you even have a clitoris or was it chopped off by the village elder with a rusty knife? Do share. Thanks

LMAOO !@#$%^&*()

6 06 2008
maya

Actully, Somali Queen, I didn’t say anything in regards to my period or any other bodily function. Now apologize, bitch.

Futhermore, I was not suggesting that those who are not Greek should know anything about Greek life. Still, presuming that you are of a reasonable level of intelligence, the answer to your question should be apparent.

Go sit in the corner and don’t move ’til Muse or I tell you it’s okay.

6 06 2008
Knatural

Merri Lee – could also be caffiene intake. Or just hereditary.

6 06 2008
Yonnie3k

Somali. SELF RESPECT. Two words. Side effects of malnutrition. I know.

6 06 2008
klysha

@ Sarah

so, you choose to vilify a group that was in direct contrast to everything you stood for by making a group in celebration of the ridiculousness of the entire Greek establishment? so, Hoochie Phi Coochie, a caricature/hyperbole of Greek life, is something you really stand for?

No, we didn’t villify anyone and no I didn’t stand for anything hoochie-fied (and neither did my friends). If anything our non-organization mocked both sororities and hoochies (and I’m not saying that sorority girls and hoochies are synonymous). It was truly only a running joke among friends. At least our club was a joke. People in GOs take that crap seriously. For those who wanted to spend precious (for a college student) cash and suck up to people who didn’t necessarily have any socially redeeming qualities to be a part of a club that was all good. It was just not for me. I never even considered it even though I have several family members who I love dearly who are members of these organizations. Community service, sister/brotherhood, networking = wonderful aspects of a social club. Exclusivity, secrecy, elitism, hazing, freakish cultlike behavior = some stuff I’ll pass on. Of course I’m speaking as an “outsider”. Maybe these groups are the best thing that ever happened to those who choose to be a part of them, and maybe being a hoochie is a wonderful life choice for some people. I could really care less how others choose to spend their time.

6 06 2008

Merri lee:

How about your sex intake? Try having sex twice a day for a month and call me in the morning.

6 06 2008
Yonnie3k

Rotten pu$$y? Do tell…

6 06 2008

I am doing kegels right now.

5-6-7-8…

6 06 2008
Esquire

@Somali

They are called Greek organizations, because the names are comprised of greek letters that have different meanings. Some more literal than others. Many have “secret” meanings known only to thier members.

I.E. Alpha Phi Alpha Alpha means first…
Omega Psi Phi: Omega means Last

so on and so forth.
Thats just a very basic explanation, but thats why. A lot of people dont know what the different ones truly mean to different organizations, but that is why they are called Greek Organizations. Does that help?

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

Sounds like someone is dick deprived..not naming names…

6 06 2008
Merri Lee

I’ll try the potassium thing. For the record, my blood pressure is a little below average but healthy. I rarely drink coffee (the doc mentioned the caffeine thing) and none other women in my fam have the problem. I’m going into the doc soon for my annual pap/getting the HPV shot. I’ll ask if she knows about any studies I can enroll in (I better not get the placebos.)

6 06 2008
Knatural

YES Kegels and sex do help with cramps!

6 06 2008
SOMALI QUEEN

Yes, it does. Thanks, Esquire.

I don’t think that was hard!!!

6 06 2008
Muse

Merri Lee I just called my mom and she thinks that you have a serious mineral imbalance in your system which is why you are experiencing all of those symptoms during your cycle. You are probably going to have to reduce caffeine, sugar and alcohol along with your salt intake. My mom also highly recommends that you look into taking Black Cohosh, Krill Oil, and oil of fennel which is a common root vegetable. So also recommends drinking ginger tea every night.

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Landon just threw a computer at the chic next to him.

6 06 2008
Knatural

I mad you called your mom.

6 06 2008

willnotbetelevised:

lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

Knat-YES Kegels and sex do help with cramps!

sure do! even though i recently hurt my back during sex on the stairs..i’ve been getting rubbed down with ice hot for 3 days now ahhh..**cries**

6 06 2008
Knatural

“You are probably going to have to reduce caffeine, sugar and alcohol along with your salt intake.”
So basically you can no longer eat.

6 06 2008
Esquire

Well, I can co sign that some of the people in these groups act like monkeys, but they arent all bad, and I think the vision of most of the founders was to do GOOD and band together.

Most of them were founded during a time when blacks NEEDED to band together. Sometimes the message gets lost. But if it makes those who truly hate those organizations feel better…a lot of the stepping, chants, calls, were developed much much later. Im sure that like my sorority, most of the greek orgs still go by the rituals and procedures thier founders made, which is FULL of Christian background, prayers, hymns, etc. Lots of meetings and rituals behind closed doors are almost like going to church. Those are the things that unfortunately people dont get to see, all they see are stupid movies with greek “crumping” (who DOES that) and wearing jackets, and swinging canes.

6 06 2008
Merri Lee

Muse. THANKS!!! I’ll get my minerals checked. I rarely drink (I doubt I’ve had 30 alcoholic drinks in my lifetime)

Ne – this is terrible. My doc recommended the same thing last year. Punchline – she’s a lesbian. But a sista done found Jesus and gave up any and all sex, I won’t tell you how many, er, years ago.

6 06 2008
Esquire

Muse, no you didnt. This blog is so useful.

6 06 2008

“fuck yo couch”

6 06 2008
Knatural

“But a sista done found Jesus and gave up any and all sex…”-Merri Lee
My condolences.

6 06 2008
maya

Lol @ “crumping”

6 06 2008

::hugs merri lee::

6 06 2008
Merri Lee

Né (19:04:27) :

“fuck yo couch”
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I love you Ne. For the record, i’m not claiming to be some holier than thou type, cuz I will cuss a bitch out (Lord forgive me,) I just never enjoyed sex anyway, so it wasn’t difficult to give up. Problem is i get some with some overly stuffy, holier than yo mama church dudes. boo.

6 06 2008
Merri Lee

damn you HTML!!!!!!

6 06 2008
Esquire

Its not called crumping? What is it crunking. My husband does when Im mad at him so I laugh. Its the dumbest dance in the fucking world. Isnt that what they were doing in that Stomp the Yard movie? Where you jump around and wiggle your arms? Im dying thinking about it.

6 06 2008

I understand Merri.

I have too found jesus and I have a hard time with my “sex spirit” It’s a battle that I deal with on a DAILY basis. On the contrary I have no cramps.

6 06 2008

I am silly, and I crump in the shower.

6 06 2008
Muse

Merri don’t feel bad I havne’t had relations in a very long time myself. I feel like a born again Virgin Bahahaha

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

Its not called crumping? What is it crunking. My husband does when Im mad at him so I laugh. Its the dumbest dance in the fucking world. Isnt that what they were doing in that Stomp the Yard movie? Where you jump around and wiggle your arms? Im dying thinking about it.

thats like the best description i ver heard hahahha…i call it the seizure dance…liek foreal it looks like an arm is going to fly out the socket and someones head is going to snap off hahah

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

I hate the “born again virgin” bs..blah….aint no such thing!

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Dang Ne, you got some serious grips and handlebars in that shower? I now fear for your safety.

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

I also need to say that all showers should have handlebars. Its not just useful for old people.

6 06 2008
Esquire

And thier eyes get all big. They are SO serious. And you must be sweaty to do it properly, apparently.

6 06 2008

I am crumping more in my mind, and my facial expressions.

6 06 2008
Esquire

Ne, dont do that. It might stick. And those are some ugly faces they make.

6 06 2008

The scrunch my nose..lip curl..forehead wrinkle face?

OH BTW goooooooooooooooooo BOSTON!

6 06 2008
Btfldreamr7

CarolinaHaze (18:03:36) :

Where the fuck is all the community service and shit that gets mentioned in most greek’s list of reasons for joining?

I live in North Carolina. We have a shit ton of colleges/universities and quite a few are HBCs. I’m almost certain that most of these institutes have BGLOs of some form or another. Well, I have yet to see anything larger than a fucking Saturday carwash thrown to benefit the community. Is doing community service a part of the joining process that gets abandoned after one is initiated? Is all the community help coming in the form of fancy dress benefits, so greeks can lay out some $$ and feel like they helped out?

If you greeks are really serving the community, you’re not doing so well at it. Maybe less screeching cat calls, special handshakes, stomp dancing, “networking” and hot iron branding and a little more of your community work might actually be more than just a side note for the next fancy dress ball.

“It’s a Trap!!”

This is the exact same thing I came on here to post! CO-SIGN X 100!! All of that “we do charity work” crap is total bullshit!! At least you guys get the worthless car wash. We don’t even get that!

6 06 2008
Landon

Wait did someone ask if they cut her clit off with a rusty KNIFE… Yall are foul….

6 06 2008
Merri Lee


Landon (19:30:47) :

Wait did someone ask if they cut her clit off with a rusty KNIFE… Yall are foul….

I guess I could donate mine…

6 06 2008
Landon

We need to have a Stuffblackpeoplehate party…

whats up… i live in NYC…. but i party in DC all the time…

6 06 2008
Yonnie3k

Ditto – in DC all the time

6 06 2008
maya

You guys can meet half-way and come party in Philly with me 🙂

6 06 2008
Landon

Merri:

Now we all know you wouldnt give up yoru Clit…

you would give up a kidney, some blood hell maybe even an eye so Stevie WOnder could see the Ribbon in the SKY… but now way in Hell you giving up your clit…

6 06 2008
Yonnie3k

Landon – YOU AIN’T SLICK!! All these ladies in here talking about how they haven’t had any in a long time…now all of a sudden, you’re willing to travel 4 hours to see them. Triflin’

6 06 2008
Esquire

@btfldrmr:
Where do you live? Is this conversation directed toward just members in college? Maybe that is all some of them do. I dont know anymore, my chapter was always pretty active.

6 06 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

The only thing stupider than Philadelphia is this video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=V55Zq5whVCI&feature=related

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Everyone on here is a DC transplant in the NYC area it seems. Another question for facebook. Where should we have SBPH conference/reunion/party? 🙂

6 06 2008
Merri Lee

@ Landon – hahahahahaha! I should clarify that on my organ donation card.

6 06 2008
Al From Bay Shore

Hey wait a minute. I am not a part of a Black Greek organization and I once held a very negative view of them BUT as I’ve grown older, I ‘ve come to develop the belief that college kids need to do those silly (and sometime frivolous) fraternity/sorority “things”. I believe folks at HBCUs have every right to wear their jackets with the letter, have step shows, have out of control drink and vomit parties, perform occasional community service (while hungover), etc., We’re going a bit hard on these kids. Let them have fun.

There is a double standard. Its somehow okay for an 18 year old to join the military, do military things, as well as get drunk (often) and go to titty bars. However, that same 18 year old is criticized if he does the same thing at Morehouse while wearing his Sigma/Omega/Alpha jacket. I think black folks have a thing about being “conscious” and “politically relevant” to the point where we are denying and repressing a natural desire for reckless fun and enjoyment.

6 06 2008
Landon

If we have a SBPH party (w. chris the VIP popping bottles in both hands)

I am making sure i have a knife with me (i am not even a thug)…. but seeing how things get on this message board… Either a fight or an Orgy is going to break out… but i am leaning towards, fight….

SOmali Queen is going to Hijack one of yall like a Yacht off her country’s coast.

6 06 2008
Yonnie3k

I’ll bring a pork chop for Somali and she’ll forget all about it

6 06 2008
PrettyPiscesGirl

Né said:
“I understand Merri.

I have too found jesus and I have a hard time with my “sex spirit” It’s a battle that I deal with on a DAILY basis. On the contrary I have no cramps.”

I knew I wasn’t the only one…I was finally convicted enough to start doing RIGHT last fall…9 months and counting. Hardest 9 months of my life…and yet I’m committed to celibacy until marriage.

On another note…I’m amused how this convo went from greeks to menstruation…some of y’all have a TALENT for changing the topic on a dime LOL!

6 06 2008
PrettyPiscesGirl

If y’all have that party, take pics…I’d have to miss all fun here in TX…hold up, on second thought, maybe no pics…might incriminate some folks!

6 06 2008
Muse

OMG yall I think Creole Booty is on the facebook. Who the hell has a name like
Genevieve Bidet-Renoulleau ?!!!!!!! Say that five times fast!!!!!!!

6 06 2008
Yonnie3k

That celibacy ish is real easy…when you’re single

6 06 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

When frat boys start partying to offset the effects of shit like this, I’ll be happy to remove the so-called double standard.

6 06 2008
Landon

applauding al from the bay shore…

only thing you forgot to do is say ” SEXUAL CHOCOLATE and drop the MIC”

but for real that was good post by Al From Bay Shore (19:43:32) :

6 06 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

“OMG yall I think Creole Booty is on the facebook. Who the hell has a name like
Genevieve Bidet-Renoulleau ?!!!!!!! Say that five times fast!!!!!!!”

I think that’s Grimm. Creole Doodie is a filthy Canadian.

6 06 2008
maya

let’s have a shindig. who is gonna buy me a drink?

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Any fight pops off and my money is on Muse or Sister Toldja. OOh wow what would happen if it were Muse vs Sister Toldja? Actually I think ST would win that, sorry Muse. more interesting matchups… Landon vs. Angry IV?

6 06 2008
Laurel

I agree with the post 100%. I haven’t been impressed with the BGLO types I’ve met. They’ve invariably been the typical EBP — acquisitive, show-boating Jaguar/Mercedes-driving, gated community living, mega-church attending, conference/convention-going strivers who will do anything they believe will differentiate them from UEBP not realizing they’ve created another highly undesirable class themselves.
**Of course, there are plenty of exceptions whom I haven’t met.
** And, yes, they would have rejected me if I’d tried to join. Obviously.

6 06 2008
Muse

What’s up with all the violence? I’m a lover not a fighter.

Besides I heart ST. She’s too cute to be fighting anyway.

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Umm T-pain?

6 06 2008
Landon

since chivalary is dead!!!!

why don’t we follow the laws of supply and demand and you ladies buy us a drink… there are more eligable (non crazy) employed black women than black men…. so on that note… MAYA

I like Bombay Saphire and Tonic w/ two limes…

Give me about 7 to 10 and you can even take me home 🙂

6 06 2008
Knatural

Muse is all talk. She’s probably a teddy-bear. AINT NOBODY SCARED OF YOU MUSE, YOU HEAR MEEEEEEEE……
Sister Toldja on the other hand….one boob will knock you out.
::ducks under desk until nightfall::

6 06 2008
Laurel

Add: And I’m talking about the ones who remain active post-college.

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Perhaps I’m in a violent mood, I haven’t seen any boxing in a while. But no, I hang out with too many boys and will always go back to imaginary ass-kicking contests. Come on, don’t act like Celebrity Death-Match didn’t used to be the shit. Just think of yourself as a SBPH celebrity.

6 06 2008
B4Prez

I’d have to agree with Chris…except Philly IS actually STUPIDER than that video.

Philly is all brown and gray…that really drab, depressing gray. Id rather party in West Virginia!

6 06 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

How bout a ST vs. NotBlonde boob fight?

I’ll bring the wrestling oil if Landon brings the chauvinism.

6 06 2008
Landon

So it is beyond evident no ONE HERE IS DOIGN ANY WORK!!

I some how hit all my deadliens today (have no idea how)…

Now if the building i am currently constructing falls down i am blaming it on yall.

6 06 2008
Knatural

Chris/SBPH has offered to have a party at his wonderful condo, replete with cucmber scent sticks and Obama goodie bags.
Willnotbetelevised – I hate you.

6 06 2008
Muse

Exactly. I have nice soft 36Ds that are made for cuddling. Besides females don’t fight fair. They might try to cut my face or pull out my hair. I can’t have all of that. What brings a tear to my heart is when I see female with scars all over their legs, arms, and face because they keep getting into physical altercations.

6 06 2008
Esquire

Chris,
you neglected answering my questions…but you probably didnt have time to read all that.

(sitting in the corner crying waiting for 5pm.)

6 06 2008
Landon

Done and DOne

6 06 2008
Muse

Maya why are you letting them talk shit about your town Philly? Are you going to accept that.

BTW my money is on NotBlonde in a boob fight. In fact I’ll put a 20 on her.

6 06 2008
Merri Lee

Muse (19:49:15) :

OMG yall I think Creole Booty is on the facebook. Who the hell has a name like
Genevieve Bidet-Renoulleau ?!!!!!!! Say that five times fast!!!!!!!

Isn’t a bidet a fake toilet?

6 06 2008
maya

Laurel:

Hi, my name is Maya. I live in a W. Philly duplex (no gates), attend a small Episcopalian church (when my soul feels tired…or Baptist, depending on my mood), I hate conferences, and hate classist sentiment among Black Americans, particularly back elite blacks don’t realize that they’re merely a marginalized group within a marginalized group and being an Uncle Tom gets you nowhere. I drive a Jetta (though my parents drive luxury vehicles and a result of their hard work from the bottom to a comfortable station in life, yet my mom is the only other Greek in our fam). Now you can say you’ve (kind of) met a Greek that doesn’t do all that foolishness you said.

LMAO @ Landon. I have bought a man a drink before, but who said I wasn’t crazy? 😉

6 06 2008
Esquire

Yes Merri Lee it is. Which is probably why she’s full of shit.

(I know, obvious joke)

6 06 2008
Muse

I’m going to friend Gen. I wanna see who this girl is!

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Nah I always think those scarred up bitches is just clumsy. I don’t like to give them too much credit.
On a related note, that was the one of funniest thing that ever happened to me in the carribbean. The hottest pick up line was “Gal, you wearing stockings? Your legs are beautiful” The lack of scars was mesmerizing dudes… 🙂 stockings

6 06 2008
maya

…I operate on a 4-drink limit, and I don’t take shots.

The standards are:

Cosmos
Cranberry and Belve
Tequila Sunrise
and Long Beaches.

However you want it, you can get it.

6 06 2008
Landon

Well Ladies and Gents…

Its Summer Hours at my construction firm — so i am out of here… BBQing like good ol negro is suppose to do when it reaches 80 degrees in NYC….

I wish all of yall a phone and safe weekend… Party hard and be safe…

If there is a boobfight we need to record it and put it on the site CHRIS instant 100k hits

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

A bidet is a booty washer.

6 06 2008
Esquire

Damn you landon. Its 99 degrees where I am. too hot to do anything

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Love is love knat 😉

6 06 2008
HeavenLeiBlu

*exhales*

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

damn you mother lovers.. im gone for 15 mins and ya’ll planning a party without lil ol me..fuck you guys!

6 06 2008
Al From Bay Shore

stuffblackpeoplehate,

C’mon dude. Those are kids (18 – 22). I sounds like you are asking them to forsake the things that make life fun and reckless simply because they are members of a Black Greek organization (BGO). I used to think that the BGO had to be more attenuated to black community service and development but I have to be honest with my own youthful sins and whatnot. I am just uncomfortable with the idea of placing such demands on kids because I feel like I am robbing them of their youth and trying to replace it with a committment to political identity.

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

Whats this i hear of a ST and NOTBLOnDE boob fight….i’ll be the bookie lplace your bets..

6 06 2008
brandnew

“Do you even have a clitoris or was it chopped off by the village elder with a rusty knife? Do share. Thanks.”

ooooo- too far my friend. FGM is not something to taunt someone about…
Respec’!

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

What I love is this infamous boobfight is being planned with neither participants knowlege.

6 06 2008
Q

“stomping” ???? u know not of what u mock!…I believe it’s called stepping but then again many moons ago maybe it was referred to as stomping lol I don’t know. I agree with this post though & I especially hate their sense of entitlement. I’d really like for the vast majority of black greeks to get over themselves.

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

Perhaps I’m in a violent mood, I haven’t seen any boxing in a while. But no, I hang out with too many boys and will always go back to imaginary ass-kicking contests. Come on, don’t act like Celebrity Death-Match didn’t used to be the shit. Just think of yourself as a SBPH celebrity.

i miss that show..

6 06 2008
Knatural

“Philly is all brown and gray…that really drab, depressing gray. Id rather party in West Virginia!” Damn. Every time I think of WV, I think of that movie Deliverance. *shudders*
Yeah, Muse, that was harsh. The lines may be thin and drawn in sand, but damn. Oh well, we all say fucked up stuff.

6 06 2008
I know her

OMG! i so know her in that pic- do you? if so hilarious..of not just a random pic dude?? lol

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

Activities at the SBPH 1st Reunion!

1.Sister T vs NotBlonde boob fight in kiddie pool of chocolate pudding(judges Shabooty and Tom Harkin)
2. Somali get her 1st porkchop from Yonnie for the 1st time since she was rescued from the native medicien man after chopping of her clit with a rusy knief
3.Shots for everyone even the light weights
4. Chris does a short Pow-Pow with his brother
5.Sex 101 with Knat,Esquire, Merri Lee, Muse and Mrs. Epps
6.Terrorize the white Hilary voter neighbors by putting obama stickers all over their door and leave a steaming pile of flaming dog shit on their stoops, ring the doorbell and run
7.Drink some more
8. Chicken eating contest w/ Chicken Jon, Chris, Angry, AF
9. Drink more
10. Drink More!!!

and so on so forth…:-)

6 06 2008
I know her

OOH and dude everything in here is so false, even white folks know more about the existence and benefit of our organizations..c’mon man if this is more than entertainment then do the research unless your lack of in-depth research was done intentionally to entertain then good job..cause i died laughing then resurrected and laughed out loud again!

kudos and OoooooO-OOP to my Sorors…lets go not do anything at out fake engineering jobs! LOL..see ya @ conference!

;-0

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Yep, told you all the binge drinkign parties at SBPH High were going to be hosted by Mrs. Epps. She obviously knows how to plan. However I think Landon and Chris wanted to be judges in the boobyfight. Angry is going to be so mad he missed it.

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

well thats just a chicken scratch list of events not exactly in that order…:-) BUt I’ll work on it…we can set up a conference call hahah…

In my head i said that so serious…

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

I think Mrs. Epps expects everyone to pregame. I will come with a very small box of chocolate milk for Muse. I would like Landon to lead a short class in Kegel exercises and how to use male birth control.

6 06 2008
B4Prez

I know u like a taste of that “good water” every now n then MrsEpps, but I’m def drinking u under the table at the first reunion…(btw, how do we reunite when most of us have never met..oh well), and I seriously doubt any1 can “out chicken-eat” me!

U can call me a coon all day but I keep my Popeye’s debit card maxed out!

6 06 2008
Knatural

“You also forgot to schedule in at least twenty minutes of incredible awkwardness.”
FOR REAL!

6 06 2008
maya

glad im not headlining any of these….:)

6 06 2008
B4Prez

@KNatural:

If everyone is forced to take 2 shots at the door, or be barred from the festivities, something tells me that we will be able to cut down on that “awkward phase”.

6 06 2008
maya

though i will gladly play Sargent at arms at the door and fuck the creole chick up on site.

philly isn’t drab and grey…well, not all of it.

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

maya i ahvent penciled you in yet girl..you can rally up all the short girls that love tall men…haha

6 06 2008
maya

i’m not awkward, so i don’t need the shots. plus, maya + shots = misery later on.

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

ok scratch that Maya will be the Bouncer who hates her life like in the other blog…i kid i kid

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

any other ideas for the fiesta activities.. anyone anyone?

6 06 2008
Knatural

If we all meet, please no skeeee weeee-ing!

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Ooh you rally midget chics and then I’m going to call Rai and ST to come and kick all you guys in the shins.

6 06 2008
maya

Lmao, Knatural, what would be the provocation for a Skee Wee? LOL. This ain’t regionals.

I am not a midget – I’m 5’4″. And me and ST have already coordinated how we gon’ divide up all the mens.

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Also there needs to be a time where we can all throw jello at the trolls and push them into the pool. There should be more jello at parties anyway. Jello shots, jello fighting, everythings better with jello

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

OK if you stick to the 5’7″ and under I’m good. But I don’t know if I’m going to hold off calling you a midget after a couple jello shots.

6 06 2008

::Comes back in doing the chiquita banana boob shake::

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

yea no alpha beta charlie delta foxtrot blah blah code name 007 ish…lol

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

Ne-::Comes back in doing the chiquita banana boob shake::

dammn you..now i haved that song stuck in my head and a visual of you with a fruit hat and moraccas

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

mmm jello shots..yes please..

6 06 2008

“We arrre Phi beta stuff black people hate fuck yo couch kill all creole’s sigma!”

“Chuuuuuck NoorrrIS!”

6 06 2008
Ethel

Back in the days when the earth’s crust was still cooling and there weren’t any trees, I went to college in So. Cally. The Greek system there was Every Stereotype [negative or otherwise] That you Can Possibly Imagine, so I tended to avoid it. Or perhaps I was too busy working a pt job and going to school to worry about those ‘manditory’ secrety meetings, keggers, etc.

In any case, a young gentleman of the ‘dual spirits’ persuasion was so disgusted over the shallowness of the Greek Rush Season, he decided to dress in drag and join the Sorority Rush just to make a point. He actually got requests to join the Kappa Sorority [one of The Most Popular] before someone decided something was weird and called the Cops. He wasn’t charged with anything–I believe the police got a big kick over it–and Sororities were pretty pissed and kept insisting their ‘interviewing’ process addressed the pledge’s personality, not just their looks/money. Nice article in the school paper too.

Great book [although it addresses mostly white southern sororities]: Pledged The secrete life of sororities by A. Robbins. Interesting read.

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

have not haved…lol wtf is a haved..oye im trippin

6 06 2008

Hey hey no short people talk! I am 5’2″ 😉

6 06 2008
Knatural

My comment is awaiting moderation?!?!?!?!? Huh?

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

“We arrre Phi beta stuff black people hate fuck yo couch kill all creole’s sigma!”

oh hell yea im writing that down..

6 06 2008
maya

Call me a midget and see what happens – with or without the shot, lol. 🙂

And I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, at least 5’11.

6 06 2008

:: passes out drinks and fried chicken wings::

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

damn knatural, you Chris got you on the 7second delay b.c. of your potty mouth. haha.
Nè just leave the 6′ men alone and nobody need get hurt… 🙂

6 06 2008
B4Prez

MrsEpps: I see ur dodging the drinking contest! Feeling like I lightweight? I’m not talkin’ Cosmos n Martinis…I’m talkin grown man drinks…suthin to put a lil hair on ur chest! lol

6 06 2008
Angry IV

As soon as that one guy gave a shout out to his school, fraternity, and chapter, I knew others would follow.

I’m not hating on people that join – go ahead and do you. But for the girl that asked me one time, interrupting me from eating my pancakes at IHOP: “what’s the matter with you? you didn’t want to go Greek?”

1. she interrupted my pancakes
2. she interrupted my pancakes
3. she interrupted my pancakes
4. what’s “the matter” with me?? BITCH WHATS THE MATTER WITH YOU!?

ARRRGH I was so angry – like because I didn’t get my ass spanked like a child and recite a bunch of stuff and don’t wear all the same two colors everywhere and throw up signs and make secret handshakes somehow makes ME in the wrong??

Hell. No.

6 06 2008

I’m sorry willnotbetelevised I’m with maya I need at least 5’10”

6 06 2008
Knatural

Mrs. Epps has enough hair on her chest.

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Hey look the party started. Hey are any the angry black men here 6′ or up? Can they explain the minime phenomenom?

6 06 2008
B4Prez

Excuse the multiple typo’s in my last post…I think I had another drinking contest during lunch…

6 06 2008
PrettyPiscesGirl

Seriously…I appreciate y’all for providing my entertainment today…good times! Now if 4:30 would only hurry up…

6 06 2008

damn are ya’ll opposed to coming to california or vegas?

6 06 2008
B4Prez

Ooooooh! Is a fight between Knatural and MrsEpps the undercard bout at the party??

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

MrsEpps: I see ur dodging the drinking contest! Feeling like I lightweight? I’m not talkin’ Cosmos n Martinis…I’m talkin grown man drinks…suthin to put a lil hair on ur chest! lol

OH HELL NAWWW MANNNNNNN YA FEELINLUCKY PUNK??? DO YA!!! YOUR ON..btw im not a typical cosmo girl.. i love em but i like shots wether it be tequial or str8 up but hair on yo fuckin chest 151 rum nicccaaawww! no chaser thats for bitches… i never pass up a challenge..

6 06 2008
maya

I actually brought up this very topic to a male friend of mine the other day, and quoted many of u in my discussion. I told him how one of you had said that you’d think a tall man would appreciate being able to look your woman in the eye. He replied:

“Yeah. That’s what men are after. Eye contact.”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Listen there’s a difference between need, and admire. We all admire the tall dark chocolate. But I need a man at least 5’11” in order to do many coupled up things. I take less, but slow dancing is akward. I look like their mama. There’s too much scrunching going on. You can actually get along with 5’6″ a-ok. And damnit short nickels need love too. And not mother-love

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

KNat hjahahahha!@#$%^&*() girllllll i love you..

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

hahha willnotbetelevised…..”And damnit short nickels need love too. And not mother-love”
right….

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

question..is B4Prez male or female?

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

I assumed he was male.

6 06 2008
Knatural

I thought Dustin was a girl, soooo…..

6 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

Dang I been on here all day. Can you tell I handed in my resignation today…?

6 06 2008

right knat. I thought dustin was female too…WOMP WOMP!

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

haha i assumed Dustin was just a gay dude…but im guessing thaty B4 is a dude too i think..since he she said grown man drink lol

dammit this is why we need faces to names…

we all gonna show upo at Chris’ place wearing name tags..tjhose retarded HELLO MY NAME IS… ahhhhh

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

thaty? hmm new word for today..

6 06 2008
Merri Lee

^^^^^^ I’m wearing nametags as pasties

6 06 2008

I am running from prime minister theatre at the party. I don’t dew talkers!

6 06 2008
Miss Cocoa Luv

No I am not Greek. I went to school in the city of NY go BARUCH. And the only sororities were Hispanic and Asian. The Zetas did come eventually but with the exception of one of them, they were all bitches. Even the ugly ones :(. I did however want to be a dancer for the band at an HBCU. What are they called?

Anyway. Great post. Even funnier comments. Muse nearly killed me.

6 06 2008
Merri Lee

Baruch? Get any laughs at the Hillary Clinton rally?

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

hahah Prime is a STALKER?? hahaha i dont do stalkers…no thanks

6 06 2008
Knatural

“I’m wearing nametags as pasties” Eww.

6 06 2008

noooo Mrs. Epps. He types a lot so I know he talks a lot.

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

oh wait that says talkers not stalkers..opps ma bad…yea dude is long winded obviously…i read the 1st sentence of his post today and feel asleep when i continued to scroll down past his speech…we need one of these machiens foreal at the party..for the long winded ppls The Rap It Up Box off Dave Chappelle

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

dammit fell not feel ahahah

6 06 2008

I feel asleep sometimes too.

6 06 2008
Miss Cocoa Luv

I was actually sleep when she was there but I did scream out BOOOOO from my bed.

6 06 2008
Muse

Damn I kinda feel bad for Kimberley Torres. Greeks are some vicious creatures. This poor child is all over the damn net getting the third degree.

What’s funny is that tons of men would wife her up in a second because she’s very pretty.

6 06 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

“What’s funny is that tons of men would wife her up in a second because she’s very pretty.”

Cute face, yea. But I’ve got a sneaking suspicion that she’s a widebody. All the pictures I’ve seen are of her sitting on her ass, as fatties are wont to do.

6 06 2008
Merri Lee

I googled “Kimberly Torres” “AKA” out of curiosity. I only got a few hits, but she is being put on blast in the worst way. What’s worse is

-her case against StuffBlackGreeksLike has no merit. If she’s a ghost, WTF was she doing posing in ‘nalia?

-AKA will never enroll her as a real member.

@Chris/SBPH – you’re wrong. She’s in purple

6 06 2008
Muse

Damn Chris are you psychic because it appears that you are right…Amazing. Give me some lotto numbers thanks!

DAMN….

Let me stop.

6 06 2008
Muse

Her top half is like Halle Berry but the bottom half is like Monique from the Parkers. Geez.

6 06 2008
shabooty

yea she’s as big as a house but id still tittie fuck the shutters off that house

6 06 2008

I am convinced Kimberly creole has beef curtains…eh

6 06 2008
Merri Lee


Merri Lee (22:12:02) :

I googled “Kimberly Torres” “AKA” out of curiosity. I only got a few hits, but she is being put on blast in the worst way. What’s worse is

-her case against StuffBlackGreeksLike has no merit. If she’s a ghost, WTF was she doing posing in ‘nalia?

-AKA will never enroll her as a real member.

@Chris/SBPH – you’re wrong. She’s in purple

Dammit – I should have written “you’re right” This is what I get for trying to goof off and work at the same time.

6 06 2008
SOMALI QUEEN

This constitues as online harassment.

6 06 2008

awwww kim has thunder thighs, you guys are wrong.

6 06 2008

I sometimes constitue harassment on and offline. It’s the new black constitue’ingharassment.

6 06 2008
Merri Lee

BTW – 90% of the people hating on Kim Torres are hypocrites. Only active dues paid members get to wear letters. So if you’re rolling with your “soror” who hasn’t been active since you crossed, you really can’t hate on the ghost. You had to be a sophomore to pledge when I was in college. A mess of girls crossed AKA and dropped out of school. Since they aren’t in school or have degrees, they can never be active members (unless they plan to go back to school.) Plus they paid two damn years of school. They may as well have been fake assed ghosts like Kim.

6 06 2008
maya

i’ve met her before. she seems like a nice girl. i feel bad.

but yeah, folk are mad as all hell.

6 06 2008
Muse

Salami might have a good point. Then again folks could argue that they are exposing someone as a fraud. No one has posted anything about her that is a lie so what legal recourse does she have?

6 06 2008
maya

Muse –

Technically, the photos are fair game because she put them out into the web sphere. also, for someone to win a libel/slander suit, they have to prove both falsehood and malice.

Thank you very much JOUR400 – Media Law.

6 06 2008
Muse

Kim will still get ass, even moreso than before. Men don’t care as long as she has a vagina.

6 06 2008
SOMALI QUEEN

In a country where someone can spill hot coffee on themselves and sue for millions (& win)…don’t take anything lightly.

6 06 2008
Muse

WEll then Kim might have a case because I’ve read on other message boards about folks wanting to rip off her letters and act real niggerish.

6 06 2008
SOMALI QUEEN

I’m too damn nice — I shouldn’t have said anything. It would be pretty funny if someone here was contacted by the po po for inciting violence on the girl.

Hardy har har.

6 06 2008
maya

I hate how the law slices and dices things (slander/libel/harassment/hate speech) that are somewhat synonymous in everyday speech.

6 06 2008
shabooty

apparently the girl emailed that blog lol already saying legal recourse type shit lol…
=p
they posted her email.

6 06 2008
maya

I wish a mothersucker would try to snatch my letters. Futhermore, Somali – I’m sure she would have a case for inciting violence even without this site – from my knowledge, she’s received threats directly. Sad.

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

lol Kim…got them hamhocks smothered in gravy…not hating but who ever said pink and green go together they are fucking up my favorite color by wearing it with green..gag..looks like an easter egg basket…she reminds me of that girl mouse on American Tale: Fievel Goes West…haha let me stop..

6 06 2008
Merri Lee

I’m starting to wonder if she knew she was a ghost. At Dillard, they were pledging Kappas. They had them fill out paperwork, pay money, hazed ’em, etc. Problem – the chapter had been suspended, the pledges didn’t know it, the big bros pocketed the money, and most of them (big bros) had been formally kicked out of the frat for hazing.

6 06 2008
Sister Toldja

I have no comment other than how in the HELL is it possible that Kimberly Torres is a size 6 up top and a size 20 on the bottom. I NEED ANSWERS!!!!!!!!

6 06 2008
Muse

I’m sure Kim is trying to figure out plan of action. This situation is all her fault. Lying for so long points to her credibility as a person. Sadly she will probably have to lay low for a very long time. In fact I would move out of DC since there is a large Greek population.

6 06 2008
Yonnie3K

I thought that pic of her was photoshopped… No?

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

Somali-In a country where someone can spill hot coffee on themselves and sue for millions (& win)…don’t take anything lightly.

hell yea…and that a bitch…they have those caution lables for a reason…

6 06 2008
Muse

Nope. Some lame Alpha on another message board claim to have hit the booty and it was phat.

6 06 2008
Merri Lee

Muse – she will have to move to Maine, Wyoming, Montana or some place where there are no blacks at all.

6 06 2008
Muse

Yeah she’s fucked. Non Greeks will think she is a loser for pretending to be something that she is not and Black Greeks have pretty much made her an outcast. She might want to start kicking it with the Latinos and Whites.

6 06 2008
maya

OMG, you guys. She’s gonna have enough problems without us kicking dirt on the situation and talkin ’bout her booty and what some trife nigga said.

I hate men who run their mouths.

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

ahahhaha @ Merri Lee saying she has to move where there are no blacks.. wont be hard for her look at her she could pass for latina in my eyes… take her ass to Puerto Rico…

6 06 2008
Muse

Or she can hang out with the Creoles LOL

6 06 2008
SOMALI QUEEN

Chris bans Creole Beauty for being generally offensive but he lets others harass some poor girl? She didn’t kill, rape, maim, or abuse anyone. So she pretending to be part of a dumb sorority — does it really need to generate that much anomosity?

IT’s funny what cases black pple will come together and decide to be offended about.

6 06 2008

with that body shape she would fit right in if she were to move to mexico

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

hahahah@ hang out with the Creoles and start speaking creole and eat some crawfish and gumbo….mmm Shrimp Gumbo yes please!!

6 06 2008
Muse

Salami no one is harassing Kimmy T. We are having a discussion regarding her fradulent behavior.

6 06 2008
SOMALI QUEEN

Moose, care to explain how u came up with Salami? U hungry big girl?

6 06 2008
Muse

Big girl..not exactly. I’m actually within a healthy weight range for my height but I am kind of hungry right now. Everytime I see your name I get hunger pains.

You never answered my previous question. What’s up with that Jam? I thought we were e-friends.

6 06 2008

somali…bali… sa…lami..fee fi…salami…somali

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

Somali-Chris bans Creole Beauty for being generally offensive but he lets others harass some poor girl? She didn’t kill, rape, maim, or abuse anyone. So she pretending to be part of a dumb sorority — does it really need to generate that much anomosity?

personally i could careless what she did…im not a Greek anyways…i just commented on her lower 1/2 if you call that “harassment” then damn i harrass a shit load of ppl hahaha

plus this is a blog its all most in fun and games..its that fucking net who cares.. Creole Booty got banned because she chose to be childish and ignorant with her comments and no one was having it..so when you come up with a handful of ppl to complain about our comments maybe we will get banned too..until then has Chris says Take it..no one forces anyone to read what they have to say you just choose to right? just my opinion..blow up on me if you want wont be the 1st time or the last..

6 06 2008
SOMALI QUEEN

I sincerely apologize for having a life and not keeping up with every single comment. What was ur question?

6 06 2008
Muse

Did the village elder slice off your clitoris with a clean or rusty knife?

6 06 2008
SOMALI QUEEN

Mrs Epps,

First of all I could really care less about anything you guys are doing. However, I’ve read too many news pieces of dumb ass people taking words on a screen seriously and hurting people. This is just the net — but the girls picutes, info, school, email, facebook are all listed. Anyone nut job who think’s they have a right to be offended knows where she is.

It might seem like a harmless joke —- but I’ve seen pple hurt over less.

6 06 2008
Muse

Serious question btw.

6 06 2008
maya

How is it SQ winds up antagonizing everyone with her comments. LOL.

6 06 2008
SOMALI QUEEN

Moose, how is that relevant to anything? I’ve said earlier I don’t engage in convos that have to do with sex/private parts. That’s crass.

6 06 2008
Muse

Well let’s discuss the merits of Female Circumcision. We can turn this conversation into an academic debate if you like. It won’t be sexual at all. I’m thinking you might have had the infibulation with excision which is common in Somalia.

6 06 2008
SOMALI QUEEN

Moose, darling, there are ways to help people like you. You’re one step away from being a pedophile.

6 06 2008
Muse

Did they steal your happy spot Somali?

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

Somali-First of all I could really care less about anything you guys are doing. However, I’ve read too many news pieces of dumb ass people taking words on a screen seriously and hurting people. This is just the net — but the girls picutes, info, school, email, facebook are all listed. Anyone nut job who think’s they have a right to be offended knows where she is.

It might seem like a harmless joke —- but I’ve seen pple hurt over less

I can dig it…really i understand..if I were Kim I would be pissed that all my shit is on the net on blast.. but she kinda brang it apoun herself when she decided to post the pics on the net…as for her facebook its it up to her to secure her shit right its called privacy options! But that is just me…i feel for the girl and i wish her good luck…and yes i totally agree that ppl get hurt over less shit…personally soro’s are just like cults sorry to anyone who is in one..thats just me…regardless she would have been found out eventually right?

6 06 2008
Merri Lee

SQ – Unlike the MySpace suicide hoax, what people are saying about her are true. Sure, people are mean, nasty, but it’s true. If “Hoe to Be a Player” were a true story, Bill Bellamy would be on blast. There would be a “Don’t Date This Negro he Cheats” page on Facebook, pics of his dirty draws would be texted all over the joint, etc.

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

Somali-Moose, darling, there are ways to help people like you. You’re one step away from being a pedophile.

LMAOO..i gotta use that line on the cat callers when i walk down the street foreal thjats too funny…

Muse-Did they steal your happy spot Somali?

No words girl no words.. lol smh…but i trully feel sorry for the women who actually had this happen to them…thats gotta suck majoooorrr ass!

6 06 2008
maya

Somali, question – for better of for worse, convos on this blog sometimes go back to sexy/body function/body parts. I, personally, find body function convos (and some sexual discussion) crass and gross, so I don’t participate in them. However, I know it’s something that commenters here do, so I chalk it and participate in convo again when it’s another subject. But if you hate it THAT MUCH…why do you blog here? Or, perhaps more to the point, why do you reprimand those who do, when at this point its more than obvious that it’ll just start another fight or make you sound preachy?

6 06 2008
SOMALI QUEEN

I comment on anything I don’t agree with — to let pple know that not everyone finds it okay. I kind feel it’s my responsibility to uphold the loose morals of this stie.

Somali Queen — Moral Police Force of One.

6 06 2008
maya

Haha, but why do you feel like it’s your responsibility? Are you the patron saint of chastity?

6 06 2008
Muse

It’s a freaking website!!!!!!Go mentor a kid or do community service. Who gives a poop about what is said on a BLOG. My goodness.

6 06 2008

For you (somali queen) to have an issue with the pedophile talk and all of the rest of the things that are said here, why do you read the comments?

6 06 2008
maya

Moreover, could you comment on something you DO like? Good gravy; it’s like you’re such a drag because all you do is lament.

6 06 2008
SOMALI QUEEN

Not my fault. I have photographic memory. One glance at a paragraph and it’s stored in my head.

I don’t read it.

One day all of you will thank me for teaching you social manners.

6 06 2008

—————-NEWSFLASH—————–

While I admire you for trying to make “uphold the loose morals”, hun you aren’t making 1 bit of difference on this website.

6 06 2008
Muse

I wouldn’t be surprsied if Somali sucks dick for Canjeero and tea.

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

Somali-I comment on anything I don’t agree with — to let pple know that not everyone finds it okay. I kind feel it’s my responsibility to uphold the loose morals of this stie.

but why continue to do that if already know the response you will get from ppl on here? We are all grown up’s here…we dont need mommy telling us what is not appropriate…because if it were inappropriate i think the”abusers” would be banned right?

Moral Police Force of ONe hahhaha thats a good one

6 06 2008
maya

Thanks for leading the wayward flock…(?)

Hahahaha

6 06 2008
maya

Somali,

Can you tell us more about yourself? I’m intrigued. What do you do? Where do you live? How old are you?

6 06 2008
Merri Lee

Maybe we should all go here http://properfacebooketiquette.blogspot.com/

6 06 2008
Merri Lee

WHERE IS SHABOOTY???

6 06 2008
SOMALI QUEEN

Hmmm, so you can harass me like that poor girl? Don’t think so.

Let me say though – I’m in nursing. I feel like since I contribute to society by saving ur lives day in and out…I have free pass in being honest (which you might equate with being a ‘bitch).

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

Social Manners…umm i got plenty of good social manners..and guess what that includes me saying fuck, bitch, cunt, asshole, bastard, dick and pussy…maybe you just have to realize not everyone is like you…thank god.. no offense of course hah..but if you havent noticed we enjoy each others company..buzz off nosey bee and let us spit vulgar sentences at each other in peace and laugh at one another damn…

6 06 2008
Muse

Somali are you going to join the fight against female circumcision as a nurse?

6 06 2008
maya

I was actually being sincere. And it’d be great if you attribute my sentiments/statements correctly because this your 2nd faux pas today – I, being a member of the sorority that Kim was claiming – said to the group in previous post that folk should fall back from bashing.

I don’t have a problem with honesty at all – I’m a very honest person myself. Honesty is not bitchyness. But honesty should be supplemented with tact, and that’s what you seem to lack in your delivery.

And somehow, I guessed you were in nursing.

6 06 2008
SOMALI QUEEN

Mmm, Mrs. Epps, that’s a 180 attitude change. Something happen you wanna tell us about?

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

Harass you? pft.. get your head out the clouds girl..i thought about nursing but i rather own a porn company..

6 06 2008

LMAO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH OWIUQEP9Ujflsoduifoepurnlkh v90210 @ buzz off nosey bee. That is so cute mrs. epps

6 06 2008
SOMALI QUEEN

‘What do u mean you guessed I was in nursing’? Did I accidently put up a pic of me wearing my scrubs or what?

6 06 2008
maya

I meant exactly what I said. I don’t speak in euphemisms. That wasn’t a coded sentence, nor was it an attempt to disrespect you. Relax.

6 06 2008
SOMALI QUEEN

Mrs. Epps, I don’t know if your PMSing, got into a fight with your husband, or was fired from your job for alternatingly surfing SBPH & porn sites…however, you don’t have to take it out on me.

Chill girl.

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

Somali you amuse me thats what happened….it all started when i was 20 yrs old and i came across a blog one day that what cool as shit talking about shit that happens in my daily life…the commenters are cool peoples until one day a dark dark cloud came over the blog named Somali Queen and ruined my day by trying to correct everyone by being the “Hollier than thou Queen” sigh.. the end.

6 06 2008

::casketededededdd::

6 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

umm noo Somali girlllll PMSING, fight with my hubby, lost my job never that.. im just speaking.. and im not even angry.. i am chill im just talking to you 🙂

6 06 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

“I comment on anything I don’t agree with — to let pple know that not everyone finds it okay. I kind feel it’s my responsibility to uphold the loose morals of this stie.”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Banned.

6 06 2008
maya

Yipes…

7 06 2008
Muse

Did Chris really ban Salami?

Damn well at least we know that this blog isn’t a Democracy.

7 06 2008
nelo

i love the post! Frat guys can be so pretentious.

7 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

I would be so happy if that refugee was banned. She was so annoying the past couple of posts. I liked it better when she showed up for her five minute sour lemonade (no sugar) break to comment and then went away. The fact that she now goes home and somehow her and her 7 cats got the internets and shes on all the time, now shes just a storm cloud raining on our cooty parade.

7 06 2008
shabooty

“@ SOMALI QUEEN (23:14:17) :
Hmmm, so you can harass me like that poor girl? Don’t think so.
Let me say though – I’m in nursing. I feel like since I contribute to society by saving ur lives day in and out…I have free pass in being honest (which you might equate with being a ‘bitch).”

You know what my pickup line to nurses is?
-I can’t wait til one day to get old, so you can wipe my ass!
🙂

7 06 2008
Choco_Gnome

o the drama and saga that occurs in the comment section of this site! chris needs his own accompanying forum board to go along with his blog. But…then again…that’ll probably just open doors to more commentors like creole and somali queen

7 06 2008
ninabrown

there’s some differences in the lingo but its all the same universal, my brother is a kappa( he and i are both tre clubs!) and pledged at an HBCU and he referred to ghost members as members of his frat that just never came around for one reason or another after they crossed. But then again nonmembers who pose as members is another story… that being said i read some comments that said members who aren’t financial can’t wear ‘nalia, while i understand the logic behind it, i find it hella hard to police someone who knows the intricacies of their organization especially if they worked hard for it

7 06 2008
ninabrown

also this post is nothing more than a long line of disagreement between those who belong to a BGLO and those who don’t (GDI’s). Since i belong to an organization and plenty of others such as myself were GDI’s before we became greek it’s just simply a matter of understanding why others want to be apart of an organization and why some don’t. It can be called ignorance for lack of better words cause the stigma with joinin a frat or sorority is considered “buying friends” which is bs. Also with the question of all the secrecy and exclusivity, it comes with instilling pride in each organization cause while we are all fundamentally the same each BGLO does have it’s differences

7 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

Thanks Chris for banning non clit having Somali she was bout to get an e-ass whooping if she continued…messing up my buzz dammit..make to my life now adios!

lol@ cooty parade classic

7 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

lol back not make..wtf was i typing shit…sometimes i say things in my mind and type some other shit..opps…maybe its hand tourettes…i dunno everyone have a good night! and def need to throw a party and invite creole, somali, and grimm so we can force feed them cheeseburgers and chilli cheese fries bwhahahah!!! ciao

7 06 2008
ninasimone

“Vaginas do bleed every 27-30 days.”

I don’t trust anything that bleeds for five days and doesn’t die.

my post has not a thing to do with bglos ( agree with the post by the way)…but i just have to say that regular, normal vaginas dont BLEED…they SHED! Very big difference….bleeding for 5 dies would result in hypovolemic shock—who here goes in to shock every month ( all though it may feel like it lol)…you simply shed the lining of the uterus that is no longer needed to support the possible implantation of a fertilized egg…..yes i know its lame to post this bio lesson…but vaginas dont bleed for 5-to -7 days lol!!!

your characterization of the behavior of some of these people as akin to that of a sociopath is another reason why I propose marriage and to you to Angry IV…lets be one big happy family

7 06 2008
ninasimone

to = too

7 06 2008
Angela

I waffle on this issue. But what keeps me from joining a sorority is the knowledge that I need to accept myself and be happy as an individual rather than needing to feel that I “belong” by involvement in a social group. But what really gets my goat is the sense that EBPs won’t give me the time of day when we mingle because I didn’t go through the channels they did (Greek life, Boule, J&J, etc) to become successful or be seen as “shining examples” of black Americans. :eyeroll:

7 06 2008
www.thewhyblog.net

Frats are lame man..

7 06 2008
klysha

Wow reading SBGL makes me really really glad I never considered pledging. Getting all upset about stuff that in the grand scheme of things does not matter. It also makes me a little sad. All these otherwise intelligent black folks getting caught up in serving an organization??? what kind of a meaningless cause is that to get caught up in. Think of all the good that could be done with all the energy and money spent on uplifting a made up entity. And what in the world is the point of wasting energy learning random facts about a social club?

7 06 2008
NotBlonde

Dammit. I didn’t go to work today and now I’ve missed all the comments because I was hanging out with The Ex.

Very late comments:
Never wanted to join a sorority when I was younger and now that I’m in college, I have zero respect for guys in the Black frats at my school (all players and total dipshits who think that their shit don’t stink because they are in a frat, the Alphas being the worst). Black sorority girls are nice and fairly cool for the most part but I saw one of my friends nearly break up with her boyfriend because she wasn’t allowed to speak to him the entire time she was pledging. I had to convince him that she wasn’t cheating but I couldn’t say anything about her pledging either because I wasn’t sure if he was a plant to see if she had told anyone that she was pledging. Stupid nonsense.

Menstruating sucks but I’d really rather not have a penis.

Don’t ban Somali Queen. She’s a douche but not like Creole Bitch who was just a straight hater. Somali Queen is just annoying.

And thank you Chris for remembering my and ST’s boobs. I have a feeling that if we were to have a SBPH party, everyone would know who I was regardless of name tag purely because of the breasts. And I am totally down to have a boob fight with ST…even though I’m not quite sure how one would win…

7 06 2008
london

have always been intrigued by these greek thingamajigs…
we don’t have them over here as such…
we have the masons though – they are serious.. and powerful..
maybe that’s what the ‘greeks’ wanted to emulate when they were first formed…
they should have called themselves another trade name like the ‘carpenters’ maybe.. in my head that was really funny.. jesus was a carpenter wasn’t he? he could have been their symbol.. LOL!
which is the oldest greek group? which is the largest? which is the most powerful?
i am intrigued but not enough to go google it though.. so if someone knows this off the top of their heads…
anyhoo..
reading all of this over my morning coffee has made my morning..
chris.. please un ban somali queen.. bless her she loves the whuppin she gets that’s why she keeps coming back..

i think the sbph party should be here in merry england… all the very young-uns can drink at 18 in public here… just a suggestion…

7 06 2008
lisaturtle

Before I continue to read the numerous comments on this blog I have got to put my two cents in.

I will go on the record and say that I find GLOs pointless outside of the true networking value. Even though I can concede to that point, I have to say I don’t think the bullshit that a person goes through to join a GLO is worth any slight benefit they may get out of it.

All of the BGLO memebers leaving comments that I’ve read so far sound exactly like what I would expect from a BGLO member. You all sound brainwashed. Yes, brainwashed; this is the word I’m going to use. I have seen plenty of normal, nice, productive, independent individuals succumb to peer or family pressure and go Greek turn into some sort of robot spreading propaganda for whatever organization they have joined. My best friend has unfortunately become one of these things, I am trying to still love her.

Among the various things that irk me about them is hazing. I know the process isn’t the same for everyone but the idea of being continually disrespected in order to join some organization doesn’t appeal to me and it really shouldn’t appeal to anyone.

I just… Ugh. And as a personal note, just because someone happens to like pink and green in a combo doesn’t mean they desperately want to pledge AKA. If I were to pledge a sorority that would certainly never be the one… I like being in my mother’s good graces, thank you.

Please check out this post from the blacksnob relating to this topic:
http://blacksnob.blogspot.com/2008/04/it-was-all-greek-to-me.html

7 06 2008
lisaturtle

@Landon

Hell pledging was the easiest part. What’s a little wood? A little running…

If by wood you mean paddling, then I feel sorry that you don’t see what’s wrong with letting someone abuse you.

7 06 2008
lisaturtle

OMG, I need to stop reading these comments. Landon’s brainwashing is really unsettling.

7 06 2008
Sue

Oh when i was a yung-un in college…………….

I was initially intrigued by Greeks and seriously considered joining so I asked around, I wanted to know someone else’s experience and I got an earful. The stuff that was said to me was earily similar to the pledging episode in “A Different World”. This was not explained to me with any kind of bitterness, mind you, just very matter-of-fact but it sounded really juvenile. Later when I asked someone why they joined, I got the same spiel about networking and sisterhood and all that. So let me get this straight. You pay a large amount of money to be basically humiliated and treated like shit just to see if you can take it and IF they like you enough, they let you in. I have a name for that……..HIGH SCHOOL! I’m done.

7 06 2008
Angry IV

It’s one of those “thats the way we’ve always done it” things. A majority of the fraternities have outwardly stated that all hazing is illegal and that if reported they’ll punish chapters, etc. etc. So what did most organizations at colleges do?

“Oh well it’s not hazing, that’s illegal. But there is a process to become a member.” – local GO member.

A process? So just change the word, and that makes it okay?

I mean like I said – I’m not hating or anything, do what you do with you and your crew, but can someone explain this to me? Did anyone join here and their chapter touted academics and excellence in society and not “giving wood”?

7 06 2008
Angry IV

Oh and to all DC-MD-VA SBPH readers, when/where is our 4th of July weekend party?

7 06 2008
shabooty

lol at when the 4th of july party would be….it’d be on 4th of july. 🙂
jk.
sorry dont mean to be ‘dick-y’

party at chris’ azn neighbor’s apt. 🙂

7 06 2008
Sister Toldja

Haha! I saw a hideous foot faced Asian woman with her good-looking Black baby father (no rings, what a shame) and baby and thought of your neighbor.

7 06 2008
NotBlonde

Oh my god, I am soooo using foot faced in conversation today.

7 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

Damn ST i saw a foot faced asian woman today when we went to the carryout..shm…and she happened to be with a brotha too..i was like damn damn damn james damn! but whatever floats your boat.. soem dudes nto just black dudes like pasty flat faces…

7 06 2008
maya

To Angry & Lisa:

I’m not going to speak for all BGLOs or their members, but I will say that I found Landon’s comments just as unsettling as the both of you probably did. I, personally, think this whole idea of “having a process” has been completely misconstrued by current members of BLGOs, and in many ways it has been reduced to nothing more that being disrespected and/or physically hazed. In the earlier days, when pledging was open, it was a completely different experience. There are some pretty cool pictures you can check out, too, of earlier members lined up before they crossed. I say all this to say that people who get hype about paddling and how many strokes they can take, etc., have surely missed the boat – and it’s evident – the #1 rule of any “process” is discretion. So, once pledging took on this hazing element that it has in many instances today, it took on an even darker form. “Pledging” and “having a process” are far from its hayday when these orgs. were formed. It seems to me that people are trying to outdo each other just to say they proved something; which says more to me about the mentality of certain members than the concepts and foundations of BGLOs themselves.

All this being said, I’m not saying any of this to convince you. I just don’t like how paddle-happy comments make it seem like Greeks are reckless, etc. Like I said earlier, I hate Super Greeks. In fact, I try to avoid Greek men ’cause once they find out you’re in BGLO that’s ALL THEY FUCKING WANT TO TALK ABOUT, LOL. I, personally, do not believe Greek life is for everyone, which is perfectly fine. Not do I sanction disrespect of any kind from anyone under and circumstance. Furthermore, I think it’s very important to have a clear self-image BEFORE you join ANY organization, as you said Lisa because I see more and more instances of it turning into people forming their personalities around it. Not cool at all.

7 06 2008
Knatural

Wow! Somali Queen is banned. Poor Canadians…

7 06 2008
Angry IV

I just read through all this shit…why was willnotbetelevised trying to say Landon vs. Angry IV in a fight? I’m just confused…..I don’t think I had any beef with Landon, nor anyone else here.

Well except willnotbetelevised. Thou hast been addest to my list of the shits.

7 06 2008
Angry IV

Wait – Somali Queen got banned?

8 06 2008
lisaturtle

So I just read Maya’s comments. She and I are on the same page. Many of the older generation of women in my family are Delta’s and Eastern Stars, as a youngster I figured I go to Xavier University and I’d be a Delta… Neither of these things turned out to be at all what I wanted. I agree that what BGLOs once stood for was wonderful but I just don’t see it in this day and age. *Sigh* More BGLO members should be like Maya.

8 06 2008
willnotbetelevised

You love me angry, you know it. Nah I was doing matchups for SBPH celebrity deathmatch and I couldn’t remember any guy besides you. (and chris but i don’t think he could participate, wouldn’t he have to be judge, or take on all comers or something?) and I’m not setting up a deathmatch with crazyass landon and any chic, he wants a drink bought for him he would probably punch a chic in the nipples, and then someone would shank him. This, of course, is all in my warped warped imagination. And you are all in claymation.

8 06 2008
maya

Awww, thanks Lisa. Yeah, in the right moment I can Skee Wee it with the best of ’em, but it’s not supposed to become who you are by any means nor encroach on your social life to the point that you’re ENTIRE network is full of Greeks. And, come to find out, BGLO life is really all about location – bottom line, some chapters are just better than others for a variety of reasons: membership, activities, etc. I’ve found that for a lot of people who are interested, they have been swayed or persuaded in one way or another by the representation they have on their campuses. Damn shame.

8 06 2008
Funkyblackchick

The perp AKA got her ‘information’ from somewhere….what she really needs to do is ‘out’ the crew who supposedly gave it to her. End of story.

8 06 2008
Angry IV

willnotbetelevised: okay…you’re good to go again.

maya: damn shame indeed

funkyblackchick: No, what she needs to do is continue doing whatever the fuck she wants. Nowhere in the US Constitution, Federal, or State Laws does it say she can’t raise her pinky for photos for any reason. I’ll throw up two frat signs at once, and I don’t care if there’s fraternity members, sorority members, little kids, grandmas, bill collectors, and you know why? ‘Cuz I don’t give a fuuouououooouauauauuuuuuck!!

8 06 2008
lisaturtle

Angry IV is dat dude!

8 06 2008
rai

lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! niggas are maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad. ut yeah, all in all, i agree. just another way for “Educated” black folks to think they “belong” to some “exclusive” “organization”. . . and NO, just because i am darkskin and in college doesn’t mean I am a delta. . . move around with that simple shyt. and for all the people that say things like “well it is a social network that u can carry u out in the corporate world”. . . i have YET to meet a chick that met a CEO that was a delta or an aka, and because she was a delta/aka, she automatically got the job. fawk outta here, it has little (very little) use outside of college. okay, so u get a tshirt, a key chain, & one of little license plate things. lol still not convinced to let some simple bytch talk sideways to me. but then again, AKAs were supposed to be the cute lightskin ones. . . whenever i see a chick anything past 30 that has the goddamn AKA tag on her champagne colored SUV, she usually has “let herself go”. . . goddamnit I hate PG county (more specifically largo/upper marlboro/mitchelville/bowie). lol

and as far as the chick in the picture, lol shyt, she can put up her pinky if she wants, maybe is just a classy lady drinking tea. let me stop before someone shyts bricks. . . either way, she looks just as dumb as anyone else who has ever taken a picture like that. . .

and ummm stuffblackpeoplehate (13:37:59) :

“PS. It is called stepping not stomp dancing (stomp dancing is clearly a few different types of dance none of which are associated with Black Greek Letter Organizations)”

I know that most people insist on calling it ’stepping’, but I refuse to do this because it’s inaccurate. I don’t call stomp dancing ’stepping’ for the name reason I don’t call hookers ‘ladies of the evening.’

DEAD!!!! lol

8 06 2008
Mrs.Epps

funkyblackchick: No, what she needs to do is continue doing whatever the fuck she wants. Nowhere in the US Constitution, Federal, or State Laws does it say she can’t raise her pinky for photos for any reason. I’ll throw up two frat signs at once, and I don’t care if there’s fraternity members, sorority members, little kids, grandmas, bill collectors, and you know why? ‘Cuz I don’t give a fuuouououooouauauauuuuuuck!!

fucking right man…there are things worse ppl perp than being in a freakin”clique”.

8 06 2008
Tjack

I too agree with the whole sorority/frat thing. I mean, it seems like you have to do anything short of dying to get in just to be able to network and do charity work. I told my friend who is a Delta, that she was brainwashed, I thought she was gonna kill me.

8 06 2008
Aisha

I never understood the whole concept of BGLOs save to have something apart from white sororities and fraternities. I never understood the concept of “Greek Life” either.

Greeks cavorted in a life of debauchery and decadence…is that what they’re promoting? Oh…we wouldn’t know, because they’re so fucking secretive about it all, and for what? It’s not like you guys are holding the secret of the universe at the end of the hazing or whatever else you decide to make your pledges do to get in.

What’s funny is the BGLOs who are upset about this. You don’t need any organization to feel like you’re helping the community. This blog is full of Chris’ opinions, and most of us who read this blog happen to agree with him. Does that make it fact? No. So shut the fuck up and go stomp a yard somewhere. Sheesh.

8 06 2008
Angry IV

@Aisha: in the event that GOs do hold the secret of the universe at the end of the hazing, let me know, because I’ll be joining to that I can take that knowledge and then proceed to rule that respective universe with an Iron Fist.

8 06 2008
Aisha

@Angry IV

Word up. I’m going go undercover and find the big secret about “Greek Life”. Because I honestly don’t see any real point to being in a frat or soror after college. I mean, that kind of shit holds no real weight outside of America…you know…in the -real- world.

8 06 2008
G-mo

I totally here you on the GOs. I never wanted to pledge a frat when I was in college. Now, I have two brothers who are in the same black frat and it’s amazing how much their social networks have opened up. They live in a completely different city and came to visit me here in SF and I was shocked that they ran into two different people, both whom they knew through frats. On the other friggin’ side of the country. Living out here, I never run into *anyone* I know when I’m out and about. So, I’m a believer in the networker aspect of it, but that’s it.

8 06 2008
G-mo

I totally hear you on the GOs. I never wanted to pledge a frat when I was in college. Now, I have two brothers who are in the same black frat and it’s amazing how much their social networks have opened up. They live in a completely different city and came to visit me here in SF and I was shocked that they ran into two different people, both whom they knew through frats– on the other friggin’ side of the country. Living out here, I never run into *anyone* I know when I’m out and about. So, I’m a believer in the networker aspect of it, but that’s it.

8 06 2008
Funkyblackchick

I rarely go back & forth with GDI’s but it never ceases to amaze me on how/why would it matter to someone who has no desire to be affliated with another group, why someone else would be.

I’ve never heard a member of a BGLO disrespect someone’s reason not to pledge. If it’s not your cup of tea, then it’s not. I know my reasons behind pledging and yes, I’m a proud and active member of my organization, but if I meet someone who happens not to be a member I have no right to discredit their reasoning on why they’re not.

Also, as far as someone ‘perping’, why in the world would you want to walk around pretending to be something you’re not?? Sure, go ahead and throw up a pinky finger or rock some greek letters, but what exactly does that say about you and your psychological/mental state? Her issues go way beyond throwing parties, wearing para., and throwing up her pinky finger.

8 06 2008
rai

“I’ve never heard a member of a BGLO disrespect someone’s reason not to pledge.”

must be nice. . . because I def have. i’ve heard everything from “he/she probably wouldn’t make it/cross” to “[insert random frat/sorority] wouldn’t accept him/her anyway”

9 06 2008
lisaturtle

@Rai…. Uppity Negroes in P.G. County do the most don’t they?

9 06 2008
lisaturtle

@G-Mo… Get some friends. I can’t go anywhere in America it seems without running into somebody I know and I am certainly not in a Sorority.

9 06 2008
lisaturtle

@FunkyBlackChick…

You know you my girl but for every one BGLO person I’ve come across with your attitude I’ve come across 30 with the “YOU’RE JUST JEALOUS BECAUSE YOU DON’T HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO BE IN *INSERT ORGANIZATION*. BLAH BLAH BLAH *INSERT PROPAGANDA* EVERYONE IS JEALOUS OF ME. BLAH BLAH BLAH. I’M POMPOUS AND I TAKE MYSELF WAY TO SERIOUSLY.”

9 06 2008
Funkyblackchick

@lisaturtle

there’s always going to be rotten apples in every bunch….unfortunately certain attitudes will always be prevalent in all groups/organizations/affliations..etc..etc…doesn’t matter if it’s a bglo, a political party…affluent neighborhoods…etc..

9 06 2008
SoulMariposa

…love the blog, by the way….

however, i’m not sure what it is about the anonymity of the internet that makes people feel like they can spout off any bullshyt their idle little minds come up with. as i am also avoiding work and reading (and thoroughly enjoying) the comments section, i find myself pretty damn annoyed by the response to Somali_Queen. what’s so funny about this is that many of the folks being so disrespectful to her would call themselves african-american but have so little respect for the continent (and obviously the women) that they would refuse to learn more about the practice before using it to insult an african woman with some of the more ignorant statements i’ve heard on the issue. that says alot given that i deal with this shyt everyday. i’m an anti-fgc activist.

you all (meaning those who chose to comment) obviously know so little about fgc (i refuse to call it fgm… make it your hw to learn why). i come from an african culture where it is practiced. its actually an appropriate topic for this posting. like sororities, the communities of women (yes, women…. African women actually have minds and thoughts of their own) that lead and have practiced this for generations are also secret societies. like sororities, these women are often very proud of their affiliation to their secret societies although the practices that initiated them are often damaging to their bodies and spirits. and, quiet as its kept, women who have been cut still can have orgasms that are not limited to vaginal orgasms. that myth speaks to the ignorance the west has about female sexuality more than any testimony of women who have actually experienced fgc. like sororities, many of the initiation practices are harmful and can result in death. participation in these practices does not make the women stupid but means that they have made a decision based on their cultural legacies that are important to them. fgc does need to end but, based on the ign’ant ass comments i’ve just read we won’t be able to count on solidarity from some of the folks in here.

9 06 2008
tweets972

AWESOME POST! I grew up in a family of AKAs so I thought it was only natural for me to pledge but I couldn’t go through with it b/c of everything you described in your post, especially the ass kissing. I have too much pride for that 😉

9 06 2008
d. danger

wow yall sound extremely salty about BGLOs… its like ur mad you were never invited or made the decision to show interest in joining… by all means, this is not something for everyone (and i can say that as a proud member of Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity Inc.) but dont sit here and act like BLACK GREEK LETTER ORGANIZATIONS (not GOs) do nothing for the community and race as a whole. Yes, in any situation there are going to be people that misrepresent what we are about, and yes there are alot of things we exclude from public knowledge, but these phrases and stuff we use are all exclusive to the culture… hell, i knew tons of these phrases all my life just from having tons of black greeks in my family, and having friends whole pledged or were already members in college. Alot of y’all all have pre-conceived notions of greek life stemming from what you’ve seen on TV, heard in the news, and heard around campus and from friends and others.

If some of yall took this ass backwards way of judging a whole collective of people based on the actions portrayed in the media, news, and from very limited and biased encounters and applied it to your own race, group of friends, family, or whatever you associate yourself with… you wouldn’t feel too hot.

In short, stereotyping and having a biased towards something you know very little about is a pretty shitty way to live… infact i’ll name a short list of well-known figures in history who thought this way… see if you can spot any similarities:

1. Adolf Hitler
2. Strom Thurmond
3. Saddam Hussein
4. Bill O’Reilly
5. Don Imus

Some of the very people you look up to and have made great strides in science, politics, entertainment, medicine, sports, so on and so forth have been or are members of BGLOs.

So do your homework before you decide to shit on something you know nothing about, Junior.

9 06 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

There’s something almost poetic about being called ‘Junior’ by a frat boy that calls himself ‘D. Danger’ and has a website that looks like an acid trip.

Exactly where is all this community service and benefit to La Raza Negra anyway? You’ve got to be the 10th Greek to mention it on this post. My line of work brings me into contact with over 60 non-profits and community organizations, and I have yet to see a Greek Org on a revolving donor or volunteer list.

9 06 2008
d. danger

look scooter… don’t get an attitude with me cuz i have an actual site and not just a blog… are you seriously stooping to childish insults in the face of someone putting you in your place?

and whats even worse is that im probably younger than you! time to grow up, champ.

now listen, small time, just because your own limited spectrum of exposure to the black community is refraining you from getting the pleasure and experience of working with BGLOs doesnt mean it flat out doesnt happen. My own chapter does numerous community service events, mostly fund raising. if you can pull yourself away from your little blog and check out the BGLO official websites you’d see just what we’re involved in.

for instance:

http://www.pbs1914.org/

take a peek and what WE do.

and btw thanks for the hits!

9 06 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

“look scooter… don’t get an attitude with me cuz i have an actual site and not just a blog…”

Scooter. God almighty that was funny. Anyway, why would I have an attitude? My tiny little blog, which I spend less than 10 minutes a day writing in my spare time, has double the page rank of your ‘actual’ site. I can only imagine how awful it feels to try 10 times as hard as me and get half the results.

“are you seriously stooping to childish insults in the face of someone putting you in your place?”

Aren’t you the one that called me Junior? All I did was call you by your own self-given name, ‘D. Danger’. If you think your name is an insult, why would you apply it to yourself? You poor, confused child.

“and whats even worse is that im probably younger than you! time to grow up, champ.”

What, exactly, is this ‘even worse’ than? I can’t prove that you’re younger than me, but by now you’ve certainly demonstrated (without any assistance on my end) that I am far more intelligent than you. Thank you for saving me the effort 🙂

“now listen, small time, just because your own limited spectrum of exposure to the black community is refraining you from getting the pleasure and experience of working with BGLOs doesnt mean it flat out doesnt happen.”

Why is it that people of no importance that no one’s ever heard of are always calling other people “small time”? And exactly why would you assume my exposure to the black community is limited? Is it because I use correct grammar, spelling, punctuation, and capitalization? Is it because my sentences flow logically from one to the next? Is it because you assume ‘real’ black people cannot communicate cogently? Why would you expect so little from black people? Are you ashamed of your race? At this point, you’re the one in bed with Bill O’Reilly.

“My own chapter does numerous community service events, mostly fund raising. if you can pull yourself away from your little blog and check out the BGLO official websites you’d see just what we’re involved in.”

Yes, I know you keep SAYING it happens. I know that the word “Service” is plastered all over BGLO websites just like George Dubyah plastered a giant “Mission Accomplished” poster on a warship in 2003. I’m just waiting to actually see the service itself rather than the posters, banners, and other superficial crap.

“and btw thanks for the hits!”

You’re very welcome. I am an ardent supporter of struggling black websites.

9 06 2008
d. danger

I’m not even going to address the childish diatribe you just distributed to be an alleged “learned” black “man”. We can sit here and throw pointless and spiteful jabs at each other… which is what you seem to be best at… or you can take this as a learning experience to broaden your own narrow horizons and to quit doing all the work for Mr. Charley.

Now… Mr. StuffBlackPeopleHate…. to help me grasp your state of mind (and I use that term VERY loosely)… What exactly do you know (facts, not aggrandized opinions and broad assumptions) about BGLOs? Where did you get this information from? What has happened to you in your life that has caused you to feel so jaded about BGLOs? Who are some of your own personal heros, or people you feel have helped our race make strides in the community and the world?

I’m just asking for your complete honesty here… Mostly because alot of the things you mentioned and addressed are all basic stereotypes that i’ve heard rehashed and spewed from the uneducated and under-exposed… not that i’m calling you that… you give the impression of being a well-educated man what with you proper spelling, grammar, and mechanics. But i’m getting this air from you that you are not exposed or have very little exposure to the positivity that is BGLOs. Alot of the things you mention are no longer or have never been done or endorsed by BGLOs… almost as if you’re putting us all in the same category of some white GLOs.

So all trite bullshit aside, lets talk like grown men (i’m assuming you’re capable of this) and allow me to answer your questions and hopefully change your mind and rid you of these common misconceptions…. my brother.

9 06 2008
The Black Elite

The shining legacy of so many prominent black leaders in our history has for the most part devolved into a national institution of coonery and buffoonery on the college level. What better place to see stereotypes of gangsterized black males and hookeresque black females than in the BGLOs of many American colleges, especially the HBCUs. Growing up, my father and grandparents amongst other family members fed me an image of leadership, pride, history and of course fun as a part of their college and post-grad experience as members of their fraternities and sororities. I met their lifelong friends (folks like Johnnie Cochran, Douglas Wilder, Reginald Lewis and Tavis Smiley) whom they met through their respective organizations: individuals who were very accomplished and represented their organizations with pride. Some of these folks are still around and doing big things in the world, but their successors aren’t necessarily being drawn from the BGLOs. Some time ago, these organizations were integral components of entry into the black elite and corporate America for most. Now, given the unflattering portrayals on YouTube and the rest of the Internet it might very well hurt you by being a member. Furthermore, individuals like myself who are third or so generation college students and come from comfortable homes are thinking twice about crossing the sands as their predecessors did. Coming from a place where black culture does not suffer from a severe case of ghettoitis, the gang-like mentality and the niggerish behavior is just not appealing. To join a BGLO today, at many schools, is not to surround yourself with future CEOs and Senators but potentially with future prison inmates and college dropouts, (largely due to the out of control underground hazing situation). This is why at many PWIs membership in BGLOs is dwindling and at HBCUs it’s beginning to resemble something like Boyz in the Hood. And it doesn’t have to. I’m all about some promising young brothers and sisters coming from less than favorable circumstances and trying to better themselves and make it in a world that is less than nurturing to folks like us, but don’t bring the hood mentality of live or die trying to college and to these institutions. While I don’t support them being elitist as they were in the past, (paper bag test and what not), I do believe in them being elite. My grandfather went from the projects to a multi million dollar home in the suburbs by striving to be the best not in bring down the rest. This kind of bull makes me angry too, so while I don’t hold disdain for black fraternities and sororities I’m with you on this on StuffBlackPeopleHate.

9 06 2008
d. danger

let me get this right…. Another non-member of a BGLO is attempting to tell the world how BGLOs act, are, and the benefits you can reap by being a member based off of YouTube videos and again with limited and biased interaction with said organizations.

I can firmly state that it’s not the actions of some BGLOs and their members that are causing a problem with black society, seeing as how members MUST have 2.5 GPAs or above to even be considered as members and to stay in good standing, or how the NPHC makes undergrad chapters do a certain amount of community service projects a semester, or even being able to boast that some of the best and brightest minds helping to further our race have all been or are members of BGLOs… but the real problem is this “crab in a bucket” mentality that ALOT of black people share… and this mentality reaches from the destitute living in the ghettoest of the ghettos, all the way up to the self proclaimed “black elite” doing everything in their power to please the white man and be accepted by his standards.

To literally sit here and mock and call a whole large collective of individuals from ALL walks of life doing ALL kinds of stuff for their org and the community, and generalize EVERYONE based off of stuff you’ve heard on tv, or read in blogs, or from videos you’ve watched on youtube, instead of actually talking to a few members, and doing the research and homework needed to form a valid opinion, and actually giving the good a chance to shine through is ABSOLUTELY ASININE.

So don’t judge us because we STEP (not stomp dance) or because we hop, and bark, and twirl canes or staffs, or wear colors, and do all types of dope stuff that you as an individual can’t participate in… Try making a list of questions and asking people… The world is at y’alls finger tips via the internet, so don’t act like you know no greek to talk to. Black Elite, I extend to you the same challenge I’ve given the owner who has dissapeared at this point in time… Ask me questions, asks others questions, put aside those childish pre-concieved notions of BGLOs you gathered from your own unintelligence of the issue, and with a clear mind find out what we’re all about. But don’t just spew hate due to your own lack of exposure or knowledge on the situation.

Peace.

9 06 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

This guy’s still here? Good lord, dude.

9 06 2008
d. danger

lol hey im here all day getting my work done… you can either take me up on my offer or continue to be a crab-in-a-bucket…. either way i can care less… but at the end of the day, i’ll be wearing my letters proudly while you sit on the sideline looking and feeling sour.

so imma go back to my corner of the internet… it was good chatting it up with u boys.

9 06 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

“you can either take me up on my offer or continue to be a crab-in-a-bucket…. either way i can care less… but at the end of the day, i’ll be wearing my letters proudly while you sit on the sideline looking and feeling sour.”

You win. I am no match for loosely contextualized urban rhetoric.

Nice knowing you, pal.

10 06 2008
ChiKale

I understand that it can be hard for people outside of Greek organizations to imagine why some choose to invest so much time and effort into joining. The processes and rituals may be secretive, but the effect on the community is not.

Hopefully, some more readers will realize that there are entire frat and sorority chapters that strive to touch and improve lives, just as their founders intended. Know that ALL of the colors and the letters actually do signify a movement, and, yes, they are sometimes abused by people who want to be identified as worthy of their original meaning. Try not to shun such a pure cause for a few bad examples.

Maybe it will help to know that I first showed interest because an entire graduate chapter reached out to me when I was in the need of a lot more support than I could muster on my own. That is still the root of most initiates’ interest; a wanting to know more about a fellowship and a collective effort to serve.

Some of us, many of us, still stand for the irreprehensible foundation of our organizations, and I know that when I (rarely) wear my colors and letters, it is not to flaunt an ideal but to show pride in what my founders did and what my members and I strive to do today.

-An Initiate of Spring ’08.

10 06 2008
Diplomatic

Well… This is an interesting blog. I will say that I am in a BGLO, and am very happy with my choice. However, like MOST of my brother- and sistergreeks that have responded, I simply take this opportunity to learn a little more about how we are seen in the community-at-large, since many times we can admittedly get caught up in our “Greek world.”

Whatever your reason for disliking or simply not caring about BGLOs, this blog is a great example of why BGLOs even exist. If EVERYONE was interested in them, there would almost be no need. Granted, we think that the work that we do is important, but if everyone wanted to do the same thing, there wouldn’t be a need for BGLOs, and certainly not more than one fraternity and sorority.

The only thing I see a problem with is that the blanket statements that are made. Just because the Greeks on your campus act a certain way does not mean that we all do. But, I suppose it’s human nature to generalize, so whatever. Hopefully you run into some BGLO members that chane your mind, and if not… we’ll all still be the same people working toward whatever goals we have. No big deal.

10 06 2008
lisaturtle

I can’t believe the BGLOs let that one chick get away with comparing their initiations “processes” to FEMALE CIRCUMCISION.

10 06 2008
scarletjones

@d.danger –

tell your frat @ clark atlanta university’s Psi chapter that they owe me $103.20 for buying cookout supplies for a community outreach event, because when they ran out of buns and hot dogs and none of the bruh’s wanted to go get more food, i stepped up. That was in summer of 2002 i believe…..

thanks

10 06 2008
Chris Waa Doqon

Soulmariposa,

Right on! Sensible voice in a sea of ignorance.

10 06 2008
london

it’s hot huh…
i have said before i know of no organisations like this apart from the masons… the only clubs we have in uni are politics, sports and drinking… oh and maybe the odd theatre group… and i did latin at school.. far nicer..
however..
@ d. danger and fellow greeks..
from where i am standing i think you greeks need a pr person…
& you all are so uptight about yourselves..
you needed to read ‘why you shouldn’t read this blog’ then weighed up your comments..

comparing chris to:
1. Adolf Hitler
2. Strom Thurmond
3. Saddam Hussein
4. Bill O’Reilly
5. Don Imus
was an easy and cheap shot…
i am sure chris could have that levelled at him every damned day – but this is his blog and we love him for it..
we all hate stuff don’t we.. i certainly am not hitler-like..

Some of the very people you look up to and have made great strides in science, politics, entertainment, medicine, sports, so on and so forth have been or are members of BGLOs…..
begged the question which chris asked as to what are you doing today because no-one knows… it’s all well and good dining out on what your predecessors have done…

and you called chris ‘scooter’ and talked of putting him in his place.. in all seriousness.. you do know that this is his blog..
::double blink:: how is d. danger not sharing a cell with somali queen?

i still do not know what you all do from reading this post apart from defend your right to exist..
hint.. educate us.. do your own pr.. give some examples…

that was my two pence sterling…
oh and d. danger.. size is not everything you know..
chris boy-ed up you so sit down…

love you long time sbph..

10 06 2008
The Black Elite

d. danger, America bases their perception on us on what they see and hear from the media. Whether or not it’s true is irrelevant in terms of the image that we have to live with. So instead of trying to convince me that BGLOs are still valuable and relevant on the college level, convince young members of your org to behave themselves and put on a better face so as not to be cast in a negative light. Whether or not you affiliate yourself with certain individuals or activities, so long as they are wearing your letters and colors youhave no choice but to claim them. I have many friends who are who recently graduated and are making big money working in I-Banks and consulting firms, learning about the power structure on the Hill or are on their way to becoming power attorneys and doctors. And good number of these folks happen to be AKAs, Kappas, Deltas, Ques and Alphas so don’t think I don’t think I don’t know what the deal is. The fact that these organizations have amongst their ranks many of the past, present and future leaders in this nation goes without saying, but the fact is that their reputation and level of respect has certainly dwindled in the past few decades. For those not in the know, what does it say about any organization that has been kicked off campus for the accidental death of members due to excessively violent or reckless behavior. Sure the white organizations do a lot of irresponsible and shameful things, but we as black people should know by now that we have to hold ourselves in a different regard. Even the wealthiest of us are not necessarily guaranteed the same breaks and treatment as our white counterparts, (just look at the flack Oprah has gotten for endorsing Obama). I may be getting off the original topic of the post, but such is our burden and we have to bear it everyday of our lives. BGLOs are not merely social organizations by way of their mission statements and must realize the responsibility that they hold to the community and act accordingly.

10 06 2008
Soup Kitchen Scoundrel

I will agree that not all Greeks are bad as individuals. But the idea of greekdom (Black and white) is dumb. “Hey I like paying large sums of money to a) get wh00ped on by some ridiculously huge paddle, or b) drink until not only have my liver been damaged beyond repair but the genetic code of my sperm has been altered to something that resembles ‘hops'” Fools…

10 06 2008
london

@ the black elite…
nice tag by the way..
as a total outsider i agree with you..
putting on a better public face will do wonders…
you all really need to come together to engage in some sort of public relations campaign to dispel the myths and negate the bad press…
the potential power for the organisation in the future is unlimited if people participating and information are shaped the correct way…
the whole thing needs some alignment..

11 06 2008
lisaturtle

EWW AT CLARK ATLANTA UNIVERSITY. EWW.

11 06 2008
scarletjones

hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa @lisa! i didn’t in fact go to CAU, but my brother did… and he got so sick of their shit that he transferred to G-state.

oh and by the way i was for real about that shit earlier. if d.danger got some pull, can a brotha please try to get me my money from his triflin ass frat brothers? call it community service for a community of one.

13 06 2008
alphaangel

Thank you chris and THANK YOU shabooty for being.
One of my absolute fav posts

16 06 2008
Tasha T

1.) “Stepping” (just because you “prefer” to call it “stomp-dancing” doesn’t make it so) is a derivative of the original South African Boot Dance.

2.) “Stomp dancing” and “stomp like an Iota” completely confirmed my initial reaction to immediately nullify your opinion on this matter.

3.) The original founding principles and those who still carry those out to this day make BGLOs worth while to be a member of. Membership has its benefits. If you don’t want to be a member, then don’t be.

16 06 2008
alphaangel

WHY ARE these doo doo dumb greeks always tryna to relate their traditions to random parts of AFRICA!?

You is black faced greeks…

16 06 2008
Abeautifulsurprise

First of all your blog is entertainment, and it entertains me daily, so Thanks. But I have to say I read everything you write as just that; entertainment, you are like a Don Imus that plays for my team; meaning you rarely offend me ( A college educated Black female), but of course overtime you will, and that’s your job, if everyone was always happy with what you said, your blog would suck.

That being said, I am a member of a Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority Inc. and of course, I don’t agree. But I really don’t expect for you or anyone else who is not a member of a BLGO to understand our process,potential, or purpose. You can only see the surface. And if you went to a bull shit school with bull shit organizations than that’s what you see of the experience. But I implore you to do more than four minutes of research, and find out what it’s really all about.

17 06 2008
Tasha T

For AlphaAngel:

You’re funny, honey. I was a dancer (@ least 20 yrs) before I became Greek. I have performed this dance several times with my college dance company. Our entire repertoire (look it up) chronicled America’s African roots through dance. Every single dance we did had historical significance and our director/choreographer thoroughly researched each dance and its origin so that we, as the dancers, would appreciate the meaning a lot more.

Our motto was Sankofa: Return to/Reclaim Your Roots! Check your history and your grammar.

29 07 2008
smh

My fellow greeks, clearly this man’s understanding of black greek life is so raggedy that no explanation via internet, sophisticated or not, is going to correct his ignorant assumptions.

And to the poster, btw, “stomp” is not the name for “stepping.” just like “tickity tack” is not the name for “tap” and “shooboodeedooo” is not the name for “jazz.” and no, i am not a pompous asshole for expecting you describe things properly.

8 08 2008
shana

I understand your opinion as well as others on the the other side of the fence… I am not a greek but alot of the women in my family are. The only reason i considered it was as a common bond with those women in my family. When I attended college we both realized the Gos are not the same as they were when they joined. It is more of a social thing than anything else. A sense of belonging. For example, If the guy you like was a que than you automatically want to be a delta so you can get closer to him. Or on the flip side the “hoes” flock to the frats.

Now the only valuable reason I can see people joining is because alot of black kids don’t come from solid homes. Alot are first generation college students. They see these organizations as support from like monded individuals. They have some type of acceptance from people, especially frats for the young men. They have someone to look up to and that will have your back for the rest of your life. Similar to a big brother big sister program at the essence of things. It could be worse, these kids could join gangs or things like that.

Now thoes paper frats are a bunch of bull shit. They’re parents pay for cause as a college student you do not have that type of paper. And it is a popularity contest. So if you are mad that you spent your ” hard earned money to join” you are lying through your teeth.

13 08 2008
Siobhan

Um…I just want to be sure you posted the picture of the raised fists for the Olympic Project for Human Rights and not the common misconception for Black Power…although the image has been useful for that reason…check out the buttons all three are wearing.

beautiful kisses
Siobhan

13 08 2008
Jen

Siobhan…a Black Power salute is a Black Power salute. It has value in and of itself, and we shouldn’t try to detract from that value.

The Olympic Project for Human Rights was a valuable effort under an overarching theme. That theme is more lasting than an individual project for obvious reasons.

7 09 2008
wow...a proud AKA

um…even as an AKA and very proud one…I can agree with you to an extent…HOWEVER, remember, when you are calling out GOs…but only make references that relevant to BGLOs (Black Greek Letter Orgs)…especially when you talk about “stomping” or “continuing on after college”…there are lots of GOs; but only a few historically BGLOs…do you even understand the reason for BGLOs and why they were formed? Like, seriously, do some background for yourself other than the friends you know involved in these orgs and learn why we developed our own…BGLOs definitely need to tighten up and refocus on alot of things, yes…however, we are a major asset to OUR communities.

21 09 2008
A MADE GDI Since Spr. 2008

I love this post! It’s a little harsh; but very entertaining and well written.

I have quite a few friends who are members of BGLO’s and they are really down to Earth and dedicated public servants. Unfortunately, the bad seems to outweigh the good when it comes to undergrad BGLO’s in my city.

I once considered joining a BGLO’s on my campus; but after meeting a few of these youngbucks, I decided against. They were a little too arrogant w/o cause for me and acted like they knew it all. I’m not mad at these guys because of their arrogance, its the fact that after they realized that I wasn’t interested they started throwing dirt on my name around campus. I walk past these guys and they glare at me like they hate me! LOL.

21 09 2008
A MADE GDI Since Spr. 2008

Another thing that I don’t understand about D9 organizations is the lack of unity amongst you all. Why do Iota’s always get disrespected and discredited just because they didn’t emerge until the Civil Rights Era? It’s really stupid and a big turn off, help a GDI to understand what makes an Alpha or Kappa better than an Iota or Sigma, if everyone is supposed to be about Teaching and Uplifting?

4 01 2009
what

Interesting.

24 01 2009
Sophie

I can see where your points come from but honestly I don’ t think you have done enough research on the history of certain greek orgs and what they stood for. Look up well known names and most of them are part of an org. Our presidents, Martin Luther King Jr., Maya Angelou and the list goes on. Yes these people would have been successful regardless of what org they joined or when, but they did it for a reason and clearly it wasn’t to get paddled and hazed. I respect other orgs and know that they appeal to individuals that is why there are so many. And rivalries, are because people are jealous but not everyone has them.
You don’t know that there are more Pros than Cons to be in an org because you have never experienced them.
Sometimes its a bunch of bad apples and stupid people with no responsibility that ruin it for everyone else and why the people they are supposed to look after, pledges, get hurt and there have been deaths but of course the bad stuff is going to be highlighted over the good.
I love my org and because of frustration yes, I have questioned why I did the things I did but in the end there are no regrets.
My sisters helped me find my voice, and I learned more about myself.

30 01 2009
rhood375

A point of clarification to you younger folks. The term “stepping” is relatively new (90’s on). Back in the day, it was called “marching” or “stomping”. It definitely was never refered to as “dancing”. But then, it was never done to music.

This first occured after WWII, when soldier’s returned to their college campuses and developed “marches” paterned after military drill manuevers. It’s really interesting how now its been attributed to “african tribal dances” and the like.

8 03 2009
calmlydisgustedbyyou

You are ridiculously wrong! I understand that this website states your opinions, but you didn’t have to give it the name you gave it! I feel that you need to delete this!!! HATER…

8 03 2009
calmlydisgustedbyyou

STUPID…OOPS I 4GOT THE YOU ARE…JUST PLACE IT IN THE FRONT!

4 06 2009
bpowell1016

I’m trying to view Stuff Black Greeks Like blog… Why is it not showin up?

29 08 2009
Angry College Student

It’s funny how you mentioned Iota at the end. I have Iota’s at my school, and let me tell you, some of them are really hateful.

I feel that these “fraternities” and “sororities” are just organized gangs. One guy I knew joined and became an asshole over night. I guess the “stomping” got to his head.

Some one on here mentioned elitist. Elitist is that absolute word of choice here. I can’t see how one could have a healthy mindset while being in one of these organizations, with their color coated dress and hand signals, talk about conformity.

But I’d be lying if I said they weren’t appealing. After all, they create the illusion that one is special, apart of an elite.

19 09 2009
handyman

I’m a white man, and I never did like these cocksuckers in these Secret Societies. Mainly Freemasons. They are the ones waging a clandestine war on the black population (with crack). Of course, they take orders from the higher ups in the college fraternities. I don’t know why any black man would want to join this. Even their lodges are segregated. You can only join Prince Hall, which is Freemasonry for coloreds. The world would be a better place if these Secret Societies were run out of here!

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