Homophobes

16 05 2008

I was on the train yesterday listening to more 11 year olds loudly swearing and talking about butt sex in the presence of mortified adults when the fattest ugliest kid in the bunch made a comment similar to the following:

“Yea yo, [insert name] a fag son. I’m sayin’ if he come around me talkin bout sexin’ me n’ shit he’d get straight up stole yo!”

This very quickly reminded me of the types of people that are always making statements like this. For some reason, every pot bellied, beer swilling, stained t-shirt wearing, non-showering on the weekend, pork rind eating, anti-athletic fat fuck on the planet thinks every gay dude on the planet wants to suck his dick or bang him in the ass. I get pretty pissed off when fat-and-flat-assed white girls incorrectly assume I want to invade their cooters, so I can only wonder how insulting the comparable sentiment must be to gay people.

Figure 1: Gay dudes are having none of this

I don’t have any gay friends, but I do have gay family members and live in what is allegedly the third gayest city in the U.S. (behind San Fransisco and some city in Ohio, maybe Columbus). As a result, I’ve seen the kinds of guys that gays tend to go after and one thing is a common theme throughout: gay dudes don’t do ugly, and seems to apply especially to gay black men.

Speaking from a record of unblemished heterosexuality, I can say gay people have remarkably high standards both physically and otherwise. Most gay guys I’ve run across are very good looking, well groomed, well dressed, well spoken, and are usually upwardly mobile in established careers. The last four or five gay dudes I’ve met were surgeons, attorneys, engineers, and HR directors. Gay dudes attend theater. They volunteer. They travel. They practically live in the gym. All of this leads me to wonder exactly what the hell these fatass ESPN-addicted douchebags, who think Nijinsky is a type of football nickel defense, have to offer gay people.

Figure 2: Gay dudes are having all of this

It’s rendered all the more remarkable that the homophobic slob thinks he has a chance with gay dudes, but knows damn well that he doesn’t stand a chance with a hot chick – when the exact opposite is true.

I’m going to piss off a lot of women by saying this, but fuck it – it needs to be said. It is remarkably easy to attract a hot woman for the short term. All any fat slob has to do, barring any horrible birth defects, is lose a few pounds, buy a nice suit, rent an expensive car, and roll up to a club and valet his car (so everyone will see it) around midnight when the line is the longest (at least that’s the way it is in DC). Women nowadays are independent and empowered, so they don’t want to admit this, but they immediately give this guy a lot of credit and the dude hasn’t so much as spoken a word yet. If he’s rented a REALLY exotic car like a 360 Modena or some shit, he won’t have to say a damn thing. In fact, he can act like a complete dick and still land just about any chick he wants.

Figure 3: Case in Point

So there it is: to get a hot chick, all you have to do is feign wealth for a night or two.

Gay dudes are not so easy. Sure, it may help if you appear to be rich but, unlike with hot chicks, that’s not where the buck stops. My two-spirited* family members tell me that landing a gay man can be extremely difficult because of number of ‘tests’ you have to pass with them. It’s not difficult for gay people to pull off, but if you’re, for instance, a straight man trying to attract a gay man on a dare or a bet or some shit, your attempt to enter the realm of gaydom will be like trying to ace a job interview at Google with the left half your brain missing. If you can’t prove your personal ambition, good taste in damn near everything, cultural awareness, and at least some degree of worldly sophistication, you lose. You will not have to worry about getting your cornhole violated at any point in the near future.

So to all you ugly, corn chip eating, Bud Light guzzling, sexually insecure cock muscles out there – chill the fuck out. You couldn’t PAY a gay dude to fuck you.

* ‘Two-Spirit’ is a term used by many Indians to describe gay people

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441 responses

16 05 2008
Lolo

Nailed. Too true.

This reminds me of when my kid was getting the standard trash of being called “fag”, etc. and he told the chief asshole “in your dreams”. The other boys giggled about it for a week.

16 05 2008
Dejean

hahahha…. This is very true…. I have always wondered why straight guys always think a gay guy wants them… Is it secretly exciting? I am not going to lie …. At times lesbians do ask me for my number and I politely decline… But I do get a little geeked up….

16 05 2008
stuffgirlshlike

Chris, I am the first again, Do I love this tool. Well I still have no tool.

I do not know what is taking place in the USA but I can believe that black people hate homophobes. Well I understandd that cities like Atlanta are now gayland.

Well Living In London England this is a bit shocking given the level of black versus gay animosity in England, Africa and Jamaica.

It is a brilliant story, so are you looking for a gay child?

http://stuffgirlslike.wordpress.com

16 05 2008
Knatural

Interesting. You never mentioned lesbians. Can one not be homophobic toward lesbians? I have to admit, sometimes I am homophobic. I don’t appreciate when gay men act like a caricature of women and are too over-the-top.

16 05 2008
stuffgirlshlike

I did a little piece on this subject but taking a different angle.

http://stuffgirlslike.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/laughing-at-weird-concepts/

I did not know that thugs were hot with gays.

16 05 2008
PrettyPiscesGirl

LOL…I know a lot of gay dudes. EVERY gay male I’ve ever known (ESP. black ones) are NOT about to be seen in PUBLIC with some raggedy arse dude. They may, um, screw them one night after they’ve gotten way too drunk and are horny as hell. Next morning, though, it’s straight ice all the way.
Perfect example of how some gay men think…there is an episode of Sex in the City where one of the main character’s (Charlotte) gay buddy meets another of the main character’s (Carrie) gay buddy at a fashion show. Carrie and Charlotte wrongly assume that because both men are gay, they’ll AUTOMATICALLY hit it off, right? NOPE…the more attractive gay guy (I guess) gets upset because the other is balding and not ripped, and walks out of the fashion show. Funny as all get out.

16 05 2008
PrettyPiscesGirl

Thugs and the gay thing…blame it on the prison culture.

16 05 2008
Lindsay

I like two-spirit.

Hey Chris, do you know where the term comes from?

16 05 2008
Lindsay

@ Knatural –

I admit to this brand of homophobia too, but only because I’ve been hit on by a lesbian who persisted after I told her I wasn’t interested.

I shouldn’t paint everyone so broadly, but I’m a little wary.

16 05 2008
Dom

I was just talking about this last night! My brother is a raging homophobe (he goes to Morehouse, go figure) and I’m always trying to get him to tone it down. To me, bashing gay people is a key sign of tolerance, and men who fail the test always edge a little closer to the asshole list.

On another semi-related subject, I’m a little mad about the Cali ruling on gay marriages. It’s sure to bring the issue to the forefront and make it another insignificant but divisive issue for the election in November.

16 05 2008
Rachism

I LOVE this posting… it’s on point. And let me just add that when I hear homophobic straight guys talking shit about gay men, I cut them off. Thats not sexy, nor is it reaffirming your masculinity to hate on someone elses sexual preferences. In fact, it only makes you (the homophobic ass-wipe) sound like you’re on the Down Low and struggling to deal with your sexual insecurities… and thats DEFINATELY not cute. its sad.

16 05 2008
Stephanie

Get out of my brain! That’s exactly how I feel.

16 05 2008
judd

your mention of your “unblemished heterosexuality” seems to indicate you might be a little homophobic yourself. while i agree that the type of guys you mentioned are unattractive, it is wrong to assume that all gay men are only attracted to buff, cultured, successful studs. like every other community, gay men display the spectrum of human variety, tastes, and characteristics. to assume that all gay men share the same narrow and shallow tastes, is to paint with too broad a brush. although your comments come from a positive place, they are still making broad assumptions and generalizations about a community that is comprised of different individuals.

16 05 2008
shabooty

re-cap of comedian Ant’s visit to the Howard Stern Show:

Ant said that a lot of gay guys won’t take long to screw each other, they just go right at it. Howard asked George Takei if that’s true and if he and Brad had done it. George said that they didn’t go right into it, they took it slow.

Howard said that Ant has a new boyfriend and heard that they went out and found a homeless guy to come home and have sex with them. Ant said he saw a guy who looked hot under all of the crud on his face. He offered him $50 to come home and have some fun with them but he refused. As they were walking away the guy said ”Make it a hundred” and agreed to come home with them.

Howard asked Ant where he found this guy. He said he was on Santa Monica and Fairfax and saw him hanging out. Ant said they didn’t interview the guy to find out if he was gay or not. Ant said the guy gave him oral and that was it. He said they cleaned the guy up and fed him before having sex with him. The guy blew him and his boyfriend and he did a good job at it so he must have been with other guys.

hayyyyyyyyoooooooooooooH!

16 05 2008
Cheekie

Spot-on, man! I can’t stand insecure douches who think every gay male wants them? I look at them like, “Mofo don’t YOU have standards?!. Would you bang every female who walked by you? Apply that same principle to them”. Asshats.

I like two-spirit, too and I’m also interested in where it comes from.

16 05 2008
Roger

@judd:

Dude, scale it back a notch…or ten.

Anyway, sadly not all of us are hot as hell–as I can verify by the number of troglodytes who have hit on me (like the one in Atlanta who would. not. shut the fuck up. after I told him that I wasn’t giving him my number and no, I didn’t care about what his name was, and I already had enough friends [please]). And here in South Carolina, it seems that this is the place where “hot” comes to die. I love going on websites like gay.com or Manhunt (shut up, yall!) and seeing the profile that describes a guy as “muscular” but the picture says “marshmallow.”

16 05 2008
PrettyPiscesGirl

Ant-knew he was a whore LOL!

16 05 2008
DavidMac

I’m not sorry for saying this, but this trying to shame people into accepting homosexuality aint working on me.

Homosexuality isn’t cool and shouldn’t be accepted, I support all legal ways of letting homosexuals know they engage in reprehensible behavior.

16 05 2008
Monie

Lindsay & Cheekie – Two Spirited is a Native American term.

Also Lindsay…When a guy keeps trying to hit on you after you have told him you aren’t interested; do you hate all heterosexual men?

What you said is like a White person saying they were once robbed by a Black man so now they hate all Black people.

16 05 2008
Lady

I didn’t get an attempt on shame from this post… but ok.

It kind of pisses me off when people start all that ‘homosexuality is disgusting’ and quote something biblical behind it. There are plenty animals in nature who are ‘homosexual’ so it’s not like God didn’t create homosexuality, and this is something that ‘Satan’ created to deter us from the ‘right path’. Humans, are in essence animals of a higher function, I see it as something that is in nature.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion about it, that is just mine.

16 05 2008
Mr. Smith

“For some reason, every pot bellied, beer swilling, stained t-shirt wearing, non-showering on the weekend, pork rind eating, anti-athletic fat fuck on the planet thinks every gay dude on the planet wants to suck his dick or bang him in the ass.”

Every fucking redskins fan I’ve ever met in person at a game!

16 05 2008
Cheekie

Monie – Ooops, I probably worded that wrong. I meant to ask what the background of the term was. I knew who used it (Chris noted so in his post), I was just wondering a little bit about the details. I like that concept of gay people having “Two spirits”, so I was wondering a little about the background.

16 05 2008
DavidMac

@Lady

There are plenty of animals that are gay, thats true. There are plenty of people who are born retarded too, you don’t see people lying to them and saying they are normal. IF people are born gay, thats a big if, then they are no different than a kid born with a deformity and they should accept that and move on, but trying to say being gay is as normal or regular as being heterosexual is a lie, it isn’t.

16 05 2008
Lindsay

@ Monie – ditto what Cheekie said.

And I never said it was admirable or right, I admitted it was a shortcoming of mine.

And to answer your question, yes, after I get hit on by a guy who won’t take no for an answer, it does make me wary of heterosexual men [who hit on me…maybe I should’ve been clearer about that part.]. 🙂

Also, I never used the word ‘hate.’

16 05 2008
Chelle

Man, this was a great, evolved post.

You’re so right; those with the greatest paranoia are often in the least danger. Perhaps it’s their need to feel desired on some level.

16 05 2008
Monie

Lindsay – Okay, got it. Thanks. Sorry if I implied that you used the word hate.

Cheekie – I like the term too. Native Americans (some) have a very enlightened view of homosexuality.

16 05 2008
Lady

“Normal” is relative. What i consider to be ‘normal’ may not be the case for you.. if you mean normal like, what the majority of society is doing then no, maybe it isnt normal, but how would you know?

Aside from all of that, my gripe is not about homosexuals trying to be ‘normal’, as i stated it’s more when people pounce on homosexuals and homosexuality like they’re purposely doing something to go against God’s wishes, or because they enjoy being called some kind of homophobic slur.

There are also plenty of people, some of who I happen to know who get very uncomfortable around people with down syndrome, people missing an appendage, etc, it doesnt make it right to call them gimps, or ‘Corkys’ or start singing the them song to ‘Life Goes On’ around them.. they know they’re not ‘normal’ but this is the hand they were dealt so..

..To compare homosexuality with a handicap is a bit extreme though…

I’m not sure where I stand as far as the whole nature vs. nurture thing, but I do know that if there was something I could do to stop being ridiculed by society, if i cared that much I’d do something about it. That’s why people dont come out of the closet, but it doesnt mean they’re not gay.

16 05 2008
Roger

@ David Mac
Oh, GREAT. A self-righteous homophobe for whom neither logic nor a hearty “get the fuck over yourself” would work. You’ve made my Friday, David Mac. And we in the Gay Community (with offices in NYC, Chicago, Atlanta, San Francisco and other stereotypical “gay” environs) thank you for your fatuous “condemnation” of our “reprehensible behavior.” I suppose it’s okay for Lil’ Kim to suck a guy’s dick–but two guys? Pearl clutching time! I suppose it’s okay for any woman to enjoy taking it up the bum–but two guys? Well, in David Mac’s world, es verboten! Because…it’s not natural? Whatever.

Oh, and your (fallacious) argument about retarded people–no one actively promotes legislation that categorizes them as disgusting, and by the way, your argument is beyond stupid. You cannot compare sexual orientation (or even preference) to mental retardation. Check your facts, genius–the American Psychological Association (as well as a host of other REPUTABLE organizations) no longer considers homosexuality a disorder. So PLEASE, join us in the 21st century.

16 05 2008
Cheekie

Sigh. I knew this argument would come up. What KILLS me about various religious group easily throwing “You’re going to hell” at homosexuals is that if those same groups are so holier than thou, they wouldn’t be JUDGING OTHERS. That’s the way I look at it.

I know the “choice vs. natural feeling” debate can get tiresome and will go on forever but I can’t imagine waking up one morning and thinkin’ “Ya know what, I’m gonna be attracted to Person A today and then Person B tomorrow” like I’m planning on what I’m going to eat or something. If the simple concept of “attraction” can’t be wittled down to making a concious choice and that it is a feeling we can’t really control, why can’t that concept be applied universally?

16 05 2008
Cheekie

*whittled and *conscious.

Dammit, I’m the Typo Queen regardless, but Fridays seem to especially get me. 🙂

16 05 2008
maya

Monie –

Being a friend of Lindsay’s, I can account for her waryness of people in general – male or female. LOL.

16 05 2008
Sister Toldja

As a proud friend of “the family” and aspiring fag hag (I only have a few close gay friends and I need more because I LOVE gay men, and not in a patronizing “can you do my hair way”), I approve this message.

Don’t even get me started on the typical Black male homophobe:

1) “My religon says it’s wrong”. This guy will still fuck 1000 before getting married and 57 more women after. He will have six kids by seven women, sell drugs and or never attend a church service in his life.

2) The Black militant who thinks that homosexuality is some “White mans shit”, yet has no research to support that fact and no research to support any of his ass backwards theories about the “allmighty Black man” which are really just his desperate attempts to “re-masculate” himself. He will also have six kids by seven women without thinking twice about it.

3) The closet queen, AKA 1/3 of the male populus at Howard, Morehouse or Hampton, in DC, Chicago, Detroit, and a large perentage of your favorite rappers. He will loudly shout “fag” and go home and make his wrists touch his ankles for some “homo thug” friend of his.

I went to a open forum about homophobia in Hip-Hop the other night (we learned about the two spirits, btw). There were about 12 people there, and every one was non-homophobic minus one older guy, but he wasn’t really out the box. Just not completely enlightened. I heard that the discussion about Black male images in Hip-Hop yielded a packed house and the one about misogyny had a half full room (albeit a bunch of misogynysts and women). I guess the closeted B-Boys decided to stay home and have some boy sex instead.

16 05 2008
judd

who wakes up one morning and says, “yes, today i have decided i would like to pursue a lifetime of ridicule and hatred!”? wtf?

16 05 2008
Sister Toldja

I met the most gorgeous gay man ever last night, btw. We exchanged numbers and if he werent in a committed relationship, I would have asked if he was bisexual. As a Black woman, it is inevitible that I will one day have sex with a man who has had sex with a man (probably have already), so he might as well be fine!

I got my views on gays from my parents. My dad is a Black militant alpha male. Like, he actually shoots guns and fishes for fun. Yet, he is the primary one who made sure that I didn’t judge, hate or fear gays. I never in my life considered that God made people gay only to bannish them to hell. It hurts me to my heart how much my people hate gays. It is just an example of what Paolo Frere posited in “Pedogogy of the Oppressed”: the nature of the oppressed is not to end all oppression, but to BECOME the oppressor. Black people foolishly attempt to oppress and malign gays just as Whites have abused and ridiculed us. The absurdity in that is that we are destroying our own when we do this. COME ON PEOPLE!

If you aren’t evolved enough to be okay with homosexuals, at least be decent enough to tolerate them. Don’t like the idea of gay marriage, cool. Don’t get gay married.

16 05 2008
angel

Let he who has NO sin cast the first stone.

Even if you believe that homosexuality is a sin its no greater a sin than the intolerance DM is preaching.

Great post Chris! Clearly some still don’t get it.

16 05 2008
DavidMac

@Lady
Normality with regards to how human beings are supposed to function is not relative, it is definite. Men are normally supposed to procreate and have sex with women and vice-versa. Men are not biologically designed to be with men and the same for women being with women. Thats just biology.

Now if gay people want to live their life fine, but I am against them trying to say their, “defect”, is the norm and they deserve to have the same status as heterosexual relationships, this is evidenced by their need, mission, want to have homosexual marriage recognized by the state.

I agree with you though, I am not for the open denigration of any people, ie calling them f@gs and all that stuff, but at the same time I’m not against people out there spreading pamphlets and letting their feelings be known that homosexuality is wrong.

@Roger

I’m not a homophobe, I have no fear of homosexuals or homosexuality. I just do not support it and I do not believe the lifestyle should be promoted like it is equal to the heterosexual lifestyle.

I look down on male sluts, female sluts, beastials, and other sexual deviants just as bad as I look down on homosexuals, homosexual males/female sluts, its no more different to me that being a crackhead or drug addict.

As for the APA, the simple reason that they held a vote to remove homosexuality as a disorder instead of doing research and using scientifc theory to make the choice for them shows me that that body is no longer reliable and is extremely subject to political influence. In other words, it means nothing to me.

16 05 2008
angel

Preach ST!! Especially this:

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16 05 2008
Roger

@David Mac,

In other words, the considered studies and conclusions of mental health professionals means nothing to you–essentially, you’d disregard logic in order to support your pathetic prejudices. Isn’t that the very definition of “willing ignorance”? You refuse to distinguish between sexual orientation and sexual act–not every homosexual is a “slut.”

Your argument from biology is plain stupid.

And in the same breath that you claim to not be for the denigration of gays and lesbians–what the hell do you think legislating against gays who want to legally cement their relationship is? Gays getting married doesn’t have jack diddly shit to do with you and with whom *you* wish to marry, so what’s your dog in that fight?

16 05 2008
imaG

Lol cool post

http://www.anythingblack.net

16 05 2008
angel

Was trying to quote this:

Don’t like the idea of gay marriage, cool. Don’t get gay married.

DM – you keep saying if gays want to live their lives that’s fine but then you support any and all means that prevent them from doing so. You can’t have it both ways. Either accept you are a bigot or STFU and move out of the way.

I know plenty of gay couples that could serve as examples to heterosexuals on how to have a healthy long term relationship yet they have to fight daily for rights that we take for granted. Me really thinks you protest too much.

16 05 2008
thechad1911

Good post Chris, glad you said something that i know alot of people have been thinking.

David Mac, out of curiosity, did you compare homosexual people to other “deviants” and drug addicts, then at the same time compare them to “retarded” children?

p.s. did you just use the term “retarded”?

trialandera.blogspot.com

16 05 2008
sarah

wow, i guess some people here have never read the Kinsey report. and DavidMac, humans are one of few creatures who have sex for pleasure and they are countless pleasure receptors in the anus… that is pure biology from someone who minored in the subject and majored in chemistry. i say this not to convert you to a flag waving, gay lover, but i just wanted to clear you up on the subject.

that being said, i wish people would let things go. i will say that DavidMac is entitled to his feelings and beliefs. there are always going to be people who do not agree wholeheartedly with someone elses choices, ethics, and lifestyles, but thats their feelings. he doesnt have to agree with or even be okay with homosexuality so stop pressing the issue to “educate” him or get him to be an “evolved” person, whatever that means.

16 05 2008
Lady

DavidMac: Normality with regards to how human beings are supposed to function is not relative, it is definite.

That’s a bit harsh IMO.. they’re functioning fine as humans as far as we know.

Gay men are not having sex to procreate though. Sex IMO has three purposes

1 – procreation
2 – a physical expression of love
3 – fun

They can do two out of the three, just as heterosexual people do. It is not a defect, when you get down to the basics, it’s humans loving humans. Marraige is Marraige, whether it be between a man and a woman, two women, or two men, it’s the union of two people out of love, so why shouldnt they have the same rights? It’s not about having the same rights as heteros it’s about having the same rights as other humans. Freedom of speech, the right to vote, etc, all those are human rights, and gay men/women are human.

I don’t want to go as far as saying that you’re wrong for feeling they way you do, it’s your right, but I don’t agree. While it’s not the norm for me, if it is for someone else, I won’t knock them for it. Loving someone is all good in my book.

16 05 2008
thechad1911

ooops…

trialandera.wordpress.com i put the wrong url

16 05 2008
maya

LOL @ ST.

I got my views of homosexuality from… I’m not sure who. Life? One of my family members is gay (my mom swears on a stack of Bibles she’s known since he was 10) and it just is what it is. He is so flamboyant that there’s no getting around it, either; there were plenty of moments in our childhood (we’re the same age) where I felt like he was trying to “out girl” me – we were both cheerleaders, and I remember one day was damn-near challenging me to a cheer off. When he got to the acrobatics, this nigga did a full split on the floor and it hurt the penis that I don’t have. Other instances include the random performance of Britney Spears choreography and the insistent need to show me his tongue piercing when he first got it. None the less, I love him, and when I see him around with the kids, everything is everything. God, if they aren’t a colorful bunch.

Surprisingly(?) Philadelphia is one of the nation’s so-called “gay-friendly” cities. Downtown, there are plenty of rainbow flags, and Philly after dark on the weekend shows a vast array of “alternative lifestyle” (I HATE that term) personas.

I went to Catholic school until 6th grade, and then started a Quaker school. I never believed all the religious-based hate espoused at my Catholic school, and at my 2nd school, I learned and grew to appreciate so many more things because I was exposed to them and learned about them – for instance, knowing about “two-spirits” or having an openly-gay practicing Catholic English teacher who was very reconciled with all parts of his identity. I always thought that the way he shared his story was inspiring, even if you aren’t gay, because it showed that people were a lot more complex and life is much more fluid than just being one thing or another.

I HATE when people use the word “fag” or any other ridiculous slur therein. It makes peole sound so ignorant and I ESPECIALLY hate the rampid homophobia in the Black community. Countless times I’ve equated the word “nigger” to “faggot,” usually leaving people dumbfounded as to what to say.

16 05 2008
Yonnie3k

I once asked a very feminine (i think someone described a , “charicature of a woman”) gay black male how a woman can tell if a man is on The Down Low. He said 1) if he’s an alcoholic it may be to hide something, and 2) if he is way over the top homophobic. Ladies – add this to your checklist. BTW, he said that a lot of his friends ONLY date married men. I’m in Atlanta if you were wondering.

Gentlemen, please add this to the list of things that will make a woman (at least most black ones – Mrs. McGreevy anyone?) go Lorena Bobbit on you in a minute.

16 05 2008
Yonnie3k

At the risk of drawing ire from those that destest wikipedia as an information source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_spirit

16 05 2008
shabooty

the worst part about being gay is getting shit in your dick-slit.

16 05 2008
Yonnie3k

This site isn’t letting me post the link, but wikipedia (i know, i know) has an entry for Two Spirit.

16 05 2008
Monie

Lol@Maya

Chris – Homophobia is not really the term that describes people who dislike Gay people. Bigotry would be a better term since as DavidMac says “I’m not a homophobe, I have no fear of homosexuals or homosexuality. I just do not support it and I do not believe the lifestyle should be promoted like it is equal to the heterosexual lifestyle.”

DavidMac – There are countries in which Gay people are put to death for simply being Gay. If being gay was a choice, lifestyle, then why would people in those countries choose it?

Even in the U.S. Gay men and women are routinely attacked and even killed just because they are Gay, again why would anyone CHOOSE such a potentially dangerous LIFESTYLE?

Being Gay, contrary to popular belief has nothing to do with sex. Being Gay is about who you love. There are plenty of so-called straight people who have sex with someone of the same gender who are not Gay.

And about using Christianity to bash Gay people and in particular on the subject of same sex marriage; many people say the bible or Christianity is against same sex marriage; and yet those same people never mention that the bible is against divorce. The bible also promotes polygamy. In other words the bible says a lot of stuff. It’s amazing how many so-called Christians like to pick and choose things from the bible that don’t apply to them.

My goal in writing this is not to change your mind about disliking homosexuality. I understand that many people do not have the capacity to understand anything that they have never personally experienced. Some people are just limited in that way. My goal is to simply say that being Gay does not require your approval or understanding any more than Astrophysics requires your approval or understanding to exist.

16 05 2008
Yonnie3k

Shabooty, how do you know?

16 05 2008
Yonnie3k

Uhhh….Monie….gotta call B.S. on this one:

Being Gay, contrary to popular belief has nothing to do with sex. Being Gay is about who you love. There are plenty of so-called straight people who have sex with someone of the same gender who are not Gay.

Take heed jailbirds – If you have sex with someone of the same sex – YOU ARE GAY. Hence the word: homo (same) sexual

16 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

HA! This is some true ish right here. Every guy I have ever met that was a slob always thought that every gay dude even one of his closest friends wanted to bum him up the ass. Im like honey you your not his type trust me because one you arent thar damn fit, two you plain and your not that exciting not even to me haha. I will admit I have fallen for a douchebag but he was a pretty boy though, who hasnt but he didnt have the fancy car or job, I dont usually find guys attractive or interesting by what they have or the way they look to me its all about their personality and how I feel around them. I couldnt give 2 scoops of poop if dude drove an exotic car, prob because I like old cars that are tricked out like a 65 Shelby(sigh). You know like at car shows. Anywho so when me and this douchebag started dating it was all good we went out and all that good stuff then we moved in together, mind you i was 18-19 blindly in love with this older guy and when i mean older im mena like 12 yrs older than me! then shit changed he turned out to be this always int he fucking mirror pre-madonna asshole and this whole time I had a guy friend( on the scruffy side, sweet, smart as hell, small beer belly) who now is my husband to be telling me that i dont need that asshole in my life. I guess you can say i learned the hard way and went for the boy next door.

My dad is homophobic… he actually told me that he would dis-own me if I told him I was a lesbian.. But I think the only reason he says things like that is because when he was younger like 6 or 7 he was raped by his gay uncle. SMH

16 05 2008
Muse

Chris the timing of this topic is on point considering that yesterday the CA Supreme court passed legislation to remove the ban on gay marriages. Funny enough I heard a bunch of straight dudes talking about how gays are going to fuck up marriage. Um hello, heterosexual people have done a good job by themselves screwing up marriage. My view is that gays now have the right to be just as miserable as heterosexual people.

Most men who feel the need the bash homosexuals are usually closet gays themselve and have no come to terms with their own sexuality. Unfortunately for them they are not hot or impressive enough to pull a fabulous gay man. For whatever reason they believe that bashing gays will validate their manhood when in fact they end up looking like total pompous asshole.

One of my close man friends happens to be gay. Hanging out with him has taught me so much about the male species in general. Most gay guys I know don’t give a crap about how straight men think or feel. In fact gay guys are discouraged from pursing relationships with pseudo straight men because they are confused about their sexuality and bring nothing but drama.

16 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

they made gay marriage legal in Cali now i read it on AOL news yesterday.

16 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

Muse-One of my close man friends happens to be gay. Hanging out with him has taught me so much about the male species in general. Most gay guys I know don’t give a crap about how straight men think or feel. In fact gay guys are discouraged from pursing relationships with pseudo straight men because they are confused about their sexuality and bring nothing but drama.

Right! One of my bestfriend is gay as well and he said the same thing! He was like girl be careful picking these men because some of them are on the DL. http://www.oprah.com/tows/pastshows/200404/tows_past_20040416.jhtml

A few weeks ago he said he met this guy at a gay bar swearing up and down that he wasnt gay but he liked to get his dick sucked by men because his wife sucked at it! HIS WIFE!!!! Like men know what to do with a dick because they have one and know what men like. My jaw dropped when he told me that!

16 05 2008
maya

Okay, but about this DL shit…

I hate Oprah’s approach to the topic. She’s made an already-complicated and difficult situation more one-sided and salacious than it already is or needs to be.

“The DL” is NOT just a Black people thing. And she framed that whole conversation like Black men are sexual deviants who can’t control their sex and cheat on their wives. GAY men (of any color) do this. Look at all the times the shit happens in Washington. Do we call it “the DL?” No, we say they “realized they were gay.” Fuck outta here, Oprah. Thank you for once gain portraying Black men as degridants to society.

16 05 2008
DavidMac

@angel

I think its pretty clear the point I was making. If they want to be gay, there are no laws in the US saying they can’t do that. I just don’t believe that the relationships between homosexuals, genetically/sexually retarded, should be put on the same level as normal heterosexual relationships be allowing them to marry.

@thechad

Yes I did compare homosexuality to sexual deviants and yes, I did use the term retarded.

@sarah
The Kinsey report has been recognized by the scientific community as being inaccurate and tainted by Kinsley’s own bias, being that he was bisexual and engaged in wife swapping with his students.

Humans do engage in sex for pleasure, so do dolphins and other animals, I don’t understand how that leads to the argument that homosexuality is alright and normal. The bottom line is although sex happens for pleasure, the underlying drive for sex is for procreation.

I would like to thank you for not trying to convert me or use terms such as evolve on me. I think you understand that I’m not trying to turn others into hate filled homophobes, I just don’t agree with the lifestyle/condition.

@Lady

I guess we will agree to disagree on this one. While sex had for pleasure, the biological goal is for reproduction.

As for gays loving each other, more power to them, I am not saying kill them all or ban them from society. I just feel that marriage is a creation of the state, and that it is a sign of the relationship that the society has chosen to hold as the model or goal. I do not think our society should hold homosexual relationships on the same level as heterosexual ones, because they are not normal relationships.

@Monie

I am not a bigot. As for the affairs in other parts of the world, I”m not talking about those places, I’m talking about the US.

As for “hate crimes” on homosexuals, how many murders against gays were there this year in the US motivated solely based on sex. Hell, how many assaults were there? (They should have it in the doj site) I doubt it is a big epedimic as you think it is, at least statistically speaking.

As for being gay, it is all about wanting to have sex with someone of the same sex. Love has nothing to do with it.

You can hate Christianity all you want, but I have not used it at all to support my feelings on homosexuality. If someone did though, why should you get mad, it is a part of Christianity that states homosexuality is not behavior that God condones. I think it would be bigoted of you to think that a person should adjust their religious beliefs to not offend you and your world beliefs.

16 05 2008
Educated NSU Demon

Is it impossible to not have a problem with homosexuality, but to have a problem with the homosexual “lifestyle”? I firmly believe that one of the minor reasons homophobia still exists (aside from the fact that people, in general, are stupid), is because some gay people themselves make a bigger deal out of their own homosexuality than it actually is at times. There’s a way of being proud without it becoming overkill. It makes me understand why white people resent black people who are constantly screaming “Black power”. That shit can get annoying….

But from what I’ve observed and gathered in my communications with gays, “typical” gays do have higher standards in relationships, but when it comes to sex they’re easier than most women (and it makes sense, b/c at the end of the day, they are technically men too…and lets face it, straight or gay, we’re all whores). Granted, the fat slobs that CLAIM to hate them the most don’t have a shot in hell, even if it’s just sex. Of course a lot of times homophobia from these slobs comes from the fact that they’re resentful of gays b/c they know they don’t have a chance. lol

16 05 2008
maya

…and another thing:

Terri McMillan and her exhusband on Oprah was a disgraceful mess. Don’t get me wrong, I would’ve been beyond pissed and probably would devote a considerable part of my life to his demise (although I don’t understand how how she didn’t see that fool was gay…) that whole showing on Oprah was pathetic. Terri McMillan made herself look incredibly bitter, Oprah was beating up on the poor boy and it once again portrayed the picture to white American that black men and women are dysfunctional.

16 05 2008
Knatural

Yeah, the Caricature. The over-the-top, effeminate, ‘flaming’ (sorry) behavior that some gay men exhibit bothers me. I dislike any behavior that’s extra. Maybe because my personality is more reserved, not sure. Maybe it’s because I’ve never had gay friends and only know of distant gay relatives. As far as gay issues, people are people, plight is plight, and we all deserve the same human rights, including legally recognized marriage.

16 05 2008
maya

that smiley was added by wordpress. not me.

16 05 2008
Muse

Although I don’t agree with being gay, amongst a lot of other things such has folks having kids out of wedlock, taxes, traffic, etc.; I respect people to make their own life choices. It is none of my business who you sleep with unless you produce a child that you can’t afford and my tax money has to pay for your bad life choices. I’m not going treat gay people differently from straight people. I’m an equal opportunity hater LOL. I have family members who are gay and they are awesome people. I have male and female friends who are gay they’ve been great. Gay guys are the best because they will be honest about how I look and will have nothing to do with me if we go out and I’m looking a hot mess.

As for the down low phenomenon, Black gay men have been around forever. My issue with DL gays is that if you have a wife, cheating is WRONG whether it be with a man or another woman. DL gay men and woman cannot have their cake and eat it too. If you want to sleep with both genders your partner has the right to know especially with STDs and HIV killing Black people in large numbers. I think it is incredibly foul to have a wife but sleep around with other men, especially without protection.

16 05 2008
Muse

OMG Terri McMillian’s ex was so gay that fool was shitting rainbows and glitter. Hell even metro guys don’t have perfectly arched eyebrows and mac lipgloss…Geez

16 05 2008
maya

@ Muse:

I agree. Cheating is wrong. From anyone. But straight men go around sleeping with other people without protection, too.

16 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

totally agree maya about the DL thing.. its not just a “black man” thing its all races…”And she framed that whole conversation like Black men are sexual deviants who can’t control their sex and cheat on their wives”. She only said it that way because she knows white ppl sign her fuckin paycheck…no offense to Oprah lovers but she aint nothing but a house nigga to me.. I cant stand her show..shit is borderline martha stewart boring…haha I hate the segament when she helps out a poor black person..its fine and dandy but damn liek every person she donates money to is this poor black girl n shit making us black women look like we all “aint got shit”…ok im done

16 05 2008
Monie

Maya – I agree with you about Oprah. Many of her shows portray Black people as being generally problematic.

Yonnie3k – My question then would be; how many of those men, after leaving prison continue to have sex with men? There is such a thing as situational sex. In other words people who are compelled to have sex, if in a situation where their choices are limited, will adjust to their environment.

DavidMac – As I’m sure you know; at no point in my comment did I say I hated Christianity.

16 05 2008
Knatural

“Terri McMillian’s ex was so gay that fool was shitting rainbows and glitter” AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AHAHAHHAHA AHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH That sounds so pretty!

16 05 2008
Muse

If you are a Christian, the bible clearly condemns homosexuality along with premarital sex, murder, lying, stealing, greed etc… My issue as a Christian is when other Christians turn psycho and develop selective amnesia when it comes to the bible. God does not hate gays. Nowhere does it say that gays are going to hell. HOWEVER God doesn’t like the act of homosexuality. So all those homophobic Christians running around pointing the finger at gays really need to look in house and see what type of behavior they are participating in that God also doesn’t like. Unless you are a virgin who never lied, cheated, felt envy, greed etc., then you might want to slow down on the judgement unless you want to be judged the same way.

16 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

Muse-OMG Terri McMillian’s ex was so gay that fool was shitting rainbows and glitter. Hell even metro guys don’t have perfectly arched eyebrows and mac lipgloss…Geez

this made me think of that scene from Horton Here’s a Who..ok dont ask why i saw this movie I was with a five yr old ahaha

16 05 2008
sarah

DavidMac, i brought up the fact that humans are of few creatures that have sex for pleasure because those few other creatures who do have sex for pleasure also exhibit homosexual behavior, including dolphins. so, please stop using the word “normal” because all of your references to the word have come to dead ends.

16 05 2008
Knatural

Flipper is gay!

16 05 2008
sarah

Mrs. Epps, i co-sign that the whole DL phenomenon is not just a black man thing. most people from DC know that after hours, 14th street is lined with “girls” selling their bodies. most of the cars that pick them up are driven by white males with Virginia tags. and i dont think they care to check the neck.

16 05 2008
maya

Is it just me, or does Terri McMillan’s ex look like “Punk” from I Love New York?

Sigh.

16 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

lol@ DC know that after hours, 14th street is lined with “girls” selling their bodies. most of the cars that pick them up are driven by white males with Virginia tags. and i dont think they care to check the neck.
righttttt…

16 05 2008
Yonnie3k

Am I the only one not buying this “situationally gay” mess? You can’t be “a little pregnant” or “kind of a virgin.” Either you are or you are not.

Anyone?

16 05 2008
maya

I also hate people who try to discern the sexual orientation of CARTOONS and other children’s characters.

Who the fuck was the asshole that started talking shit on Tinky Winky or whatever his name is from Teletubbies. Please, people, get control of your minds.

16 05 2008
Monie

Muse – People being on the DL exists because of homophbia/ bigotry. If there were no stigma to being Gay, if people didn’t lose friends, family, church simply for being Gay, there would be no reason to hide it.

If people want to end the DL thing, then they should work to end hatred of Gay people. I think most men who are on the DL are afraid to be themselves for fear of losing everything/ everyone in their lives.

Do you agree?

16 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

Maya at 1st I thought was Terri’s ex! I wa sliek what his gay ass doing on this show hahahha and Buddah looke dlike a cuter non-cockeyed Debo ahahaha

16 05 2008
Yonnie3k

Flipper also was a racist!! How you gonna be a gay racist?

One of my favorite Chappelle skits of all times…..good times…good times.

16 05 2008
DavidMac

@Muse
You are right, Christians shouldn’t look down on anyone because everyone is a sinner and fallen short. That doesn’t mean that they can’t speak out against the action though. To say a Christian can’t speak out against homosexuality because there might be sin in their life is to say a Christian can’t speak out against, murder, theft, or other issues and I disagree with that sentiment.

@sarah
There are a great deal of animals that don’t have sex for pleasure but also engage in homosexual activity, dogs, penguins, cats, etc. That being said the behavior is still not normal.
A man is biologically designed for a woman not a man, the same for women. Normal behavior is for sexual intercourse to occur between members of the opposite sex, there is no getting around that. There is nothing relative about it.

16 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

anyone ever see that episode of Judge Mathis witht he white dude that was married to his wife for 10 yrs but was a cross-dresser..Like what the fuck…and he said that he wasnt gay he just liked wearing womens clothing..what kinda ish?? And the get this the wife looked more manish than him…

16 05 2008
Knatural

AHAHAHAHAHAHAH@Yonnie! Maya, I thought “Punk” was her ex. And hated when they said Bert & Ernie were gay. Don’t fuck with Sesame Street, ok.
And I don’t believe in situational sex, nor bi-sexuality.

16 05 2008
DavidMac

Yonnie3k

I’m with you. People who have sex in jail with dudes aren’t doing it because they are locked up, they do it because they are gay and looking for an excuse.

16 05 2008
Muse

Monie,

I don’t agree. If you are gay then be gay. That’s a choice you’ve made so deal with people’s reactions. It’s not easy being Black but I’m not bleaching my skin or pretending that I’m Indian or Mexican. Putting another human being at risk because you are afraid of the backlash is faggotry at its best. Don’t get married and live a fraudulent life if you like to suck dick.

16 05 2008
Muse

If someone is gay let them rock out with their cock out for all I care. Just don’t pretend and get some poor lady/gyt to marry you as a cover up (unless she/he is in on it and well that’s your business)

DavidMac: I didn’t say Christians shouldn’t speak out in what they believe in. However there is a way to have mature honest dialogue withou being a bigot. I don’t agree with being gay but I’m not going to go protest and burn crosses either. In my opinion it is a lifestyle choice and those happen to be gay deserve respect as human beings. Even my gay friends know by views but they like me anyway because I’m honest and I respect them for the people that they are, not their lifestyle choices.

16 05 2008
Monie

Muse – As a woman I can’t speak for men who are on the DL. I was simply asking if the DL was a reaction to bigotry. I was thinking more along the line of what is the solution to what has become a problem.

It’s easy to villify these men but how do we make woman safer, as you point out, from the dangers of dating men on the DL?

16 05 2008
Muse

Monie,

Women are responsible for their own sexual health. You can’t stop a DL man from lying so it is important woman protect their health. Use a condom, don’t fuck everything that buys you dinner. We all have fun and comes talking about sex on here but at the end of the day use discretion and get to know the person before you decide to fuck them. And use a condom seriously….I’m shocked that people still have sex raw with all the diseases running around. All those stories of woman catching HIV and STDs is because they let their guard down and let these men beat without condoms. How absurd.

16 05 2008
Roger

“A man is biologically designed for a woman not a man, the same for women. Normal behavior is for sexual intercourse to occur between members of the opposite sex, there is no getting around that. There is nothing relative about it.”

Just because you keep saying it doesn’t make it factual.

In other words, get the fuck outta here with that antiquated bullshit.

16 05 2008
DavidMac

@Roger

I don’t know what kind of chip you have on your shoulder, but the facts of life don’t change just because they don’t suit you and your worldview.

16 05 2008
Monie

Muse – I agree with you. Woman have to be proactive in being safe. I think that most thinking woman are. I just worry about more vunerable women.

16 05 2008
Muse

Well vulnerable women need to stop being a victim and make their partners use condoms.

Call me a jerk but I don’t feel bad for grown people catching STDs. I mean you are in American where condoms are everywhere. IF you want to be a sloppy hoe and fuck anything then don’t get mad when it hurts to pee. Seriously.

16 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

If you gay fine who gives a fuck..I dont..I got plenty of gay friends and I love them all. I dont judge people on their sexual preference. You like dudes and your a dude but your cool peoples Im cool with you..same goes for females. I except people for who they are and what they like even if I believe in something different. This doesnt mean go and start fucking each other in front of me…Like watching porn(you know i had to go there hahah) I can watch girl on girl porn, straight porn and stuff but when it comes to dude on dude I cant stomach that shit, I remember when I started watching BrokeBack Mountain..I couldnt do it I started to gag..

16 05 2008
Knatural

What about the cheating married men? Married people typically don’t use condoms. In that case, it’s ultimately the man’s responsibility to be honest with himself and his spouse. Women should also pay attention to red-flags because they’re always present.

16 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

Muse-Well vulnerable women need to stop being a victim and make their partners use condoms.

Call me a jerk but I don’t feel bad for grown people catching STDs. I mean you are in American where condoms are everywhere. IF you want to be a sloppy hoe and fuck anything then don’t get mad when it hurts to pee. Seriously.

I agree..so many women walking around pissed off at other ppl for giving them an STD..It’s like c’mon now you are 22 yrs old and you know ppl got the sauce but yet when it comes down tot he nitty gritty you dont use the condom…Stop being a fucking lazy ass and tell his ass to strap up. No glove No fucking love! Same for men…if you now the bitch is around the way chick and is well known in the community for fucking dudes get your mind right and slap on that rubber

16 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

Knat-What about the cheating married men? Married people typically don’t use condoms. In that case, it’s ultimately the man’s responsibility to be honest with himself and his spouse. Women should also pay attention to red-flags because they’re always present

true and it goes for married women as well because women cheat as much as men do…

16 05 2008
Knatural

WOW@the sauce, haven’t heard that in a minute! Since junior high!

16 05 2008
Muse

Mrs. Epps, people need to be mindful of who they are marrying. If you dated a shady Negro and decide to marry him, be prepared for some surprises. DL guys don’t suddenly develop the taste of dick during their midlife crisis. There are signs. Women just choose to ignore them. I have no problem running background checks and getting all the dirty on my potential spouse before I get married because I do not like surprises that don’t involve cake and Harry Winston jewelry.

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

I have to say that I’m rather disappointed in some of you. Not David because he’s a bigot and always will be one so whatever.

Being gay is not a “lifestyle choice”. Dyeing your hair black and filing your teeth down so you can be a “vampire” is a lifestyle choice. Wearing heels everyday is a lifestyle choice. Going to every single football game your town’s team plays is a lifestyle choice.

Attraction is biological. You can’t get hard if you aren’t biologically stimulated by whatever it is that is making you hard. Men are fairly simple that way. Women are a totally different story and I won’t even get into the weirdness that is women and the reasons they are attracted to certain people.

Chris is dead right about women giving points to dudes with fancy cars and a little bling. There are very few women (i.e. me and some of the commentors here) who don’t play that shit. However, how many hoes do you see at a club who would go home with a dumbass in a rented maserati?

16 05 2008
benjie

i basically just *shrug* when it comes to homosexuality
i really don’t care what people do with whom in their own bedrooms. as long as it has no effect on me and my life…. then what does it really matter.

…i had a whole point that i wanted to address, but all of a sudden i actually had work to do. and of course i completly forgot what i was gonna say.
boo.

but.. philadelphia is a gay friendly town
just walk down 13th st. once i even heard it referred as “the gayborhood” on the news
if you’re cool with hanging out there though,
bump on 13th and sansom has 3 dollar martinis from 5-7 daily for happy hour.
yeah…twisted for 9 bucks. my fav place to be

16 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

Hell yea Muse me too!!!!!! I did a background check on my bestfriends now husband because I didnt know shit about him and I found him kind of sketchy..luckily for him everythign was straight. He thought I was looney but shit he was gonna marry my bestfriend who is like the big sister I never had, gotta look out for the fama nd friends. I have done the same for my guy bestfriend as well checked shit out on his fiance and found out the hoe was hiding a child from him from one of her previous relationships and that she had herpies eww…thank god he used a condom and didnt catch it! phew!

16 05 2008
Muse

Not Blonde, where is the scientific evidence that proves being gay is biological? Is there a gay gene? A hormone? Or maybe it is society and environmental factors that influence sexuality?

Being gay is a choice, not a biological predisposition.

16 05 2008
naija babe

hmm lots of gay men or should i say boys will fuck an old greasy man if he has money and can support his lifestyle. im not saying women don’t do it, but the gay world has its own share of sleaze.

um as for the people talking about gay people who act extra, i feel ya, i hate it when anyone acts extra, but im pretty sure its not an act for them … i dont see how people can choose which aspects of homosexuality they agree with it or don’t like … so what? you only like gay people who don’t act extra? i hope that is not what y’all are trying to say

furthermore, in nature, you find people who eat their young, abandon their young, fuck their kids, eat their spouses after having sex with them, so yeah homosexuality is natural but as we all know nature isn’t perfect and just becasue it’s natural doesn’t mean its good. nature fucks up a lot… you know.

@maya, what religious infused hate did you learn at your catholic school. in my opinion, what the church teaches is hard, but it certainly doesnt profess hatred of anybody, especially not homosexuals. the sad part is a lot of people misunderstand or don’t know what the church actually teaches on a variety of things. cnn aint the vatican y’all. read the compendium or encyclicals … after that, form an opinion.

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

Oh, and I went to this meeting with my mom, who is homophobic but only against lesbians so I guess she’s lesbophobic like Muse, and this guy there said being homosexual is a disease and he jokingly referred to it as faggicitus. My mom got up, and pulled me by the arm and we went to leave and the guy who was speaking called after us saying that our gay friends would “Rot in hell”.

I think a lot of black people are homophobic because they were brought up Christian and Christians have serious issues with it. I was brought up Christian but never believed in God, i believe in Christian principles. Those Christian principles include being accepting of everyone and what they choose or were born to do. “Not agreeing” is just as bad as not accepting. It’s bigotry, plain and simple.

16 05 2008
maya

omg, benjie i love you. 13th street is POPPIN!!! LOL.

friend me on fb if you’re on it. let’s hang out! i will be tip drillin’ at mar bar tonight.

16 05 2008
Muse

Who said I was “so I guess she’s lesbophobic like Muse”

NotBlonde, slow your role man. Who said I had a problem with Lesbians? Where did you read that? Did I miss something? I have gay friends who are male and female.

16 05 2008
naija babe

notblonde
lol attraction is rarely biological, its trained … things that have influenced you over the years. when attraction is biological … we say you have found your soulmate. its also why someone talking dirty in french if you don’t understand it won’t get you wet.

16 05 2008
naija babe

notblonde,
i would disagree with your blanket statement that christians are homophobic by virtue of their religion. im christian, nothing in my religious experience has mandated that i be homophobic
i got to berkeley too actually. finals …eek

16 05 2008
benjie

see maya
i told my mother that booze brings people together.
lol

are you in the philly network?

16 05 2008
naija babe

lol i am DEATHLY afraid of butch black lesbians, so i guess im lesbophobic. i used to be afraid from afar, now i have just cause

16 05 2008
DavidMac

@notblonde
I would agree with you that being gay was not genetic if in fact there were not gay people who changed back and are now heterosexual.

16 05 2008
maya

@ benjie –

yeah, i am. last name sounds like the name of a country. lol.

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

@Naija babe, what year are you? I actually go to Berkeley too; I’m a junior.

@muse, sorry maybe that was maya who said that she fears lesbians because she got hardcore hit on by one.

And where is the scientific evidence that being gay is a choice? The point I was trying to make was that a guy isn’t going to get it up for a another guy unless he’s attracted to said guy. Where is the confusion?

16 05 2008
maya

@ notblonde –

no, my dear, that was not me. please scroll up to see my long tirade about tolerance and how much homophobia irks me.

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

@David, no one “changes back” from being gay. That is the most ignorant statement I’ve read on this board.

16 05 2008
Muse

There is no biological links to being gay. It’s been established by the scientific community. homosexuality is influenced by environment.

Feeling hunger is a biological act. getting Fat is a biological act (partial influenced by lifestyle choices)…Choosing to eat snatch or suck dick is not.

16 05 2008
Knatural

I think sexuality is a combination of learned behavior and genetic determinants. No one is born gay and no one chooses to be gay. It’s probably a lil of both, if that makes sense. Human sexuality is to complex to base it only on birth or only on environment. Like nurture vs. nature.
And NotBlonde – ‘“Not agreeing” is just as bad as not accepting. It’s bigotry, plain and simple.’ How does this make sense?

16 05 2008
maya

I don’t know, Muse…sometimes I get a hankering for peen in a way that just seems to feel bigger than me…

Hahaha, that was both childish and inappropriate.

16 05 2008

I am a homophobe…straight up. I however do not dislike a person or treat them different because they are gay. So maybe there is another word. I don’t get their lifestyle I don’t want to see it, just like I don’t want to see my bff kissing her man.

I respect a woman who is atracted to a woman and a man who is attracted to a man. (THIS IS WHERE MY HOMO PHOBIA COMES IN) What I don’t understand is when a man-man or a woman-woman gets with a mate who lives/talks/walks/dress like the opposite sex.
ex. JAMES is dating william who lives his life as Willamena, has breast cut off his (god given) dick. WTF GET A WOMAN JAMES!!!!!!!!!!!

Then Tammy gets with Lauren who now go’s by larry, Larry has a fade tapes down her his breast and wears a dildo when they sleep together. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? ARE WE DOING THIS TO DISGUST THE ELDERLY??????? TAMMY GO HOLLER AT BILLY, HE IS IN FUCKING LOVE WITH YOU!!!!!!!! and get this tammy HE HAS A DICK THAT DOESN’T DETACT!

I personally think it’s disgusting and really don’t understand the whole concept. I don’t understand why! I LOVE MEN, granted they are assholes but there is no better creation on the planet earth other than sex is a man. (and peach cobbler)

It’s just unnatural to me. I don’t …I can’t. sO I dont usually talk about it or even comment about gays.

16 05 2008
sarah

naija babe, attraction is purely biological. it is characterised by stimulation in the brain. this is also why i disagree with those who have said there are no degrees of sexuality. sometimes, you really can’t help who you are attracted to. there is a whole chemical exchange that occurs in the brain and i don’t think there are filters to discern whether said attraction is to a boy or girl. although i consider myself a heterosexual, i have in fact been attracted to females. it was nothing learned or trained, cause if it were the feelings would have never presented themselves. that being said, i have never acted on these attractions because actions, not feelings or attractions, are trained.

16 05 2008
Seven

Great post and even better comments; and to ST about the closet queens…you said a mouthful. I live in a suburb of Atlanta and I observe that behavior all the time. I know it can be difficult to truly be who you are when live in a very homophobic area/city, but good gosh – this is Atlanta or should I say the “San Fran of the South.” Live your life and be happy…we are all going to die one day.

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

@Knatural, bigotry is not being tolerant of something. I equate that with “not agreeing” with something. If someone says they dont agree with you it means they do not approve of what are you are doing. They are bigoted towards your viewpoint.

16 05 2008

**detach

16 05 2008
naija babe

notblonde, he can be trained by the experiences, influences, environment and other external factors to be attracted to the guy. i mean if its genetic, at best, he’s attracted a to small subset of men who should also share the same sort of genetic markers, sort of like DNA and there would need to be something that the other guy is producing that is diffusing into his own body that produces a reaction or binds to receptor or produces an enzyme that triggers something in his brain and makes him happy. at worst, the guy is just genetically attracted to the effects of the Y chromosome, in which case all those slobby straight men have reason to be afraid.

one could argue that the same could apply for hetero couples but remember the machinery for heteros is already in place because the biological/genetic point of sex is kids. in which case the argument could then be that the machinery mutated to work for homo couplees which could be a good argument. but for you to say one is biologically attracted to a specific individual is not supported by science.

furthermore, one must not forget the brain plays a great role in this. since women are biologically wired to mate with men, at least in most cases, why in the world do we find ourselves not wanting to get nasty with our parents.. i think its because since the brain is innudated with all these messages that its wrong so it effectively blocks any sort of arousal. this doesnt always work as there are cases of incest molestation, where the molestee feels bad because the molestation feels kinda good and also people who are related but dont know and fall in love and of course the many incestous cases today.

im a senior, about to bounce out of here lol!

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

@ Ne, personally, I don’t get that either. I wonder why they don’t just get themselves someone of the opposite sex but I think it may have something to do with shared experiences. No matter how butch a woman is, she’s still a woman and can talk about things that guys just don’t understand. And like Sarah said, I believe that there are degrees of sexuality. Not everyone fits into the heterosexual or homosexual box.

Why do you think it’s “disgusting”?

16 05 2008
maya

you guys should do some studies on gender. it may help to clear up some confusion about the type of things ne brought up concerning surgeries, etc.

16 05 2008
zoso

“non-showering on the weekend”

My roommates. At least they’re not fat slobs though…

“It’s rendered all the more remarkable that the homophobic slob thinks he has a chance with gay dudes, but knows damn well that he doesn’t stand a chance with a hot chick – when the exact opposite is true.”

Sad but true.

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

@najia babe

I tend to think people know incest is wrong because it causes birth defects and humans are predisposed to wanting birth defectless children.

However, incest was waaaaay rampant with Greek people way back when and Egyptians. As was being gay, which from one of my professors was said to be the “purest” type of sex because males were the “purest” beings.

16 05 2008
naija babe

sarah, perhaps i should have said attraction to a certain person or small subset is rarely biological. we are trained by lots of things to find certain features or a combination thereof attractive, some of the things are biological true but they are designed to produce healthy kids and pass on our DNA! (ample hips, male sweat=testoreone, blah blah blah ) so in that case one must conclude that a mutation occured in gay people and they are wired wrong, at least for the biological case. the rest they seemed to have learnt, perhaps from gay Uncle Al

please note, i dont necessary agree with the above conclusion.

16 05 2008
Sister Toldja

OMG, yes Maya! Punk DOES look like John Plummer! I thought I was the only one who peeped! However, I don’t think he was gay ( I saw him in Chicago this winter and he had cut the curl, thank goodness). He’s actually pretty cute. Just think he rolls with a White or mixed crowd that would not see the problem in the tight shirts and juicy conks. Remember that show on lifetime “Gay, Straight or Taken”? I always think “Gay, Straight or Hangs With White People?” when I see guys like that. They dress kinda gay to me, and this is coming from someone who abhors “urban wear”.

Sarah- me thinks David knows allll about the pleasure receptors in the anus. No explanation needed.

16 05 2008
DavidMac

@notblonde

Exodus International and NARTH say different.

bigot: : a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

-Sorry but your view on bigots and such don’t fly with me. Not accepting a lifestyle is not the same as holding on to a prejudice, especially if a person is still treated with respect.

16 05 2008
sarah

if you don’t agree with it, why did you state it??

16 05 2008
Sister Toldja

Does everyone think Star Jones’s ex is gay? I keep hearing people call him the new Johnathan Plummer, but I am not convinced. He’s no Stringer Bell, but I don’t think every light skinned, gentle mannered man is gay. I sent him a message of encouragement on Myspace….don’t judge me.

16 05 2008
naija babe

notblonde,
right you are, but that just strengthens my argument in that back in the day, incest was viewed as normal … great way to keep the family line pure and strong, people didn’t know that it would weaken their progeny, they actually thought otherwise. the knowledge that incest is bad is an external non biological factor that prevents brothers and sisters from getting together. so one can make the argument that in those days when incest was thought to be alright, men were attracted to women regardless of familial ties for perhaps those biological reasons that make us want to have healthy babies and as incest became taboo, their brain blocked the attraction or they were weaned off it by environment

in light of this sarah, i should then say that attraction is rarely ever ONLY biological

16 05 2008
naija babe

i stated it sarah because it is a logical conclusion and i said i don’t necessarily agree with it, because other logical conclusions can be drawn, once more information or other factors are taken into considered. the reason i even made that conclusion was to show that attraction cannot be only biological and if you are saying that it is, then gay people are wired wrong because the reason for biological percursors for attraction is to have children and pass on the DNA.

16 05 2008

What I think is disgusting, (actually a better term for how I feel is disturbing) is when a man or woman goes to great lengths to transforms themselves into the opposite sex. Like I said I can accept the fact that someone is attracted to the opposite sex, but don’t hide it, get all extreme. Be yourself. Plus the PDA of all of it.

16 05 2008
sarah

Toldja, i though Star’s ex was gay when they were first married and i just knew that it would end in divorce. now, i feel bad.

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

@ David

Oxford dictionary:
Bigot: noun a person who is prejudiced in their views and intolerant of the opinions of others

Websters:
Bigot: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

Whatever NARTH (National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality) cannot be trusted as they think being gay means you need therapy to get rid of it.

Exodus International – freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ (really, you’re going to cite THEM???)

That reminds me of this South Park episode where everyone thinks Butters is bi-curious. He goes to a camp to “fix” it but the sheer ludicrousness of the attempt is hilarious.

16 05 2008
sarah

on a completely related and ironic note, i just found out, via Facebook, that a girl i went to high school with who had all the boys secretly pining for her is a lesbian. wow.

16 05 2008

btw I am done ranting about a lifestyle I am not a part of. It IS NONE of my business what others do in their bedoom, and that is the reason I don’t discuss Gay relationships. It is not for me to understand or make sense of it.

I just had to add my 2 sense;)

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

@ Ne, I think the language you used was more frustrating to me than what you actually said. I think it’s weird too but hey, people do it and it doesn’t affect me, so whatever. And they don’t engage in PDA any more than heterosexual couples do. Are they just not allowed to do it in your eyes or do you get creeped out when heterosexual couples do it too?

16 05 2008
Sister Toldja

@ Naja- I totes agree with you about people bemoan those who are “too gay” or who “flaunt their gayness”. That is absurd. I am a very feminine woman who wears skirts or dresses 362+ days a year, loves make-up, baking, boys, babies and smell goods. I am allowed to express those things without anyone saying I am flaunting my femininity or hetrosexuality (in the case of loving boys and penii). But if a gay person simply exists in the skin they deem most comfortable, dressing, dating and socializing as they please, there is almost always someone who wants to call them “too gay”. It’s like when White people trip over someone wanting to wear an afro in the workplace or attend an HBCU. It’s not about rejecting someone else or being militant, it’s about loving who YOU are and embracing it.

16 05 2008
DavidMac

@notblonde
I like the Oxford definition better Notblonde, that would make you a bigot also.

As for Exodus International, last time I checked people volunteered to go there. Fact is there are numerous examples of people who engaged in homosexuality that stopped doing it. I know that doesn’t help the argument you are trying to make but it is true nonetheless.

16 05 2008
maya

Soul Sister –

He def. is gay. Very gay. And as for your message of encouragement. I’m judging you hard right now. LOL. And wtf is Star doin’ tryna get up next to D. Wade. *sigh* She’s suffering from “I lost weight so I’m automatically flyy” syndrome. She needs to stop, with her deflated balloon looking self.

*expired* @ “Gay, Straight, or Hangs With White People.” I know too many brothas who qualify as contestants for that show.

16 05 2008
benjie

maya-

i’m officially on the short bus, or still a wee bit tipsy from last nights festivities
either way, i have yet to find you.

lol

16 05 2008
maya

bejie –

it’s okay. it’s friday. let me stop being difficult: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=5704888

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

@David

I’m bigoted towards dumb bigots. Sorry?

People will volunteer to go there because they feel bad about being gay. Why do they feel bad about being gay? Because people like YOU make them that way.

16 05 2008
DavidMac

@NotBlonde

Or maybe because they know they aren’t living the way to are supposed to be. They know they aren’t functioning normally.

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

@David

Functioning normally for humans doesn’t only mean one thing.

16 05 2008
DavidMac

@NotBlonde

Yes, functioning normally does only mean one thing. It means being heterosexual.

Homosexuality is either
1) a lifestyle choice that can be adjusted
2) a defect

Either way its not normal human behavior.

16 05 2008
london

oh dear… i feel for you haters…
biggest love for my gay fam and friends…
not going to say anything else on this…

16 05 2008

I am creeped out when heterosexual people are engaging in pda as well. I am not a prude by any means. But I don’t want to see ANYcouple SLOBBERING each other down and groping in public, and Im sure it’s not just me.

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

@David

I’m not going to argue with you about this. You think one way and I think another way. I happen to think your way of thinking is ignorant and bigoted, but I can’t change that from posting on a forum about black people hating homophobia. Clearly, black people don’t really hate homophobia.

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

@ Ne

I just had to know.

PS I loooove your hair in that picture. (Not being a lesbo, just wanted to compliment you on your hair choice)

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

@ Ne

The one that pops up when you roll your mouse over your name, just to clear that up.

16 05 2008

lmao @ david

16 05 2008

aww thank you Notblonde. Even guys compliment me on my haircut. THANKIE!

16 05 2008
london

@ notblonde..
you feel you cannot comment on ne’s hair without coming across as a lesbian…
that is sooo bloody sad… what the fuck is wrong with you and th way you think others see you…
am not coming back to this particular discussion… have not read all of it..
it’s now just fucking depressing to get to this…..

16 05 2008
Sister Toldja

Soul Sister- Deep down, I think he is too. But I really want to believe he isn’t. I remember exactly where I was when I saw the proposal. Me and my girls were eating at The Diner in Adams Morgan. It was the All Star game and Star had just started shedding weight after her operation. My girls and I were so psyched to see this sister who was not considered beautiful in the traditional way getting this elaborate proposal and then the big wedding and I love me some Star Jones! Did you hear what she said about old dead ass Barbra Walters the other day! PWND!!!!!! But alas, I may be wrong…..

If it’s any concilation, I don’t think she is trying to get on D. Wade. They were probably discussing their impeding divorces, lol. She is a good woman, she just needs a new man and a good bra. She be aiight.

16 05 2008
Uncle Ruckus

Bah! Homo sexuals are deviants, plain and simple. They got problems in they brains. Is unnatural is what it is. I kant even look at one without thinkin laudy that fagget wanna get him some Ruckus ass. And I say NO. Now, if the homo sexuals pray to White Jesus, they may be saved when they go to White Heaven. They might even be blessed into bein white folks themselves.

All you homo sexuals can be free from yo disease if you pray to the Lord White Jesus to renounce yo ways.

David, you ah a champion for the Lawd White Jesus.

Amen.

16 05 2008
Uncle Ruckus

@ london

If you had read my other comments, you’d realize I was being super-sarcastic when I said that. A lot of people on this board take issue with homosexuality and I was trying to make fun of them by insinuating that you can’t even compliment another chick’s hair without seeming gay.

16 05 2008

@london I think she was just being funny.

16 05 2008
Muse

Ne I think you have a problem with transgendered people…I have to admit I’m a little uncomfortable around butch looking lesbians. There was a case where this butch lesbian was kicked out of the restaurant because the bouncer thought she was a man using the ladies room. When she identified herself as a woman she was still escorted out of the restaurant. She ended up suing and won. However what did she expect? The woman clearly looks like a male so I can’t be mad at the bouncer for saying something.

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

I was totally gonna mess around and say something stupid as Uncle Ruckus but typed my other message instead….ooopsie

16 05 2008
DavidMac

I can tolerate the homosexuals, but transgendered people just are folks acting out for attention.

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

David, we have found common ground.

16 05 2008

I agree with david and Muse.

16 05 2008
Sister Toldja

Oooooh! NotBlonde, you totally just revealed your secret identity!!!!!!!

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

HAHAHAHAHA. I honestly am not Uncle Ruckus on a regular basis. He just wrote something that i thought was funny and wanted to expand upon it but I got sidetracked when I read what London said and completely forgot to put my normal name up there.

Now people will always think it is me, won’t they?

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

And transgendered people get on my nerves. They choose to become social pariahs….perhaps they are all masochistic?

16 05 2008
Sister Toldja

Transgendered people are NOT acting out for attention. That doesn’t even make sense. Why would you go through the trouble of changing your gender just to get attention?

Clarity: Transgender is the umbrella under which a lot of people are found.

Draq Queen/King- A performer who dresses as a member of the opposite sex who is usually gay, but does not chose to live or identify as a member of the opposite sex when out of “character”. This is not reallty a transgendered person.

Transsexual is someone who feels they were born the wrong gender and lives as a member of the opposite sex from what they were born. They may have the surgery to change their sexual organs.

Crossdresser- A person who enjoys dressing and functioning as a member of the opposite sex, but doesn’t feel complelled to have the gender reassignment surgery. Some crossdressers are straight.

16 05 2008
Muse

The thought of having a penis horrifies me…

But the thought of having a penis inside me is another story

: )

Gawd I’m so disgusting. I did go to Catholic school when I was younger hehehehe.

16 05 2008
Sister Toldja

Tee hee, Muse. Somedays, I think having penis inside of me is the only thing I care about, and everything is an extention of that. Like, I wish I had a boyfriend so I could have constant, familar with my body penis inside me. And I wish I worked from home so I could have penis inside me. I want to get married some day (at-home-penis inside me) and have kids (to do which, I finally could allow raw penis inside me). Penis is a beautiful thang.

The thought of having a penis facinates me a tiny bit. But a lot of things I don’t actually want for myself facinate me, like sleeping in a tent, or going to Miami or wearing jeans.

16 05 2008
sarah

wow Toldja. i’m glad i’m not alone in constant thoughts of penis.

16 05 2008
Sister Toldja

Yup. Me, you, Muse and David love to keep the dick up inside us as they say.

16 05 2008
Yonnie3k

Face it NotBlonde – you blew your cover. The jig is up.

16 05 2008
Muse

Wait what did I miss. NotBlonde is Uncle Ruckus? Who came to that conclusion.

I do relate to gay men. We both like the taste of penis.

16 05 2008
maya

OMG, Soul Sister you are a Chicago born version of me.

I am fascinated by those things in a way that borders unhealthy preoccupation. I consistently find myself asking boys about them, and doing stupid things to them and asking, “What does this feel like?” And your comments about being unnecessary interest in breasts…I thought that was just me. You are my starship. And don’t be late.

As for Star – she just irks me. It didn’t really start until she got engaged, and she just KEPT TALKING ABOUT THE SHIT. It made her look desperate to me – and yes, you can be desperate and in a relationship. And I salute her for losing weight (particularly because I’m sure considering her former size it was a good health move) but good bejeezus, Star, STFU already. I DID heavily co-sign the shit about Barbara Wawa, though, because that mess was OUT OF CONTROL! I never really liked Babs anyway, and the thought of her getting the bidness from a brotha tickled me to untold levels. But like Star said, was it really necessary to put ALL your business out there like that? Seriously, Babs, way to open up old wounds for the former wife of the man who you were committing adultery with. Talkin’ ’bout she wasn’t the mistress ’cause he wasn’t taking care of her – that’s jumpoff speak if I ever heard it.

16 05 2008
Muse

Maya I believe having a vagina feels better than a penis during sex. Think about it. Stick your finger in your ear and shake it a little bit….What feels better? Your finger or your ear?

hehehehhee

16 05 2008
DavidMac

@Sister Toldja
I’m straight, I have no want or need for a dick inside of me. Pussy is all I need.

16 05 2008
maya

LMAO @ Muse.

I don’t know…I feel like because things are pretty much guaranteed for boys, they have an advantage. Sometimes it feels like I’m being prodded, and me no likey.

16 05 2008
sarah

today, it took 180 comments for the subject to turn sexcentric. slow day.

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

Mmm…sexcentric. Does this now mean I can talk about the one time I fell asleep while a guy was on top of me?

16 05 2008
Sister Toldja

Soul Sister- And don’t you come too soon!!!!!! OMG, you are me and I am you!!!!

I feel you on Star, a lot of the hate she gets is a result of her own actions. I hope she takes a year to regroup and gets the sort of work she deserves. Maybe on satellite radio or Oxygen or something. She is a smart lady, she just kinda played herself a bit. Barbara being the devil didn’t help either. Wasn’t that the most jump-off shit EVER to say???? Why is she revealing this now? Maybe the man’s then-wife beat the shit out of her and she, 50 years later, finally feels safe getting her back! The best part about Star’s comment was “in the twilight of her life”!!! I screamed when I read that! She called Babs half-dead essentially!!!! AHAHAHA!

Davidmac- (insert patronizing, mouth closed smile and not) Right, right. Of course.

16 05 2008
maya

Soul Sister –

But if you think about it, many “accomplished” white women are simply celebrated jumpoffs:

– Marilyn Monroe…not her real name, not her real hair color, super-hoe, and presidential jumpoff.

– wives of many politians…jumpoffs to the men/callgirls who their men are banging on the low.

– Liz Taylor – lover her like I do…be serious about your life, Liz. Didn’t that many damn men love you.

– Hilary Clinton…I’m not even going to expand.

I’m going to throw this out here, too: does Eric Benet belong in the club w/ Johnathan Plummer and Al?

16 05 2008
Sister Toldja

Hmmm. Would this be the “opportunist club” (which, again, my friend-in-my-head Al does NOT belong to….I hope!!!) or the Gay Club? I think Eric is in a whole different club, called the “cheating-ass, trifling, shoulda been grateful, now look at ya” club. I don’t care if Halle laid in bed like a dead fish, she accepted his daughter as her own and that alone should have been reason enough to either be faithful or try to end things amicably. Now here he is, a gifted singer and FIIIIIIIINE as hell, but he can’t sell records because his entire career has been overshadowed by his infidelity to one of the world’s most coveted women.

I’d still give him a chance. I’d be an excellent step-mother, Eric. You had me at “Femininity”. Call me.

16 05 2008
maya

LMAOOOO.

I think he qualifies for all three, particularly the last one you mentioned. What I don’t understand is why this jackass made this big to-do about proposing to turn around and act the fucking fool. He probably got gassed off the notion that he wifed Halle Berry, but at the end of the day, I look at him and see a bohemian, barefoot, Earthy nigga who probably whines when you bring him cocoa butter instead of shea.

I can’t.

I don’t think he’s fine; attractive, yes. But seriously, Eric. More people needed.

16 05 2008
JAY

HILARIOUS AND SO TRUE!!!!!

16 05 2008
Muse

Wait so is NotBlonde Uncle Ruckus? I always that that was one of Chris’ friends being retarded.

I’m confused….Someone help!

16 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

sOoo um what I miss in here?

16 05 2008
Muse

Not Blond is Uncle Ruckus, Gays are making a lifestyle choice, and penise taste good.

16 05 2008
Muse

Erm I meant to say penis…

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

I am not Uncle Ruckus. I was going to play around and say something silly to expand upon what he had already said but i got a bit sidetracked and wrote a message to London about a previous comment. I had already put Uncle Ruckus in as my name and forgot to change it.

Quite honestly i think Uncle Ruckus is several people because every comment he makes uses different diction.

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

Penises do taste good, that we can agree on Muse 🙂

16 05 2008
Muse

No I’m pretty sure you are Uncle Ruckus NotBlonde. You just slipped up. It’s okay though.

: )

16 05 2008
Muse

So Uncle Ruckus likes the taste of penis too?

16 05 2008
shabooty

Hickory Dickory Dock. Some chick’s been sucking my cock. Clock struck two, dropped my goo…
…Dumped the bitch down the next block!

16 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

penis tatse good LMAO @ that that was funny…

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

I’m gonna bother going any further with the Uncle Ruckus nonsense. If I say it’s me, I’m a lying douchebag to the person who is Uncle Ruckus. If i say it’s not me, people will say i’m denying it too much so it must be me.

*sigh* Believe what you want ladies (and some gentlemen).

16 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

I love Shabooty’s randomness…is that from Kat Williams off the NIck Cannon show..lol

16 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

I thought not a blonde was a chick..lol

16 05 2008
shabooty

Jack and Jill went up the hill, each with a buck and a quarter. Jill came down with two-fifty, OOOOOOOOOOOOH!
WHAT A FUCKING WHORE!

lol nah that’s Dice Clay…OHHH!
$

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

I am a chick…

16 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

Oh yea that is Dice Clay I remember now..

16 05 2008
Mrs.Epps

thats what I thought NotBlonde

16 05 2008
kaynaan

Glad to see some people are honest and not hoodwinked by all this political correctness.

I hate homosexuals it is revolting …. contrary to what the media tries to portray of all men enjoy watching lesbians it doesn’t make a diff gay/lesbo it is disgusting and unnatural.

for those arguing animals are sometimes exhibit homosexual behavior ….. animals have also fucked their mothers literally unless you intend to make the argument that is also natural and an alternative lifestyle shut the F** up !

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

Kaynaan, trolls are unwanted. If you can’t express your ideas in a non-troll like manner, you should go back under your bridge and eat small children.

16 05 2008
kaynaan

^ what part of my comment do you consider trolling.

It was a counter argument to those that suggested homosexual behavior in animals is an indicator that homosexuality is not unnatural !

my counter argument being animals do not distinctions hence they procreate with their biological mother

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

“I hate homosexuals it is revolting …. contrary to what the media tries to portray of all men enjoy watching lesbians it doesn’t make a diff gay/lesbo it is disgusting and unnatural.”-Kaynaan

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

That, sir, is trolling.

16 05 2008
kaynaan

^ lol now i do not have the right to state my opinion ?

I hate homosexuals that is my position I repeat why is stating my opinion on the discussion trolling ?

and what do you think about the argument im making ?

16 05 2008
Digga

I’m thinking your average homophobe slob thinks that as desperate as he is for a woman, gay guys are the same for him. Not realising how he looks from the outside nor how nasty a female version of him would be to him.

Generally speaking though I doubt ALL gay men have the exacting standards you’ve seen in some.

16 05 2008
Muse

Not Blonde you were trolling when you were pretending to be Uncle Ruckus.

Expressing homophobic opinions is not trolling…

It’s call bigotry. LOL

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

Kaynaan I could care less about your ignorant shit than I do about whether or not martians are eating green eggs and ham.

It’s trolling because you are deliberately putting up a post that might incite a “flame war”, as they say, and so you’ll get attention. Right now I’m giving you attention and i will cease immediately.

16 05 2008
Knatural

NotBlonde seems to be a bigot and a hypocrite AHAHAHAHA

16 05 2008
kaynaan

NotBlonde

if you are a guy I suggest a test to see how tolerant you truly are of homosexuality.

Test: if a rumor was spread that you are gay reached your whole family a& friends. imagine someone comes up to you and says “so I heard you’re batting for the other team !”

Response: if your response is a polite “no, I’m sorry you are mistaken” and corrected the person as if he/she mispronounced your name then you are tolerant !

alternate response: if your response is outrage and anger “WTF where’dy hear that BS ?”

most of the guys I know fall into the second group and yet they will tell you they are cool with homo’s

so you see im just a lil bit more honest !

16 05 2008
shabooty

kaynaan -yeah what’s wrong with you, don’t take my shine as head ignorant fuck.
jk.

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

I was going to troll by pretending to be Uncle Ruckus but didn’t. Uncle Ruckus is a troll, yea but he’s one of those trolls that is so ridiculous that you know it’s a joke. Trolling to just be an asshole is unwarranted.

The topic at hand is black people hate homophobes. So a homophobe coming into the forum to talk about how homophobic he is….that is trolling. That’s just like if Chris put up a topic about logging and I said that trees are disgusting and should all be cut down for paper products.

16 05 2008
kaynaan

shabooty what group do you fall into ?

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

And I am faaar from being a dude. And how am I hypocritical?

16 05 2008
kaynaan

LOL NotBlonde

so you expect everybody to fall in line …… and anybody who has an opposing view point that is relevant to the topic at hand is an asshole

just in case you have been living in a cave not everybody thinks homosexuality is natural or a lifestyle that is equivalent to hetrosexuality

you are not so tolerant then are you heh ?

16 05 2008
Knatural

So what’s the difference between ‘trolling’ and expressing one’s opinion? Or joking? I’m confused.

16 05 2008
kaynaan

^ it’s all in the eyes of the beholder.

according to notblonde if you are not towing the political correctness line you are a troll and an asshole

16 05 2008
Knatural

Since we love wikipedia so much, as since it applies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28gay%29

16 05 2008
kaynaan

I imagine the hypocrtical part of your tirade stems from the fact while you preach tolerance you are intolerant of any opposing view

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

No, I’m not so tolerant of dumbassery and I never said I was. As a matter of fact, I said that i am bigoted against dumb bigots. And I know not everyone agrees with me. Muse, Maya and DavidMac don’t agree with me but they aren’t trolling, from what I understand the definition to mean. DavidMac is on the super “I don’t agree with their lifestyle” end of the spectrum and I didn’t say he was a troll at all, he’s just expressing his opinion.

If you can’t tell the difference between trolling and stating an opinion, then you can’t get pissed when someone calls you on it. You’ll learn something new: i.e. how not to troll.

And you should really READ the other comments before commenting, or at least skim the bits that seem the most interesting. That way you aren’t coming out of left field.

16 05 2008
Sister Toldja

Your argument is the equivalent of standing up in a lecture hall and yelling our “Oh yea? Well so’s your mom!”. All you have said is that you don’t like homosexuality because it is not natural. I do not like green eggs and ham, for they are not natural. Not in a pot, not on a cot, not in the sand, nor in a pan. So we are even.

Natural, not natural, nature, nurture. There is no such thing as irrefutable scientific evidence these days, because there is enough psuedo-science to refute any any everything that has ever been proven. For all the folks screaming “the scientists said it’s not natural”, there are tons of scientists that say just the opposite. And let us Negroes not rely too heavy on science, for it wasn’t too long ago that a Nobel Prize winning scientist publically declared the Black mind inferior. “Scientific” studies were used to justify keeping Black people legally oppressed decades ago.

Man, screw science. Science is boring, except for when it is used to keep my lip gloss popping, my partner’s condom from breaking and my breasts from hitting the floor.

Maya- See, you not even ready for him. How could you even SUGGEST cocoa butter! Lord, hammercy. J/K. Yeah, this is why I have a love/hate relationship with the boho brothers. In so many ways they are my perfect match. But so many of em are such a hot ass mess.

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

I guess really what I’m trying to say is that your “opinion” seems to come out of nowhere. As if you just hold that opinion for no reason other than to be an insufferable asshole and to spread that hate wherever you can.

16 05 2008
Knatural

my comment won’t post 😦
it’s a conspiracy

16 05 2008
kaynaan

^ loooooooool thats it keep it coming nothing like a lil bit of honesty to offset all the politically correct BS

just in case you had difficulty following my point … let me connect the dots for you …. someone made the arguments (in the comments ) that because animals exhibit homo behavior it is natural …. my counter claim of animals are also mofos do you think that is natural as well !

you thought you could score some easy points there huh …. sorry to make you work for it 🙂

16 05 2008
kaynaan

Sister you are correct hence why it is called an opinion
if i could provide scientific facts it would no longer be an opinion but a universal truth no ?

16 05 2008
NotBlonde

I didn’t make that argument so I don’t really care about yours.

But to humor you, yes, being a “mofo” is natural as well. So a praying mantis or a black widow that kills it’s mate isn’t natural? A lion killing and eating it’s cub isn’t natural? Just because a critter does something that seems weird to us, doesn’t mean it’s unnatural.

17 05 2008
shabooty

my stance is that i don’t care whos teh gehs and who isnt, like as i dont get molested and long as I can under my breath goof on those that look like they rape little boys.

17 05 2008
shabooty

long as*

17 05 2008
maya

“Your argument is the equivalent of standing up in a lecture hall and yelling our “Oh yea? Well so’s your mom!”. All you have said is that you don’t like homosexuality because it is not natural. I do not like green eggs and ham, for they are not natural. Not in a pot, not on a cot, not in the sand, nor in a pan. So we are even.”

I love you. Long time. Why? Because I”m 23 and “Green Eggs and Ham” remains one of my favorite books. The fact that you did that has brightened my very dreary day. And you’re right, I’m not ready for him. The only boho brotha I can get with is Shazaa from A Different World. And he’s not real. All the bohos I’ve met in real life are posers; stay talkin’ about the system, the man, and the revolution, with hair locked up to wazoo, but the same ganj they use for “enlightenment” has made them dumb as a box of rocks and other pasttimes include effing white girls. No thanks.

And NotBlonde – it’s been several hours, and I don’t necessarily remember what I may have disagreed with you on, but again, I’d like to reiterate that you falsely attributed lesbian homophobia to me. So…yeah.

17 05 2008
Knatural

Gary Dourdan! (dude that played Shaaza) Oh god. YES. *catches drool*

17 05 2008
NotBlonde

@Maya

Didn’t i falsely attribute lesbian homophobia to Muse…A ha! it was Lindsay. Sorry to have falsely attributed lesbian homophobia on the both of you, Muse and Maya. I don’t even know why I thought either of you had said that….I was at work earlier and sooo not paying attention enough.

I went back and read your comments and you didn’t disagree with me. Again, totally not paying enough attention or remembering well enough. Perhaps because I was dealing with the task at hand, aka people yelling at me because the printer wasn’t working.

17 05 2008
Lolo

Good grief, I don’t have the stomache to finish scrolling through some of the dumbassery on here tonight. To whoever cited the Bible as cause to continue the hating on gays … while I respect the spirituality of your chosen or birth faith, anyone who cites a book that also advocates women being the originators of sin, Ham, stoning adulterers, or whatever else is recorded in there, you might as well just start equating homosexuality with Hitler. It would be about as valid and I would respect you about as much.

I’ve seen too many good, GOOD people who have lived lives marked by the hurt and pain of not being completely loved by their own families to ever imagine that any sane and rational person ever chooses to be homosexual. Sigh.

Okay, that’s my rant and I look forward to Chris’ next pity post on something we can all agree on and make fun of the trolls.

Out of here until Chris posts his next pithy Hate.

17 05 2008
Muse

Pineapple improves the taste of semen.

That is all.

17 05 2008
Roger

“Pineapple improves the taste of semen”

Word? I shall have to investigate…

17 05 2008
Anmarie

Back in school a Native American professor came to a sociology class I was taking as guest lecturer. He explained the “Two-Spirit” individual as being something more than gay, but as a person who really feels that they possess the spirit and the essential ways of the opposite gender. I think it’s a lovely concept, in terms of the way includes people’s uniqueness. Other than that I hated the superficial, elitist quality of this post. And the responses to it suck as well.

BUT WAY TO GO JUDD!!!

“your mention of your “unblemished heterosexuality” seems to indicate you might be a little homophobic yourself. while i agree that the type of guys you mentioned are unattractive, it is wrong to assume that all gay men are only attracted to buff, cultured, successful studs. like every other community, gay men display the spectrum of human variety, tastes, and characteristics. to assume that all gay men share the same narrow and shallow tastes, is to paint with too broad a brush. although your comments come from a positive place, they are still making broad assumptions and generalizations about a community that is comprised of different individuals.” – Judd

I really loved loved what you said and I really hated this fucking post. I swear this pop culture Hollywood bullshit is taking over the minds of everyday and even intelligent people everywhere. I hate this disgustingly shallow Paris Hilton/Lindsey Lohan bullshit understanding and judgment of people’s worth that has taken over this country. Everyone’s got there heads up there ass overly concerned with everything external and everyone is rapidly losing any meaningful/spiritual value. This is the stupidest thing I’ve read: “In fact, he can act like a complete dick and still land just about any chick he wants.” That is of course until I read this: “So there it is: to get a hot chick, all you have to do is feign wealth for a night or two”. Good forbid that a good looking gay man or a good looking woman actually have a real heart, be real down to earth and look to make a real connection with people. Suppose I’m naïve, here I was looking for someone who shares my values; I didn’t know I was supposed to be looking for a gym rat, who knows the difference between a chardonnay and a Riesling. Yes yes he’s a freaking jerk but he’s rich and pretty and jazz proficient. Black elitist bullshit.

And you fucking hypocrites talking about homosexually isn’t natural. Then you site religion, you fucking fornicating, lying, taking advantage of the weak, reveling, stealing, manipulating, hating, celebrating pagan holidays disguised as the birth of Christ because your so fucking materialist, unforgiving, cheating bastards, guess what God just might hate you too. In the Old Testament a man is instructed to kill his child for being disobedient. Everyone wants to follow Old Testament law as soon as you get a chance to condemn someone else but it’s a law that everyone is incapable of following. You’re so self righteous about being heterosexual, like it’s an accomplishment you earned, you were born that way, you’re pretty damn lucky you don’t have any “unnatural” sexual feelings to deal with. If you’re really religious you should know that no sin can exist in His presence. I don’t think that God’s checking for your ability to point out other people’s shit, get your own nasty heart right, and yep fix up the places that no one can see, that no one can throw in YOUR face, those are the places that are the ugliest.

17 05 2008
NotBlonde

Tell us how you really feel, Anmarie. 😉

17 05 2008
Anmarie

Yes I know it’s *their not there and a whole bunch of other typos in my angry post.

17 05 2008
Anmarie

LOL “Tell us how you really feel, Anmarie.” Thank you, girl. Alright i’m breathing again. My bad i get passionate.

17 05 2008
Muse

Anmarie had a sip of pissed off for lunch.

All I have to say is that everyone has the right to express their opinions and everyone has the right to live their life how they see fit. I don’t have to agree with someone’s lifestyle and no one has to agree with mine. If someone wants to cite Christianity as a reason why they area against homosexuality, I don’t think they should be attacked for their religious beliefs.

17 05 2008
Anmarie

Man listen come up of the surface of things, I’m not attacking religious beliefs I’m saying the focus is wrong. “man looks on the appearence of things, God looks on the heart”. Too many people are overly concerned about what other people are doing wrong, if you’re really really Christian and you commune with God, you’d see your own long road to walk, you don’t have time to be condemn people for things that you don’t have to deal with. Christians are told to love and forgive, tell me that;s not the hardest thing to do, but yet we’re looking at other people. It’s foolishness.

17 05 2008
Muse

I know all too well about Christians who are too busy pointing the finger at other people that they fail to look at their own lives. I get it. But the topic is about homosexuality and the views people have regarding this issue.

17 05 2008
Anmarie

Actually the topic was about ugly fat people who think gay men want to sleep with them and gay men’s high standards, which are higher than women’s standards. (because a. gay men are shallow elitist and b. women are apparently stupid)

I responded to the topic and to posters who were self righteously condemning homosexuality. Don’t see how I’m off, pissed off, but not off topic.

17 05 2008
letinstar

i have alot of gay and lesbian friends and i too hate homophobes…my ex roommate was a gay man and one of my past co workers is a lesbian…i’ve been to gay and lesbian bars…they have better music and cheaper drinks… i worked with a girl who was from some eastern european country and she said her husband (who was also eastern european) hated gays so much that if he saw one he would beat them up…i was shocked and disgusted…i don’t understand that thinking..how are you that threatened by someone who is not thinking about you is a mystery to me…one thing i do draw the line at though are gays comparing themselves to the black people…it is not the same issue…

17 05 2008
Sister Toldja

Anmarie- I understand why you hated this post, but at the same time…and while I cannot actually speak for the author because he is just a blogger that I read, not an actuall real life homie….I am gonna defend him here(as a blogger myself [who y’all should read more often. gee whiz, join the other 400 people who I serve daily, lol] who does the same thing)

I think a lot of the writing the author does here is for color and texture.

The message is honest: Chris hates homophobes and recognizes that a lot of them are gross shlubs who have the nerve to assume that all gay men want their arse flower, when in reality most gay men (regardless of their looks) are not interested. Does he think that all gay men are handsome fellas of means? Doubtful. Are all homophobes fat loser slobs? No. Are all fat loser slobs homophobes? He knows better than that. Are all fat slobs losers? No. Are all slobs fat?

You see the point I am making. Generalizations and humor make one mans opinion more interesting and appealing to read. At the end of the day, this reads like a humor blog posing as a serious look in to a man’s mind or a serious look at a man’s mind dressed in humourous language. Dude is a funny guy with a lot of strong opinions. He could state them plainly, but he doesn’t seem interested in being a serious writer. Just a fun one with a knack for colorful writing.

No one is gonna agree with everything he says, so just take that which appeals to you and spit out the rest. Which is essentially what you did, so perhaps this is all for naught….but I just like to hear the sound of my own voice. They sound like sunshine and a baby’s first words served with an apple martini. And I banished myself to the house cause it’s rainy and I am partying hard tommorrow, so I need something to do, ya smell me?

As far as the women comment, he lives in DC and seems to travel in spaces where he is meeting a braload of chicks who would be impressed by douchebags with money. Shit, you live in NY, you know these girls exist. The same way you and I may be annoyed by the men who fetishize our complextion or who just act like assholes, a good looking dude with a good job has got to be annoyed at the amount of women he meets who are looking for a meal ticket. As he shared, he’s dating a smart, good looking sister with her own mind and a bright future, so it isn’t as if he said “all this girls want is a flashy man and I’ma give these bitches what they want”. And don’t we ladies attack men to all hell ourselves from time to time? Just laugh it off, my dear or refute it with some snarkiness about how any man will hand over his wallet to a mindless chick with impossible curves and fake tits.

17 05 2008
Sister Toldja

Oh, and I do so love you for the entire paragraph about “God might hate you too”. I want it on a t-shirt or a holiday card I can send to the entire world.

Chris- you should hire me as your PR rep! I should get my friend Al Reynolds to do the same (he responded to my message, btw! He is my new BFF!).

17 05 2008
Angry v3.2b

“As a Black woman, it is inevitible that I will one day have sex with a man who has had sex with a man (probably have already), so he might as well be fine!”

Man, that sounds like somewhat of a cop-out! Don’t give up and give in – you should be better than that, especially with how intelligently you’ve spoken on here.

This post = left field! Who cares so hardly about homophobes except……homosexuals? I couldn’t care less – let ’em get married, or don’t let ’em. Just pick one so we can be over and done with it!

17 05 2008
Angry IV

I’m also shortening my name. The new version just got released, so now I’m just Angry version 4.0 or “Angry IV”.

17 05 2008
Sister Toldja

Angry IV- does this mean we can be friends again? (Offers up some of my wine)

It’s not really a cop out and I am not so much resigning myself to that fact as I am accepting it. I had a lot of male friends at Howard who were secretly sleeping with men, unbeknownst to the women they shagged and dated. I don’t think so highly of my womans intution, especially when I was 19 or 20, to say that I judged better than those girls. I can name one fella I dated who I wouldn’t be surprised if he told me he knocked boots with a man. I am more angry at the homophobia that breeds closet cases than I am any man who I may have dealt with who is closeted. But that is because these wouldn’t ve been guys I was in love with or married to. I also wouldn’t be adverse to having a purely sexual relationship with a bisexual man, so long as he wasn’t efffimenate. What he did before or after men is irrelevant, and I only have safe sex anyway (and Black women’s rate of HIV infection is so high, I am no less a statstical risk than he is). I couldn’t date one though, that would be too much for me to handle.

I care about homophobes because they make life rough for people I care deeply about and because they are a cancer upon society, as they help to keep men in the closet who become another cancer by decieving women and living unhealthy, self-hating lives.

17 05 2008
Anmarie

ST- Firstly I appreciate your thoughtful response. Secondly you know that I am not unintelligent or without humor. I got it. I get the humor. Thirdly as someone who reads this blog just about everyday, even when I don’t have a comment, it’s obvious that I love Chris’s insights and humor. As a matter of fact I’ve stood up for him as well when I felt folks where looking to argue with him just to win without reaching an understanding. I did not communicate to attack Chris it was to state my understanding of the topic just like everyone else does. I’m passionate about this. This particular “post” not Chris personally embodies some of the things I hate the most about our plastic culture, in which we value things and keeping up appearances but not people. My views are also strong and passionate and sometimes people are quicker to get turned off by that quality in a woman before they would in a man. I think I stated my reasons for my positions I think they made sense but you are not saying I’m wrong; it seems rather you are uncomfortable with strength in which I opposed or that I opposed?

“And don’t we ladies attack men to all hell ourselves from time to time? Just laugh it off” If you looked at my comments in the FAQ and some other post I don’t advocate for man bashing, and I think in only further serves to separate us, to diminish community. I’ve often said that black men and women are too hard on each other, because we hate ourselves. My woman hood it’s just as important to me as my blackness, just as important as a brother’s blackness is to him. We all get very upset and defensive when white folks roll through here on some ignorant racist shit. And all too often we as a people support our men in their bashing of us. (I.e. Mike Tyson, we love to attack a possible victim of rape and support the possible rapist, R. Kelly – you know all those black people talking about “she wasn’t acting like no little girl”) So I didn’t want to laugh off more negative generalizations of women. Why should I? It robs me of my humanity, like bugs bunny sticking it to the nigger natives. I mean laugh it off like what a minstrel show? I wonder when that stuff being funny? Being a black woman “ain’t no crystal stair” so why can’t I address some stuff this black woman hates, am I not black people too. Or are black people still just black men? Why should I be silenced? Laugh it off? Please just think about it for a second? As a woman how does hearing that kind of stuff really make you feel? Tom Harkin, Shabooty, etc etc, it’s all said in fun and games and sometimes shit is funny haha Just like the chicken dance is funny, but you know black men our men all too often recreate a nasty power dynamic of the larger society with us on the bottom. Anyway all I can ask is that you think about it.

17 05 2008
Anmarie

That should be* when that stuff stopped being funny

17 05 2008
Sister Toldja

I DO agree with you about us as sisters being too forgiving/defensive of our men when they are dissing us. You will NEVER hear me defending rappers “right” to disrespect our women (nor chickenheading out with the “gurl, he aint talkin bout me cuz I aint no bitch or hoe” either). AND DONT GET ME STARTED ON R KELLY. He tried to holler at friends of mine when we were in middle school, I been knew he was a nasty nigga and I would like to string him up by his peasy ass braids and piss on him since he likes urine so fucking much.

You have a point tho, and you are right about your personal efforts to not indulge in and encourage man bashing. I, on the other hand, am often criticized (esp in blog world) for coming down too hard on brothers because I call them on their shit 24/7 because I refuse to believe they can’t/won’t treat us better and sometimes I feel like I love Black men more than they love themselves and certainly more than most of them love us. BUT I didn’t really take offense to his comments about women today, cause I just saw it as a silly innocious (sp) generalization. I do respect your opinion tho,

17 05 2008
Sister Toldja

And you know I am NOT the one to make the Black man’s struggle “the OFFICIAL Black struggle” and ignore the needs of the woman! I am from the Michele Wallace school of Black feminism. “Black Macho And The Myth Of The Superwoman” is my actual bible. Don’t make me sound like a traitor cause I let some shit slide one time! LOL. Besides, when I read what he said, I thought of video chicks, white girls and fake Creoles. Gurl, he wasn’t talking about me, cuz I ain’t no groupie.

17 05 2008
Anmarie

You woman stop yelling at me! Nah I’m not saying you’re a traitor at all dude, I’m so glad that we’re having this discussion it’s an important one. Ahhh Michele Wallace. 🙂 You’re a woman after my own heart, dont you just hate the myth of the black super woman?

“Besides, when I read what he said, I thought of video chicks, white girls and fake Creoles. Gurl, he wasn’t talking about me, cuz I ain’t no groupie.”

LOL I love you for that! But nope he was talking to you:

“Women nowadays are independent and empowered, so they don’t want to admit this, but they immediately give this guy a lot of credit and the dude hasn’t so much as spoken a word yet. If he’s rented a REALLY exotic car like a 360 Modena or some shit, he won’t have to say a damn thing. In fact, he can act like a complete dick and still land just about any chick he wants.”

Independent and empowered, that’s you! Even you smart woman are silly enough to fall for the games of the dumbest men that gay men don’t want. And funny, Chris knew it would piss me off : “I’m going to piss off a lot of women by saying this, but fuck it – it needs to be said” See you the video chick, one of us the groupie we all the groupie. She the tutsi u the hutu and who makes the rules about which one is better??????????????

17 05 2008
ph2072

Your post is on point. Gay men don’t do fatties, uglies, or men that are “beneath” them in ANY way. I have a gay acquaintance who is the epitome of the gay men you met – well-educated, upwardly mobile, damn near lives in the gym, fashion-forward, bourgie with a little hood in him, etc. And most other gay men I’ve come across are like this as well.

17 05 2008
Anmarie

There are fat gay men, I’ve seen them with my own eyes, there are ugly gay men seen them too. And guess what? I’ve seen them in relationships.
While straight men who are so insure that they tell themselves everyone wants them suck, there are gay men with enough emotional depth to go beneath the surface. That’s like saying all black people are solely concerned with our fancy jeans and sneakers so we can all go do our fancy nigger dances, and cut a rug. Some of us have other things to concern ourselves with. Stop offending all the fat/average looking gay men and the men who love them out there with this foolishness.

17 05 2008
shabooty

your are reading comments scraped off the inside of shabooty’s black heart.

see you in hell, bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch
😛

(sorry emo rap at 2am gets to me)

17 05 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

This post is homophobic? Elitist? Are you fucking serious?

http://stuffblackpeoplehate.com/why-you-shouldnt-read-this-blog/

Fuck off.

17 05 2008
Sister Toldja

Anmarie-how is this one different than any of the other posts?

17 05 2008
Dani

Wow it amazes me the turns the comment section takes compared to the post. I thought the post was about getting over yourself (in general), why are you as “homophobes” so sure that these homosexual men want you? I think this post got severly misrepresented in the comment section just as the “Creole” Chicks post did. It also seems that some people got on their high horses and soap boxes without really focusing on what the blog was actually trying to address. I loved the post, I loved what I think he was trying to say with the post, and I agree that maybe a few people should (re)read Why you shouldn’t read this blog

17 05 2008
Dani

17 05 2008
Dustin

Damn my inability to check this site yesterday!

ST, I didn’t meet you Thursday night but I look forward to doing so soon.

Great post. Very true.

Chris’ hetero record is unblemished. I’m sad.

WHAT WHAT . . .

17 05 2008
Anmarie

ST-

“Anmarie-how is this one different than any of the other posts?”

Ah you mean different than “Carbon Trading” or “Sutle Racism” or “Killer Bees” or “Taxes”? Or any of the other post that I loved and learned from? Seriously? Questions for you: I’ve disagreed with the author b4 how is this different? What happened to your seeing my point last night?

Chris –

“This post is homophobic? Elitist? Are you fucking serious?”

And you forgot SEXIST!, not so much homophobic from my perspective, I guess you were relating to your two spirited brothers– on a real PLASTIC/Class(ist) level. And I said I didn’t like it, so what? I disagreed, And what? What does this say?: “Leave a comment” right? It’s at the bottom of all your post.

“Fuck off.”

http://www.this-is-why-you-can-kiss-my-ass.com/this is not a link-but you can kiss my ass/punk

PS
I’ll speak my mind when I want, I’m not anyone’s house nigger or anyone’s house bitch. (well actually I am employed, so I have to be at times, but you mother so and soes don’t pay me)

Have a nice fucking day.

17 05 2008
Angry IV

Anmarie – a little fire to ya. Nice.

17 05 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

“And what? What does this say?: “Leave a comment” right? It’s at the bottom of all your post.”

Yes, and in a similar vein please be aware that by leaving comments you open yourself up to my comments about your comments and, like yours, they will not be muzzled. Deal with it.

Welcome to my world.

17 05 2008
Anmarie

Oh please Ain’t nobody here crying here. I was commenting to your about my comment to your comment. Got my my boxing gloves on not kid gloves. We’re talking ideas here. You better deal with it, mister “fuck off”. Punk, I’d eat your ear off.

17 05 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

Yeah yeah…

17 05 2008
Anmarie

yeah I was being silly, granted, but a woman with an oppositional and strong and thoughtful opinion is not cry baby. Man the oppression.

17 05 2008
Angry IV

Anmarie, I think once you learn to separate the title of this blog from the content, you’ll relax a little bit…Chris might get pissed, but the blog really has gravitated FAR away from being about “stuff black people hate” and more about “stuff Chris hates”.

I happen to know plenty of white people and people from many other walks of life that hate homophobic individuals as well.

17 05 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

“…but the blog really has gravitated FAR away from being about “stuff black people hate” and more about “stuff Chris hates”.”

::Rolling the fuck out of my eyes::

I could’ve sworn I addressed this issue here. And here. Months ago.

If anyone is unhappy with the topics I choose, WordPress doesn’t charge a fee. Feel free to write your own blog at anytime, because no one is forcing you to read mine.

17 05 2008
Anmarie

“FAR away from being about “stuff black people hate” and more about “stuff Chris hates”.

Ahhh don’t have a problem with that. I don’t have a problem with stating the stuff I hate either.

In anycase remember to look timid when entering elevators with white woman. Keep your kinky hair low too, Wanna go on keeping everyone relaxed.

IN any case here are two really cute ugly people.

17 05 2008
Angry IV

And you also addressed something similar here:

“Yes, and in a similar vein please be aware that by leaving comments you open yourself up to my comments about your comments and, like yours, they will not be muzzled. Deal with it.”

I was just trying to help Anmarie to lower her blood pressure. Let’s not get all defensive 😉

17 05 2008
Anmarie

I’m cool baby. Like I said before every woman with her own voice is not hysterical please don’t off sending me to the Kellogg Camp. I’m about to go to see Prince Caspian, life is good. 🙂 Don’t use my behalf to make your assertions. Feel how you feel.

17 05 2008
John

God damn! I hate black people. Except this Chris guy, because he is white inside, he reminds me of Lewis Black. A little angry white man complaining about everything. Keep up the good work cracker!

17 05 2008
Muse

Some of you guys are so extra ( Anmarie). Geez. I hope all that energy is being put to good use outside of the internet.

17 05 2008
Lolo

I like it that I’m not the only one who tears off on a rant …

17 05 2008
NotBlonde

Really though. There is no reason to not go off on a rant on a comments board. It helps to be able to vent sometimes even if it is just on the internets.

17 05 2008
Anmarie

Oh please shut the fuck up, Your ass was on here all day yesterday during work, you’re always here. So Give me a damn break.

17 05 2008
ghettopeople

Wow Anmarie is that how you resolve conflict by telling folks to “shut the fuck up?”

I’m scared of you. Please don’t verbally beat my ass. I don’t think I can handle it.

17 05 2008
Anmarie

I wasn’t resolving anything with the hypocrite what is there to be said to someone who comes at you for doing the same thing everyone else here does. And well you know what you can do too.

17 05 2008
NotBlonde

I was saying that it’s ok to do go a rant on the internets because it can be a good way to vent.

17 05 2008
NotBlonde

And I’m here during work because I’m bored during work. I work at the engineering library. FUN! I don’t do shit but sit on my ass for 5 hours getting harassed by people who don’t know how call numbers work.

17 05 2008
James

Rowdy shit. That’s why I never go no where around black people, they are always angry. I just watch they ass on the TV, where they can’t shoot me. If bullets could be fired through the Internet there would have already been a couple of dead brothers up in here.
And is the word “fuck” really necessary? That’s why all your lips are so big, because you are always saying “fuck this, fuck that.” And when you make the “fuu” sound your teeth bite the bottom of your lip, which makes them swollen. That’s a scientific fact. Stop saying fuck so much, your lips are already big enough.

18 05 2008
Shine

Sorry, been busy and trying to recap but I have to tell Sista Toldja, I love your ode to the penis. Pure poetry. I may have to steal it.

18 05 2008
Muse

-For real James??? Your commentary was a little “extra” as well.

-Anmarie, you really do need to take a chill pill. My comment didn’t warrant a “fuck you” but if that is how you feel then so be it. The unnecessary venom makes you come across as nothing more than bitter e-bitch making a lot of noise. I surely hope you aren’t so foul in real life because you might say “fuck you” to the wrong person and have your teeth all over the sidewalk sweetie.

BTW I never offer criticism without a solution. Anmarie, this might help you on your journey towards peace. Check it out. http://www.therabbitvibrator.com/

-NotBlonde you don’t have to explain to some bitter broad how you spend your time online. I don’t even know why that was brought up in the first place.

18 05 2008
NotBlonde

Thanks Muse….and I was so looking for one of those 😉 They are damned expensive though just for a vibrator.

18 05 2008
Shine

James, Fuck you the fuck up

18 05 2008
Shine

My friend got the rabbit and said she wasn’t particularly impressed by it. I got the beaver which is cheaper and has everything except the rotating beads. In between men I would reccommend it.

18 05 2008
Sister Toldja

Anmarie- it’s kinda like the Issac Hayes thing. He was cool spending his South Park checks when they made fun of gays, Christians, Native Americans, cripples…but when they came for Scientology it was wrong. Chris (and the commenters) have said a lot of things that could/have be deemed offensive to a lot of people, and he has said shit that could be offensive to women in general before. Shit, Shabooty’s mere existace puts my ovaries in a sling. I understand why this post may have failed to make your faves list, but I have no clue why it upset you so. Especially since you and I share a lot of the same feminist values. To each her own, I suppose.

Dustin- we’re gonna meet soon???? Do you see the future? Or are you outside my window? If so, can you see through my blinds? Cause I be getting dressed in the living room and that might be why the Bloods are so nice to me, despite my Crip-colored car. Look forward to meeting you either way! I am partying in SoHo tonight. I’ll be the one with the breasts and the dreads. Buy me a drank!

18 05 2008
Sister Toldja

I had a rabbit. Two actually. Broke both of them bitches. One hundred dollars gone, and alls I did was drop them. I don’t spend a lot of money on toys any more, I don’t need the bells and whistles, just give me some high speed motion. When they make one that cuddles afterwards, I may be willing to invest a little more.

18 05 2008
Angry IV

“Anmarie- it’s kinda like the Issac Hayes thing. He was cool spending his South Park checks when they made fun of gays, Christians, Native Americans, cripples…but when they came for Scientology it was wrong.”

Yeah, but one incident is all it takes – if the only thing I cared about was chocolate milk, and someone made fun of it, I’d be pissed.

“I had a rabbit. Two actually. Broke both of them bitches. One hundred dollars gone, and alls I did was drop them. I don’t spend a lot of money on toys any more, I don’t need the bells and whistles, just give me some high speed motion. When they make one that cuddles afterwards, I may be willing to invest a little more.”

Spend money on toys, lol…what about just getting some real meat? Grade A, Premium, Heavyweight Champion of the World, Medieval Broadsword swinging, USDA Approved, No Preservatives, No Sugar Added, All Natural, Imported, 100% Not From Concentrate dick?

18 05 2008
zoso

“Spend money on toys, lol…what about just getting some real meat? Grade A, Premium, Heavyweight Champion of the World, Medieval Broadsword swinging, USDA Approved, No Preservatives, No Sugar Added, All Natural, Imported, 100% Not From Concentrate dick?”

Nice ad campaign.

18 05 2008
Angry IV

zoso – I’m spoken for, sorry 😉

18 05 2008
Anmarie

***Not Blonde, I was soooo not talking to you like that, at all, I was talking to Muse who was coming at me all crazy, when she’s on the board yapping all the time. Nope never meant you any disrespect. ***

Muse, lol at the teeth comment. See you’re spending energy too huh? What are you gonna do reach out and touch me? Go head tough guy. Anyway you gave it and got it back, HYPOCRITE. My bullet gets the job done just fine, but thanks for the suggestion lovemuffin.

“Yeah, but one incident is all it takes – if the only thing I cared about was chocolate milk, and someone made fun of it, I’d be pissed”

-Or it’s kindda like hearing it all the time, anyway this is not the first time I’ve ranted about something, really don’t understand why you keep saying that, within my first week of reading this blog I got pissed about some stuff. Angry, back then ver. 3.2 Beta, should remember me coming to DC to kick him and Chris in the knee caps. In anycase this topic is old.

“Grade A, Premium, Heavyweight Champion of the World, Medieval Broadsword swinging, USDA Approved, No Preservatives, No Sugar Added, All Natural, Imported, 100% Not From Concentrate dick?”

LOL! I’ve got some emergency supplies of this too. 😀

Prince Caspian was great.

18 05 2008
Sister Toldja

LOL @ Angry! Comparing what you described to a battery-opperated-boo is like comparing say, melons to apples. Apples are readily availible, taste usually the same and are satisfying in a very tame and unexciting way. Where as melons aren’t always easy to find (especially certain times of the year or in certain locales), and what looks beautiful on the outside may end up being some unsatisfying sour tasting crap. Or vice versa. So while I’d rather have a good sweet watermelon any day, I also appreciate and need the apples in my diet. One a day for good health! 😉

18 05 2008
Lolo

@ Anmarie
Wha? I was attempting to convey some relief at not being the only person who can get a button pushed straight to nuclear! Honestly, half the interest of this site is the passion and rage that Chris provokes.

18 05 2008
Monie

This blog is really a chatroom in disguise. (lol)

18 05 2008
Angry IV

I just love titties. Anyone else love titties?

18 05 2008
Shine

I like mine

18 05 2008
Muse

Anmarie the only person sounding crazy is you. I made a sly comment which was actually intended as a joke but you went off the handle. PMS much? And no I’m not going to reach out and touch you. I don’t find it necessary at 25 to beat on up on random bitches. I’m beyond that.

If you do go around mouthing off to people and being disrespectful then don’t be surprised if someone flashes on your ass one day. Then again you have bullets little thug muffin so maybe you don’t need my advice. I hope that as a lady you don’t go around speaking to people in such a disrespectful manner. In fact I highly doubt you would ever speak to me or anyone else in person that way. The net tends to make folks a little on the brave side. Then again you might be the product of bad upbringing so who knows.

BTW I am not a hypocrite. I’ve had disagreements with other folks on this blog before and I’m sure I will in the future. The difference between them and you is that they didn’t fly off the handle. Now I’m starting to think you have severe emotional issues.

18 05 2008
Sister Toldja

Viva la titties!

18 05 2008
Sister Toldja

So long as they don’t belong to a man.

18 05 2008
Angry IV

Man breasts are not attractive. I happen to have a partner that’s sporting D cups on a 115lb frame. I love it.

Muse – relax. Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded 😉

18 05 2008
zoso

@ Angry
Haha. I wasn’t trying to holla at you. I do appreciate the confidence though 😉

18 05 2008
Shine

Angry, do you show the titties the appreciation they deserve? If you’re getting hit in the face with some that means put them in your mouth, grab a nipple, damnit do something. Just a PSA

18 05 2008
NotBlonde

HAHAHAHA@ Shine.

@Angry I love titties. Mine are fabulous. 😉

18 05 2008
Shine

My week as queen of the gutter mind is almost up. I gotta get it in where I can fit it in. 🙂

18 05 2008
boot

If gays are so hard to get? why did HIV AIDS spread like crazy amongst them? They must have been having lots of sex with each other! In any case, it is pretty well known that the gay lifestyle is a pretty promiscuous one…… so what the hell are you talking about? why don’t you come out of the closet already!

18 05 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

“why don’t you come out of the closet already!”

Because I have no interest in dating you.

18 05 2008
boot

faggots are disgusting

18 05 2008
Angry IV

Shine, NotBlonde! I’ve got no complaints so far…I found that sometimes just giving them a nice, lotioned massage works wonders. Don’t even touch the nipples, get ’em goin!

And for the record, I enjoy having them in my mouth. A Lot. 😀

18 05 2008
Angry IV

Tittie Picture Donation Box

Accepting all donations, lol.

18 05 2008
boot

You could always date one of your beloved homusexuals… couldn,t you? You Americans have been so brainwashed by the powerful Gay Lobby that you now want to advocate marriage for same sex couples! whats next? man and dog? how about brother and sister??

18 05 2008
Angry IV

And yes, those pictures will remain private when donated!

18 05 2008
NotBlonde

LOL Angry. My fabulous breasts are only donated to reputable sources. 😉

18 05 2008
Angry IV

boot, dude…please don’t try and bring that foreign/European “Holier Than Thou” attitude here, unless you don’t value the diameter of your anus. Cuz it’ll get stretched here by the intellectual raping you’ll receive.

18 05 2008
Angry IV

NotBlonde – how much more reputable do I need to be! The Avid Breast Lovers’ Code states “Thou Shalt Not Share Donated Pictures.”

18 05 2008
Sister Toldja

Boot- we already saw how the brother-sister dating thing worked out when you were born, so I doubt the marriage laws are gonna bend to allow that. You better get out the library and get yer’ ass home before it gets dark. Aunt Mom is gonna have a FIT if you miss her Spam marshmellow peanut better meatloaf again.

18 05 2008
NotBlonde

Boot dear,

No one thinks that letting gay people get married will lead to people marrying their dogs or sisters or brothers. We have laws against incest because it causes birth defects among other things (insanity). People can’t marry a dog or other animal because it is not a man or a woman. It’s a dog. So please, kindly go slide back under your rock.

18 05 2008
Shine

I think NotBlonde (and the other potential donors) need some sort of ironclad gurantee no donations will go to the shabooty.com fund.

18 05 2008
Shine

I’m pretty sure he’s part of the ABL guild

18 05 2008
Angry IV

Well what do I need to do to provide guarantee?

18 05 2008
Angry IV

Oh no ma’am, he is not.

18 05 2008
NotBlonde

Angry IV: Lol. I’m afraid I don’t recognize The Avid Breast Lover’s Code as reputable as it clearly states in The Avid Breast Withholder’s Code: Thou Shalt Not Share Ones Fabulous Breasts With Internet Folk. 🙂

18 05 2008
Shine

The ABW guild does have strict rules about photography and use of webcams. It also unfortunately frowns upon ‘wardrobe malfunctions’ in public as well. Luckily because of the avid breast part it does allow for all sorts of private fun and encourages decorations of said breasts.

18 05 2008
rai

did he just blame AIDS on the gays????? what the fawk is this 1982??????

but anywho, good titties are smooth perky even colored titties with symmetrical nipples. . . until I had seen other titties, I didn’t know how amazing mine were lol

18 05 2008
Muse

Eh sometimes big boobs are overrated and can be a pain in the ass.

18 05 2008
Angry IV

LOL – that’s a good one! Hey, shameless as it was, you can’t blame me for making an attempt to view some apparently fabulous mammaries!

18 05 2008
Shine

Plus I believe for such a donation some sort of tribute is required. In certain areas of the country, it is traditional to barter in shiny objects. In Louisiana, I believe simple beads are acceptable, I hear in LA only diamonds.

18 05 2008
Angry IV

Muse – big boobs = NEVER overrated…unless they’re big and fake.

18 05 2008
NotBlonde

@ Shine. Yes, you are correct about the ABW and our members are also fully expected to wear bras at all times. even to bed and bikinis in the shower, unless they have a reputable person in their life who they so choose to not withhold their breasts from.

18 05 2008
Knatural

Large boobage is cumbersome, sweaty, and will only sag that much more once you hit 30. AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
[joke]

18 05 2008
Muse

Yeah big perky boobs are fun to play with and look at but when it comes to shopping sometimes finding the perfect top without having titties all over the place is a pain in the ass.

18 05 2008
Shine

Yes, its sometimes quite difficult to get them past the ABW’s stringent requirements. Also I must note that for a few years there the ABW did not catch up with technology and had forgotten to ban cameraphones. Was a bad time for the ABW. But I like their status on nipple shields and various breast flavor enhancements. I don;t like their support for the evil underwire lobby.

18 05 2008
Angry IV

@Muse, whilst shopping with my significant other I’ve found that she sometimes has a hard time finding tops, especially since she isn’t a big girl. If she buys a Small, boobs are everywhere. If she buys a Large, she looks like she’s swimming in fabric.

18 05 2008
Shine

Hell sometimes the titties need to aerate. Prevent the sweatiness knatural bemoans.

18 05 2008
rai

my mother told me to pick a graduation dress where “the cup doesn’t runneth over”. . . lol I told her I am not a piece of meat and that was disrespectful lol and i WOULD kill to have the size titties that I don’t need a bra for, what is that like a B or so??? shyt! or u go to buy a sundress and it has those little things in the bra part, like what the fawk are they there for??? and don’t even get me started on fawkin bathing suits. . .

18 05 2008
rai

i LOVE underwire. . . maybe I am just weird. No one I have ever met says that they like it. . . if my bra doesn’t have underwire I think I got HAD and they cheated me out of part of the bra lol

18 05 2008
Angry IV

The best flavor is natural, by the way 🙂

18 05 2008
NotBlonde

The ABW believes in fully supporting breasts and, therefore, fully supports the Underwire Lobby. We do not feel that Breasts Freed From Underwire Tyranny (BFFUT) have any valid points regarding the matter.

Oh and shopping for tops is a nightmare. I can’t wear anything without making sure the girls can be strapped in with minimal movement. Otherwise I look like a street hooker.

18 05 2008
Shine

Yea, damn bathing suits. Grrrrrrr. And any and all strapless sundresses. I feel like if I have to tape these suckers up it better be for a damn important picture taking day. Sorry was trying to keep it light and happy in the tittie parade but got distracted.

18 05 2008
Angry IV

The Donation Box also accepts fully clothed photographs for examination and study. ABL fully understands that the love of large breasteses is indeed a science, and much more research is needed.

Bonus points for chocolate, mocha, and caramel colored/flavored skintones.

18 05 2008
Knatural

Luckily, I don’t have to deal with sweatiness; I’m a 35b. So I do have the option of going braless. While shopping for tops, I rarely try them on. My only shopping difficulty is pants (I’m short and have most bottoms hemmed). A good tailor is a godsend!

18 05 2008
Shine

I think I have made enemies in the underwire lobby because I constantly get boobytrapped (ha!) bras and have narrowly avoided many near death experiences of getting stabbed in the heart (or ampit). The plastic ones are better. Yea though I think they are also much like the oil lobby, in that they are impeding scientific development in the field of breast support. I mean seriously, what the fuck are we doing with metal in our underwear!* There’s got to be a better way.

*Also how I knew a man created underwire, who the fuck thinks that metal in underwear is a good idea?

18 05 2008
Shine

Oh so you have tasted the cocoa flavored breast enhancements and still prefer natural. A connosieur. (sp?)

18 05 2008
Angry IV

Also, I figured to make the sharing fair, I included a picture of my package.

18 05 2008
NotBlonde

They make plastic underwires?

18 05 2008
Shine

See you guys are going to get me mad about the pants lobby too. I’m tall and can’t hem my pants down. Grrrr.

18 05 2008
rai

chocolate??? IN THERE!!!!!!! 9\(and it was said first, TAKE THAT HUSSIES!!!!! lol)

now, I am 6’0 & fat. . . I called myself goin to torrid to buy this strapless sundress. i looked like a WHORE!!!!! lol just plain nasty. To keep the girls in, I had to pull the dress up leavin my ass exposed. to cover my tail, I had to pull the dress down puttin the twins on blast. . . shyt is ABSURD!!!! Im plus size, how can a PLUS SIZE store not have a goddamn dress that covers my whole SIZE PLUS my titties PLUS my ass??? if you catch a big fat darkskin chick walking naked thru the streets of college park, just know that is me! lol I can’t ever find shyt to wear, so I am going commando lol

18 05 2008
Knatural

awwww Angry….it’s so cute and little!

18 05 2008
Shine

Yes, but they also dislike me and have tried to stab me as well. But they hurt significantly less when stabbed, and are less likely to stab. They only attack if mistreated. Plus they retain their curve better(no bending in the wash-and yes i’m lazy and throw my bras in the machine. fuck it. No clothes get special treatment).

18 05 2008
Angry IV

Excellent spelling, and yes – natural flavored breasts turn me on the most….well, and assorted Hershey’s syrups can make the game really fun.

18 05 2008
rai

whoa whoa whoa. . . complaining because u have to HEM your pants???? allow me to explain, it is a LOT easier to make pants shorter than it is to make them longer!!!! lol if your pants are too long, u can just cuff or get them hemmed. if my pants are too short, I have to change my fawkin outfit and throw them away

18 05 2008
Angry IV

@Knatural – eF you! 🙂

18 05 2008
Shine

Do you put a bow on it for your 115 D? 😉
Rai-chocolate is on there, not in there -check sephora for their flavored body powder. Most the porn stores only carry strawberry for the strawberry colored folk.

18 05 2008
Angry IV

Oh and I took it upon myself to click on Muse’s name and do the whole add bit – anyone else who’s a MySpacer can do the same with my name now…I finally figured it out.

18 05 2008
rai

i have broken many a plastic underwire in my day. . . because I don’t feel it stabbin me and it bends i forget that it is in there. . . now I am in a tank top running down the beach, next thing I hear a crack and now i have TWO pieces of plastic diggin into my skin, on under the arm and the other in the center of my underboob

18 05 2008
Shine

The best thing about the flavoring is its almost the exact same color as my (notatall)twins and adds just a little sparkle so its a pleasant surprise for Mister

18 05 2008
rai

lol! shine. . . no, I meant “in there”. as in “gettin it in”, kinda like the exclusive club, we “in there”? oh man fawk it. . . it just means, yeah I am excited lol

18 05 2008
rai

and I am single. . . ill buy the powder when I get someone to wear it for. . . times are hard right now. food, gas, & clothes are all I can afford, no room for sexy powders unless I take out a loan lol

18 05 2008
Shine

Obviously you’ve pissed off the powerful underwire lobby too. They sent you those assassin bras

I keep thinking of friending people here on facebook but then I remember I only use facebook to stalk people and place bets on my dragon when I get the urge to gamble.

18 05 2008
Shine

Oh sorry, didn’t read that right. Yea, actually I had a friend purchase it for me well before I needed it. But then again, most of my friends get and give presents from various porn stores. My most popular present received was the big book of filth and Naked men in oven mitts magnets. The best given were the dancing cucumber vibrator (given at age 15 to a girl in front of her parents) and gummi penii. Tasty and fun in that if you lick the back of them you can stick them to people car windows and mirrors in the parking gargage at Tysons’s Corner… not that I would do that of course.

18 05 2008
NotBlonde

Which company makes them because I have more than once been stabbed with a metal wire and my goodness does that hurt like a bitch.

18 05 2008
Shine

I did join the facebook group stuffblackpeoplehate but that was just to help advertise this site.

18 05 2008
Shine

And don’t that shit always happen in public! And you can’t just in the middle of class or the subway or work, reach into glory and rip that joker out. And then you have one unsupported booby which needs extra support at this time because its injured. Plus you look weird even if you manage to get that wire out because the rest of the day you look like your fondling yourself b.c. you got a booboo on your booby.

18 05 2008
Angry IV

Who else here agrees that the most dangerous/provocative part of the female body is, either in bra, swimsuit, or tanktop, the SIDEBOOB? Sideboob makes me hot under the collar all the time.

18 05 2008
Shine

lol, who else here used to call that roll of fat you see squeezing out under someones armpit in a bra thats too small a sideboob. 🙂

18 05 2008
Angry IV

Oh I’m on facebook as well, but you’ll have to add me on myspace for me to share my real name.

18 05 2008
Angry IV

Take that back – I’ll just join the facebook group.

Ahhhh….sideboob. The misses will be home from work soon…can’t wait.

18 05 2008
Shine

Misses? How many chics you got Angry?

18 05 2008
Knatural

Shine, that’s called pit-fat. And yes, side boob is dangerous. Bikinis always allow for side boob and cheekage.

18 05 2008
Knatural

But side boob is sexiest when accompanied by smooth armpits. Furry pits make side boob sad 😦

18 05 2008
Angry IV

Shine – oops. Missus. Only one! I’ve never been a player in my life, despite my “playeristic tendencies” to quote a female that dumped me.

18 05 2008
Shine

Yea, me and my friends started calling it sideboobs in high school. Then in college we were educated about what real side boobage is. And this is why all swimsuits are dangerous. Which just leads me back to my anger with bathingsuits

18 05 2008
anon

@ Not Blonde, it’s obvious that you cannot tolerate a different opinion…. I feel sorry for you cos you have no life, You need to educate yourself and fyi constatant or exclusive anal sex can lead to a lot od health problems as well!
You need to expose yourself a little, travel see the world, maybe that will enlighten you somewhat. stupid dimwit!

18 05 2008
NotBlonde

Who is this anon person and why are they all UP IN my business?

18 05 2008
NotBlonde

Oh, and if you are a C and above, there is no avoiding the side boob in bathing suits. It just can’t be done. dammit.

18 05 2008
Shine

I’m going to assume that anon is a spy from the metal underwire branch of the EUL. They don’t like converts or innovation NotBlonde, thats why you don’t see so much of the plastic underwire.

18 05 2008
Angry IV

I love big boobs in bathing suits. It’s right on the cusp of nudity, especially if you can see nipple!

18 05 2008
Shine

That is why swimsuits make Angry so happy. He’s texting his girl right now asking her to buy a new bikini on the way home.

18 05 2008
Shine

Why is the cusp of nudity so much sexier than actual nudity?

18 05 2008
Angry IV

imagination!

18 05 2008
Muse

Try Shoshanna’s swear wear. She makes the best suits for girls with big boobs!
http://www.shoshanna.com/

18 05 2008
Muse

Um I meant to say swim wear….

18 05 2008
Knatural

How did you ladies deal during puberty? I started to ‘bud’ around 10 yrs old and it was torturous.
And us B-cups get side boob, too. It’s just the nature of swimsuits to be cut that way.

18 05 2008
NotBlonde

Knatural, I started around 10 and never stopped. These damn things are still growing-to the point where I thought perhaps I was preggo. Thank Jesus I’m not, but I’m 22-12 years and the girls haven’t let up.

Puberty was a nightmare for me. I had C-sized boobs when I was 13. I got called a whore by other girls simply because I had big boobs and adult males hit on me all the time. Said all kinds of inappropriate shit that no 13 year old should hear.

And I do believe that anon was a plant by the underwire lobby, which the ABW officially no longer supports. Damn them and their commie spies!

18 05 2008
Shine

I was a tomboy. In fact I remember 5th grade when I had to start wearing a bra (and every other girl too) and it was an entire year of bra snapping. Not a single boy snapped any bra. It was all evil girl on girl action. As soon as someone told me about sex in like the 3rd grade I was a guttermind though. I was already a cusser so I was foulmouthed and foulminded. But I grew up devoid of handsome black men so I wasn’t tempted. I only remembered my boobs when I would play sports and had to find a way of taping those puppies down so I could run. I wasn’t the worst though. I knew a girl who had to quit the team b.c. her titties were too big. No bra was going to keep her from dribbling up and down the court without a ball.

18 05 2008
{kay}

lmao – this is so true. i’ve often wondered the same things myself – why the hell does the ugliest dude have the worst case of homophobia??!?! he’s always saying how if a guy tries anything this and that will happen – in my head i’m thinking “dude, you’re the freakin’ ugliest guy! why would HE want YOU?”
lol

18 05 2008
Muse

knatural I actually had NO boobs until Jr. year of high school. Before then my boobs were as flat as my back. Then out of nowhere I started growing. I went from an A cup to a C cup within 15 months. When I got to college I was a 34 C and by the end of college I was a 34D. Currently I’m a 36 D.

18 05 2008
Shine

I should also mention that I was oblivious to all politics and gossip in middle school and high school. I was segregated from black folk and hated the white folk that surrounded me so I didn’t have to listen to foul rumors(about my boobs or sexuality at least), boys hitting on me of much inappropriate shit and I didn’t hang with any of the many in crowds (nor did I want to) so I didn’t land on anyone bitchdar.

18 05 2008
Shine

Yea I started in 5th grade and those jokers got to be a C cup in early high school but I swear they kept growing through college. I thought as soon as I stopped growing in height and shoe size those puppies would stay still. I was buying bras wayyy to small due to this mindset. Found out I’m mostlty a D now but I have issues with assymetry that makes me not trust measurements.

18 05 2008
Knatural

Ugh, I remember the bra-snapping. Little girls are the cruelest creatures on this planet.
Muse – you have mutant boobs.

18 05 2008
Shine

Now that I think of it, I think I grew up in an area where the girls just weren’t that girly. Probably the military influence.

18 05 2008
Shine

BTW knatural you see what you started. You turned a nice conversation about boobage and sideboobs into one about puberty. Probably scared half the people and all of the men off the site now. 🙂

18 05 2008
Muse

Nah I’m just a late bloomer. I didn’t even get my monthly cycle until I was 16 years old.

I know I know TMI.

19 05 2008
Knatural

wow 16! Late bloomer indeed. I guess your body was playing catch-up.
And puberty sucked for everybody, not just girls, the fellas don’t have to be scared to chime in. Look, I had braces for four yrs, glasses, and stringy perm, and liked rock music! I didn’t get “pretty” until 11th grade, and even the is was debatable LOL

19 05 2008
Knatural

*then it was debatable
I need a snack

19 05 2008
NotBlonde

Muse-wow not until you were 16? You probably did the come back from summer with boobs thing.

Mine are mutants; I lose weight and they got BIGGER. I was a 36D and lost 15 pounds when I came to college (I lost my freshman 15 and looked like a holocaust victim) and they went to a 34DD. I gained the weight back and then lost it again and now my boobs are a 32F. How the hell does that happen? It’s like they are mocking me: hee hee, you can lose weight but we’ll aaaaalways be here.

19 05 2008
Shine

NotBlonde, you didn’t lose weight. All your weight ran and hid in your flotation devices. Which as everyone knows, actually decrease your weight. Mo’nique should get some.

19 05 2008
NotBlonde

HAHAHAHHA. Damn Mo’Nique is like, 300 pounds and she’s got NO TITS. What is up with that?

19 05 2008
NotBlonde

And Chris, you’ve got to start hating on Sundays. I’m at work at bored to tears.

19 05 2008
NotBlonde

*and bored

19 05 2008
Angry IV

NotBlonde, some sort of photographic evidence is a must.

19 05 2008
Knatural

32F? ooooookkkkkkaaaaayyy. Sag city LOL.

19 05 2008
zoso

(batman music) da na na na na na mutant boobs!

19 05 2008
NotBlonde

Lol. Thankfully they don’t sag, I’ve had them in boob holsters since I was about 12. If you’d like photographic evidence you may friend me on facebook. Althought I’m not sure how to do that…

19 05 2008
Muse

Not Blonde I don’t envy you at all. How is it possible that your breast don’t sag? It sound like you have a narrow rib cage so how are you holding those suckers up? Are you in constant pain? Do you plan on getting a reduction? Do you have to get your bras special made? Most places don’t even carry F…let alone 32 F? Geez…Let me know if you want some motrin for the back pain you have to be in….

Size F…damn

http://www.barenecessities.com/search.asp?search=F+bra&cm_mmc=GLSR-_-F%20bra-_-BraSizes-_-A&source=GoogleA&term=BraSizes&keyword=F%20bra&LID=43966125

Nevermind they do make F cups…Geez

19 05 2008
CandyPaintDrippin

I COME for shabooty comments….out of this world

And THANK YOU Roger for coming with the eloquence- word of the day verboten….

19 05 2008
NotBlonde

As for back problems, when my doctor realized that I was fairly small with fairly large boobs, she had me start doing back strengthening exercises and that helped. I’m 30″ around the ribs which is teeny weeny for this large of boobages. They didn’t like, sprout practially overnight like yours Muse so I’ve gotten used to them over time.

Now when I say they don’t sag I don’t mean they are up near my face, I’m just saying they aren’t National Geographic flat boobies with nipples pointed toward the ground. Both my sisters have big boobs and small frames as well. We’re an odd family of chicks.

I’m not in constant pain although I do wear bras to bed because they hurt in the morning if I don’t. I’ve thought about getting a reduction but I’d rather wait under after I have kids so as not to interrupt any kind of breast feeding I might end up doing. No, I don’t get bras special made; they actually sell quite a few different brands and Nordstrom that have 32F sizes. They are expensive though.

I’m going to work out over summer and hopefully get these suckers down to a manageable size again.

19 05 2008
Sister Toldja

You guys are a mess, I am in such good company. I have to stay up and cook for a work potluck, please continue to entertain me!

I can’t catch up on all these comments (because I have other important things to do, such as return emails and read hellkitty.com, which I was sadly introduced to today). But from what I scanned….

rai- Why do you keep calling yourself fat? 😦 Are you that big? Or just fat by comparison to the skinny girls? Just curious. My sister got a banging outfit from Torrid last month, I don’t think I have ever been there though. I don’t think most companies accomodate large breasts in clothes. I tried on some dresses yesterday in Old Navy (bastion of high fashion that they are, lol). There was a really pretty frock that I woulda bought, but I would have needed a L dress with the top of an XXL dress attached. If I am wearing an L dress, I probably do not wear a 36A bra. Who are these big flat chested women who they are making these joints for????

Angry- I am friending you on the Myspace, even though it is weird seeing your girl in the profile pic with you already knowing her bra size! LOL.

NotBlonde- My breasts never seemed to have stopped growing either, until recently. With some fluctuation, I was pretty much the same dress size for most of college, but I went up a bra size it seemed every 18 months or so since high school. In 8th grade, I was a 36A. By sophomore year in HS was a 36D and they kept growing. My biggest bra ever was a 40F (which was from Fredricks, so who’s to say how accurate that was), but I wore a 42DD for a long time. Now I wear the virtually impossible to find 38DDD. I am hoping to eventually land at a 36DD, like in the goold old days.

19 05 2008
NotBlonde

Jeepers. 38DDD is like the most annoying size to find. Mostly because bra companies don’t like to make everything the same size in every style. There should be some kind of regulatory system for that. I just bought a new 32F bra and had tried on a 34D and my boobs were drowning in it. Hopefully you’ll get back to your 36DD :).

I’ll probably end up with some kind of bizarre size that they just don’t sell, i.e. a 30DD. I guess people think that if you are really big on top you must be fairly large around the middle. Is 30″ freakishly small for a rib cage measurement?

19 05 2008
shabooty

Let’s see.. I got one cunty’s ovaries twisted in a vice-grip
and i got a sole sane soul sayin they come for the shabooty comments.
Guess which one I’d wanna take out on the deck of the Norwegian Dawn in Bermuda?

sigh…I’m just pissy that i asked someone the rhetorical question of if i should go get tacobell drive thru right now and they said “I hate taco bell and I’ve had weird experiences at taco bell” …fuck. why do I ever get a woman’s input ever -even if for rhetorical purposes?
sorry, I get sexist on an empty stomach. and I’ve had the bypass surgery for any political correctness.

19 05 2008
Angry IV

Fredericks is not accurate. Their sizes tend to run small. 😉

19 05 2008
Shine

Hmm I don’t know about those big girl clothes. In regular stores when you get higher up in sizes it is like they just made them for flat chested people. But I used to have to do the Lane Bryant/Ashley Stewart gig (luckily in only the smallest sizes) and those 2 bitches pissed me off b.c. they either had the flat chested shirts or most of them had so much air in the top half of the shirts that I had 2 flags pinned to my collar. And I’m a healthy 40D* which means they were hoping NotBlonde gained a whole bunch of weight so they could dress her. Oh and 30 is ridiculously small ribcage to be carrying those gallon size milk juggs on honey. I immediately felt vicarious back pain when you said that. I’ve never had to wear a bra to bed and I was wondering why you mentioned that tenet in the ABW guild but I figured I was exempt (i’m a bad member anyway)

*Actually I though I had some healthy ones until I saw you ladies are trying to feed the nation out here with these incrediracks you’re toting.

19 05 2008
Shine

@ NotBlonde, join the facebook group for this site. then we can all figure out who you are. In fact more people should join that group so we can all play guessing games as to who is actually who on this site.

Ok you can tell I need a lot of distraction from my work.

19 05 2008
blackberry molasses

Are we doing a boobie roll call in here? Perky and chocolatey 42 DD checkin in! I too feel the pain of buying shirts and dresses that are 1-2 sizes too big just so that they will fit my ‘pillows’ (as my hubby refers to them). Thank the Lord for good tailors!

19 05 2008
Anmarie

I just read these comments, late of course. This turning into a breast discussion complete with a donation box is hilarious.

Hey Lolo I know all about the nuclear botton, but what can you do about thinking to much. Yeah don’t feel bad there are many of us in the world.

Muse I kindda like being called a thug muffin, it’s kindda sweet and sick at the same time. I think I’m gonna start talking about myself in third person, saying things like “You know thug muffin, don’t like dogs licking her face”. “thug muffin need a nap”. Nice thanks 😀 Don’t try to take it back I’m keeping it.

Peaches beaches

19 05 2008
NotBlonde

For those of you who were curious about my breast to ribcage ratio, i’ve joined the facebook group so you may now see my fabulousness.

19 05 2008
Merri Lee

As a certified member of the itty bitty committee, I’m glad i don’t have to shop for this

20 05 2008
mrspen

shabooty, i don’t understand you but boy do i love your comments.

this whole comments wall left me dizzy. being a 38D y’all have my sympathy. ESPECIALLY notblonde. damn. 32F? damn.

22 05 2008
justelise

I think the exact opposite of this article is the real truth, unfortunately. As a black woman having grown up in the black community, I can say without any hesitation that homophobia is out of control in the black community, especially among black males. When you delve into the black Caribbean population, it’s exponentially worse. Anti-gay sentiment and slurs are commonplace in the speech and music, and I don’t think enough black parents are going out of their way to teach their children any better, or correct offensive behavior. I think it only gets worse at the HBCs and in black churches, and I’ve rarely met a straight black male who wasn’t a complete and utter homophobe. I grew up in NYC (which is pretty gay friendly), and lived in Pennsylvania, Florida, and North Carolina, and it’s the same all over. If you don’t agree, go back to when Isaiah Washington opened up his big mouth on the set of Grey’s Anatomy and equated being gay with being weak (I’m not going to quote him because that horse was ridden to death already). He was so ignorant of his own homophobia, he didn’t understand that what he said was offensive. Furthermore, during that period of time, a lot of black people came out to defend him — an indication that they were also ignorant of their own homophobia.

I would also like to add that I find the fact that you describe your heterosexuality as unblemished a direct indication of your own homophobia. At that point, it’s clear that you’re talking out of both sides of your mouth.

22 05 2008
Sister Toldja

*sigh*

22 05 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

justelise,

I fail to see how prefacing a sexually ambiguous statement with a clarification of my sexual orientation qualifies as homophobic.

Please get a clue.

22 05 2008
justelise

I fail to see how prefacing a sexually ambiguous statement with a clarification of my sexual orientation qualifies as homophobic.

Please get a clue.

I understand that this is a satire, and it’s meant to be comic, but you go out of the way to explain how you have family that are gay (showing support), and quickly in the next paragraph turn it around to draw a line in the sand about how you’re absolutely positively not homosexual (heaven forbid it was misconstrued). It’s just the back and forth of the way you wrote the post that marks that particular section of it as hypocritical even if it was meant to be amusing. You should be aware of the dichotomy of those two sentiments, especially considering how they were written so closely together. I don’t need a clue, but you do need to be aware you created that little bit of hypocrisy within the post all by yourself.

22 05 2008
stuffblackpeoplehate

I repeat: Homophobia is not the same thing as a contextual clarification of one’s own sexual preference.

This clarification was not made because I’m afraid people will think I’m gay – it was made to indicate my ‘outsider’ perspective on the statement made immediately after it. There is no hypocrisy in that, and an overwhelming majority of people on this board understood that, including just about all the gays who offer comments. You and the small minority of people trying to sound ‘deep’, or fishing for reasons whine, did not.

Of course, I could’ve explained this in the post – but I didn’t. I’m not going to alter my posts to assuage the bleeding hearts of the politically correct.

22 05 2008
justelise

This clarification was not made because I’m afraid people will think I’m gay – it was made to indicate my ‘outsider’ perspective on the statement made immediately after it. There is no hypocrisy in that, and an overwhelming majority of people on this board understood that, including just about all the gays who offer comments. You and the small minority of people trying to sound ‘deep’, or fishing for reasons whine, did not.

Of course, I could’ve explained this in the post – but I didn’t. I’m not going to alter my posts to assuage the bleeding hearts of the politically correct.

No one asked you to alter anything. You shouldn’t put words into people’s mouths. Furthermore, had you written something like “Speaking from my limited exposure to the homosexual lifestyle…” rather than “Speaking from a record of unblemished heterosexuality,” it could’ve accomplished the same thing, established that your limited experience doesn’t make you an authority on the subject, and not had a negative undercurrent. Just because other people read it and chose not to comment on it does not mean they didn’t read it the same way. I’ve noticed that a lot of people have been beaten down in the comments on various posts on this blog, and they may feel that it would be moot to express an opinion.

My overwhelming point is that the writing style of that section of the post did not support the overwhelming tone of it.

22 05 2008
Shine

Are you serious?

22 05 2008
Shine

Why are you going from post to post on this free form of entertainment to say that you ‘understand this is satire’ which you clearly don’t because you’re getting so serious about small stuff to critique about each post. Where are you going next and why are you doing this?

22 05 2008
Sylph

Shine: breathe. I think I know the answer.

What is “I want people to come check out my site and take me seriously since I have nothing else to do”, Alex?

I’ll take “More annoying posts for Chris to deal with” for $200, please.

23 05 2008
Shine

I was just confused why she was all over this site doing this. I decided she was trying to flirt with chris by saying some ridiculotiae that she hoped he would respond to.

4 07 2008
Nick

I like most types of breasts, although I’m coming to the conclusion that a decent handful of breastage is just right for me. Not too big, not too small, just right. 🙂

And what’s a thugmuffin?

2 01 2009
mike

i can’t explain how accurate this post is. thanks, man, i loved it.

6 06 2009
Craig

Love the article! You are SO right, speaking as a gay man. About lesbians, though: I used to train student truck drivers over the road. I had a nice 22 year old once, and every few days he’d pull up at a light, he’d look down, and say something like “Oh my God! Look at that! She’s beautiful! That’s my next wife!” …

I’d politely look over, and say, “Um, see that rainbow stripe in the window … she’s a lesbian.” NO!

We did this every few days for four weeks. He never once picked a straight woman, or at least someone that didn’t have an HRC equality logo, rainbow license plate holder, or some other obvious gay symbol on their car. He told me on the last day he was on my truck, “You know, I’ve only had one date.” Ah. I can tell you why!

7 06 2009
marilyn

LOVED this article, even though the middle segment was a bit sexist and stereotyped. ;>)
You have a terrific sense of humor, and a penchant for writing as well,
Looking forward to more of your stuff!

26 06 2009
Justin

Oh my god! I officially love you for saying this! Being a gay male, I get this a lot! I’ll start hanging out with a girlfriend and her boyfriend will start freaking out. Later I hear from her, “He’s afraid you’re going to hit on him or something.” Like I’m interested in him! It’s clear he’s with a girl, most of the time they’re not my type and to finish, I don’t like offending straight dudes!

I only go after guys I know are gay. I have asked before, and this is also not a reason to get upset! When guys are asked if they’re gay, they see this as an insult to their masculinity, instead of what it really is…a compliment to their attractiveness!

In ending, Thanks! This article speaks the truth!

30 06 2009
Kodi

Two-spirit is a name that many Native Americans use to describe Transsexuals. As in they have two spirits in them. Not a gay male.

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