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28 05 2008

There are two contexts under which a man will say to himself – “Oh my God, I can’t believe this is happening.” One is the ‘good’ context, such as in that which a man realizes he’s about to win the lottery or he’s about to have sex with two hot chicks at the same time. The other is the ‘bad’ context, such as that in which a man realizes his firstborn son is about to get hit by a freight train at full speed…or he realizes he’s about to go to the movies.

We (black people) all hate movies whether we’ll admit it or not. We hate going to the movies because we know that, in almost all cases, there will be some kind of fucked up treatment of blacks (or other colored folk) in terms of their roles, portrayals, dialog and, in many cases, the complete lack of all of these.

There are all kinds of categories of fucked up film to choose from when you’re looking at it as a black person. There are some that I’m not even going to get into because it’s so trite and obvious, like the category of movies where the only significant black character is the first to die.

Stemming from this, though, we have the category that evolved from ‘Only Coon Dies’ – namely, ‘Every Coon Dies’. This category was spearheaded by the otherwise fantastic movie ‘300’, in which literally every single black person in the movie is killed in some horrendously miserable way: kicked into a bottomless pit and beheaded by a bizarre creature with fleshy blades for arms, among others. ‘300’ saw fit not only to kill us all, but to give us the most ridiculously insane deaths imaginable in a movie predicated entirely on ridiculously insane death.

Figure 1: THIS! IS! RACIST!

There’s the ‘Supporting Negro’ category that we’ve had to deal with since Hattie McDaniel won an Oscar for it in 1940 for her portrayal as Mammie in ‘Gone with the Wind’ (anybody else find it completely fucked up that her character was actually NAMED after a specific stereotype?) As time went on, black actors were forced into supporting roles even when they were better actors than the white leads they shadowed (Will Smith in ‘Bagger Vance’, Bill Duke in ‘Predator’, Djimon in ‘Gladiator’, Morgan Freeman in every fucking movie he’s ever been in).

Aside: Morgan Freeman

Morgan Freeman gets the Oscar for “Most Fucked Over Actor in Hollywood History”. He MUST have the shittiest agent on the face of the Earth, because this guy is constantly coming in second place to an increasingly talentless band of white actors starting with Matthew fucking Broderick in ‘Glory’ and ending most recently with Steve Carell in ‘Evan Almighty’.

Sub-Aside: Morgan Freeman as God

‘Bruce Almighty’ and ‘Evan Almighty’ tried to cover up Hollywood’s persistent racism by casting Morgan Freeman as God. They figured black people would be so happy with a black man portraying God that’d we’d overlook the fact that Morgan Freeman was playing second fiddle to a pair of hacks. They failed. Fuck Hollywood and fuck all of L.A. for that matter.

Figure 2: Why does God need to wear a fucking suit?

End Sub-Aside

I can safely say that the only case where the lead actor was actually on or above his level was Tim Robbins in ‘The Shawshank’ Redemption, but I still claim that the movie would have been even more interesting if it focused more on the life of Freeman’s character. Enough of this shit already.

End Aside.

Let’s not forget, of course, those movies where minority roles are snatched away from minorities altogether and filled by whites. This used to be a category suffered almost exclusively by Native Americans in every movie from John Wayne’s ‘The Searchers’ to Daniel Day Lewis in ‘Last of the Mohicans’. Remember that ‘crying Indian’ from the Don’t Litter commercials? That fucker was Sicilian. Black people, however, are being newly banged in the ass with this category for the first time since the days of Al Jolson with Robert Downey Jr.’s portrayal as a black man in ‘Tropic Thunder.’ I refuse to see this movie, because I know that as soon as I hear RDJ try to talk like a black person, I am going to go completely apeshit and stab myself with a barong.


Figure 3: Did they give you a bigger penis, too?

Usurping of roles isn’t the only thing blacks and indians have in common when it comes to reasons to hate film. There’s the even more pervasive (and far more infuriating) ‘White Jesus’ category. These are the movies that pretend to be about blacks or indians, but just turn out to be a way to make white people look good because they involve a white man ‘saving’ the colored group, usually from other white people.

Figure 4: Fuck you.

With these films, Hollywood wants to dupe people into thinking that a movie about coloreds = a colored movie. Here’s a hint, you L.A. fucksticks: any movie with a white protagonist is a white movie, you aren’t fooling anyone, and you can go straight to hell. Shining examples of this are ‘Amistad’ and ‘Glory’ for black people, ‘Dances with Wolves’ and ‘Last of the Mohicans’ for indians, and ‘The Last Samurai’ for asians. If I could go back in time and nuke these movies’ sets, I swear to God I would.

So if we nig-gars are so damn unhappy with the mainstream film choices, then why not be happy with ‘black’ movies like ‘Love and Basketball’, ‘Brown Sugar’, ‘The Best Man’, ‘Dreamgirls’, ‘Diary of a Mad Black Woman’, ‘Soul Food’ or ‘Waiting to Exhale’?

Simple: all these movies are shit.

Almost all black movies that make it to the mainstream simply MUST involve at least two of the following: gangsters, sports, cheating black men, bitter black women, music, and Soul Food – the last item, which has a movie of the same name, is probably the most ridiculous of all. Do you think Tom Hanks’ white ass would ever star in a movie called ‘Casserole’?

Figure 5: Would never happen

The only really notable exception to this rule was ‘The Color Purple’ which, I believe, was a great movie if for no other reason than it didn’t involve the typical monolithic cast of modern no-talent black actors: Taye Diggs, Sanaa Lathan, Morris Chesnut, Nia Long, Omar Epps, etc. Understanding WHY black films can’t break the shackles of stereotypical subjects is the most enraging reality of all: they simply wouldn’t work.

Anybody who needs proof that racism isn’t dead and that black people and white people are nowhere near being on equal social footing only needs to think to himself why black equivalents of historical epics (a black ‘Gladiator’), existential pieces (a black ‘The Truman Show’), non-musical/non-sports biographies (a black ‘Capote’), horror flicks (a black ‘Exorcist’), adventure films (a black ‘Indiana Jones’), or sci-fi (a black ‘Star Wars’) generally aren’t commercially viable – it’s because white people ain’t interested in that shit.

Why aren’t they interested? This is why

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320 responses

28 05 2008
Soullady

Not true, I would be interested :-). Another good movie (well, english movie) is “A Crying Game” with Forrest Whittaker as an english soldier and Stephen Rae as an IRA terrorist as the main characters.

And what about Ghost Dog? One of my favorite “black” movies.

I agree that the movies you mentioned are kind of stereotyping, but there are other ones.

28 05 2008
Linnea

Eve’s Bayou included one of the said stereotypes (cheating black man), but it also included voodoo and it was a great film. Plus, Sam Jack was in it. How are you going to write a movie blog without mentioning him? He’s in EVERYTHING!!! Even Snakes On A Plane that I never saw, but heard it sucked hard anyway.

28 05 2008
Sister Toldja

Cassarole?????? AHAHAHHAHA!!!!!! It would have to be Green Bean Cassarole or Peanut Butter Marshmello Chocolate Chip Cassarole.

Ahem. I have to disagree a little with your dissing of some of those movies: ‘Love and Basketball’, ‘Dreamgirls’, ‘Waiting to Exhale’ were all good movies. ‘Soul Food’ wasn’t bad either, minus the panties-in-the-mouth sex scene (that was soooo offensive for a family film). I never had one of those Black families that got together for Sunday dinners or family reunions or anything aside from funerals and the occasional wedding, but I did have a Big Mama and some jailbird cousins, so I felt I could relate a little. Dreamgirls was phenominal, minus Beyonce giving the WORST performance in the history of film since the last time she shat on someone’s screenwriting with her adorable autistic demenor. I don’t think The Best Man was great, it was aaiiight. But I also feel that if it had been done with a White cast, it would have been a bigger film.

I hate that Black folks are so hard on some of our films, but I also hate that we are represented in so few films: the gangsta flick, the RoCo, the “magical Negro” film like Green Mile and Baggar Vance. I also HATE that there has to be a rapper or singer in 99% of our movies, regardless of their talent level. Mos Def acted before most of us knew him as a rapper and Will Smith is a far better actor than he was an emcee. But Ice Cube??? WTF? He is Cali-ass Craig from Friday in EVERY MOVIE! Craig with a barbershop. Craig in the strip club. Craig in the Gulf War. Craig with the stepkids. Craig in the Reinassance. Craig in the Holocaust. Craig in space. I hate Craig!

28 05 2008
Sister Toldja

Linnea- Eve’s Bayou was the shit! Sam Jackson is in every film ever, with any plot, any director, any cast, any theme. Sam Jackson is not an actor. He is a day laborer, I am convinced. His agent just tells him where to show up and what time to be there.

28 05 2008
benjie

the movies give me a headache.
cause i’m normally laughing/crying/enraged/horrified at whatever i’m sposed to have those feelings for
and then suddenly up pops the racism, and i’m like…”hey, i saw that!”
and then the movie is ruined.

and the black movies tend to give me the same headache.
i mean, some of them i love: love and basketball, brown sugar (i got marriage on my menu), waiting to exhale
but others: diary of a mad black woman, basically anything by tyler perry (except daddy’s little girls…idiris elba. nuf said) makes me want to scream.

was i the only person that noticed in transformers that the only one that died was jazz? i assumed (most likely like the rest of the world) that he was black. and…. the black one had to pick the cadillac right??

sheesh

28 05 2008
Raha

lol… don’t forget Leonardo Dicaprio amnd Djimon in Blood Diamond… they were in fricking Africa and still managed to make the movie about the white dude and the random ass white chick that he met along the way.

28 05 2008
Lindsay

…And The Color Purple was a book first.

As was Roots, and Queen, and Malcolm X, and other ‘good’ ‘black’ movies.

28 05 2008
Lindsay

@ Benjie-

I was mad they had a ‘black’ transformer in the first place.

And you know who did the voice? Eddie Winslow! (even though it sounded like X to the Z Xzibit)

28 05 2008
benjie

@ Lindsay

are you kidding?!?!

i don’t know why that just made me dislike the character.
something about eddie winslow makes my skin crawl.
it’s either the fact that he used to date superhead (which should be making his skin crawl by now), or the fact that he looks like a ninja turtle.

28 05 2008
Lindsay

Dead serious.

We stayed til the end, and I watched the credits.

Darius mf’ing McCrary.

Sigh. I almost felt bad for him.

28 05 2008
Esquire

I HATE HATE All the WHITE TEACHER MOVIES. Superior white teacher goes into urban school and helps the ghetto latino and coon children read so they can fucking pass the exam to graduate high school. Of course one gets pregnant along the way, there is ALWAYS a gang fight, the teacher has to fight the ignorant ass parents. COME ON. What about black teachers who go thru this shit every day? Make a movie about white teachers who screw over thier black students. Or black teachers who help EVERY STUDENT. Jesus, why must everyone SAVE us all the time?

I also hope SATC cast chokes on thier own vomit or spills something on thier dresses (TRAGEDY) There are NO black people that can afford designer clothes in NYC? The only coon is an asst?

@Soullady…the fact that we can actually NAME a few movies that “sort of” dont stereotype is a problem within itself. Its like saying “I have FIVE black friends”

@ ST: girlfriend…I LOVE ICE CUBE as a dramatic actor. He has made a true transformation. But 50 cent?…try again.

I will admit, I DID like White mans Burden. It was nice to see a world with all Negros.

28 05 2008
LiterateAfrican

I have to disagree Chris. And this is just because I work with a lot of Negroes of all stripes. If there was a “black” Truman Show, not only would white folks not go, but neither would black folks. Maybe the so called “talented tenth” type black folk would go see an intelligent black movie, or one that breaks stereotypes, but the rest of black people? I seriously doubt it. I think this because every time I come to work, one of my coworkers has one of those “Urban lit” books in tow, reading away about some drug dealing hoe. If we can’t get them to pick up Octavia Butler, how we gonna get them to see a “black” Capote?

28 05 2008
teachthemwell

Transformers was a racist ass movie. He had to talk hip-hop too. I thought they were alien. Waiting to Exhale was the worst movie. I hated that shit.

28 05 2008
teachthemwell

Mainly because Whitney Houston is the worst actor

28 05 2008
Sister Toldja

Esq.-CO-SIGN the White teacher movies. HATE HATE HATE! UGH!

You tripping about Ice Cube though. Tripping hard. Yea-e-yea!

28 05 2008
WargodPR1

You guys are soooo funny. We must remember that this country doesnt care about equality, not really. Oh its nice to say it, but lets be realistic, its a farce. Shoot white people dont even like other white people, what makes us think that they’ll like us too.

Movies are just that, entertainment. To take it at face value is like showing a blind man a kaliedescope, all he might catch is shadow. Watching movies wont give you a proper perspective on anything other than “WTF!!!” I remember guys like Sidney Portier, and Paul Robeson (I like old movies) who ACTED (within the limited confines of their roles) and showed their talent.

Personally I dont care what or who is in the movie as long as the storyline is one I’ll enjoy. If the acting sucks, it sucks…(Bill Duke’s character in Predator was pointless, but at least he was there. So was Native American’s character, but at least he was there…)

I’m with Sista Toldja on the Ice Cube thing…tired of seeing Tyrese in action flicks, sick of seeing rapper after rapper think that they can make an action flick….

Whatever the case, if you look for racism, you’ll probably find it in every turn, every phase of American culture, from movies to music, to art. Chris does more than an adequate job (its exceptional) in showing the disparity of America…keep going Chris!

28 05 2008
Knatural

Can you please stop reading my mind? Please. Just yesterday I was talking about the upcoming film about General Hannibal starring Vin Diesel, and the film about Toussaint L’Ouverture (sp?) and the Haitian Revolution and I think it’s about time. I just hope they’re up to par with Gladiator and that folks go see them.

28 05 2008
LiterateAfrican

@ Esquire I boycotted Freedom Writers. I think I was the only one tho…

28 05 2008
WargodPR1

Oh Ghost Dog was exceptional!

28 05 2008
naapali

Interesting spin you put on the movies. I notice you make no comments about movies made by black folks from the film school grads such as Spike Lee, John Singletary to the learned with a camcorder Ice Cube sorts.

No offense to D’jimoh Honsou but Russell Crowe out acts his ass anytime.

28 05 2008
naapali

correction; meant John Singleton

28 05 2008
Esquire

Aw man Sister… You are SOOO crazy!! I think I just like Ice Cube as a rapper. But at least he does not suck as much as Ice-T. How in the HELL that man has made it on SVU for so long is truly a mystery. I think Sam Jackson should come out with an album. He already has the cussing down pat.

28 05 2008
WargodPR1

Esquire, that last remark was funny as hell!

I like Sam Jackson because he doesnt give a Sh*t about the movies he’s in, he just likes to act…

Snakes on a Plane…WTF!
Black Snake Moan…WTF!
Die Hard 3?…ok I liked that one…
The Long Kiss Goodnite….WTF!
Unbreakable…ok I liked that one too…

Shoot, did anyone realize that Val Kilmer is Native American? Johnny Depp too…there are tons of hispanic actors that changed their names to get real acting jobs in the past…

28 05 2008
Natalie

Wow I was just talking about crappy black movies with my co-worker the other week. Same goes for TV shows like Diff’rent Strokes and Gimme A Break. That’s almost worse in a way because it was a regular weekly dose of racism and both of those shows ran for 6 seasons or more. ::shiver::

28 05 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

Do not get me started on Val Kilmer.

Any Indian that’s ever seen ‘Thunderheart’ wants to rip out Val Kilmer’s throat and ram it up his ass.

28 05 2008
Ljones

I agree with most of the points in today’s blog. I think Ghost dog was a great flick, but alas, no blockbuster. Blacks, as a people, wouldn’t see any movie REMOTELY intellectual on a grand enough scale to give that studio the green light on a follow up.
Aside, I recently admonished my son for saying “jesus christ” and asked him if he knew who that was? he replied “yes, you told me that some people think Jesus Christ is God’s son” so I said ” you know who god is” – ready guys, you ready for it… he says “yes, I saw him on TV with the animals , he looks like me, the black guy”. And if nothing else, I am fine with my son believing a god of any sort is black!! that is great for his self -esteem!

I did say to myself while watching 300 yesterday – “figures the blackest person in the flick would be a lowly messenger, his whole team would be so obviously black and get so disrespected” WOW!! I was pretty pissed when i saw it in the theater.

Because of this I have taken to visitng movies less and less and getting documentaries from netflix. I can’t stand the whole hollywood formula of movie making, Ia m also getting more into independent films just to get a different perspective altogether. But this is why I don’t do Tyler Perry movies or plays, anything with Morris chestnut in it and since Sam did snakes on a plane – I question his choices now! But I guess actors gotta eat too!

28 05 2008
Knatural

I’m sorry, but Eve’s Bayou was terrible – it had no plot. I enjoy Samuel L. jackson in most films but that one was all over the place.
And a ‘Native American’ movie I saw recently that pissed me off: Pathfinder. An abandoned Viking child raised by Indians grows up to defend his community against more invading Vikings. The premise and CGI sucked on sooooo many levels.

28 05 2008
creativecat

Shawshank Redemption is one of my favorite movies of all time! If you read the short story, you wouldn’t think Red (Morgan Freeman’s character) was black. So you might be able to consider Shawshank Redemption an example of a black actor stealing a white part. 🙂

LOL at Tom Hanks in “Casserole.” But “Jello Salad” would be even funnier.

As far as historical movies with black leads, the only one I can think of is “Othello” with Lawrence Fishburn. But the only black guy does die.

28 05 2008
creativecat

Regarding the non-black Jesus: I’m always amused by pictures of blond-haired blue-eyed Jesuses. Cause there were lots of Scandinavians in the Middle East at that time period, right?

28 05 2008
Ljones

@creativecat – scandinavians in the middle east – funny.
Love shawshank and liked eve’s bayou. I think it had plot and good characters (not good in nature all of them , but with depth). I absolutely ABHOR movies that CHOOSe white actors of the race of a character when these very people of whatever race exist and could carry the role, case in point, A mighty heart with that vessel of sin- Angelina Jolie plays a black woman, wife of Daniel Pearlman. I refuse movies like this just like RDj as a black dude- wont’ be seeing that either. Another thing, aren’t there gay actors that would kiss otehr men, rather than having NON- GAY (supposedly) acotrs work in gay roles where they must display intimate behaviors, odd!

28 05 2008
Ljones

Othello was a great piece of work and a few people died and Othello mad it through the whole movie so I was fine with that. Laurence played the HELLout of that role and I will see ALMOST ANYTHING with him it. JuSt please no more, cornbread, Earl and me

28 05 2008
Digga

Djimon was the protagonist in Amistad, dont get it twisted. Loved it.

Glory was an ensemble cast pretty much, another favorite.

Ice T is on SVU because his role in New Jack City was better acted than ANYTHING Ice Cube has ever done in front of a camera as Craig.

Sam Jackson isnt mentioned in the post cause it undermines the post’s entire premise, as that muthafucka owns most any movie he’s in.

28 05 2008
Anonymiss

LiterateAfrican (13:34:58) :

I have to disagree Chris. And this is just because I work with a lot of Negroes of all stripes. If there was a “black” Truman Show, not only would white folks not go, but neither would black folks. Maybe the so called “talented tenth” type black folk would go see an intelligent black movie, or one that breaks stereotypes, but the rest of black people? I seriously doubt it. I think this because every time I come to work, one of my coworkers has one of those “Urban lit” books in tow, reading away about some drug dealing hoe. If we can’t get them to pick up Octavia Butler, how we gonna get them to see a “black” Capote?

Yup. Ya’ll should peep this “Nigglature” post I read a while back. Had me dying.

I’m gonna make it my mission to find some quality Black indie flicks. I know they’re out there. And hit up Netflix. I’ve got flicks on my queue that I never knew existed.

28 05 2008
Hot,Cool&Vicious

WHEW! thank GOD you didn’t name “love jones”

😉

28 05 2008
PrettyPiscesGirl

UGH…this is one of the topics that makes me go completely BATTY…shitty movies. Especially shitty BLACK movies. Now, while I do have certain fave actors (Tom Hanks, Robin Williams, Will Smith to name a few) whose movies I must see at some point, no matter how craptastical they might be…most movies get the gas face from me. They just don’t cut it. If I’m not questioning how inane the plot (or lack of one) is, then I’m looking at my watch after an hour and a half thinking, “I wish I had my DVR remote to fast forward through this to get to the end”…my patience (and attention span) is limited in my old age.

28 05 2008
imaG

Shitty black movies are ridiculous..What was that? Leprechaun in the hood or something?

I love Will Smith movies and action movies tho, but you’ll rarely see me go out of my way to watch them.

http://www.anythingblack.net

28 05 2008
Ethel

The Casserole comment–truly classic….although I wonder if there would be a copy-cat movie with a B actor called ‘hotdish’.

So can we finally admit that the tv show “The White Shadow” is offensive, not just for it’s poor writing but for the ‘great white savior’ theme? “Diffr’ent Strokes” and “Webster” also insight the gag reflex–RICH white people keeping poor/needy black children as pets.

More movies like ‘Ali’ need to be made but unfortunately, they may need to be funded independently to get them off the ground.

28 05 2008
WargodPR1

I actually liked Graham Greene in Thunderheart…LOL The old Native American guy reminded me (physically) of my grandmother’s grandfather (He was Blackfoot Souix).

I only brought it up to say that people rarely are what they seem. Some actors have had to “de-race” themselves to work.

Pathfinder sucked ASS!!! I was deeply, deeply offended. I hated Last of the Mohicans, even though it was based on a fictional book.

As far as films go, I tend to stay away from the ones that stereotype, spout religious rhetoric at every possible turn, and those that just are too damn goofy to even want to go see.

28 05 2008
Sister Toldja

The cannon of Black movies is too large to limit our discussion to The Shawshank Redemption and Soul Food! Least we not forget

The Watermelon Heist: http://www.maverickentertainment.cc/filmdetail.php?ProductID=111

Who Made The Potatoe Salad: http://www.blackfilm.com/20061103/features/whomadethecontest.shtml

Nikita Blues: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/nikita_blues/
(I actually saw this. They had bumbling rapists as comic relief.)

Maybe we can check out the next Black film on Blackfilm.com and get some inspiration. Wonder what they are talking about today: http://www.blackfilm.com/20080523/

28 05 2008
Elaine

Don’t forget The Green Mile…Tom Hanks and they guy who played John Coffey – Micheal Duncan(?)

lol at the white teacher movies, but I’ll counteract with Sister Act 2: Back in the Act. I don’t know how people feel about sister act, but I LOVE this film. Did it do well back in the day?

Also Djimon survived until the end in The Four Feathers, starring Heath Ledger. But he did play the stereotypical stoic strong african guy- leader of the tribe kind of bloke. He does play a lot of “scary African guy” roles…did anyone see In America? Hmm I think blacks need to start their own film industry – “Negrowood”. There’s Nollywood for Nigerian films.

28 05 2008
Knatural

I’m a lil late, but…@Wargod – movies aren’t just entertainment. Society’s notions of beauty, character, love, anything relating to the human condition are perpetuated through art, music, and media, and if all we see if stereotypical bullshit and mistrel shows then we begin to believe it. And others who don’t look like us believe it, too. Most of my friends are from other countries and they’ve formulated their views on Blacks and America based on our movies, television, and music.

28 05 2008
benjie

ah love jones…

now i will admit that i DO like that movie (the sdtk was one of the reasons my cousin got pregnant early. yeah we were fresh children)
but, there was always something about that movie that bothered the hell out of me. i think it was the smoky club scenes, where everyone is sipping cognac and snapping their fingers to the poetry.

28 05 2008
WargodPR1

I detest movies that have people playing outside their cultural background. This goes with Elizabeth Taylor playing Cleopatra, to RDJ playing a black man…absolutely absurd. The problem is the listing of Actors and who makes what…

I abhor Native Americans played by whites back in the day. The fact that TONTO means STUPID or FOOLISH in Spanish…(aka the Lone Ranger and Tonto) and that fact that Spanish actors in the past had to change their names to be accepted as “real” actors (aka Anthony Quinn, Margarita “Rita” Hayworth, to name a few), that crap even happens today (Ramón Gerardo Antonio Estévez aka Martin Sheen and his two sons Emelio Estevez and Charlie Estevez)

Yeah I’m racially mixed, so it pisses me off to see all that crap.

BTW, Ice T sucks as a rapper and an actor though I will say his part in New Jack CIty had me rolling on the ground laughing…”I wanna shoot you so bad my dick is hard…” Classic.

28 05 2008
PrettyPiscesGirl

@ Who Made the Potatoe Salad…my mom made me a copy of that (yes, I do get most of my movies for free ninety nine). I looked at the cover, saw Jaleel White, and fell back against my wall laughing. Then, after I recovered, I looked at her and said “Are you serious? Mama, REALLY?”. My mom, unlike me, is highly indiscriminate when it comes to what she watches…

28 05 2008
Esquire

“Diffr’ent Strokes” and “Webster” also insight the gag reflex–RICH white people keeping poor/needy black children as pets.

OMG I just saw a MARATHON of this coonerificness on Nickelodeon (?) BET maybe? this past weekend. Everytime I flipped past I kept seeing that little afro with the big ass part hugging on that old white man.

I officially HATE YOU Sister Toldja.

28 05 2008
Sister Toldja

DEAD @ Prettypices!!!! OMG, I never thought I would meet someone who actually saw it! I need your autograph.

Love Jones is the best movie ever, I don’t care what anyone says. I don’t really care for spoken word, but at the time the film came out, the genre had not really re-emerged big time with young Black folks, so it wasn’t contrived as it would have been had it came out in like, 2003. It took place in my hometown (opening scene was shot in front of this dude I know’s building in my old neighborhood) and it reminded me of my older sisters friends a bit. Like A Different World did my Howard experience, however, Love Jones made my expectations for brothers way too high, lol.

28 05 2008
WargodPR1

Knatural…I see your point, but that’s what OTHERS make them without first hand experience…to me its entertainment and not to be taken seriously. Why you might ask, because of the bias in all of them.

If I were to take what I saw in media at face value I’d be distrustful of EVERYONE. I’d think that all PEOPLE are fu**ed up, love starved, anti-social, narcissistic, egotistical, close-minded, scape-goat searching, RACIST, PREJUDICIAL, opinion-pushing, philanderers, and a whole bunch of negative and few positive adjectives and would never interact with anyone again.

To me, movies are meant to entertain, period. Even documentaries have a bias in them as they generally are shaped to the creator’s point of view. People who choose not to interact because of something the media said are cowards…your friends aside, they went outside what the media said and found out for themselves, though there are tons of people, as Chris has duly noted on several occasions, who havent…

If we use what the media states as fact we are blind to the individuality of every person, and I for one, refuse to follow along down that road.

28 05 2008
Yonnie3k

@ ST – YES!! As an 80s Baby and a 90s teenager, I too set my heart on attending an HBCU after falling in love with Freddy, Dwayne, and Whitley. Actually, for years I secretly thought I was going to Hilman. When those dreams were dashed, I “settled” for FAMU. Half way thru, I was like, “this is some bullshit!” I was like, this is nothing LIKE A Different World!! I think the episode that did it for me was when they were striking against apartheid – “Hoo le le, hoo le le, hoo le le, hem hem.” Ahhh….good times, good times.

28 05 2008
PrettyPiscesGirl

@Sister Toljda…yes, girl, I did watch that mess, if only see WHY Jaleel felt the need to degrade himself even further. Oh, how I wished I could get gotten that time back afterwards…

28 05 2008
Stephanie

@ CreativeCat

You’re right. In the short story “Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption” (by Stephen King…let’s just skip that part all together) Red is actually Irish. In the movie, Morgan Freeman says they call him Red because he’s Irish…so indeed, the part was not written for a black man at all.

My co-worker tells me there are black people in Maine (where the story takes place). I still have my doubts.

28 05 2008
klysha

As an engineer I am loving the use of calculus in figure 5….LOL! While I must admit that some of my favorite movies are listed here as sh@t. I do agree with your disdain for the repetitiveness in the themes of black movies. There is a severe dearth of black movies that break the mold. But as a poster pointed out black people wouldn’t come out in droves to see a black Truman show and neither would white people. Or maybe we’re not giving our people enough credit. Maybe it’s assumptions like these that have kept stereotype breaking films from being made.

28 05 2008
PrettyPiscesGirl

A Different World…oh, how PISSED I was when I found out HBCUs were NOTHING like that show…even still, I wouldn’t trade having gone to one for the world!

28 05 2008
tnt

what about the dancing negro movies, that ALWAYS end up being about some white chick/guy who is down with the coloreds, but has to prove it through dancing. or the slight variation where the black chick/guy has to dance their way out of the hood. e.g. they got accepted into a prestigious school, but they don’t have any money, and the ONLY way to get some is to dance.

seriously?!

and you totally captured how i feel about mainstream cinema right now. which is why im boycotting it. while im at it im boycotting tv as well.

28 05 2008
aceklub

@ST
LMAO!!!!!
I was literally crying w/ laughter with that Ice Cube comment and that Sam Jackson = day laborer…CLASSIC

Regarding the topic, I was just having this discussion with my staff regarding Sex In the City, where Jennifer Hudson is in the movie and my boss asked me what is Hudson role in the movie and I told her Nanny (not knowing what her role was). She thought I said ‘Mammie” which I basically followed w/ same difference. Come to find out Hudson is playing the girl’s assistant.
All these sistas flocking to the theatre and the highest point the black woman reaches is someone’s assistant. They could have at least threw in Sanaa Lathan to play her usual role of “successful black woman no man”.

28 05 2008
tnt

p.s. what about Black Snake Moan? I got suckered into watching that movie and wanted to die

28 05 2008
Stephanie

I read somewhere that Sarah Jessica Parker said that she wanted J Hudson in the movie because she admits that the show had not been responsible to their African American viewers…so basically they needed a token.

Source http://www.bossip.com/17667/jhuds-token-role/

28 05 2008
Yonnie3k

Can I just say that I think people, specifically “EBPs” are being a little too hard on Tyler Perry? I mean, the man is not trying to be Martin Scorcese. He does what he does and he does it very well. Yes, his movies are formulaic, but they accomplish their goal which is to be entertaining and carry a Christian message. Most movies have a villain/antogonist or someone who goes through some kind of emotional growth so don’t go saying that he always gives bad portrayals of black men. And most importantly, I LOVE MADEA!! “Peace be still…that’s what he said. That’s why I keeps me a piece of steel.”

28 05 2008
Knatural

Makes sense Wargod. To me what the media puts out is just one component of what shapes one’s opinion. Movies are entertainment, but that entertainment shouldn’t be so homogenous. Think about what effects us subconsciously: our ideas of romance, friendship, sex, anything are recycled to us by movies and songs. Not always by our families and friends. It takes balance among influences to create a well-rounded point of view of the world.

28 05 2008
brran1

@aceklub: “They could have at least threw in Sanaa Lathan to play her usual role of “successful black woman with no man”.

LOL, damn that’s true. I’m pretty sure that’s gonna be her permanent role for the rest of her life. Hell, she could be in another Alien movie and still be manless. Damn Sanaa.

28 05 2008
Elaine

Btw, I think Robert Downey Jnr plays a white guy who plays a black guy. The film’s about actors on a film set or something. I dont know if that makes any difference…and I think he does the “accent” too.

28 05 2008
JD

You all reminded me of this youtube clip

28 05 2008
Stephanie

**I though this had posted so sorry if it comes up again like 5 mins later.

@aceklub

Sarah Jessica Parker says that she casted J Hudson because SATC had not really been responsible to black female fans – a large part of their fanbase. So basically it’s a token role. And you couldn’t cast a really talented black actress who could steal scenes.

The story is at Bossip.

P.S. I heart SJP but I know a token when I see one.

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

HAHAHA i was rollin reading this! But I have to disagree with those “black” movies you listed I have seen all of those and loved them. But I dont liek going to the movies that much because a) there is almost always that loud ass black girl a few rows down that i want to throw my shoe at b) cost to fucking much for a damn ticket let alone get some damn popcorn. BUt I love all types of movies even though most out here are racist…aint no getting around it. I love movies from Sixteen Candles to Cast Away. hate me.. i dont care…I watch chick flicks, action, drama, romance, horror, sci-fi/fantasy, sundance all that shit. You could say I love movies more than tv at times ahha.

BTW Sam Jackson black ass should have been mentioned on this because his ass is in everything!!!!!

ST- Love Jones is my shit!

BWAHAHAH@ Negrowood smh….

Oh and I prob seen every Will Smith movie cuz shit i wont lie the man is SMOKIN HOT!!!!

Speaking of Smokin anyone see Smokin Aces sigh…Common made me want to throw panties at the screen and i was with my man hahahah.

28 05 2008
HeadNutInCharge

at least Star Trek had black people in the future, with Lamar from Reading Rainbow, smart future nigga but blind, and Warf(sp?) the klingons were black…hmmm maybe that’y why they were so violent.

Here is a good one: Wesley Snipes in Blade could have wasily been played by the random “white action” star of the month in hollywood and they chose the blackest of the black, my man Wesley Snipes!

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28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

“All these sistas flocking to the theatre and the highest point the black woman reaches is someone’s assistant. They could have at least threw in Sanaa Lathan to play her usual role of “successful black woman no man”.

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH RIGHTTTTT….

28 05 2008
WargodPR1

@ Knatural…we are definitely in agreement there

@ Ms. Epps, I with you on the movie going experience these days…

28 05 2008
stuffgirlshlike

What about “Do The Right Thing” that was a classic, it had great music great plot, it dealt with contemporary situation. Even now that movie is dripping quality.

@anything Black, you need to stop being a populist and get educated like your dad. I for one have no time for action mvies just because they are so predictable, they nearly destroyed cinema.

You know there are some of you who like nothing better than a blaxploitation movie.

What is this stuff when they bring musicians to be leads in movies, no I should not have called them musicians, I mean rappers.

http://stuffgirlslike.wordpress.com

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28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

hahahah shoot as much as it cost to get a ticket at the movies plus a good size popcorn and soda you might as well take your ass to Six Flags and bring a cooler in the car filled with “goodies” as my mom says hahah.

28 05 2008
Knatural

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH@”at least Star Trek had black people in the future, with Lamar from Reading Rainbow, smart future nigga but blind”
Atleast you didn’t say ‘Kunta from Roots’
And the Klingons weren’t Black, per se, they had varying skin tones (nerd). Tyler Perry is in the upcoming Star Trek movie, too. Probably as a Klingon.

Mrs.Epps – the movie-going experience is a whole ‘nother story. Why do people bring small children to R-rated shows? or any show after 8pm?

28 05 2008
PrettyPiscesGirl

@ Head Nut…

I love Star Trek…namely because they did at least acknowledge and showcase the inevitable diversity of the future…and not all the Klingons were “black”.

28 05 2008
Educated NSU Demon

Hey…the movies you listed were good (although Soul Food is pretty overrated)! And we did get a good movie in School Daze as well. And Morgan Freeman did get his chance to shine in Lean on Me……..never mind. 😛

But this was definitely a great post…Hollywood is one of the main places where you can look to and see that racism still runs rampant. And even if black people are allowed to truly show their talent, they can only do so if their light-skinned or a rapper (which I wholeheartedly agree don’t count as musicians…at least not the ones that get to star in movies).

28 05 2008
Knde

I rather enjoy movies and don’t care to speculate too often about them…well because they are just movies. I don’t look to the big screen for anything more than entertainment :-/

I fall firmly in the camp of “If you are dissatisfied with other’s representations of you, make your own representations.” No one owes anyone anything in this big bad world (especially in a movie portrayal of said world). Stop fuming and get what needs to be done for yourself, done.

I don’t expect the predominantly white Hollywood machine to have a vested interest in the plight of Blacks (Americans or other/I’m an other), so I can’t summon up feelings of justified rage. Their money, their opinion, their work – they should do with it as they please.

28 05 2008
PrettyPiscesGirl

I heard Tyler is gonna play a head official at Starfleet…which makes sense, cause I can’t see his vain behind wearing the Klingon makeup.

28 05 2008
Sister Toldja

Yonnie-OMG, I thought I was the only one! When I found out it wasn’t real, I wanted to go to Spellman. Then I was like “Wait, all women AND it’s in the South? HELL NO!”. I think the disappointment of Howard was that I was there in the 2000s and not the 90s. I woulda been sooo good there in 93. Freddy all day, with a Whitney lean, baby.

The problem with Tyler Perry films, primarily, rests with his shitty screenwriting skills and his insistance upon playing Madea himself. He has some good things there, and “Why Did I Get Married” had a GREAT plot. But his HORRIBLE writing killed it. KILLED IT.

Stuffgirlslike-All Spike’s Black movies are excellent. I saw DTRT again this weekend. Damn the ending was sad….

28 05 2008
shabooty

I personally, am waiting for Snakes On A Soul-Plane.

28 05 2008
shabooty

Also an FYI,
Did you know the real life story in which How Stella Got Her Groove Back was based on, went to shit…
…the young guy was THE GAY!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/06/26/BAGTQDF4S01.DTL

GOOOOoooooooOOD!

28 05 2008
Esquire

@STEPHANIE:

SJP SAID WHAT???? Now I really hope that bitch accidently steps on one of her high heels and gets gangrene in her foot.

She honored her black fans by putting Jennifer Hudson in as AN ASSISTANT?? WTF. I have two goddamned paralegals and a secretary. I dont play NO ONE’s ASSISTANT.

SATC can kiss my natural “I MANAGE PEOPLE” ass…damn assistant role.

Honor me by showing Samantha going into business with a black woman. Honor me by giving Carrie a black boss. Honor me by making (whats that ugly red heads name?) work for a black partner at a law firm. Honor me by making (whats the divorced one’s name?) compete with a black woman to make it into the social section of the NY Times. go to hell SATC

28 05 2008
Cheekie

LMFAO @ Casserole. I’d love to see Tom Hanks in a movie portraying the “culture” behind a dish of mixed-up foods that don’t even go together.

Oh, and top dollar co-sign on the “White Knight Saves Disadvantaged Urban Kids” movies. I’m all kinds of tired of that shit. Though, I did appreciate Half Nelson (Ryan Gosling and Shareeka Epps) that put a little spin on that by making the “White Knight” teacher a crackhead. LOL

And that trend always reminds me of “Akeelah and the Bee” screenwriter, Doug Atchison. He stated in an interview that he turned town a HUGE offer of his screenplay because they wanted to turn Laurence Fishburne’s character into a white guy. He said he was tired of that tired stereotype (damn skippy!), so he made the movie for less money.

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

HAHAH@ Knat…yea what is up with that shit! its passed 8pm and I see little kids between the ages of 5-8 in a rated-R movie WTFFFF…Like why are you subjecting little Laquisha to a movie called “BootyCall3” and its way passed her bedtime 1st off and 2nd the 1st scene is 2 ppl fucking and or cursing! Then I bet when the little girl grows up and starts cursing at you and having sex in your bed at the age of 11 you are going to want to know what the fuck happened for her to act like that.

What kills me is how they have these movies for children out with adult humor. Like Sherk and the other animated movies. Im like wait a minute did that fairy god mother say “sexy toosh” and was Pinnocio wearing a red thong WTFFFFFFFF! I believe the scenes I was refering to where both in Shrek 2. Kindergarten students have seen this what do they need to know about thongs and sexy asses????!!! BUt I guess they have these scenes so the “parents” can enjoy them too. BUt its hilarious when you go tot he movies and watch these little kids laughing at shit they dont understand most of the time.

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

ST- I almost went to Spelman myself and turst me an all girl school aint that bad when Morehouse with oooogles of fine looking brothas are across the parking lot..I went to a Morehouse party when i was going to school in Florida and gooodddddddammmmmmnnnn there were sooo many fine ass brothas going there…so much CHOCOLATE to choose from it was like heaven…

28 05 2008
Bailey Blues

Good post! Some of the black movies you named I LOVE!

@ST – LMAO @ Craig…Cube is the worst actor! I saw him in First Sunday and he was supposed to be from Baltimore. Having lived there, I know their accent. He still sound like he was on the porch looking at Mrs. Parker.

@aceklub: “They could have at least threw in Sanaa Lathan to play her usual role of “successful black woman with no man”….That’s a damn shame but true. I feel like this is the role of most educated black women anyway…

28 05 2008
Cheekie

*Does double take on what SJP said*

What so she FINALLY discovered that the lack of black people on NY-set sitcoms is ridiculous (I’m looking at you, Friends)? Shut up, Sarah Jessica “Why The Long Face?” Parker. Casting Jennifer Hudson was a gimmick, nothing more. So um, lemme guess, is she the “sassy” one, specially equipped with at least one neck roll? Gah. Spare me the “We really care about our black fans” BS.

28 05 2008
Esquire

P.S. I am extremely offended by the educated “I cant get a man” stereotype.

I think it implies that there are no EDUCATED black men good enough to be our mates. I just dont think thats the truth. I liked the movie Something New for other reasons, but it bash our men in a very slight way.

And is Blair Underwood the only educated looking brother in Hollywood????? Leads me back to my rant about SATC. UGH. The only thing I hate worse than that show is BOB JOHNSON. But you all know that already.

okay. Im done for real now.

28 05 2008
Knatural

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH that scene in Shrek II where Pinocchio wore a thong was hilarious! He had no butt-crack! Shrek gets a pass. But when went to see ‘Gladiator’ way back when – which was clearly gonna be violent – there were toddlers there. Toddlers and cellphones, c’mon! As quickly as stuff is released on DVD nowadays, you and your toddlers can wait to watch it at home.

28 05 2008
Sister Toldja

To defend old Foot Face, she also said that JHud’s character was to involve a woman who was in her 20s who had just moved to NY, as the four old dried up hags had many, many, many years ago. Most young women start their NYC lives in some bullshit job (waves my church fan).

I’m not offended by the character really, but I haven’t seen it yet. If she is the cute ingenue, fine. If she is da sassy momma, then I am gonna be pissed. I guess it woulda been better for the Black character to be a glamourous diva, but considering the lack of pretty in the primary cast, I don’t think they were gonna bring in a character that highlighted their obvious physical lackings.

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

Esquire-And is Blair Underwood the only educated looking brother in Hollywood????? Leads me back to my rant about SATC. UGH. The only thing I hate worse than that show is BOB JOHNSON. But you all know that already.

okay. Im done for real now.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH seems that way huh? Blair is cute but has never been my type of dude…he looks Boowgie(however you spell it) wait I take that back he is Boowgie..just like Terrence Howard baby wipe having ass..He sold out once he agreed to be on SATC which to me is the white version of Girlfriends…As for SJP’s statment her ratface can kiss my ass, how dumb does she think us as black ppl are FOREALLL…my blind grandaunt could tell you that J Hud’s role is the token black woman and if J Hud was rapped up in her newly found acting career she would have noticed that shit to.

28 05 2008
PrettyPiscesGirl

Y’all ain’t neva lied…SJP can go somewhere with the casting of J Hud…and if EYE were J Hud, I’da laughed at her and said “Bitch, I have an OSCAR…hell I’mma play your ASSISTANT for?” With that said, I’ll probably go see the movie to revel in the farcical nonsense that is SATC…

28 05 2008
Esquire

@Sister:

Girl, why did she have to combine the two? Or better yet…PUT MORE BLACK PEOPLE IN THE MOVIE.

Have one be in charge of something. dayum. And then have another as an assistant. Then I would not be so snooty about it. But would it have really killed Screamface and her associates to cast more blacks????

28 05 2008
Sister Toldja

@ Esquire- Interesting attitude. I think there IS a lack of men for us EBW. But in all those movies, don’t all the women end up happily ever after anyway? Something New bothered me because the Black family was so uppity, they made it seem like all objections to the White man were because of his class, not his race. Were they afraid to put it out there that there ARE Black people who wouldn’t want a White person marrying in to their family?

Bailey-Remember when we went to see that? We was cheering “Pick the Black man! He fine! He got a good job!” LOOOOOL!

28 05 2008
Sister Toldja

@ Esq- I can see that too. But on the flip, as I have said before….the story of MY life would include very few Whites, so I can’t expect them to include me in theirs.

28 05 2008
keiranzma

*sigh* Let’s not forget the mammyliciousness of Whoopi Goldberg in “Ghost.” That movie made me want to burrow my own eyes out of the sockets and chuck them at the screen. I have no idea why it disturbed me so, but it did…

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

Gladiator!!!!@ Knat…STOP FUCKIN PLAYIN!!! toddlers in that movie? thats just a hot mess! NO wonder we have these kids in Middle School killing each other, because when they were 2-3 they were exposed to movies like Glatiator and Tom Cruise on Oprah. ahha Oh yea who was it that was talking about Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian? that was a cool as movie I saw it on Friday. That boy who plays the prince is too cute!

28 05 2008
Sister Toldja

And I’d rather her play a 22 year old assistant who may grow up to be the next Carrie B, than to have a 40 year sassy woman who is a career assistant following behing Carries bony ass.

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

ST-@ Esquire- Interesting attitude. I think there IS a lack of men for us EBW. But in all those movies, don’t all the women end up happily ever after anyway? Something New bothered me because the Black family was so uppity, they made it seem like all objections to the White man were because of his class, not his race. Were they afraid to put it out there that there ARE Black people who wouldn’t want a White person marrying in to their family?

heh sound like my family..my grandma, her sisters, my uncles and aunts ect hate the fact my mom got re-married to a white man. They believe that he is lower than our family because of his job and education. In our family if you didnt go to college you aint shit, if you married out if the race of black or latino they will secretly and in your face hate on you. And its worse for the women in this family than for the men, My uncle married a korean woman and they praise him but when my parents go married they threaten my dad on thier wedding day tryign to get him out of marrying my mother.

28 05 2008
Yonnie3k

Esquire – its not a stereotype, its simple math sweetie. I did a few quick Google searches. Here are my findings:

– The U.S. Census Bureau estimates there are about 5 million black men in America between the ages of 20 and 39

– 16 percent of black men in their twenties who were not college students were either in jail or in prison

– [2004]… black men make up 41 percent of the inmates in federal state, and local prison, but black men are only 4 percent of all students in American institutions of higher education

-At black colleges, the ratio of women to men is 7 to 1 [Nov. 2004]

– marriage rates among black women remain low. Only about 30 percent of black women are living with a spouse, according to the Census Bureau, compared with about 49 percent of Hispanic women, 55 percent of non-Hispanic white women and more than 60 percent of Asian women.

– Incomes have increased among both black and white families in the past three decades…But the increase was greater among whites, according to the study being released Tuesday….One reason for the growing disparity: Incomes among black men have actually declined in the past three decades, when adjusted for inflation. They were offset only by gains among black women.

Now if you want to be mad about the myriad of complex REASONS that these statistics are true, I am right there with you. But don’t be mad at Sanaa Lathan!! I LOVE HER (along with Madea).

In case you were wondering, this is NOT what The Man pays me to do at work all day and again…I REFUSE to let this site get me fired!!

28 05 2008
Monie

What about the Black films that mock Black women. There’s Madea, Norbit, Big Momma’s House, etc. Hollywood loves making these films. And apparently a lot of Black people love them too. At least many seem to love Madea. I personally don’t get it. Madea is nothing but a bunch of stereotypes in one charactor.

If you want to make sure that a Black film gets made by Hollywood, put a Black male actor playing a Black woman in it and it will get a quick greenlight.

28 05 2008
Dustin

ST, what is “Peanut Butter Marshmello Chocolate Chip Cassarole?” That sounds delicious. Do you have a recipe?

On the aside: Also, what is it with movies/tv shows casting blacks as judges? Like giving some poor, struggling, black actor a supporting role in a position of power (where they mainly just yell and look angry for their six seconds of airtime) will make up for everything. You’d swear every judge in the U.S.A. was black. This is sooooo not the case.

What what.

28 05 2008

I so freakin’ agree…great topic!

btw…I loved love jones!

28 05 2008
Monie

Dustin,

Don’t forget about the angry Black police captain in about 900 films. Lol

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

I freakin love Dustin lol
ST, what is “Peanut Butter Marshmello Chocolate Chip Cassarole?” That sounds delicious. Do you have a recipe?

that does sound good..hey do you like reeses? I have a recipe for a reeses pie and i swear it didnt last but 4 days in this house haah

28 05 2008
The Stepfather of Soul

@ Dustin – and don’t forget police chiefs and school principals.

28 05 2008

MADEA IRKS ME TO NO END!

28 05 2008

SO DOES CEDRICS CHARACTER IN BARBERSHOP. THEY COULD HAVE PUT IN THE DAD FROM FRIDAY… OR A REAL FUNNY OLD BLACK MAN!!!

THE WORST LINE IN MOVIE HISTORY…

“OJ DED ET!” This makes me want to puke everytime!

28 05 2008
Shine

Haven’t read all the comments but did someone mention all the movies where the white kid goes into the black neighborhood and gets picked on but then learns how to be just black enough to go back and do something white with a “black” twist to it so they win something. And all the black people think that kid is cool now. I really wish someone did a movie about the reverse. A black kid in an all white school that learns how to act white and then comes to a hip hop competition and does some ballet moves. People would fucking flip because its crazy racist. But NO ONE mentions how crazy racist it is the other way around. Which is why I will never see Save the Last Dance and why I got pissed off at that other hiphop genre movie where they managed to do this racist shit without actually including black people. Some white boy was the hip hop dancer who the white girl fell for. Some bull shit.

28 05 2008
Monie

reeses pie…..oh my…(falls into diabetic coma)

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

Yonnie, I read the same shit and black ppl want to get mad at the different stereotypes they see in black films and tv, when the shit is real. When I got arrested the 1st in my life when i was 17 for fighting they sent us on a jail tour i guess to scare us straight. That shit was no joke espcially in Jax Florida. We went to the womans floor and that ish was raw when we passed their common room. All you saw was nothing but black faces and a few whites and latino. Shit was scary walking passed them banging on the glass windows yelling “fresh meat” or” im getting that one in the red shirt”, I was wearing the red shirt. I was like OH FUCK THISS!!! never got in to trouble again.

Now I live in Upper Marlboro near the court house and jail/prison. That joint is no joke either.. I was walking my dog with my man and we actually passed the yard…and all you saw were black men scattered around in there howling at me as we walked passed to the tennis courts.

As for black gettign higher education..SMH..1/2 my graduating class in highschool was black the ones that i thought were smart and got good grades and was bound to go to a good college are living with their parents, working bullshit jobs. Its like damn…what happened…now when i catch up with my old friends 1/2 of them are pregnant or have kids its a damn shame.

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

Monie hahaha hell yea….eyes glazed over and everything.. I seriously thought we were gonna die when we took our 1st few bite its magicllllllllllyyy delicious!!!!

28 05 2008
Knatural

Random: if they made a movie about the life of Barack Obama, that dude that was in Five Heartbeats, Matrix II, and Ray – Harry Lennix – could play Obama as an adult.
Sometimes I play this game I made up called ‘Name That Black Actor’ when I see a movie with the same actors in it who aren’t household names; examples – Clifton Powell (was in Ray, Dead Presidents, Menace II Society), Joe Morton, dude with the mole (was in Terminator 2, on A Different World, American Gangster, Ali). I watch these movies and say, “dude’s in everything, what’s his name?”

28 05 2008
B4Prez

LMAO@ TNT for the comment about the tragic negro dancer movies. I was crying about that being the ONLY way out of the hood. LMAO.

This was a good post. I have this argument with friends, (and a lot of people who don’t care) all of the time, so it’s nice to see that I’m not the only blacky tired of the “SPLABOOS” (ask Micheal Jackson), in black entertainment.

The biggest factor is that blacks in meaningful lead roles will not happen at the hands of white Hollywood. Whites aren’t sitting around saying, “I’d never go see a black film”, it’s just that THEY DON’T HAVE TO. They have every type of story you’d want to see at the movies and on tv — with white people! Why would they want to go see the black version of “Cat on a Hot Tin Roof” when they can go see the white version anytime? And it’s the famous “it didn’t do well at the box office” or, “it didn’t do well in the ratings”, that keeps blacks off of the screen.

Then, there’s the unspoken rule that once you’re an EBP, you have to lump all black film and tv in with Flavor of Love. Just because we don’t get anything Academy Award bound, doesn’t mean that simple romantic comedies and family films are terrible black films.

We’ve gotten so much black garbage on film and television over the years that we have decided to not even give a black project a chance and check it out. For instance, “The Game” on the CW (half of you’ll are all ready over it because its the CW and not NBC) is the best sitcom with a predominately black cast in God knows how long, but they’re constantly faced with being cancelled because, not only will whites not watch it, neither will blacks. Unless all of the black characters are EBPs, then EBPs are over it.

Tyler Perry’s success can have a huge affect on the future of “good black cinema”. Eventhough he may not be in a race to the Oscars, and you may even hate his films (not enough EBP issues), as the industry starts to realize that blacks will come out and see things that aren’t coontastic, TP can be the first Black man to truly call his own shots and in turn, green-light the numerous Black projects which Hollywood continues to tell us are “not black enough” or “bankable”.

**Sorry that I wrote a term paper on here, lol.

28 05 2008
Merri Lee

Movie that flips the script on black students saved by white teacher – Finding Forrester

Remakes that flip the racial script – The Manchurian Candidate and The Nutty Professor (obviously, the latter I could do without)

Why are people eager to call a black movie the “black version of_________,” but you never hear, eg, That Thing You Do! was a white5 Heartbeats?

Can someone please tell me what this movie is about?

BTW, do NOT do an IMDB search of “Africa”

Sorry for rattling off a bunch or random sh!t – I’m trying to “work” here 😀

28 05 2008
Cheekie

LOL @ Joe Morton in all those films. EVERYtime I see him, I’m all “There’s the Senator that Whitley dissed for Dwayne A Different World!”. Baby PLEAAASSSSE!!

28 05 2008
blackberry molasses

@ Shine Haven’t read all the comments but did someone mention all the movies where the white kid goes into the black neighborhood and gets picked on but then learns how to be just black enough to go back and do something white with a “black” twist to it so they win something. And all the black people think that kid is cool now.

I was trying to figure out why all those types of movies pissed me off so much…

Bring It On is one of the WORST offenders– besides the fact that it was just foolish, I actually saw something like this happen in real life when I was teaching in STL.
My close friend was the coach of our cheerleading squad and she was teaching the girls to step and cheer … tell me WHY I saw the white cheerleading team from Ladue High School looking like a bunch of AKAs… LAWD!

28 05 2008
Sister Toldja

Why do Black people and White people always have to have some ‘magical’ relationship? Black man saves de White foks, White teacher saves the Black gangsta kids….isn’t there some space where we just co-exist without some dramatic reason for being around one another?

Thank you Yonnie! I need those stats on the back of my buisness card, so the next time someone tries to tell me that shit is a myth I can be like “Says WHO” and whip it out.

Dustin- you just like everything I mention….you sure you don’t just like me? 😉

28 05 2008
NotBlonde

The Mexican is about an revolver and the mob and someone running away from the law…I forget exactly.

28 05 2008
Sister Toldja

Off-topic: they had a Creole pageant in Louisiana! AHAHAHAH: http://sandrarose.com/2008/05/28/reader-of-the-month-pyt_504/

28 05 2008
NotBlonde

I was about to be mad about Tropic Thunder and then I read what it was actually about and now it just seems silly and funny to me. Robert Downey Jr. isn’t playing a black guy. He’s playing a crazy method actor who goes under a “controversial procedure” to dye his skin brown so he can play a black character in an action movie.

The whole movie is supposed to riff on actors and the movie-making process.

28 05 2008
Yonnie3k

LOL @knat – my favorite actor to see in movies is Delroy Lindo (Crooklyn, Domino, Romeo Must Die). That is a hard working dude and he does NOT get enough shine.

28 05 2008
Cola

My biggest issue with the movies is the experience itself. I love black people but cmon!! Why do we insist on bringing our kids with us to see rated R movies? The movie is rated for a reason. Please get a babysitter or go to the freaking drive in! I can vividly remember watching Candyman and hearing a little boy telling his mom he was scared. I know he was scared because I was too and I was 15 (yes, I scare easy)! And don’t get me started on all the damn talking and carrying on during the movie!

28 05 2008
Mr. Smith

Case in point only to add to the argument…

Hattie McDaniel, although the oscar winner, was not even allowed to attend the Oscar ceremony to accept her award.

Black people, are ALWAYS getting killed in horror movies either first, or just at the end just when you think brothaman is about to survive all the madness.

Halle Berry had to get fucked in the butt by Billy Bob Thorton and Denzel Washington had to get beat up by Ethan Hawke, THEN mowed down by russians in order for them to win their oscars.

Fuck hollywood. The only black actor that gets any type of real lead roles is Will Smith. Even then, he got killed by a buncha undead WHITE people in order to save a WHITE woman and her WHITE son and now in his next movie (it still looks funny as hell) he’s bout to get beat up by a WHITE superwoman….

28 05 2008
Knatural

Oh my god! Candyman was scary! I wasn’t even allowed to see R-rated movies, though, eventually, me and my friends would sneak in or ask a random adult to purchase the tickets, which today shocks me that a stranger would do that. Today’s rating system seems different though. Today’s PG-13 is pretty vulgar compared to circa 1992.

28 05 2008
B4Prez

Clifton Powell def takes the crown for “Mr. D-List Black Film”. He’s been holdin’ that one down since the early 1990’s when every1 was saying he looked like a bootleg Eddie Murphy. That brotha stays on the grind, and he can’t even get a Soul Train Award nomination, lol.

28 05 2008
Esquire

Yonnie3K: I stand corrected.

Maybe I was just lucky to find a good black man. Maybe I was just lucky to know and love my father. Maybe it is just me that has an educated family that consists of both females and males.

I will admit, it may be hard. But is it not hard for a woman of any race to find a good man??? Why is it okay to just blame black men for everything? I STILL think that Black Women give black men a loooot harder time than we should. I’m not talking about ex con, no child support payin, GED educated men. I mean real good ones who go to church and have good credit that we consider lame.

My problem with the Sanaa Lathan character (Not her girllll I loveeeee her) is that there are good black men. Why cant we see movies like that?? Why must everyone bash our men. NO WONDER so many think all they can be is the next DMX, Carmelo Anthony, or gang banger. Its not simply entertainment. If those are the only images you SEE, these are the things that you will subconciously BELIEVE about yourself.

Yes I am complaining as a consumer because I am not a movie maker. I cant just go out and make a damn movie.

28 05 2008
miss kate

sorry I’m late, but I am DYING at Sista Toldja’s image of Sam Jackon as day laborer. I keep imagining him hanging around some half-deserted set on a studio lot early in the AM, waiting to be picked up for the day.

28 05 2008
rai

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i love u. . . that is all.

28 05 2008
Sister Toldja

Esq- Can you please run down this list of movies where Black men are made to look soooo scarce? It isn’t the movies that make Black men look like they are absent, it is the statstics. It is the experiences of most single, educated sisters. I know and love my father, as do most of my friends, btw.

How are we giving Black men too much flack if the stats and experiences show us time and time and time again that there are less of them to go around? That is just a known fact at this point. And we STILL have to cope with gender politics and issues that all women face, atop of our oppression and the lack of men. I raise a glass to you for finding a good one, cause that’s like finding a needle in a haystack.

28 05 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

“Like some other poster said, you can find/see racism everywhere if you keep looking for it (whether it exists or not). Must be exhausting.”

I am aware of this; I am not a fucking nine year old.

Being exhausted is what I do. It’s the hallmark of the overachiever. Take it.

28 05 2008
rai

lol@ hallmark of an overachiever

28 05 2008
Muse

Mainstream Hollywood films will never give Black people decent roles unless they are playing the Magical Negro, the Sidekick, or the Angry youth who needs guidance for the great White hope. Some of the black films that you’ve mentioned are also getting old because the same storylines and the same actors (i.e. Gabrielle Union, Morris Chestnut, Nia Long, Sanaa Lathan etc.) are being played out. In an ideal world I would love to see the movie about PEOPLE not about subliminal messages on racial stereotypes. That is probably why I have such an affinity for Sci-fi films because usually if there is a black person in the movie, they aren’t getting dicked over or forced to play the role of that funny/loud/angry Black person.

I also recommend for anyone who is tired of mainstream Hollywood, to check out independent films. The stories are usually very interesting and thought provoking. Some of the best films I’ve ever seen were from unknown directors/actors. The performances were raw and the characters were believable. One of my all time favorite movies is Once Were Warriors which is about A family descended from Maori warriors who deal with the struggles of daily life and lost culture.

28 05 2008
Sue

@Mr Smith.

Hattie McDaniel, although the oscar winner, was not even allowed to attend the Oscar ceremony to accept her award.

Are you sure you’re right about this? I definitely remember watching her acceptance speech @ the Oscars. There is footage of this. Now whether she actually had a seat in the audience is a different story.

28 05 2008
Sister Toldja

Sue, maybe she snuck in with a mop and bucket?

28 05 2008
Knatural

What is an EBP anyway? Does one qualify is they didn’t attend college? Is it about status? Maybe I shouldn’t care 😀

28 05 2008
Yonnie3k

Esquire – Its not just you that knows and loves your father and comes from an educated family, as do I. However, when you look at the black family as a whole, we are definitely the exception and not the rule. Another not-so-fun fact:

– 70% of Black children are born into single-parent, female-headed households

BTW – Does your man have any single good black man friends? Holla!

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

who else hates Hallmark movies…if i see another one i swear i will pluck my eyeballs out and toss them over my fence dammit. If I see another “black” movie with Megan Good in it I’m going to scream bloody murder..i cant fucking stand her ass…If I another Mel Gibson movie i dunno what I’ll do hahah but a whole lotta white ppl thinking Jesus was a white man is gonna die.

That is all…

28 05 2008
Esquire

Aw Man, Sister you are like my Internet best friend.

I just want you to come down here and meet a real southern gentleman. One who likes hoppin johns and opening the car door.

Im not saying you all arent right about there being less and less good black men. I guess what makes me mad about that good woman/no good men stereotype is that there are lot of Michelle and Baracks in this country. A lot of people never see these images. I had a really hard time when I went to South Africa hearing that they truly believe all those coon images of us they see. All men leave their families, we are all on welfare (except for the rappers and ball players)

Why must just the negative images be portrayed, even if they are the truth? I think its okay to show the truth, but show the entire truth. There are a lot of good educated brothers.

I just wish that I could see more of it. Maybe if we saw more of that, it would be “cool” to go to college. It would be “cool” to marry someone. Damn at least we saw an African King and Queen in Coming to America.

I will defer back to the convo you and I had during (straight hair?…maybe not) Whatever it was. I just think that a lot of women, not necessarily you, but a lot of women cry there aint no good men. But they dont want a good man. They want someone with rims, lots of cash, and big builds. We can’t all have Terry McMillian story book lives. That short ass nerdy brotha might treat you like a queen.

I stand firm in my support of black men. They dont all act right and a lot of just damn trifling, but I think many catch a hell of a hard time from us too. They get beat up on by every other race, I just cant do it. I hold them responsible for wrong actions (y’all know I am down with the Cos), but instead of just looking at the negative statistics and telling my son that this is how he will prolly end up, I would like to say look at Daddy, look at Pres. Obama, look at all these GOOD men…thats what you will be. I just cant stand to see one side portrayed.

BTW if it makes anyone feel better, I also hate almost every Queen Latifah ghetto, neck rolling role she has had. But for all the ghetto roles, at LEAST we have a fair amount of educated women roles.

28 05 2008
Esquire

Yonnie,
you come on down too. Its some good brothas down here. If you arent offended by someone who likes chitlins or who doesnt “get” NY rap come on!!

28 05 2008
ishouldbeworking

For everyone who hates “teacher movies” To Sir With Love is the ultimate in the genre. Google it and put it in your Netflix queue. It came out in the US 1967 and takes place in London. It stars Sidney Portier and he “saves” a group of white kids (only one student in the class is black). It’s really good.

Like several others I thought ADW mirroed real HBCU life and I too wanted to go to Hillman. After watching a marathon this weekend my sister said to me that she’d gone to two HBCUs in two states and none of the ADW stuff ever happened to her.

I looked at the SATC article on Bossip and why does it look like JHud’s wardrobe consists completely of clothing from Sarah Jessica Parker’s $19.99 or less Bitten clothing line. The movie is supposed to be about fashioin and they have ol’ girl looking rough!

I’ve never seen Love Jones and will be returing my Black card immediately.

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

Um Sue are you sure that was her and not a white woman in black face?

28 05 2008
Christina

Mr. Smith: Hattie McDaniel was at the Academy Award Ceremony to accept her Oscar. I’ve seen the footage of her acceptance speech on television numerous times.

28 05 2008
Muse

Yesterday I was on the Stormfront message boards reading reviews on 300. (Don’t ask me why but I get a kick out reading the ridiculous comments made by delusional White Supremacist). Anyway they were all raving about how wonderful and accurate 300 the movie was. They felt that 300 was an analogy of how the Great White man was fighting against minority heathens trying to pollute their Aryan values by tainting society with their culture.

28 05 2008
Esquire

Chris it makes me giggle when you say “take it” at the end of your posts.

lol

28 05 2008
Yonnie3k

Esquire – I’m a southern girl. I’m from FL and I live in Atlanta. Where are you?

28 05 2008
Esquire

SC

Do you like ATL? We got to the baseball games down there a lot.(oooohhhh Sorry Chris)

How do you survive with all those gay black men?

28 05 2008
B4Prez

LOL@Sister Toldja and that “Hattie and the mop bucket” comment. You wrong for that 1.

@KNatural – My opinion of an “EBP” is a black person who wishes there was another box to check so that they didn’t have to check black on the questionnaire, lol. You know, a black person who “made it out of the hood”, so to speak. They’re often what’s referred to as “black elite”; have professional parents, went to country day school, jack n jill, cotillions and participated in other activities where they threw rocks at the “non-elite” blacks to keep them away.

28 05 2008
ishouldbeworking

Oh and everytime someone mentioned Ghost Dog I thought of Ghost Dad! Both Sidney Portier and Mr. Cosby should be ashamed of themselves for that one.

28 05 2008
Muse

Esquire,

To piggyback off your comment, there are a lot of Black women with issues, and they take out their anger, anxiety, and disappointment out on Black men. Sadly Black films have added to the propaganda playing on these stereotypes by having storylines dealing with the angry Black professional woman who is very attractive but for some damn reason all the men she meets are cheating dogs who reproduce with random women without a purpose. My belief is that there are good and bad apples in over group. I also believe that if a woman keeps attracting shitty men then perhaps there is something about her that smells like garbage. No one ever wants to do an honest self evaluation as to why certain patterns keep occurring in their lives.

BTW the movie that makes my blood pressure go up is “Baby Boy.”

28 05 2008
B4Prez

And to those who thought they were gonna get ADW @ HBCUs, you’ll know those HBCU blacks were too busy puttin on fashion n car shows in their couture and BMW’s that daddy bought them to go protest something…unless of course it was a protest to keep the ‘lowly’, minimum-wage blacks from associating with them.

28 05 2008
Yonnie3k

I disagree with B4Prez’s definition of an EBP. I think an EBP is anyone that felt it in their bones when Chris Rock’s said, “I LOVE black people, but I HATE ni@@as!”

28 05 2008
Sue

Okay I’ve only recently liked TP’s work. That’s mostly because his background is Theatre….Big Momma Style. I HATE THOSE PLAYS!!!! If I see another play that begins with the word “Momma”, I swear I will go postal! Grrrr Arrrggh!

28 05 2008
ishouldbeworking

Co-signing on Baby Boy despite not ever seeing it in it’s entirety. The thing that irks me most about this movie is the following exchange that occured between my friend and her 3 year old twin daughters.

*Snoop appears on TV in a commercial or something*
Twin 1: Mama, who’s that man?
Mom: I don’t know baby.
Twin 2: Yes you do! That’s the man who killed Jody!

Which goes back to what previous posters have said about letting kids watch inappropriate movies.

28 05 2008
Esquire

Did Jody get killed? I tried to block that movie out of my memory…I will NEVER get those two hours back.

28 05 2008
Sue

@ Yonnie,

I think an EBP is anyone that felt it in their bones when Chris Rock’s said, “I LOVE black people, but I HATE ni@@as!”

Never was a statement more true!!!!

28 05 2008
PrettyPiscesGirl

That short ass nerdy brotha might treat you like a queen.

Esq…if only this creature existed. I had a tall ass nerdy one for a minute…but we were not meant to be. Been looking for another like him ever since…

28 05 2008
Knatural

Thanks B4Prez. Is that why SEBPL sucks? I sort of agree with Yonnie but it’s the ‘E’ in EBP that bothers me. What does education constitute? Because there are a lot of idiots out here who matriculated at the finest universities.
Sue – I hate those ‘Momma’ plays, too, because people think it’s real theatre. It’s a bunch of over-acting, scream-singing about the same stale backward garbage. But, I guess it’s what Folks relate to. Gimme Shakespeare at the Carter Barron.
Baby Boy was only good for the love-scene. Tyrese’s body is soooo chocolatey!

28 05 2008
ishouldbeworking

Esquire I have no idea if Jody got killed since I’ve never seen it all the way through. Maybe I misquoted and the child actually said “the man who shot Jody!” Either wayno 3 year old should know the particulars of this movie.

28 05 2008
Esquire

lol True True.
And you name is so true…on that note…

28 05 2008
B4Prez

@ Yonnie, I was being saracastic. I just hate how so many EBPs feel the need to disassociate with anything ‘black’, so to speak. Like all of a sudden, Tiger Woods comes on the scene, and black guys can’t play a game of basketball anymore. I mean, damn, did my degree come with a basketball and soul food cease and desist letter?

28 05 2008
Sister Toldja

I definitely feel you, Esquire. And, though I am upset that my chances of marrying a brother are not what they SHOULD be, I do recognize that there are good ones out there. Michele and Barack live around my way (well, where I grew up) and I saw a lot of couples like them- educated, uneducated, balling, broke, etc. I may have to come down South and find one of these gentlemen you speak of, cause the “sons” out East are a mess! 😉

28 05 2008
Yonnie3k

Knat, are you talking about the domestic violence scene turned love scene? I’m not hating, I’m just asking. Sadly, I love that movie. I just wish Tupac had lived to play Jody (among a long list of things I wish Tupac had lived to accomplish – namely, make his Detriot Red to Malcolm X transformation).

28 05 2008
shabooty

q) Why’d The Little Mermaid never get re-made into The Lil’ Murrmizzle?

a) Black Mermaids Can’t Swim
b) Instead of being in the ocean, she’d be too busy being on the Minnesota Vikings party boat.
c) She ain’t unda da sea, she unda da c-note…strippin’. (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=c-note).

$

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

hahha Jody got killed..naw I have seen that movie more than I wanted to and JOdy never died but Snoop did at the end. The movie was wack and the only entertain part was when Ving knocked Tyrese tha fuck outttt and body slammed him to the ground also the seen where Tyrese goes int he kitchen to find Ving butt ass naked cooking breakfast.

28 05 2008
Yonnie3k

There was a scene when Jody got shot, but it was just a daydream.

28 05 2008
Startariot

LMAO, Sam jackson being a day laborer. That is so true. Man am I sick of him being in EVERYTHING and rarely anything of actual substance. At this point he’s just paying the bills and showing up on any set.

Someone mentioned Megan Good earlier.. I hate that girl she’s become the automatic default black movie “love interest”. I’ve hated her acting since Eve’s Bayou. Did anyone read that Essence article which featured Sanaa, Gabrielle Union and Nia Long? They lamented over the fact that there really aren’t a wide variety of roles for black actresses these days and Gabrielle Union herself admitted that she could gladly be doing romantic urban comedies for the rest of her life but she’ll never grow as an actress. It seems the only lead role on tv for a black woman with high ratings these days is fuckin I Love New York..ugh.

What really needs to die is this genre of black man playing fat, loud, sterotypical black woman. (Martin, Eddie, Tyler I’m talking to you.) These are the most offensive. Did you know Norbit was actually Oscar-nominated (*gasp!*) for best makeup..I had to laugh at that.

Now while I despise most movies made about Africans which center around a white hero protagonist, I loved The Last King of Scotland, I’m surprised that hasn’t been mentioned yet. Forest Whitaker was incredible and the Scottish guy, James McAvoy wasn’t really a protagonist as he was pretty much just as flawed as Idi Amin in the movie and got his comeuppance. Plus the soundtrack to that movie was excellent. For a really good black film you guys should check out “Tsotsi”. South African with subtitles got the Oscar for best foreign film a couple years back. Incredibly moving and great acting.

Great topic Chris! Love this blog and all the commenters. 😀

28 05 2008
Knatural

AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHDDAASHAHHAAKLAHAHA
The answer is a)
Not because she can’t, but because she won’t. Can’t get that weave wet! Yes Yonnie! Potential Domestic abuse turned Beat-It-Up Session, the only proper way to release aggression.
‘300’, though racist, has a great love-scene, too. I was disappointed in the love-scene in ‘Miami Vice’. Jamie Foxx basically just laid on top of her. No waist-action? C’mon.

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

q) Why’d The Little Mermaid never get re-made into The Lil’ Murrmizzle?

a) Black Mermaids Can’t Swim
b) Instead of being in the ocean, she’d be too busy being on the Minnesota Vikings party boat.
c) She ain’t unda da sea, she unda da c-note…strippin’. (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=c-note).

$

I was waiting for Shababy’s random ass smh…

28 05 2008
Sue

I wish Tupac had lived to accomplish – namely, make his Detriot Red to Malcolm X transformation).

I thought I was the only one who saw that Tupac was going through a “transformation” when he was killed. I have had many an argument with people over this. I just wonder what he would’ve been like when he “became”.

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

ahhaa @ Knat wanting waist action in Miami Vice Love scene…too funny..that movie was aight but it was still wack ass shit.

SMH@ Beat-It-Up Session

28 05 2008
B4Prez

@Knatural: The issue with the ‘E’ in EBP is that typically, this group values text-book education above all else. Regardless of what anyone says, one of the most common traits among this group is the constant worry of what the YTs(Whites) think about black folks; constantly trying to convince them that we Blacks are not all alike.

And personally, I love SEBPL because they poke fun at the “checklist” of what an UEBP has to do to become a card carrying member of the EBPs.

And last, you’re on your own with the Shakespeare part. Just because I don’t wanna go see Leon and Shirley Murdock in “Mama Pass the Chitlins” after Sunday service doesn’t mean I want to go see a group of white ppl in “Romeo and Juliet”. Elitist 16th-century English is just as bad to hear and see as early 20th-century Jim Crow speech…..if u ask me.

28 05 2008
Muse

Well in Hollywood there can only be one hot Black Actress at a time. Right now it’s Halle Berry but she is slowly falling off the map. Actresses like Zoe Saldana, Kerry Washington, and Jurnee Smollett are have the potiential to have Halle Berry success because they are starting to gain acceptance in mainstream (white) audiences.

BTW Gabrielle Union sucks as an actress, that is why she gets the same ole roles.

28 05 2008
Dustin

It makes me do more than “giggle” when Chris says “take it” in his posts.

Hattie McDaniel was at the Oscars.

All black movies are definitely NOT in the same category as Flava of Love. (That show was entertaining though; I can’t lie. And it really didn’t “degrade” anyone so much as showed a bit of a certain person’s kind of lifestyle.)

I may, in fact, be in love with slash afraid of ST.

Mrs Epps, I used to LOVE Reese’s. However I could never eat a “Reese’s pie” now. See Chris’ earlier “Homophobes” post:

Figure 2: Gay dudes are having all of this.

28 05 2008
Muse

B4Prez I consider myself an EBP and the last thing I care about is how whites perceive me. My definition of an EBP is someone who is aware of what is going on in the world culturally, economically, and politically. An EBP should have a degree however the exception would be an individual who may not have a college degree but is still upwardly mobile (i.e. entrepreneur).

28 05 2008
Sister Toldja

Shabooty- I am most offended by that. Why would you post the definition of C-note? We know what that shit means?

28 05 2008
rai

umerah. . . how come every time someone has to “stand up for the black man” do folks pawn his issues of on the next person. . .

-black man is mad/sucks because the white man keeps him out of the work force
-black man is mad/sucks because black woman is always bashing him. . .

I mean as an adult, I find it more offensive when folks patronize me and give me some contrived excuse/reason as to why I am mad/upset/unsuccessful/etc. “its okay that it took her 5 years to graduate college, she is black, at least she went & graduated”. wtf.

I guess I just feel like if black man leaves his baby hungry and cold, he is trash. just like I blame him for fawkin a low-quality high mileage broad without a condom. I just am all about holding folks accountable. . . this “blame it on the next man” logic assumes that every black dude is a good man inside but he has just been shafted by the white man at work and verbally abused by the black woman at home. like cut it out. . . some folks just aren’t shyt. lol it’s not the fault of the next person. some niggas don’t take care of their kids because they are lazy & just don’t give a damn. some black dudes just don’t have jobs because they are too lazy to get one/don’t have the soft skills to succeed in the service industry/get a job and always come in late. lol!!!!!!

now don’t get it twisted, I love black men (even the dumb ones because they are eye candy) but still. . . i wish folks would just stop blaming everyone else for the hardships and in turn the failure of some black men.

disclaimer: by no means am I saying that there aren’t black women out here who aren’t hard on black men or white men that don’t hire them simply because they are black. . . but not everyone white CEO is a racist and not every single black mother is an overbearing matriarch.

back to the topic: I agree. most “black movies” are ass. . . sorry. the wood, soul food, etc are all the same movie. black man cheats, black woman gets mad, black woman gets told to “be easy” and settle down like she is a riled up puppy and lower her standards and deal with cheating man, black man learns no lessons, repeats in next “black” film. . . not a racist, but “girlfriends” was NOT the black sex in the city. take the L and just watch sex in the city, it was better and it doesn’t have the Baby Ross’s insanely scary eyes in it. sidenote: I am NOT seeing the sex in the city movie, nor am I running to steve and barry’s to buy slim’s clothes. . . just don’t give a damn. I didn’t see star wars (which was supposed to be like the marker for this generation or some shyt) and that is more important than this movie, so u won’t catch me at hoffman squeezed up next to some broad who claims to hate white woman but secretly inside loves them & the bullshyt lives they lead (exhibit a: juicy couture/7 for all mankind/joe’s jeans, NONE of which were made for anyone with ANY type of behind, exhibit b: those little froo froo overpriced dogs that do nothing to cause my allergies to act up, exhibit c: the whole rock and roll craze in the black community, exhibit d: pretending to the “white black girl” knowin damn well u are hood and don’t even KNOW any white girls in real life, so they imitate the broads they see on the hills. . .)

those black plays: only one that was decent was “why did I get married”. a man dressed up like a gun toting cursing mammie isn’t funny. fat black man in little neon suits is also not funny, nor is the frail little lightskin depiction of a chick that is always gettin beat on and abused by her big black baby daddy/boyfriend. . . difference between these “comedies”/plays and the ones in the 1800s & early 1900s???? blackface. . .

28 05 2008
shabooty

’cause most of ya’ll are sawbuck-hoes.

jk
s-

28 05 2008
rai

another thing. . . the only “hot black actresses” are the ones that look white. . . lol

28 05 2008
Dustin

Every white CEO is a racist. See “Subtle Racism I.”

28 05 2008
SoCalGal420

B4Prez: HA! “…soul food cease and desist letter…”; you must be like me and find yourself feeling like douche of the year ordering edamame and cucumber rolls when you know damn well you want a greasy ass, crispy ass chicken drumstick, but since are a cubicle slave and eat at your desk, know all the white cunts around you will be looking at you, judging, thinking “there that nigga goes…”:) I’m paranoid living here in Seattle, clearly!
As for “Black cinema”, Spike Lee is about the only thing I can sit through over and over with positivity until I saw “Something New” which shocks me that Chris didn’t go harpoon the shit outta that movie, but what I liked is that it used the white guy’s character to show how fucked up Black men’s attitudes are towards us IN GENERAL, REGARDING SPECIFIC ISSUES. (I’m referring to the “weave” vs. “real hair” issue, and that the movie basically showed that the White guy LOVED her “natural” hair, but the Black man, the one she “should” be with, told her how she should “wear it long again” after taking out her extensions; I’m a “rainbow taster” and can verify that this is in fact true!)
All I’ll say about TP and the “Big Black Momma” movies is that the “Family Reunion” movie really amplified for me this whole Southern Black, light-skinned, cotillion attending, private school pedigree crap! Blah! Not only that but Blair Underwood beats the shit outta ‘ol light chick (sorry, don’t know the lovely lady’s name!) showing the whole “dark man, light girl trophy”, which can be argued as self-hatred, obsession with “whitey”, classism, etc. Otherwise TP can take his down low ass somewhere and SIDDOWN!

28 05 2008
Knatural

AHAHAHAHAHAHA@”now don’t get it twisted, I love black men (even the dumb ones because they are eye candy)” – Rai
And yeah, that chick from Girlfriends needs an eye reduction.

28 05 2008
Yonnie3k

I LOVE Jurnee Smollett! I have ever since her Hangin’ With Mr. Cooper days. Remember when she and her siblings had their own show? I’m so glad that it looks like she’s about to blow up. She hasn’t taken and bootleg roles. Shut up! I loved Roll Bounce. I cried at Bow Wow’s emotional scene.

Best beat it up (not love) scene: DMX in Belly.

28 05 2008
Muse

SoCalGal, Tyler Perry films tend to demonize dark skin Black men in his movies with the exception of Daddy’s Girls starring Idris Elba.

In a lot of his movies, there is the angry emotionally disturbed l Black woman looking for fulfillment in her romantic life. The darkie Black man that she is with is a scumbag, but as she grows spiritually she finds her prince charming (i.e. Captain Save a Hoe) who happens to be a light skin brotha… LOL

28 05 2008
Yonnie3k

Movie who’s portrayal of a black man disgusted me the most: Disappearing Acts!!

If you didn’t have HBO IN 2000, you may have missed it. This was Sanaa Lathan and Wesley Snipes in the movie version of Terry McMillan’s book of the same name. Anyone who read the book first was as disgusted as I was. The book presented a complex picture of a man who made poor choices early in life but was struggling to clean up his act by going to school, following his ambitions, . The movie showed a worthless man who has kids, does nothing for them, and is only good for a screw. More good beat it up scenes by the way. But the character in the movie (who you hated) was nothing like the character in the book (who you empathized with).

28 05 2008
Knatural

OOOOO Yonnie, DMX Beat That oily chick UP in Belly! *fans self* *may go home early now* And Roll Bounce was cute, though Bow Wow cried like a bitch.

28 05 2008
shabooty

my eyes bugged the fuck out when i saw dmx in belly fuck that chick… jerk jerk jerk jerk bust the fuck off on the next hoe’s skirt.

28 05 2008
B4Prez

@rai — Ur right, the only “hot black chicks” are the ones that have the complexion connection. We blacks can’t even shake this idea, let alone tryin’ to convince a YT that a dark skinend woman can actually be pretty…w/o bein “pretty FOR a dark-skinned girl. SMH

@muse — I didn’t say all EBP fit one mold, esp. with more 1st generation EBPs emerging, but if you’re an EBP then I know you know many like the ones I mentioned…like the ones on SEBPL.

As a sidenote, I bet if Girlfriend’s or The Game were predominatley YT casts, EBP wouldn’t think they were so bad. It’s just that the minute a black character mentions a stereotypically black thing, (whether true or not), like a weave, or a brotha eating at a soul food restaurant, the EBP are ready to boycott. Meanwhile Kramer was the best thing since a Jack n Jill retreat (b4 his “tirade”)

….if u ask me

28 05 2008
Muse

Disappearing Acts made me cringe! That Black man represented my worst nightmare.

28 05 2008
Muse

Gawd lets not start on the dark skin/ light skin debate. As a dark skin woman I find it so offensive that society as a whole views us as being on the bottom of the totem pole and Black men often reinforce those notions. Then again I guess folks should have the right to their preference right?

28 05 2008
B4Prez

BTW, I didn’t mean to add that smiley face to my last post, lol

28 05 2008
Seven

I enjoyed the post as always and I am extremely happy to see that others are aware of Robert Downey Jr.’s other movie. His up and coming Black face role is the reason why I talked so many of my friends out of seeing Ironman. I’m sure the studios didn’t miss my chump change, but taking this small stand was worth it to me. So many folks thought I was lying when I told them about ol’ Robert. Yes, I’m aware of T. Howard’s role in the Ironman, but damn, I couldn’t co-sign on that movie.

28 05 2008
B4Prez

Not to turn it into a skin thing, but as a EBP male, not all of us lose our minds at the sight of a lightskin woman.

28 05 2008
Muse

But a lot of Black men do B4Prez. Personally I’m over the whole debate anyway. I figured why would I want to date a Black man who finds my hue of my skin unattractive? Thank God my parents raised me with some damn self esteem. I wish the same confidence can be passed on to my other fellow dark hue ladies who feel alienated because of society’s ignorance.

28 05 2008
Merri Lee

^^^^^^^^^I love shabooty

28 05 2008
Cheekie

I’m late as hell (stereotype alert!), but I think the controversy surrounding Hattie and Gone with the Wind was that she wasn’t invited to the premiere (fucked up as hell, I bet even the [white] man who sweeped up the horses’ poop was invited). I think Clark Cable wanted to boycott, but she convinced him to go anyway.

28 05 2008
Cheekie

*Clark Cable? Aw, hell. I meant, Clark Gable, obviously.

28 05 2008
PrettyPiscesGirl

I was just talking to college roomie/LS last week about Disappearing Acts…and how bad that movie sucked (she liked it-she hadn’t read the book). I’d read the book years earlier, and I got all excited at first (even with Wesley Snipes being in it). Wesley looked nothing like what I would have imagined Franklin to look like, and HBO bastardized the story (like most books-turned-into-movies are).

28 05 2008
Yonnie3k

Muse – read the book. Its good.

28 05 2008
Esquire

I didnt know that about Robert Downey, but I didnt go see that movie because it looked dumb as hell. But then again, Im not an 18 boy.

DMX is one of the dumbest creatures on the planet. His IQ is equivalent to that of a breathmint. He and Bob Johnson probably roll blounts together.

28 05 2008
Yonnie3k

yeah, but did you see the scene in Belly?

28 05 2008
Esquire

HIGH FIVE MUSE

Im tired of being told how “pretty I am for a darkskinned girl” As if I need your stupid ass opinion for my validation.

28 05 2008
Lurker #110

Great black movie: “The Visit” starring Hill Harper.

28 05 2008
Sister Toldja

I hated the Disappearing Acts movie, I hated the male character and I hate Wesley Snipes.

B4P- I think most EBP’s like The Game and Girlfriends. I never watched the Game because it only came on a few years ago and I haven’t watched much TV since getting out the dorm. Plus, isn’t one of the brothers dating a White woman? I have my blood pressure to think about. Girlfriends was aiight, but the writing could have been better and William was unexcusably unattractive.

28 05 2008
Seven

@ Esquire-co-sign on the DMX comment!

28 05 2008
Muse

Cosign Esquire.

Black men who make the “pretty for a dark skin girl” comment to me get dismissed. Even if the Black man is a hot engineer or doctor who has the body of a God and is financially well off. Seriously that is how big of a turn off mess like that is for me. I figured if he has the audacity to make such an offensive comment, then he is probably on some self hating racial crap that I don’t have the time or the patience to deal with. Usually I will pass those guys to my Becky friends because deep down that is probably what he wants.

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

Shabooty baby..smh you are too funny…DMX is the worst actor and rapper ever.. eww like foreal…i bet that nigga couldnt even hold a conversation without “barking”. And him with all those fucking pitbulls..its time to choose a new breed of dog..the only “rapper” movies i could watch was Choices I and II. I love those damn movies shits were too funny to me.

28 05 2008
Muse

Awww ST, William from Girlfriends started to grow on me after a few seasons. I would give him a shot. I like geeky awkward guys. Overall William was a good dude and I know a lot of guys like him who get passed up in real life because they don’t have the typical cool black guy swagger.

28 05 2008
shabooty

btw Lauren, [of header graphic fame]
wtf is a ‘Reading Specialist’?

like wtf u reading that makes you so special? 🙂

28 05 2008
Esquire

DMX didnt even know who Obama was. Then he had the nerve to pick at his name. After naming his child something ridiculous like DemonWarrior SlapAHoeOnTheAss.

Good thing felons cant vote.

28 05 2008
shabooty

heh thx epps/merri.
(http://www.shabooty.com/2008/03/23/xxl-interview-with-dmx-on-the-election.php)
read that dmx interview on the election. what he is quoted as saying will blow you.
btw Exit Wounds wasn’t bad. 🙂
$

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

Sorry Seven but I saw Ironman and it was pretty fucking good. Honestly I could care less about Downey doing a black face role…aint nothing new…Whats the diff… ok he will be portraying a black man while Eminem walks around saying nigga..

28 05 2008
Esquire

Im suprised DMX isnt a Jennifer Hudson’s love interest on SATC

28 05 2008
Muse

Esquire,

I wish racist inbreed hicks in places like West Virginia weren’t allowed to vote either.

You know there are websites popping up about Obama being the AntiChrist.

I need Christians to get it together and focus on their own salvation and let God worry about the end of the world. LOL

28 05 2008
Sister Toldja

Muse- I like geeky guys too, but he was wack to me. It wasn’t simply a lack of swaggger, it was his looks, wack ass personality, looks and wack ass personality. Plus, when do you hear guys being like “Oh, she’s kinda ugly buy she is so sweet she grew on me?” Double damn standard, LOL!

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

Shabooty-btw Lauren, [of header graphic fame]
wtf is a ‘Reading Specialist’?

like wtf u reading that makes you so special?

bwhahahah I was thinking the same thing…

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

shabooty reading specialist is another word for Librarian maybe? ahah

28 05 2008
Muse

ST Good point. I’ve never heard of a Black man who is on point talk about “well even though I don’t like fat girls with bad acne, stank breath, and large meat curtains, I might give her a shot because she grew on me.” BAHAHAHAHA.

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH@ DMX interview with XXL on the election

“XXL Magazine: Are you following the presidential race?
DMX: Not at all.

You’re not? You know there’s a Black guy running, Barack Obama and then there’s Hillary Clinton.
His name is Barack?!

Barack Obama, yeah.
Barack?!

Barack.
What the f*** is a Barack?! Barack Obama. Where he from, Africa?

Yeah, his dad is from Kenya.
Barack Obama?

Yeah.
What the f***?! That ain’t no f***in’ name, yo. That ain’t that nigga’s name. You can’t be serious. Barack Obama. Get the f*** outta here”.

DEAD!!!!!

28 05 2008
Muse
28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

Meat Curtains.. x_X

28 05 2008
rai

how the fawk did this shyt get lightskin vs darkskin????? that is must be at the ROOT of all the issues in the black community. . .

-daddy doesn’t come around?? u must have been too dark as a child
-black woman can’t get/keep a man? she probably too dark
-white woman clinch her purse when u walked by? u probably too dark
-cop pulled u over? u probably too dark
-didn’t get into college and u even applied to nc a & t? u probably too dark. . .

never mind the fact that nigga didn’t come for anything more than a nut around BEFORE the baby, or that she is a pyscho bytch looking for someone to take care of her all the while thinking she is too good, or that the last time u saw that white woman u DID try to rob her, or that u were doing 87 in a 30 in ole town alexandria bumping devin the dude with weed smoke funneling out your car, or that u had shytty grades & didn’t even show up to take the SAT and u spent 33% of your high school career at the lunch table freestyling over the same ole beat that some nigga used to bang out on the table. . .

“we got to do better”

sidenote: girlfriends isn’t necessarily ass. . . but as “THE” show about BLACK WOMEN, u have to be WAY careful about what u say/do. white woman get away with playing a skank or overbearing mother or aggressive white female lawyer or just plain lazy never get a job marry rich golddigger because there are so many times where they are portrayed in a positive light. . . in short, EVERYONE KNOWS random white woman isn’t probably a skank or an overbearing mother. . . but when the depictions of me are either:
1) broad from “girlfriends”, any of them because none of them quite had it together
2) mammie from the looney tunes
3) video bytch with tank ass and no speaking role

umerah, u just have to be more careful what u put out there. . . not every person is goin to get off their ass and take the time to meet people so that they can disprove stereotypes. if you get the chance to go right into their living rooms, why not make the most of it?

28 05 2008
aceklub

@ST and Muse
There lies a big fundamental difference that I think many people fail to realize between guys and girls. We are just wired differently where those so-called “superficial” things matters to guys more than females… In essence, guys hope to get a girl that makes him LOOK good (to other people), where females hope to get a guy that makes her FEEL good (to herself).

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

WHYYYYYYY

1. meat curtains

The long, overly stretched out lips of a pussy, sometimes resembling philly cheese steak. Also known as: elephant ears, clappers, mud flaps, pounded cube steak, cube steak patties, dangly gizzard, and last (but not least), the giblet pouch.
Debbie’s meat curtains are so long, she has a curtain rod in her shower to hang her flaps over so she can squeegie them down

DEAD @ Debbie’s curtain rod in the shower

28 05 2008
Dustin

“Even if the Black man is a hot engineer or doctor who has the body of a God and is financially well off.”

Damn, Muse. Where do you live. I’m moving.

ST, I TOTALLY agree with everything you say. William’s lack of awagger wasn’t the problem. It was that pseudo afro-helmet set too far back on his head that was/is the real issue.

28 05 2008

“Gawd lets not start on the dark skin/ light skin debate. As a dark skin woman I find it so offensive that society as a whole views us as being on the bottom of the totem pole and Black men often reinforce those notions. Then again I guess folks should have the right to their preference right?”

I agree. I have a friend who is cute, however, I know she is not on the same level as me. She has light skin and she will get approached more than I do and get this, half of the time GUYS JUST STARE AT ME….the whole night. i don’t get it.

28 05 2008
rai

william is another stereotype. . . the nerdy black guy who has all female friends and doesn’t fawk any of them, but eventually gets a girl out of his circle that is mean and abusive to him. and oh yeah, he HAS to have a big dick. *stuck face* z

28 05 2008
aceklub

@ ST and Muse
and not saying that it applies to you b/c your comment kinda indicate that you all understand the difference. However, if this was something that both men and female did not ignore or disregard, I feel that things could be different in relationships for all races not just black folks.

28 05 2008
rai

if I hear “I like darkskin girls because light skin girls are crazy/have drama/are stuck up” ONE MORE ‘GIN!!!!! MURDEROUS RAMPAGE!!!!!!! how the fawk are u gonna call me “plan B”????? BURN!

28 05 2008

I always get

“Are you mixed? You are pretty for a dark skin girl” or ” Man you are gorgeous, i usually date light skin girls”…smh

I hate you esquire for this:

Im suprised DMX isnt a Jennifer Hudson’s love interest on SATC

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28 05 2008
Merri Lee

shabooty (20:52:41) :

btw Lauren, [of header graphic fame]
wtf is a ‘Reading Specialist’?

like wtf u reading that makes you so special? 🙂

I’m still trying to figure out what Lisa Turtle and Mean Streak do.

28 05 2008
Seven

@ Mrs. Epps – its cool that you saw it. I’ve heard nothing but good things about it, but for me it was just a personal choice not to watch it. Downey in blackface is just too much for me; he even puts on this ridiculous Blackcent in Tropic Thunder. It just seems like as a whole Black folks as whole are letting a lot of things pass that would have been automatic “no-no” a few years ago. Hope I’m not being too sensitive today.

As for Eminem -not a fan, never have been. It doesn’t surprise me that he uses it, I just don’t understand how black people think its ok for him to use it, I.e his little gang of followers…but that’s just me.

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

hahaha ya’ll all crazy.. talking about Williams weird, not that cute, short afro wearing self. hahah that man is werid…and thats prob why they never had any of the girls hook up with him. You ever notice how there are two lightskinned girl and two dark skinned girls? how come they cant be the samed color.. and what is up with Joans fucking hair everytime i watched that show i wanted to comb that rats nest and also wanted to come that hippy ass girls hair too…(forgot her name) the one that was always jobless..shit was so fake.. aint none of my girlfriend gonna let me lay up in their house for free with my man who is also jobless. YEA RIGHT!!!!

28 05 2008
Deviant

@ Head Nut
In the comics Blade is black. They probly picked Snipes casue I think he was already a martial artist and he will rock the horrible haircut (Demolition Man)

28 05 2008
shabooty

@Merri Lee

Full Time Lunchbox/named Lisa Turtle= Washes dishes at Green Turtle……..

Mean Streak: Nude Housekeeper= Gets paid allowance by her parents/paid to keep clothes on.

🙂

28 05 2008
B4Prez

LMAO@ RAI with that “dark skin blame” story. That was funny.

And@ST….”when I blow up” and am the programming director on a network, I’m giving you ur own reality show.

28 05 2008
Yonnie3k

Eminem does not say ni@@a

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

I getcha Seven..I think its racist as ish as well. And I agree us as black ppl do let alot of shit go that we shouldnt. Remember that movie with the white kid who wants the scholarship so bad he dresses in black face so he could get the scholarship and ish..i forgot the name of it..I know its a 80’s movie.

28 05 2008
Seven

@ Yonnie- thanks for the correction! I had heard that once before, but my source was not credible (19 yr. old pot head and Huge Eminem fan).

28 05 2008
Knatural

Don’t ‘light-skinned’ girls bruise easily? 😀

28 05 2008
Esquire

Well of course not Yonnie. Not to any niggas faces.

28 05 2008
Yonnie3k

you’re right. there was that tape that came out of him back in the day where he was talking about some black girl who’d just broken up with him. Remember? They sent out copies of it with The Source – or was it XXL? Which ever one was started by the guy from Boston.

28 05 2008
Esquire

@Mrs Epps.

The entire time I was watching the movie I was like am I the ONLY one who doesnt think he looks black? that was a WEIRD movie.

28 05 2008
Randy Watson

Officer, help me, help me please. Pull over. I gotta save Craig. I gotta go to the bathroom!

28 05 2008
Sister Toldja

A reading specialist usually works in an elementary school with students (or teachers) to develop strategies for the learning (or teaching) of reading fundamentals and comprehension.

Thank you, B4P, my life has long since been TV worthy!

28 05 2008
Sister Toldja

Yonnie- It was the Source and it’s former editor-in-chief, Benzino realeased the tape.

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

ESQUIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahaha girl i was like umm he looks white in blackface to me and i saw it when i 14. How dumb can ppl be?

28 05 2008
Seven

@ Mrs Epps – Soul Man! That was the name of that movie; I remember I was little kid when I saw it. I told my folks about it and we had a deep family discussion about race, ethnicity, etc. Needless to say, that dude did that movie and his career went to hell in a handbasket.

@Esquire – “Not to any niggas faces.” Now that’s the truth.

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

SOul Man there ya go.. i mena i know the film was made when i was born and it come on one day on HBO and I was like WTF and told my mom about it and she had the same talk with me Seven haha. After seeign that movie I was pissed and what pissed me off recently was when i saw this picture….

Ted Danson Suck a DICK!!

28 05 2008
Christina

Soulman is the white boy in blackface to get the scholarship. It was C. Thomas Howell

28 05 2008
Lia

Since Journee’s name has been dropped a few times in the comments, I’d just like to say I’ve loved Journee ever since she was Michelle’s friend on Full House. I don’t remember her name, but Michelle had two black friends, Journee and that little boy Teddy. Hollywood has been sleeping on her, but I’m happy she’s finally getting recognized.

28 05 2008
Seven

Yeah -Ted did that ish when he was dating Whoopi Goldberg. I never looked at her the same after that. They were at an event in her honor I believe (if not my bad), but needless to say, she was with him when this tom foolery went down.

28 05 2008
Knatural

Ted Danson pulled that blackface stunt while roasting Whoopi Goldberg during their strange relationship; he probably felt he had license since he was dating a Black woman.

28 05 2008
Yonnie3k

Lia – I thought Jurnee was on Roc, but I don’t see it on IMDB. Who am I thinking of? Who played Sinbad’s daughter?

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

Yea thats what I heard as well Seven I was like Whoopi what were you thinking? Allowing this man to degrade you like that but showing up with you in fucking blackface. I would have hung that fucking coon if i were old enough at the time hahaha

28 05 2008
Seven

LOL- yeah I just remember my dad calling him a cocksucker (first time I ever heard that word) and he’s Puerto Rican. On the other hand my mom wanted to slap some sense into Whoopi! Some things you just don’t let slide.

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

oh yea you know another coon i could live without on tv now? Christopher Reid(Kid) that NIGGA gets on my fucking nevers with his wack ass hip-hop act. That shit was cool for the movie and stuff but dammit the shits gotta end! Anyone watch that show on VH1Celebracadabra well he was on that show until voted off and I swear i wanted to scream everytime he said “NAWMEAN SON” Fuck..

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

Seven-LOL- yeah I just remember my dad calling him a cocksucker (first time I ever heard that word) and he’s Puerto Rican. On the other hand my mom wanted to slap some sense into Whoopi! Some things you just don’t let slide.

well my mother is Puerto Rican and she was pissed and actually wanted to see what i saw and tell my grandmother about it. I was laughing my ass off when she kept calling him names and calling Whoopi a dumb cunt right infront of me haha

28 05 2008
Randy Watson

Are you tired of the place up the street? Where they give you more sauce than they give you meat? Then bring your big ass down to Brothers BBQ. Ribs so good, make you wanna slap yo momma! Willie?

I do think that you can find racism wherever you look, however if you look to movies for the purpose of entertainment value you’ll find it less and until there are more black sposored movies with black directors that don’t have to answer to a white board of approvers, we may get some higher quality black cinema. Until then its up to us to try and change the attitudes of the people, starting with ourselves and our children and hope for change.

Howyoudurrin?

28 05 2008
Seven

What up boricqua! Habla espanol? But really,
Save your life and stop watching that crap on VH1! It will continue to piss you off and may even cause stroke. I drew the line this year and I feel so much; I think I even dropped a few pounds. 🙂 lol

28 05 2008
Knatural

VH1? Worse than having diarrhea in an humid public restroom. I tried to give that show Miss Rap Supreme a chance, but they lost what little credibility I was gonna allow once they featured Soulja Boy as a guest. Really? Soulja Boy? This 16 yr old twerp who made a song/dance about superman-ing some hoe. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Soulja Boy should be revered? Also, MTV had the nerve to bring him up as possibly one of the ‘hottest’ rap stars today.

28 05 2008
shabooty

Knatural@

no offense but i thought of it the other way around…what is Soulja boy doing appearing on such a SHITTY SHOW…. with a bunch of hack broad rappers who wouldn’t even make it on a BET aired Vagisil commercial jingle.

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

Si Hablo espanol…De que parte de Puerto Rico es su padre? Mine is from Ponce.

28 05 2008
Muse

Speaking of which VH1, that network is reaching new levels of depravity with their summer lineup. “I Love Money” which is going to feature the coons and coonettes from Flavor of Love 1 &2, I love New York 1 &2, along with the skanks from Rock of Love will premier this summer. The bottom barrel folks of society will compete with each other for 250k.

I’m all prepared to enter hte race draft. ST has already agreed to join me.

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

Knat i saw that shit to I was like umm they brang wack ass little 15 yr old Solja Boy on the show for insperation for grown ass women old enought to be his mama or his older sister. GET OUTTA HERE!! i was expecting someone like Salt n Pepa or shit MC Lyte c’mon nowwwwww…and i also saw the show where they was tryna say that Solja boy is one of the hottest rappers out im like stop playing.. a hot ass rapper would be like Lil wezzy(dont hate Chris), Ghostface, Scareface, Tech N9ne( alot of ppl dont know about him) ppl like that would kill Solja fucking little ass boy in a rap battle.. he aint even drop his nut sack yet and they sayin he’s hot.. No Biggie and Tupac were hot. But I would laugh if it was some like Lil pitbullface Mama. ahahha im so mean but foreal little girl look harder and older than me! My man was like her name should be Lil Big MAma

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

Shababy-Knatural@

no offense but i thought of it the other way around…what is Soulja boy doing appearing on such a SHITTY SHOW…. with a bunch of hack broad rappers who wouldn’t even make it on a BET aired Vagisil commercial jingle.

Im gonna let my coon out and say You So Stooopiid Niggga…hahaha

28 05 2008
Merri Lee

“I Love Money” = Truth in advertising award of the millennium

28 05 2008
Seven

Buena – el es de Mayaguez pero mas de mi familia viven en San Juan ahora.

See Soulja Boy was on VH1…I don’t know if I will ever watch programs on that channel again!

28 05 2008
Knatural

Muse? $250K? USD? Dammit! I would go on that show if I didn’t have issues with greed…and if I were a low-life. Alas, I’m just a thunder e-hoe.
Shabooty, you sir are an ass. Vagisil jingle AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Luckily ‘bitch’ rhymes with ‘itch’.

28 05 2008
Muse

Can someone explain to me WTF is a thunder e-hoe? Who came up with that?!

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

Seven, thats cool ,mi tia todavia vive alli in San Juan and my granddaddy has a house in Ponce still so when voy la visita que puedo permanecer alli y no tener que pagar por el hotel. Im going to go back next summer since i’ll be going to Hawaii and the Bahamas this summer. Cant wait.

Thunder e-hoe wtf?

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

the only show i like on VH1 is I love the 80’s and 90’s

28 05 2008
Knatural

One of the commentors from yesterday’s non-post, Bougieblkgirl, said “I see Chris’ pack of thunder e-hoes are coming out.” after a couple of folks defended his drunkenness.

28 05 2008
Dustin

I’m totally his e-hoe.

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

hahahah ok i get it now Knat…SMH..

28 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

Dustin u just a hoe period jk love yas lots! 😉

28 05 2008
Seven

Hawaii y Bahamas – I’m so celosa! I’m just going a Nueva York. Have some fun for me.

29 05 2008
Angry IV

A few comments.

1. Forrest Whitaker in The Last King of Scotland was great.
2. Don Cheadle in Hotel Rwanda was great.
3. Will Smith is great.

ON THE WILL SMITH NOTE: black folks consistently complain about stuff like movies, and they are 100% valid arguments, like the one Chris is making. However, instead of taking pride in someone being able to break into the mainstream without selling out, like Will Smith, black people will consistently hate on him, and why? Because he doesn’t rap about slanging yay on the corner, riding on 24 inch wheels, or banging someone else’s girl? (F*CK PLIES.)

If black folks are going to continue to be so shallow about Will Smith because he’s not “hood” enough, then we don’t deserve to have tight movies. We deserve to get more and more Why Did I Get Marrieds.

29 05 2008
Angry IV

All of that being said, Hancock is going to be awesome.

29 05 2008
Knatural

I like Will Smith; I was angry he was never shirtless in Pursuit of Happyness. As long as he keeps up with his shirtless responsibilities, I don’t care about his hood factor.

29 05 2008
tokenDesigner

Don Cheadle is one of the most underrated actors in Hollywood.

And has anyone else noticed that aside from Angelina Jolie putting on blackface for “A Mighty Heart” she took another potential role from black women when she took the role of Vixen for the movie “Wanted”, after saying this crap when she got crap for playing Marianne Pearl:
“I know that people are frustrated at the lack of great roles [for people of color], but I think they’ve picked the wrong example here,” Jolie says.

Can I also just say, I’m tired of half-heartedly defending Halle Berry’s acting abilities, or lack thereof, just because she’s a black actress? Yeah she’s pretty, but that woman kills every movie she’s in- in a bad way. Man, I hate Hollywood.

29 05 2008
Felicia

“Do you think Tom Hanks’ white ass would ever star in a movie called ‘Casserole’?”

Oh my God, I lost my shit over that one. I would love to see that though.

29 05 2008
Rose

Just wanted to say that Dead Presidents and Menace II Society (both by the Hughes brothers) are great ‘black movies’, (though they feature gansters), and great movies in general (I’m white.) The last few minutes of ‘Menace’ make me cry just thinking about them.

And for fans, the Hughes Brothers also made a fascinating documentary about pimps.

29 05 2008
moni

The problem I had with The Last King of Scotland was that James McAvoy’s character, however flawed he may have been, got to survive while black people were being killed left and right over his fucked up decisions. It was a well made film but damn he was out destroying other peoples lives. Fucking the african girl off the bus (UGHHHHHHHHH!!!!), kissing the white married woman, fucking the kings wife, telling on the kings assistant for no reason, letting the black doctor risk his life (when he had a family to support). All these causalities just because he did not want to a good boy and be a doctor in Scotland. What is wrong with this man (could not accept joining the ‘family business’)?

29 05 2008
Nice

LMAO. Everything you said was on point. But I am guilty of enjoying some the stereotypical Black movies that you listed. LOL at the Indian with the tear. I’ve been telling folks that’s not an Indian for years. Good job.

There are some good Black movies out there, but for every good movie you have ten garbage ones. I am a HUGE Spike Lee fan. I love almost all of his films. My personal favorite is Do The Right Thing- classic.

29 05 2008
letinstar

i know it’s already been said but i was going to mention “transformer’s too and their not so subtle racism with the obviously “black” one that gets not just die, but gets torn in half and thrown away like garbage…dare i also mention he was spoke in rap and appeared to be break dancing..i can’t be 100% sure because i usually lose interest at this point…

and while i like robert downey jr, i have no words as his blackface role…it’s being marketed as humor/tongue in cheek, but i don’t feel amused…

i also agree about morgan freeman get screwed every time he’s in a movie…why must he play second fiddle to those who should not be in the same breathing space as him…i’ve been a fan of his since his easy reader days on electric company (yes i’m that old)…

i also feel this way about samuel l jackson’s role in pulp fiction….the critics all raved about john travolta’s character, but we all know that samuel made that movie….

29 05 2008
Angry IV

Transformers didn’t bother me as much as other movies – Jazz was traditionally that way from the show.

Robert Downey, Jr’s role in that new movie is moderately offensive, but it’s Hollywood…you’ve got to take stuff like that with a grain of salt. Just don’t see the movie – it’s probably going to be pretty terrible anyway.

Morgan Freeman should have won numerous Oscars a long time ago.

Samuel L. Jackson in Pulp Fiction MADE that move. John Travolta has always been average, in my opinion. Bruce Willis was good as well.

29 05 2008
rachism

This is not really, but kinda related but…
If anyone lives in or is visiting NYC you must go see this new show on Broadway called “Passing Strange”. It’s soooo good! Great Music, Great topic matter (one young black man’s identity issues within his middle class black community and abroad) and an all Black cast playing (get this) white & black characters!!! I know, feel free to read that again. Fuck the movies!!! go to the theater!

And I’ll admit that I am really tickled by seeing this amazing show and black cast on Broadway shitting all over that “Legally Blonde” crap. hmmm, feels like reparations to me… anyone else?

29 05 2008
ph2072

Truth.

29 05 2008
alltalk

@ tokenDesigner: Don Cheadle is GREAT!

Reign Over Me (with Adam Sandler was surprisingly good, and Talk to Me (which has all of the stereotypical black movie elements—ex-cons, obscene amounts of liquor and loud talking black women) was also pretty good.

But, surprisingly no one’s mentioned Children of Men. The saving grace of the entire world is a young black woman (+1), but her safety, care and well-being falls into the hands of a gang of white folks (-10). The only black man helping this ragtag team of saviors dies trying to save the white lady (-250).

White people always get to save the world (even when a black person is doing all the work).

29 05 2008
Prime Minister Cinema

Sweet Sweetbacks and Badass Songs

Nadine (whether there are stereotypes or not)

fuck the list i was gonna write of hot black shit just stay the fuck tuned im coming wit it and not ur typical nigga shuffling bullshit neither.

29 05 2008
shabooty

this doesn’t have to do with race but how come the devil in Passion of the Christ ain’t have any eyebrows? that shit freaked me out, cause it reminded me of a gingerkid.

29 05 2008
puff

@ prime minister cinema

melvin van peebles is amazing – 3 day pass (before the blaxploitation) is some good shit.

more generally at movies like hotel rwanda and the last king of scotland: why is it only when fucked up crazy shit is going down on the african content we ever get any kind of screen time? that’s some stereotype shit i can’t fuck with.

29 05 2008
RelaxMax

“Casserole” what about ‘Fried Green Tomatoes’ – shit flick no doubt

29 05 2008
Shine

Still haven’t finished reading but something seems to keep coming up. Why are scifi flicks/shows the only ones where nonwhite people show up, have a major role (sometimes magical negro but sometimes not) and it doesn’t seem weird or tokenism. Something the nerds get but ‘mainstream’ doesn’t. BTW one of my favorite shows due to the inordinate amount of sexy (both male and female) that I will stick to even through the horribly uneven and sometimes terrible writing and plotlines is Eureka on SciFi channel during the summer. (the black girl part of me loves the fact that 2 successful and handsome white men are vying for the attention of a black woman with no one acting like this is odd. In fact people are acting like, she is obviously hot shit and everyone wants to be with her, which is an experience i think only Halle Berry in this country has ever had as a black woman. No matter how hot you are). Also I discovered and loved Doctor Who (the only 2 shows I watch on scifi though my brother keeps trying to get me into others) where his chic sidekick is a black medical student in the 3rd season. Nonwhites show up in there too in all sorts of roles-but mostly as aliens.

29 05 2008
29 05 2008
london

scanned quickly down the comments…
omissions in your commentaries.. i think
eve’s bayou, colour purple… yes but what about beloved… love that movie.. love it, love it, love it…
american gangster.. sheer genius… denzel will be my child’s daddy..
carmen jones 1959.. gorgeous dorothy dandridge
imitation of life 1959.. a black movie as far as i am concerned… makes me cry every time.. and mahalia throwing down at the end…
morgan freeman does well enough.. for the past 4 years he has been making 4 movies a year… the only other film not mentioned above i think is the unforgiven.. clint casts him well.. and clint knows his talent.. who would not play second to clint in clint’s own movie? (i adore big production westerns – john huston, sergio leone, sam peckinpah and most recently the assassination of jesse james – …. and who can hate blazing saddles??..)
will smith is indeed great – no hate at all there..
ll cool j is another good actor
and yes sam jackson is a don..
what about danny glover.. as well as purple and beloved – preadtor 2 springs right to my mind.. that neck click! and there was lethal weapon..
oh and we all know predators are black… anyone with dreads lets them down after watching that movie.. ha ha
tricky, chris tucker and stacey mckenzie in the genius mayhem that is fifth element..
halle berry cannot act..
ange bassett is a queen
oprah is a dunno – what you call the most powerful black woman on the planet – (condi can stop fronting…)
cicely tyson, hattie mcdaniel, lena horne, dorothy dandridge, sidney poitier, djimon honsou, wes snipes (mofo in private life) pam grier, diahann carroll. even blair underwood & tyrese,
they fought and still fight
we have a great movie history…

29 05 2008
Dustin

U, “Legally Blonde: The Musical” on broadway was the ish. But “Passing Strange” is going to tear it up at the Tony’s this year. Props. I’ll totally see it if I’m in NYC again soon.

29 05 2008
edwardiangaiety

In case no one knew, Robert Downey Jr’s role was originally a black character, but for some reason, the part was rewritten as a blackface role when RDJ was cast (for some reason).

http://blackromancereader.wordpress.com/2008/05/25/so-were-overreacting/

29 05 2008
B4Prez

Yeah, Will Smith has gone mainstream, but did anyone else hear about him wanting to cast Halle Berry opposite him in Hitch, but the execs shut it down because they knew that “it would be seen as a black film”, and not do as well
at the box office? The idea of a mainstream (Will and Halle, aka, a big budget ponied up by a powerful Jewish production team), black romantic comedy automatically gets shut down. These were Will’s own words in an interview.

Will’s movies don’t count as black films. He’s the black star, and his character lives in a world where every1 else around him, (except for his wife who gets 3 lines), is white. Don’t get me wrong, I still support the brotha, but at the end of the day, he’s our token.

And on lighter note, even though many things are obviously stereotypical, and not quite the most positive, it doesn’t mean they’re not funny. I’ll probably lose my EBP card over this, but I thought the Wayan’s Bros. “Don’t Be a Menace…” was very funny. It was full of stereotypes, but at the end of the day it was a spoof making fun of all of the other hood movies we see all of the time. You might not want to play it when all of your white friends are over, but it was still funny.

30 05 2008
rachism

The black girl in Children of Men made me want to throw up. What the f*ck was her accent supposed to be? Ugh… and then in the scene where her dread locked, white nurse maid is doing tai chi (awful) they had her say “is she still doing that voodoo-woodoo stuff” I literally threw my remote at her head. (And subsequently had to buy a new tv)

30 05 2008
Knatural

Children of Men was a great film; they deliberately cast an African women to be the first pregnant women on Earth after a twenty-yr infertility stint. Everything full circle, right? I’d say that premise is more powerful than her screwed accent. I thought it was a deeply spiritual movie, and the single-shot cinematography was excellent.

30 05 2008
rachism

It may be a great movie but it def had some eye-roll worthy moments… and making an African (if that what she was supposed to be) woman mother of the new generation of humans was a “duh” move. Still, I guess we should applaud something as basic as that.

30 05 2008
a.eye

@ Moni
The Last King of Scotland was a good movie, but it was really based way too loosely on true events — it was mostly untrue. The character James McAvoy is based on (Bob Astles) was not a doctor or Scottish. What he did in his time working with Amin is not really known for certain. Hollywood.

30 05 2008
Ninjagirrl

I have been waiting a long time for Magical YT teacher to come save me, for Magical Golfing Negro to hit the links with me, and for Magical Hairdresser/Barber to have a BBQ/Sunday dinner and invite me over. Unfortunately I have been sidetracked/caught/impregnated by GangbanginNegro/DrugDealinNegro/RappinNegro, we were on our way to a dance off/skate off/shoot off at the swap meet/house party/wherever else movie negros gather when we got side-tracked at the chickenshack/weedspot/houseparty, while listening to Hip-Hop and becoming babymama’s/daddys. The End

That pretty much summed up most Black movies! That shit made me tired. I appreciated Mos Def, (hoe that he may be, his acting skills are on point), as Vivien Thomas in HBO’s Something The Lord Made. Ask any teenage kid who Mos Def is they may/probably/hopefully know who he is, ask if they heard how well he played Vivien Thomas in this movie, and they are more concerned about the favt thathis name was Vivien than anything else, just ignorant!. Looking forward to Touissant, I pray pray it is done well.

Chris you ain’tshit and I love it!

30 05 2008
alltalk

@Knatural

i agree the movie’s premise was good, and i applaud casting a black woman as the mother of the entire world. But, making the white folks be the hero (once again) is where i find fault in the movie. It follows the same logic as those white-teacher-saves-poor-black-kid movies.

The prego lady is the one actually saving the planet, but her helpers get to be all heroic. Why not make her the brains of the operation in stead of just a prop in the movie?

30 05 2008
B4Prez

Has anyone on here ever enjoyed a black movie that wasn’t historically based or with a deep plot?

While I’ll be the first to say we need to upgrade black films, some black ppl, especially some EBP and SBP (see Chris), need to relax sometimes. We’ll never stop looking like “angry blacks” if we can’t laugh sometimes.

31 05 2008
Shanna4

Spike Lee and John Singleton where ya’ll at? Tyler Perry taking up the scene right now. I agree with whats bein said here because I don’t like going to the movies….for the most part I sit and wait for reviews and other opinons of friend who went to something that has my interest and wait for it to come ON Demand so I can watch it at home. I have some pretty harsh friends when it comes to reviews so, Tyler perry usually gets knocked out the running right away. Yes, so true the Black person dies in the films early, its always been like that. I rememeber when my dad told me about that. He was born in rural Virginia and had in experience with the Klan when he was about 8 years old and again when he was 13…..that is why he joined the Army to get the hell out of Dodge and see something else…HELL…ANYTHING other than what he grew upin. Well…because of his experiences with the racism in his early life, he grew to have a hatred against the white man, and was looking for anything to add to his feelings. SO, he had an intrest for Bruce Lee films back in the 60’s and 70’s ….all it took was when this black dude was killed :

And that was it….

My dad felt there was a conspiracy against the black man in Hollywood. One show he did like though…was Walker texas Ranger…because the black guy on there was a good guy and lived. But for the most part we were raised to look at athings like that , not only in Hollywood but in life in general. How some races still think thay are actually better than us unless we have some money…..then it’s okay to be on their level. I am just sad that this mess shit still goes on in 2008, considering with interracial this and biracial that…..The world is becoming a melting pot of color! Everybody gotta a little somebody else in them….

Oh….

Wait…

that didn’t come out right….

LOL

~ Your favorite not-so- friendly Neighborhood Shanna4

31 05 2008
london

oh and the hero in avp3 was a black woman…
black women are awesome… from uhuru and coffy onwards….
we rock…

1 06 2008
Danger Mouse

“Do you think Tom Hanks’ white ass would ever star in a movie called ‘Casserole’?” – LOLOLOLOL!

And I believe black films went way down in quality with the introduction of Madea and Tyler Perry’s films.

Is it too much to ask the man to step his game up and stop creating the same damn movie in each of his films? It’s always about a good relationship, a bad relationship, and a woman who meets a good man and then his characters get together by the end of the movie. It gets boring and repetitive.

I’m not hating on the man’s success, I am just asking him to change up his model and include a little more variety instead of presenting the same plot and stereotypical characters over and over.

Who knows, maybe someday he can actually win some major film awards and greater respect from filmgoers and critics with stronger effort on his end.

5 06 2008
SiteGS

I just wanted to point out that RDJ is not playing a black guy. He’s playing a white Australian actor who is playing a black guy. So really its making fun of the whole white actors stealing roles thing.

8 06 2008
Allison

I, for one, would love black movies that didnt involve black men dressing up as black women.

Just saying.

20 06 2008
Nick

What is with that anyway?

Martin Lawrence seems to have pole vaulted from buddy-cop to Big Mama* in a floral print dress.

Eddie Murphy seems to be right into making movies where he plays half the characters, claims he’s playing homage to Peter Sellers who was famous for playing multiple characters in the same film

*I’m guessing (hoping) that the term Big Mama is a term of endearment and not a slur, not even if a white guy uses it.

20 06 2008
Gay Sex Gay Twinks Gay Hunks

Gay Sex Gay Twinks Gay Hunks…

I can not agree with you in 100% regarding some thoughts, but you got good point of view…

21 06 2008
4m_no_2_dc

I’m so dayum happy someone finally said that movies like love & basketball and waiting to exhale are bullshit movies…. they are… give me a black character who has a real problem…like the pursuit of happyness of some shit…thats a REAL problem… the usual problem in movies like brown sugar and the brother are the following
-i love you
-some shit happens (ex come back, secrect revealed, cold feet)
-i hate you
-someone tells me/you we’re meant for one another
-i love you again
-the end
this is complete and utter UNREAL bullshit.
fuck those movies.

29 07 2008
Keith

I totally agree with a lot which you state but you really come across as an idiot with “…when they were better actors than the white leads they shadowed (Will Smith in ‘Bagger Vance’, Bill Duke in ‘Predator’, Djimon in ‘Gladiator’, Morgan Freeman in every fucking movie he’s ever been in). ” Will Smith? I hate Matt Damon but give me a break-Will Smith is a great guy but not a good actor. Bill Duke? No. Djimon is not a better actor than Russel Crowe-he just isn’t-period. Morgan Freeman? I totally agree-one of the best actors I have ever seen.

Films on the reality of the lives of black people beyond Soul Food and Waiting to Exhale are the right thing to do. But don’t cry racism when an incredibly common theme like the ridiculous number of single mothers on welfare which black men burden the country with is examined in a movie.

27 08 2008
cda27

Isn’t RDJ’s purpose in Tropic Thunder specifically pointing out that someone who’s actually black should be playing the role? The real black guy in the movie explicitly says it too.

20 09 2008
uhoh

Yeah.

The whole storyline for RDJ’s part in Tropic Thunder is that he is a white method actor who gets a black guy’s part in the film-inside-the-film, so he dyes his skin, talks with a stereotypical accent etc. It’s not RDJ playing a black guy, it’s RDJ’s *character* playing a black guy.

It’s a no-brainer movie, but it’s kinda important to show the difference, lest RDJ be painted as a racist.

28 12 2008
yining

A black “Capote” would totally be about Langston Hughes. Which I would totally go watch.

22 05 2009
tiochfi ar la

i found this site through another site. as an irishman i’ve got a question. almost every post i’ve seen on this topic i agree with (from an irish standpoint obviously). my question is does anybody here have ideas as to what would make a realistic, non stereotypical portrayal of black experiences in the US that non black people could look at and think “i never looked at it that way”? also, if you do, do you think it would ever have a chance of being made in hollywood?

i’m not antagonizing. i’m genuinely asking for opinions.

24 05 2009
David

You do bring up a good point. As a white guy (who voted for Obama) I probably would NOT see those movies, let me be honest.

But you’re overlooking something: movies are a historically white institution. The cinema, and other places of “arts” had always been places of entertainment for white people, because 2000 years of society had forced blacks to the lower levels, and art wasnt something people thought black people could understand. Yeah this shit is hard to hear, but its the truth. And you cant catch up with that racism with 30 years of pseudo-black freedom.

The way the industry is set up, if there WAS a black Star Wars or a black Gladiator, it would just be percieved as a novelty, that it was made just because the main stars are black. THATS the kind of deep-rooted racism that will not go away until aliens come and enslave all of humanity, and then coon, cracker, beaner, and chink are working side by side in some carbon mine on an asteroid.

28 05 2009
abw

Chris, I know I am posting late but I wanted to say that I agree with you about the films for the most part except Soul Food. I liked it buddy,so speak for yourself on that one!Hey, we all got our opinions though and that was yours. Still Soul Plane(it was o.k.) ain’t Carwash and I Got the Hookup(funny) ain’t Lackawanna Blues!

28 05 2009
abw

oh, Chris I also wanted to thank you for questioning blackface. I posted somewhere else about this foolishness, on a black site and you actually had some silly NIGGERS,CRACKERS, and SPICS that actually invested the time to defend this crap.Really. I also respect the POV of the person that had a problem with the “teacher movies.” It “is” always some “white save the world do-gooder” kumbaya teacher thats comes along to save the ignorant urban hood/barrio “animals and savages” from themselves and their “jungle”environment”(SARCASM DEFINITELY INTENDED and word of caution-If you are black/latino/white and poor I am NOT blasting YOU.My criticism do not reference you especially when they don’t apply-and not completely then either! I am satirizing the way the characters are in THESE movies!)But I have a few suggestions alongside yours:(a)why not make a movie about poor minority smart students that inspires an INCOMPETENT silly “teacher”-especially one white- to teach or (b)a movie where a “teacher of color” goes to the “trailer parks and urban ethnic” white slums to save at-risk country/urban poor white trash from themselves-SARCASM INTENDED. Surely this happens! There are however movies that don’t follow this formula completely though-Lean on Me,Stand and Deliver, 187,Light it Up, Teachers, Sing and Cheaters(I think that is the name of it.)But the teacher movies you don’t like probably outnumber these four to oneIOr at least they get more attention!I have a question for you though-did you like High School High(very slight snicker?)

28 05 2009
abw

But at the end of the day though, we gone have to make the movies we want to see and support them too. We also should not sleep on black indie/straight to video movies because alot are good. You do have alot coontastic/coonstounding straight to DVD flops too.Can’t front!

22 08 2009
Jason

There’s my name too! You guy’s alway’s have the option of going to live in Liberia! It’s a country founded by American slaves. Great place, I am sure you will enjoy all the movies there! The food, tv, air condition, politics, treatment, and going to the actual movie theater will be a treat! I actually think that people like you should be required to go live in Africa for 2 years or until you claim “mercy!” Your pathetic, you have it so good here! Trust me…..there isn’t one country who has a positive image when it comes to African Americans. You all look like a bunch of cry babies who are so unappreciative for your opportunity’s! The president is even a halfer! You guy’s are great comedy!!!!!!!!

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